You're listening to the Wisps wasatch in wasatch investigative studies wasatch investigative studies a paranormal science show which apparently is got another acronym for a supernatural hour of what why you doing this to me man this is my radio voice go to you from castles basement where spin in wax and play the tracks welcome to the list show that's a that's just a small taste of the nonsense that goes on before we actually start recording we're now D.D.B. and D.D.B. coming out your lurch that would actually be incorrect that would be D.J. and the slub wasper D.D.B.
and we also have lurch with us as the and who and as always silent dawn it is been a louder way louder way and hear you waves they can hear you on okay I'm so used to him not talking that I just lost over the fact that just kind of silently wave to just move on why did you buy him a mic I think he talks about all right anyway welcome to the wish show it has been an eventful two weeks since we are last recorded and just a heads up this show will probably be our last for a short period of time in my short period I mean probably about a month because I am going to be out of the night for a period and so likely we'll be back early July I did notice I did say but whole cancer you just did okay see he said for so he's going under the knife for a period I can I can feel D.N. already staring at me I next the phrase yeah we can say once I got my one large we're calling it ask cancer cancer cancer cancer the taint cancer is probably more accurate than ask cancer or okay let us not talk about the cancer anymore we'll be back in a month all right next I'm eating the gummy bears yeah I'll stop you gummy bears I can hear you chewing we got points out you're not chewing again why did that on purpose last time let me huff let me huff the gummy bear cut so lurch oh just to catch people up on sir goodness that was hot lurch between school and his new job quit his marathon training and put on about 40 pounds he looks like the Kool-Aid man like his buttons are crying for hey I'm coming back yeah I'm coming back I got the Saint George marathon coming up in October and six weeks later I'm doing a lot of space marathon I'm doing our time but hey in three months I'm gonna be felt again be back down my racing weight but because that he's on this weird caveman diet and so Dan brought gummy bears and lurch is like sweating from a slush I haven't had a soda in seven days I've had a sugar or zero or flour or rolling around on the floor looking himself in weird places so you're saying you don't want some of this delicious coconut I brought don't I'm not gonna lie to those dogs are disgusting I'll give my kids yeah the words coming out of his mouth and the look of the night no I will be shaking I'll kill some of the red bull right now he's going into compulsions I'm kind of feeling the angst actually honestly it as I mentioned before though it has been a busy two weeks since we last recorded I think we've had what four investigations different lot and just so people understand we actually do quite a few investigations I have the and had out the residential investigations I still do some and then a lot of I go to almost every single public investigation as a residential on the side excuse me I'm ripping the gummy bears pig it's better than chewing out like no wonder why you're fat before we get going let's just touch real quick on the indigo go when they do the surgery can they like do some liposuction on you too I was gonna ask if they do that I also have two bad knees I was hoping they just just knock out a lot of once they'll put me in like a plastic bubble to recover but yeah I think I got a couple 40 pounds ugly fat lop off a testi let's not go let's not get crazy so 40 pounds of ugly fat you're gonna get your whole face we done them and indigo again here we go as Dan keep us focused good luck we stop a little bit of time in our ego we're away from our goal goal but we're actually there's a hard goal in a soft goal our hard goal we've almost reached and so we'd like to think everybody who's contributed I know we've had a recent contribution from Becky and I told her we wouldn't use your last name anymore because she didn't want to interfere with her job for job I know she's probably just his first name for everybody yeah we probably should anyway thank you Becky we appreciate your contribution and then we there's some perks that we owe some people and we will be getting with you on those late July early August has I when snatched up the tennis love was where I'm surprised no one has cuz I don't be honest with you I would be all over that tennis love was I'm gonna throw in five bucks just for him to come over to my house I'm tempted to just to do it myself I'll donate five dollars and I go raid my own fridge when we're and when your folks complain you just show the perk leave me alone I hate this so with that being said if you have a few extra dollars rolling around in your wallet to your car we would greatly appreciate it we are very close to our soft goal check the kitchen's of the couch and so that should do that college so let's talk about investigations what do you at the end well um the two that we were going to mainly talk about I did not go on however I did do one residential recently it was a lady who not only negative activity but she just had weird feels and some of her daughters had kind of the weird feels so they called us over very very little activity this would have been an interesting one to have one of the brand news there to tell you know to kind of talk for I not talk for us but to kind of see what was going on there was a female that kind of messed with the k2 is a little tiny bit I think she was afraid of the male that's there and the male would not let us take his picture we did send some pictures to brandy because she wasn't able to be there and he dodged everyone he wasn't in any of them but the female was but I think she was afraid of him I think she was cowering because she was back in the corner of the washroom um so not a lot of physical activity but one of the investigators that went with us Nate um the very next day he sent me a an EVP and it's class one when you first listen to it it is backwards that's what I'm sorry um class A I'm tired I've just played back right now we talked about EVP we have we have a classification let's just touch on because it's been a long time it's been probably last year that we talked about their EVP classifications um for those who are not familiar with EVP classifications class a class A EVP is very clear but you know what maybe an episode will even go through in all places again just so people understand but class A is very very clear I mean there's no doubt that you're hearing what you're hearing class B are usually you can hear it but it's quieter or a little bit more difficult to understand C is the one that you kind of have to listen to and have three or four other people listen to and then you say oh it's saying this and then D I get a ton of D class D and D's are kind of like a just a little sigh or a little word that you can't quite make out yeah or even it can be a whole string of words but you can't make it out at all yeah it garbled or just so quiet and faint that you're not getting enough of it or even people talking over it but you can't right um and so I get a ton of class D but anyway so you got a good class A EVP very good class A EVP class A EVP that's one that was backwards and so he had to listen to it in reverse and when you listen to it in reverse clear as a bell the man's voice says he's me alone in a whisper which made sense because he just he wasn't playing with K2s he wasn't answering questions he wasn't anything but you know I could feel in there and next episode we're doing EVP classes we'll go ahead and we'll play that EVP yeah I should have been prepared to play it today but I was not so we shant well we're gonna talk about other stuff so yeah um anyway we didn't even cleanse the house because they they I mean like we don't know we aren't getting anything negative they only felt some negative back in the master bedroom closet but when we went back there there was a huge great big Wi-Fi cable back there which was just emitting tons of EMF and we said you know you're just creeped out by your internet and that's uh very common in investigations I shouldn't say very common but it's relatively common where once you go and investigate you determine what's there and that it's not necessarily something bad a lot of homeowners are okay just to kind of leave it alone they don't mess with it so Amy actually is the one that went back there and found it and she explained to him you know what it was and why it was given them the heebie-jeebies and sometimes all you need to know is just that that's what it is so yeah and for those who don't know high EMF can give you the heebie-jeebies I don't know why that is but you can feel high EMF and it feels very much like spirit energy and at the same token that kind of high EMF and location can actually track spirits because they can feed on it for lack of a better term so a lot of places that we found spirits in we can actually plot the K2 meter find a kind of concentration of EMF factors and apartment and arm that we investigated that the whole apartment on the K2 meter lit up the second or third led remember Dan I think it was going up to the third maybe the fourth I mean I don't think it was that high but it was between the second third led through the entire apartment and it was just really crappy unshielded wiring that made that apartment just thick with EMF and they had tons and tons of activity because it basically was attracting spirits to hang out there spirit smorgasbord yeah like the check around for spirits so do you guys have anything else on that missing? no it was it was really I mean it was interesting but not a whole lot of activity so one of the other investigations I went on I got contacted by Brandy B and she asked if I could go help her with a house cleansing my goodness Dan can you drink any louder? sorry that just like that and it was just one little mmm is that appropriate for the show?
at least it's not lip smacking and back to Brandy yes I quit she jumps on that where I make a cover absolutely here we go that's how she rolls I am the filter today she's napping fingers with me so I got contacted by Brandy B and she asked if there's some people who could help with the house cleansing and so I said yes I'd be going to usually if something's bad needs cleansing I'm I'm almost always good at those without exception so I volunteered to go Brandy aka peaches also went and then Kaden I think I mentioned Kaden before he's also a medium and just he was from this area moved out and just recently moved back and so Kaden decided to come as well and I'll tell you what I've never felt well like the dopey fat kid kind of in this particular house cleansing because it's me and three mediums and there's all these it's like when here's someone talking on the phone and you only hear one side of the conversation but it's like three people talking to something and I'm not only in half the conversation and for me it was kind of cool because it was legitimized the fact that they were able to do what they were doing because you could tell they're all on the same page for the most part and you know like they both turn or they all turn and look at the corner of the room and a lot's not nice why just say that you know and it was fascinating watching all three of them interacting with these spirits now the background on this particular home was there was a mom who there and who has some children in their early 20s late teens a lot of drug abuse going on in the house mom has been involved in some stuff that she probably shouldn't be involved in she's a very nice lady um been involved in some stuff she shouldn't be and they had several type three spirits in this particular home um several portals uh when the home was built uh well the home has been rebuilt three times because they keep burning down um I think that's a sign yeah well it is in fact the interesting part is the last time they rebuilt the home they got digging and they dug up several headstones um old headstones the poltergeist house it's exactly the poltergeist house so they dug up several headstones and they kind of crunched up the headstones and basically included them in the concrete I saw that's not gonna piss anything off exactly they use them in the concrete for the foundation and the shed out back and yeah there were just one of the abilities that peaches has and it's kind of cool and I think I've talked about it briefly on the show but she's able to feel whether there's human remains buried somewhere she can you know put her hand on the ground and she can kind of tell where they're at um you know but she basically pointed out there were several bodies that were buried there on the property um but we ended up going through a cleansing that house and come to find out that basically between the chopped up headstones uh between that the drug abuse some of the things that mom had been involved in there was a lot of bad juju going on in that house a lot of negative spirits a lot of type three spirits um and working with all three mediums it was interesting the cleansing process um now Caden is a little bit different than both brandies and how he does his medium stuff um some of the stuff he does is stuff that I don't necessarily recommend but um we've talked about brandy you know tooling off through the sprinklers uh at Fort Douglas and some of the instances that have happened her um Caden that kind of stuff happens to him as well but he has a I don't want to say there's nothing wrong with him using a Ouija board and burning black handles to contact uh the spirits. Caden doesn't do that Caden doesn't do that but like uh brandy he spirits and kind of mess with his gift a little bit and at one point during that investigation um you know he knew what was happening he goes I can feel canonicos or something I can do about it but he actually uh channeled one of the negative entities it was everyone the type three spirits um and it actually spoke through him and Peaches was there and this is the first time that Peaches and Caden have actually worked better than I was interested to see her opinion of him um but the type three entity was actually talking through Caden like he was speaking for it uh he was not aware what he was saying but it was talking to us and it was saying things that you expect that type of entity to say and at the end of it you know I talked to Brandi after the investigation I said was that legit and she goes oh yeah that was definitely legit um you know at one point you know while he's talking she moved in and uh Brandi's done that a few times too right but she usually doesn't speak she doesn't speak yeah but he was like speaking an articulate and saying no to your master yes but actual channeling going on right and for those who don't know channeling is it's almost like a ah I don't want to use the term partial possession but it almost is a partial possession where they basically use the medium to speak so if you have seen the movie um independence day when the alien gets the data character that's the grated doctor and use them like a puppet then use them like a puppet like my brand spiner from Star Trek I would have done a ghost where it would be Goldberg as a medium and actually has reached up in her and talked through her would be a better analogy I think either way that's kind of what happened um you're just jealous because I'm getting a girl's girls you're both your girls you're both yours are gross thanks lurch fight fight um but it was fascinating but you know at one point Brandi moved in and uh you know we don't talk about religion a whole lot but Brandi's Catholic you know she broke out her uh rosary and I keep some holy water that she gave me in our cleansing kit and we use that periodically I usually let her use it because I think it's more effective since it's from her religion um you know she basically put a cross on his forehead and at that time I moved in and uh you know he snapped out of it and the way we went but we were able to actually cleanse that house the bad thing about cleansing like that though is probably going to be a temporary cleansing because you know if we remove the the negative entities the type three spirits that he won't experience whatever it is you want to call them um the problem is is if the people there are still using drugs or still tinkering with the stuff they should be tinkering with um they're gonna invite that stuff right back in it's like putting a band-aid over something right it's like jabbing yourself in the thigh with a snake knife and putting those little anybody around band-aids on it and hoping the bleeding is gonna stop um you know as long as the stuff that brought that those things in continues the problem is gonna continue um but what was fun that night though is right after we got done with that uh peaches had to go back home but uh bee and caden said hey you know we're gonna go to the family tree and uh deal with lucy um and so they invited me to come along with them and so i thought that'd be kind of fun because it'd be basically uh the staff member of the family tree who runs their ghost hunts myself uh caden sorry i thought diana was picking her nose there for a second i got distracted no i have a boobere in my eye i'm just distracted by the fact that she's wearing full scotter for galea don't bring it up yes because i've laid backpacks before we came here at the memorial i need to clean my backpacks so i'm gonna make my pipes they paid me the money's too it was awesome um so please continue through exploring story thanks lucy was almost asleep and so the sound of your voice was lulling me into gentriss lumber i'm sure many real listeners are like oh sweet my weekly uh insomnia show that's nuts me out every time um so i thought that'd be and my guess pretty cool opportunity it'll be just you know four of us at the family tree the whole venue to ourselves and uh and i had to go and ruin it and make it five yes you did so it's kind of thanks i'm like oh yeah i can come help with that it's not big though and Tim calls me and goes what's up and uh i knew he didn't come to the other investigation earlier that night because he got called into work for a mandatory over time i got forced into a three-hour overtime shift so he calls me and goes hey they canceled my uh my mandatory overtime i'm actually headed home after three hours they pulled a plug on us and uh i said oh i said i'm going family tree you want to are you busy i'll be right down it took them all about 35 minutes to get from uh west Jordan to south Utah county like how i think traffic laws may have been violated it was a saturday night on memorial weekend just saying that's true it was probably not true so you went on the trunks yeah pretty much wait there's a night at nine thirty night it was me in the yeah makes it sound like there's a distinction i don't drink and drive nor do i condone drinking and driving no you shall be arrested most harshly um but that was an interesting investigation in and of itself uh primarily because we did it not from an investigative step point but from a cleansing standpoint and at a large venue and for those who are worried that the family tree is no longer a fun venue to investigate there are still plenty of spirits there the object of our dealing with things was not to get rid of all the spurts in the venue our objective was to get rid of Lucy and the negative entities yeah we actually um silent none of my actually ran into brandy the next day and just kind of asked you know how to go and and she's and i asked the same question like well it's still haunted house though it goes time even going she says it will actually be better she said since Lucy kind of has been getting ramped up all the other spirits tend to cower and hide and what hasn't been as fun hasn't been as active and she thinks it will be more active now and we've actually noticed that uh in a lot of places where uh negative entities demon experience that three's whatever you want to call them um where they really kind of flex their muscle the human spirits tend to kind of shrink and hide and you don't get nearly as much or as good of activity when you've got that kind of stuff going on um they actually had a cook who they hired uh this has been what about six months go to him uh yeah somewhere there uh that was basically tinkering with Lucy um playing with Ouija boards things of that nature uh and opened up a few extra portals inside the family tree and provided some more negative entities well that's awesome yeah and so the live there went bad to really bad list you seven done uh they ended up catching that particular cook smoking marijuana out back and so they basically shit canned him um language i think that's a legal term okay yeah yeah the legal term thank you Captain America Don is wearing a Captain America shirt for for those who can't see him um oh is this the same guy that would go and sit in the basement by himself after hours and talk to Lucy that was the other guy and that's where i was gonna go next they actually hired another guy from like self-voice home or something like that which is always where you want to hire your top caliber employees um a sober living house anyway this kid came in and he was he proclaimed himself to be a warlock or some non-religious yeah um and like on break he would go down in the basement by himself and they're like what are you doing and they're all i'm talking to Lucy i know how to talk to Lucy um when Tim and i got there uh how many negative entities did they say they were Tim 10 yeah they said they're actually 10 so it was Lucy and nine others which was interesting because that's where we were going to be nine other negative types of user yes uh when we were there doing our group investigation with wiz we actually got that on the echo box they were telling us then that there were 10 and it was interesting i remember that because the staff members there um the vibe had gotten so bad and so dark that the staff members who were like who would never see anything and never experience i think we're starting to see stuff we're not wanting to come to work um people who generally spent time there were not wanting to spend time there well and they even brandy told us that brandy b said that lucy had kind of changed from being a little girl entity to being a woman in black entity and she would also well lucy basically was kind of a shape changer for lack of a better term she would appear several ways she appeared where there she appeared as a dog um she appeared as a woman in black i think we actually determined the woman in black was kind of like her like super bright that's right that's right that's right we thought they were the same at verse but uh throughout the cleansing process we actually found out that the woman in black was a different entity okay but but lucy was masquerading as other things uh and trying to throw people off but even actually who generally runs the ghost hunts there um she you know she'd let him on a regular basis to the point she was a nervous wreck oh yeah she was at the night she didn't like being there she was nervous she couldn't get her words out like she was a really anxious and fidgety the entire night and so which is not like her at all right so that's why we ended up going into clams and it was kind of interesting i watched him have his mind blown like two or three different times that evening um well that might start it off awesome just we turned on the echo box first thing and it just started saying everybody's name that was there yeah um i've actually really got inside like the echo box um we used it last night an investigation we'll talk about that here in a minute but uh the first thing is tatant is a lot with moving energy he can essentially trap a spirit if you will and kind of move it elsewhere um at one point he he goes i've got one and he kind of has his hands apart and he asked him to help him but why don't you tell us what happened to him so what happened actually was uh he was standing there and he just looked at me and he's like you come stand right here and point it right in front of him and i'm like uh okay and he's like can you just like focus your energy like push your energy towards me i said all right so i'm just kind of like i don't really know how to push my energy around us i just kind of close my eyes and i just hold my hands are just kind of trying to focus i wasn't really paying attention to what he was doing obviously because i had my eyes closed and then also then i just felt my hands move forward like like i had been pushing like i wasn't even pushing against the area but it felt like i had been pushing against the wall and the wall just all of a sudden moved and so i opened my eyes to see what was going on at this point like he had gone from having his arms outstretched as well to holding it like he was holding a ball or something so right at the same time like my hands moved forward that's when he was like holding something i just watched him like walk this thing like from one side of the building to the other and just kind of like release the energy and uh he said he was speeding this game off like it did it a few release yes but it was just weird because like i said i was i physically wasn't trying to push my hands but i felt them move like i was that's cool it was interesting because being the outside guy watching this plus it and i see tim's hands just kind of go and tim goes that was trippy that was really trippy tim was kind of he kind of freaked for a minute uh he doesn't do justice explain it here the podcast but tim was a little freaked for a second because he physically felt the like i could feel it moving like like i felt like i'd actually pushed even though i wasn't trying to if that makes sense so was the skinwalker still there though yes he said that was what was interesting is we kind of determined that the skinwalker actually is kind of in battle with these type three entities um that's what i figured it got so bad that he kind of like threw his hands in the air and was like to hell with it i i i i was basically just focusing on his energy on just remaining there and not like trying to fight anymore and i think i mentioned this on the podcast before but i'll just bring it up because it's kind of relevant um silent on and i went there for dinner not too long ago a couple months ago and i could feel and just come and stand by us and the the feel that we'll talk about this later was just i'm here protecting you um because i know what's downstairs and i know that what's downstairs knows who you are and i'm just gonna sit here and protect you from it yeah the time before last when i was there um we showed up and we were there for about five minutes and i went to the bathroom just to wash my hands and there's no one else in there and as i was finishing up washing my hands i could hear someone's sigh right behind me and i like turned around no one's there looked in the bathroom stall no one's there and i just i knew it was him and what was interesting speaking of the skinwalker what was interesting and Tim was there for this but as i'm sitting there i'm at the table i just feel this but really bizarre feeling on my head um just it's really unique i can't really even describe the feeling because you have the bald head and the spirit's like to rub it yes they do i've had them do that on several occasions but i asked him i said was there something right behind me he goes the skinwalker right behind you and he's rubbing your head which side my head right side my head which is right where i could feel it and it was the strangest sensation i can't describe it but it was i mean there was definitely something a lot of rubbing rubbing action yeah uh then at one point during the evening as we kind of dealt with all these different things um a couple years ago and i think we made talk about this at Fort Douglas during the first four Douglas investigation we did with brandy and when she got attacked it was the night before the sprinkler night that we talked about so was it the night of the sprinkler night no it was no i think i don't remember i think it was the first night yeah anyway brandy kind of went into a trance more or less uh and a seizure and Tim actually carried her out and his Tim was carrying her hands kind of clogged up and she grabbed him on the back kind of his upper back on the was it the right side on my left shoulder blade just right underneath my left shoulder blade she kind of dug her hand into it dug her hand in and it's been interesting because last two years whenever something's kind of going sideways you know it doesn't matter where Tim's at he can be on the other side of the venue he can be he can be a block away and that area will start hurting him like it did that night and you know he'll come running and it's uncanny when he'll come in he goes what's wrong you know my shoulder shirt and what's going on with wrong it's like carry potter a little more yes exactly carry potter do you have a do you have a light and bolt scarring in my shoulder yeah awesome well it's just invisible towards end of the night Tim was kind of staring off and uh everything was fine with Tim but i i was asked to focus my positive energy and so i was i was doing my best because again i'm not good at like pushing energy it went not so and then you farted yeah exactly you felt her i'd butter cut her you was pushing something that i was pushing yeah i was trying to hold it in i didn't want to go to the bathroom in the middle of this i was scared um anyway so i asked what wrong with Tim and then uh be asked what wrong with him well this is right after like we were trying to uh get rid of one of the spirits and everyone got distracted by this like wizard looking spirit goes outside gendel yeah gendel and so i everyone got up to go check it out and i just sat in the chair again just trying to focus my positive energy the best i could and next time everyone's like are you all right i'm like yeah i'm fine and everybody's like are you all right well it kaden comes over and hands Tim a couple crystals and then goes huh and basically he puts two pieces of quartz on either one of my shoulders and i don't know exactly what he did because he was behind but then also i felt like he had reached in my shoulder and pulled something out like i literally felt something being removed from my shoulder and i looked at him i'm like did you just take something out of my shoulder and he's like he was a hork rucks he's like yeah i was a hork rucks this is awesome you're like kerry potter yes so he i physically i physically felt him remove something dick i physically felt him remove something from my shoulder and uh he's like yeah you had some residual negative energy in there and it was right in the spot where uh Tim had been uh uh grabbed her and he'd get that that feeling what's interesting is no one in the group was i know we've talked about it maybe once or twice on the podcast i don't think kaden listens like none of us told kaden that i've had that issue right no no no prior knowledge i just walked up and pulled that out of my back and you know this is the thing that when i work with a medium any medium this is the kind of thing i like because it helps kind of validate uh what it is they do you know in different mediums operate at different levels um but it's that kind of stuff like the conversations at the previous house where all three are obviously involved in the same conversation with something i can't hear or see uh that to me lends some credibility to them and what they can do and and their abilities can i break in a little medium story really quick no do i read you so um right along uh don and i have a sister-in-law who's a medium i'm just gonna take that for about 20 minutes till the end's done i hate you so um so your first just kind of ends and we kind of wonder what the point is you know a lot of stories that dand tells have like a beginning and then maybe a middle not so much an ending but please go ahead to the story where's he can grab me i think she needs a whole half an hour i don't know but look on her face i think she needs a hug do you want to don't it no hard head um first you'll have no i'm gonna make crinkly recess pieces and clear my throat like it no um you're welcome alica no i didn't say i was gonna chew loudly um so we have a family member who was having some issues and she we've asked if she wanted wisps to come over and she said yes and then kind of backed out and um she's kind of sensitive herself and so i thought well maybe we'll just take over the sister-in-law and so we did so it's just me done the sister-in-law and it's interesting because the sister-in-law she knows her stuff but she comes across very the sister-in-law that i've talked about before she's very good but she has terrible delivery yes the legions of demons attacked my computer no the angel marona is watching her with school in texas yes okay anyway so moving on so we went to this home and we're downstairs in the basement and i could feel a lot of people down there and i didn't say anything and and she said i think i finally did say i feel like a whole bank of people behind me she was yeah she says they're all huddled because they're scared of something um but the point is mediums regardless here's the end of the story in there regardless regardless regardless they're delivery um it's really nice to have them and have them you know validate things that we've done and and and her approach is different like cavons is different and pectus is different and brandy bees is different but they all give you the same information right so that was only like three minutes i think that's a personal record so dianne give them the follow-up uh what we found out when we talked to her the other night whoa what's going on here dianne had a short story gone spoke she had an ending now she's going to continue the story and she's got a tape rough and so i got a hold of the family member a few days later and just said hey you know has everything going and she said well my son she has a son that's um three and she said well i put him to bed one night and he said mommy there's no monsters in my room and there had been a portal in his closet and so i texted our sister-in-law and i said hey you know this is this is what you know i heard you know feedback from the we ended up closing three portals and crossing over probably 70 people wow that's pretty impressive yeah and um she said you know that sometimes i feel like i'm just kind of crazy making stuff up but she says when i hear validation like this it's it's just nice yeah and that's kind of why well speaking of investigations last night uh tinnis love wasbur and i went to uh sultare and investigation um and i am not above going to a paid public investigation if it gets me to a venue that i can't normally get into sometimes you're too expensive for us to to get into our own and that's sultare sultare great sultare it was awesome their price because we looked at trying to just get our group in there and they're a little bendy and so it's not really been feasible for us to to do a private investigation of our own there so when this opportunity came up and the ticket price was right tim and i jumped on it um grim ghost tours will do it again oh yeah i'll be in on next time yeah i i i fully plan on going if it's on a Saturday or final in enough time in advance i take the day off i i want to go back to that and that's one where i would like to take brandy or brandy or cadence i can't wait to go to that venue with the medium um because didn't i'd like to go there's something it was interesting both paranoid and actually uh i gotta tell us a side straight about skull pants uh there's a gentleman there that i'm just gonna call him skull pants because he had like emcee hammer pants with they were black with all pictures of skulls all over skull pants yeah skull and crossbones all over pants yeah so skull pants captain kevin skull pants pirate pants do you know what a pirate's favorite letters are no to the sea matey i think it's the sea i shouldn't make too much fun because i found out later the night this gentleman was like very high functioning autistic um and he periodically comes on investigations but i could tell the the host of the investigation uh pal wheeler from gross ghost grim course was kind of at his rope sand with this gentleman was it the part where he said he was at his rope sand is that what he looked like i think that was the part that gave away is when he actually said i met my rope sand with this guy um well you are just right why aren't you i'm smart i make things go i'm so smart i am so i am so smart as i'm marty um so the the curator the the venue manager whatever you want to call him basically start telling the stories about what happened and said you know on the roof of there's a door that goes to the roof um there's a catwalk on the roof i've locked that door because there's no railing so if you step off the catwalk either direction you're gonna go barrel and off into the parking lot three stories down immediately the guy goes can i go on the catwalks and he gets told no i'll sign a waiver no please no um just to give you an idea what skull pants is like you almost want people like that to do it anyways for like a Darwin word well and again i feel bad because i found out the guy was a little bit mentally disabled but at the same time he was just an interesting character about halfway halfway yeah about that about halfway through the investigation Tim and i will talk about our actual investigation here just a second i found out at this dressing room that we're getting a lot of activity and uh like a room or two over here this i am the master of the universe and just repeatedly yeah and then he even did this i ruled world i went and found paul to bring him in the room with us and that was probably a little more accurate yes yeah he uh he was doing that as i was i was talking to paul and bring a paul in the room with us so he can kind of investigate with us a little bit and the guy followed us in the room oh is that an air conditioner oh yeah let me back up so the venue it's the salt air it's a june it's not climate control i believe he said the uh the building uh was an old airplane hanger from hiller force it was and it was like 85 degrees inside if not a little warmer it was it was not sure it felt like it was 120 in there um so we're in this one room and there's a little wall air conditioner and to be honest with you when i walked in i saw that and i thought oh that looks really nice there was a lot of emf coming off that wall too it was pretty cool i was looking at that going that literally nice i should turn that on and then my inner investor said you dumbass that'll be too noisy and your ebps will suck and so i left it alone well sculp hands wanders in is that nacy i'm gonna turn that on no it'll make things better it'll make it cool in here yeah yeah it will but no we're on the ebps no it won't the recorders won't hear it yeah don't turn it on dude and then uh he was asked about his maniacal i ruled the universal af what makes things more effective it's more effective it's more entertaining for people makes it more enjoyable no it doesn't no it's not all i had to tell him several times that he's like people are complaining they don't want you to do anymore but no they should like it yeah so hats off to the skull pants um so back to the actual investigation itself for those who have never investigated itself there who have never been there for concert it's kind of a big open venue um but there's a balcony and then towards the one if you're facing the stage on your left hand side i'm trying to take directions because i feel it's kind of stuck outside but uh left hand side of the building there are some dressing rooms both in the second uh a first floor second floor and on the third floor there's some rooms now a little bit of history in the building um first off in that whole area there this is the third iteration of salt air the first two have burned down uh and i think one was looking like right next to it and then one was what five miles down the road um so this is the third incarnation of uh salt air even this one's had problems too when they first opened they couldn't actually run the venue for like 20 years right in fact they actually talk about potentially being cursed uh and this is also along i-80 and this is where people like to take their murder victims to go bury them or kill them or rape them or do whatever it is they're gonna do with them so they're continually finding bodies out here uh one can it's on the way to willow that's at point two it's not fully it's towards to willow we love you residents to listen to us but that county is cursed they've must've must've recently found a body uh in February we're doing February this year they found a body there in fact yeah that kid had been uh ejected from the venue uh this is a different kid the kid the kid that was ejected from the venue was 2009 the kid this year was okay that's right this kid this year was uh someone in the wheelchair that had a history of drug abuse apparently you know they found him out by the salt air with a gunshot wound in his head right that's right um but they've had people step out from the semis on a 80 right there front salt there and they had the kid that uh was they couldn't find his body for like a week and then they found it in the pond out front of the venue uh he was completely naked in his body he was like all just water-ploting him yeah and then they found a woman they called salter sally who was buried in a chalagre right next to the building back in the beach 2000 it was 12 years later they were finally able to identify her yeah they were able to identify her just a couple years ago if i remember right yeah 2012 so and so this building just the area around it's just been rife with uh homicides and suicides and he key things like that then on top of that apparently on the third floor they used to film uh porno movies in there that was what they're telling us and so if you want to talk about uh a perfect storm for a mega-venergene this building is like the nexus of perfect storm of mega-venergene one occasionally they do hold like raves there raves and and again it's a contraband and so you're gonna get all kinds of different bands drug use but you're gonna get drug use you're gonna get your maryland mansons and your obzzomps and some of the darker uh acts that come in and so it's a perfect spot for uh they actually have one of the dressing rooms they call the maryland mans maryland mansman put uh black carpet or black uh drapes in the whole room and then red couches yeah that's maryland mansons got his own dressing room not his writer probably yeah that betcha yeah i wouldn't be surprised i need a copy of the bible for me to wipe my house with during the performance yeah no kidding um so as ten was i and as ten was and i started we kind of walked through the first floor area and then we moved up to uh the balcony and we were using the k-2 we got a couple little taps on the k-2 but not a lot the k-2 goes meter pro with the goes meter pro and we're getting some information from the goes meter pro and we're getting a little bit of flashlight activity and initially we were told and i honestly think at the beginning i think we're actually talking to human spirits uh i agree we i'm i'm a fine one for just throwing names out uh they talked about the owner talked about seeing uh male spirit the top of the stairs on occasion uh so we named that stairway stanley um so one spirit said that yeah he was stairway stanley i think we did we decide his name was alex or rust i think it was alex the his name was alex we got alex to the echo box and we were able to confirm that on the gozmeter pro and then we were getting someone who claimed they were uh selther sally which is the name of one of the women found in a shallow grave nearby and we were able to later debunk that one um it's all there's alie we determined is actually passed on and it was a different spirit that liked the name so she started calling it felt that right um and so we we did uh some goes meter pro and then we broke up the echo box we kept getting the names rust alex and pat um and we also kept getting our names yeah we kept getting tim wisps castle we didn't mention to anybody there that we were with wisps i mean only bug and and palm obviously but we kept getting wis through the echo box right we kept getting castle and tim and we kept getting paul as well and then we're making waves in the other life and on a side like there was a kid there bless his heart who had like a 15 trillion candle power flashlight and he kept winging that thing around the venue and like every five to ten seconds i would catch like 10 000 candle power image i he was literally like he wasn't using it to see where he was going he had it on and he was just like it was on a string and he was just twirling it so there's a disco ball there and periodically he hit the disco ball and there'd be like like everywhere i'm just thinking this is just fantastic for seeing orbs on a shine light on f and disco ball right um flash i think i just i know no no that's the disco ball again so he kept shining over towards us and so i just kept getting blind and finally said to him i said let's get the hell out here and go somewhere else and by then like everybody made a beeline at the beginning of the investigation to the what we refer to is the porno room yes there was there was a couple that lived there for a few years and there's uh there's a story that they told us that the couple that lived there that one night that's the room they slept in and apparently both of them were violated by spirit while they were there right the mail was held down and more or less violated and then his girlfriend i didn't believe him or something and so they switched the thoughts on a bed and then it happened to her um so everyone went straight to that room first so after that room kind of cleared out uh we had it up there and there's another couple that were up and thought that sounded wrong there was another couple there was oh we see how it is there was what is it a couple there was a couple up there uh damn it uh and i swear that kid at the flashlight came and found me personally oh my god yeah he did we're going to investigate oh my eyes five minutes later we can walk to the right square in the eyes of the flashlight can't be away oh sorry and then turn around and walk away and then walk away and then i was last ready he found that to shine with my eyes on purpose it was interesting when we first walked in that room i felt something grabbing my leg like one of my left leg felt fine but my right leg felt like something was just tugging on it and this is where the investigation started kind of turned interesting um because Tim had his leg yanked on and then we didn't get a whole lot of activity in that room uh at all i mean we did have uh we were using ghost meter pro and you did have something here dianne just give it to me okay give it to me and i'll open up the damn wrapper all right give me the damn races so i can open it up yeah it's it's like a bandaid over seriously it's like chewing chips at a movie if you do it slowly it's gonna be louder just like a bandaid go quick yeah it's gonna be quiet yeah it's gonna be quiet yeah it's gonna be a racist she's been trying to slowly open for the last 15 minutes it's just like a bandaid just go quick i was trying so we got a little bit of ghost meter pro in that room well you had a you had a spirit try to pull it over yeah yeah that's right i forgot about that actually i had my hands i can see the needle because watching the red end flash is not always the most effective but the needle inside is because it'll always you can see how many times it moves from most part and i was holding up and i can actually feel i felt like some kind of grab like the end of it was tied to a string and someone kind of like was pulling on with a string like it was being kind of pulled out of my hand but like not a whole lot of control on that end um and then from that room then it kind of died off we didn't really get much in that room at all yeah we were getting anything so we decided to move and i told them about i told castle about some i ruled into our small that's about now yeah we i knew there were some uh because i had kind of scattered the venue looking for good spots to investigate i told them there was some kind of like little private boost that overlooked the stage uh so we were kind of going down to that but i got a private room together yes we did all right yeah we'll do it for that other context too late um so we went down the stairs and i saw this hallway and i'm like i didn't go down here so we went the hallway and found this like little conference room i guess this was what they used before now the fascinating thing about that little conference room well it's kind of a conference from slash dressing room um it was wall to wall mirrors oh there's mirrors all over that there were mirrors facing mirrors facing mirrors there was even a mirror like it wasn't even on the wall it was just sitting on the floor leaning against the wall there's probably about six or seven mirrors in there at least i probably would say close to maybe eight or nine mirrors but there was like mirrors hanging on every square into wall when we walked in that one wall was just had so much emf ambient emf coming off of it right on the one wall there was the ac unit built into the wall and we're getting i think second or third led started we got all the way to the yellow which is the main i remember i actually walked i'm like oh hey k-2 and then we kind of we did what we do when we get k-2 and we did that right we kind of debunk it make sure it's not from an ambient source and uh we start talking again and we're using the echo box in there as well and we're still getting the same seltzer sally and allix and we're getting please help me in kind of getting our names and and so as we were doing this um we started kind of researching some of these names you know Tim and i will pull out our cell phones and start trying to find some more information on seltzer sally to see what her real name was um try to find out more about the kid who got found in the pond um and as we're going through finding some of the stuff you know that's when we're able to find out that seltzer sally was just like the name because the real seltzer sally was not there um but we ran across the name patty because we kept getting the name pat patty when i found the story about the kid back in 2009 that got kicked out of the venue for whatever reason and was found about a week later um in that same story i found that there was someone named patty that worked at the seltzer and so i went and asked the manager there uh if he knew who that was and he's like yeah that's my sister right so we started to become pretty clear at that point that whatever we were talking to was more or less messing with us it was lying i mean just habitually lying and after we went out pawing brought him in the room we even got the name steven on the echo box and when i asked about that uh we were told that was patty's husband who passed away last year and as we're going through doing this um now we deal with a lot of type three spirits we run into quite a few and a lot of times they will pepper truth with just enough lies to try and string it along uh but you get quite a bit of truth out of them but they'll twist it with a a fib here there this particular type of spirit i don't think was up was barely capable of telling the truth um there were things that we knew to be true that it would lie about um i'm trying to think of an example i thought in my head oh we asked if it was patty and said yes and we're like no you're not patty patty still alive yeah things like that um and it just that particular one could not tell the truth and as we kind of started calling it out for what it was the whole entire tone on the echo box changed the whole feeling of the room changed too it went from the please help me use on the echo box and kind of you know an all right feeling to like kind of like uh that negative type feeling you get or like really dark kind of buzz you almost go against your skin i don't start getting profanities through the echo box and i won't point it called as fat in my response it's like fat and i'm like yes i am fat that's because i enjoy food something you never get eaten and then the feeling got even darker you know we can have you um asshole things like that through the echo box and the tone completely totally changed at that point i'm convinced that they are more afraid of us than we are of them what was interesting is when we were kind of able to pinpoint where you were standing in the room there was a shelf that i had my camcorder sitting on and i it was kind of in the corner of the room uh and i had it set up to where i was getting a view of most of the entire room except for obviously it was behind my camcorder and when we were actually able to pinpoint where it was a castle was kind of able to feel he's got being able to feel where like exactly where the energies and where the spirits are i'm not like a medium or a empath or anything like that but a lot of times if the spirits strong enough i can kind of feel roughly where it's at when i'm with any one of the mediums that we use i usually bat about 85 to 90 percent on saying it's right there and i usually get a yip you're right i i again about 90 percent of time i'm dead on 10 percent i'm up in the night but 90 percent of time i can pinpoint where they're at just by feel so we're actually able to kind of pinpoint that he was standing in the one spot in the room where he could stand and not be on camera and when we kind of noticed this is about the time my my batteries last about two hours and my battery is about to go out and uh it went out and i had to change it real quick what was interesting is when i changed it like i have these lithium ion rechargeable batteries i use for my early or my infrared light and that was like fully charged brand new battery those in there and when the battery went out on my camera it also went out on the light so which leads me to believe that it used the energy for it was pulling the energy for my batteries so i couldn't film it anymore which i responded with i've got like 30 batteries so keep training them i'll just change it and as interesting as Tim would move his camera you can kind of feel the shift in the room as it would try and do what it could to avoid being filmed um the type 3's do not like being filmed at all no and i think we've ever gotten the turn of type 3 yes we have but they don't yes sign building from cleaves house oh yeah right cleaves as well stir me down let me rephrase that i don't think any pictures i have taken in the homes with confirm t3 so they're never shown we've also had the one that we still kind of debate with Lucy standing in front of me the family tree and the only reason i debate that one is because there is a good logical explanation other than there wasn't someone standing in front of me because i was the one in the picture and i can tell you there was no one standing in front of me when i was taken yeah okay uh and i i know i've conceded to you the other day that the pictures legitimate the only thing that's helped me back from signing onto that picture hundred percent is the couple in the picture um there's a man on the left side and a woman on the right side and then there's something in the middle that we that has been in contention to whether or not it's an entity but they also had a daughter who was smaller who had a grey hoodie which is kind of the same color as that she was wearing a grey hoodie so she looked black it's kind of grey and you can see the wall and the the sled up leaning on the wall through the person like i said i can see that the picture is probably legit um anyway towards the end of the night um and this is we're getting here this is the wind down of the night it was getting to be 130ish 130ish um and so we decided we're gonna call it a night we stayed a little later than we planned and uh again i'm a final one for handing out names so we we determined we were trying to come up with names and timco i think this is our bark follow me i don't know why i got that name i'm just like i think he should be called bar following me and so uh as tim said that you can kind of feel a shift in the room as things got oh you can tell he got really yeah it was not happy like not like that the achy feeling got icky er and at that point we packed up our gear and i said have a good night bar see you later and it got even worse as soon as i called him bark um and that's was kind of it for the night now the interesting thing is in the echo box um you know we're getting a couple women's voices a couple men's voices and periodically we get this kind of we're kind of low kind of rally voice um which i'm convinced is probably bark uh bark in his native form and uh as we were going down to pack up our gear there was a couple uh investigators there in kind of the staging room where we started uh going through their audio and they had this ebp and it was the exact same voice that we were getting on echo box kind of that deep row and it wasn't even saying anything or it was kind of a rew or i think it was kind of growling or like mumbling at him it didn't sound like it was intelligible but it was the exact same voice exact same voice which i thought was kind of cool and that's some credibility to the echo box actually asked them i'm like because i thought they might have been listening to something from you know another night because we do that sometimes we share ebp's from other investigations with people and i'm like is that from tonight and they're like yeah we just barely got this yeah and so that was kind of interesting but overall as far as venues go it's probably not my favorite venue venue as far as just the layout goes to investigate but it was fascinating the information we got and just the whole change in tone once we figured out what was in that room and what it was and just how angry it was once we kind of saw through its uh its story and one from there now uh dian has prepared a whole big awesome thing for us uh tonight about mediums and empaths um i was gonna say um i believe lurch was he was at the saute recently for concert and he kind of shut out to uh tim conyers forgive me some tickets to uh m83 who tim conyers not i know tim but who the hell's m83 it's like a french electronic pop band based out of lus angeles very obscure i can see like one or two radio hits okay it was a good show i felt old when like all the average concert goers half my age but i think you were telling us before we started recording that you kind of felt that there was something there yeah i mean i've been to the salt air once or twice before for other shows too and uh you definitely get a vibe when you walk in um but uh yeah it's a good venue i'd like to check it out sometime i've always wanted to investigate there and what we're gonna start doing too is if there's not a pod bash hunt going on and we see something that's interesting we'll probably start throwing it out there and if people want to come investigate with us we'll make sure you guys are aware of it speaking of which the family tree investigation the saturday the 11th that is right the family tree is doing their own public investigation saturday june 11th um do you know how much ticket prices are i believe it's just their normal forty dollars like we did yeah they include dinner and they do want you to call and reserve your spot ahead of time so they know how many people are going to be there they don't want people to showing up i'm pretty sure i'm about like 95 percent sure this but i'm going to be there as well so if you want to come investigate with me you can i have to work so i will not be there now who you want to talk to is called out of the family tree i don't have their number handy but called ashley and reserve your spot and the reason they're doing reserve spots is because and this is a conversation that them and i had last night on our way to sell there we've been to some public counts before that have been way oversold in fact i think you did you come to us on the the cancer fundraiser uh a silent forty nine investigation i don't think he did i think he came to the one after that i don't i don't know i think the end i think the countries that i've been used that have been way oversold that was a was a concert in solic no no there was a different one it was a it was ten to the seven forty nine the end of february about two years ago it's put on by paranormal unity i don't think of that neither anyway i went to that and some of the other members of our group and bless their hearts and i know they're trying to raise money for some of the cancer i feel you um but the asylum forty nine is venue that can reasonably support forty to fifty people without it being crazy i wouldn't even say that many i mean if you spread them out i would say maybe twenty or thirty at the most they probably had sixty to seventy oh my goodness and you literally couldn't walk anywhere you couldn't find anywhere that didn't have somebody there um it was absurd um anyway the point of that long point was story is the family tree they want intersar spots because they are limiting it to a reasonable number for that venue size so if you go you're gonna have a good time it's not gonna be stupid and oversold and and overcrowded uh you have a number for some i do have a number so like i said it is forty dollars per person includes dinner they're starting at nine o'clock um and the phone number to call if you want to reserve your spot is eight oh one seven five four three four nine nine and i'll also post that on our facebook page and again ashley so you want to talk to um if she's not available talk to her is there they may have a list i don't know uh but that investigation should be a good time family trees one of my favorites um i also want to quickly mention oh go ahead and finish yourself oh no go ahead um i just for the listeners uh um if you'll recall back in november we had that contest on uh where i was going for american and uh alica was one of the the winners and then it's also marcy tamas marcy tamas marcy tamas if you're listening to this uh marcy you mean marcy we're not doing last names oh marcy okay um i was thinking about what i'm gonna call you marcy tamas i know it's kind of a uh a private venue the one coming up uh the end of the month in uh carbon county would uh would that be acceptable to think for you to have your kind of long i think that would be phenomenal um maybe do a plus one with or two in fact you know what uh let's see what our numbers look like because of one of our perks uh for indigo was a private investigation okay um and this is a once in a lifetime opportunity as well because i'm gonna investigate shortly after this building is going to be torn down yes and it's actually i am not gonna be able to go to that because i'll be shortly after my cancer surgery so i'm going to be peeing blood and curling the field of just crying marcy i'll be contacting you through facebook uh don't block me because i'm not a soccer but i'll be giving you some information on uh where the venue is and this clamor he is a stalker i am not a stalker and by the way you need to turn the rose bushes outside of your window and he's ready to do sprinkler timer are you saying i didn't do a good enough job i have no response to that anyway uh one of our perks within dego was a private investigation i think that would actually be a phenomenal one okay uh for that individual and i want to i want to thank her for her patience because it's been like six or seven months since we mentioned we had some bumps and bruises we had switched venues and had some life issues and uh hopefully we've got those all sorted out um but we will get in touch with you two individuals i'll reach out to her and trust me this venue i am very sad that i can't investigate i want to investigate so bad uh but i can't it's a one-time deal uh so marcy you'll be taking a council's place i tried to arrange it so we could go twice before my surgery and then after and it was a one and done and once it's done the buildings coming down um just to forewarn you without giving too much information because i don't want to announce what it is uh over the podcast just because i don't want people to say i can't get a bit of hard with requests i think it's a private investigation but i don't mean to sound you know snooting by saying that but we'll talk about well it now it's what it is after the building comes down i just don't want to screw it up by you know having everybody in their dog calling trying to get in there um but trust me it is a venue that it's a chance of lifetime quite literally uh to go to this place yes so marcy you better snatch this up exactly um and so get in touch with lurch he will if you have a hard time finding him check your rose bushes uh i'll be uh making a hair doll with the hair i collect from your your brush some deliving on your doorstep this clamor lurch is a stalker or kitty now i had the end prepare uh kind of a thing to go through tonight on the different types of empaths and mediums and we appreciate all the uns hard work but i think we have just about run out of time uh for this particular episode so we will save this and talk about it next episode of this week we can we can have two episodes back to back that's like you know cleansing and holistic and mojo stuff i think this is fun talking about these investigations i i think we covered a lot of interesting i hope it's interesting and we've got material for the next episode so yes so just kind of a teaser for the next episode we've talked a lot about mediums we have brandy on the show um and we've talked about empaths but we haven't really talked about what it is and so our next show what we'll do is we will talk about the difference between an empath and a medium you know it might be interesting and i'll see if i can arrange it and i'll see how dying i am uh four weeks from now when we record next um but it might be fun to see if we can get both brandies and caden on the show as we do this particular episode um just to get input from all three of them uh and i'd also like to remind listeners if you have any questions anything that you want us to talk about on an episode please let us know please email us please uh post stuff on facebook on what you'd like us to talk about yeah and while we're doing i mean if you have any specific medium and or empath um questions now would be a good time did well on that and um email them and when you email them and we don't know how coherent castle may or may not be to reading his email so send them to me i'm going to be on the drugs yeah he might be if you get anything good we'll share with me so if you have if you have any emails for you know the podcast um questions for the podcast send them to me uh dian at wisps.org yes uh also carbon copy those to me too i'd be interested in saying i may or may not get back to you depending on how zong that i am i just i want to quickly give a shout out to some of the other uh podcasts in the the pod bash group especially to kent den uh with baking sale um kent i'm totally proud of you and nvs view that you got kat beckonsail to wear the t-shirt and i could stare at the word bake and sail all day in that photograph i can tell is my new favorite word i like the way the b and the e are kind of curving around the edges in that photo i've been looking at pictures of kat beckonsail on the internet throughout the entire podcast and i'm a little jello so kudos to you kent he's giggly i can do this she is phenomenal yeah sign with don does i'm talking about uh just bump here fist bump there you go that's right so uh if you haven't listened to baking sale it's a fun show to listen to um speaking of which you got radio ronin which really doesn't need much money to introduction because it's a flagship show uh you got used to me disney landy but i think it's called parkhopper or unofficial disney land show yeah greg's guide uh you've got life on the rocks by the way have you guys listen to life on the rocks at all no um it's the the girls answer to guys on girls it is and as chunga said i don't know if you could really refer to them as ladies because they cover some topics that are a little racy um oh i'm gonna start listening listening yeah tatjib's like i'm on boron are they single no i'm not listening then sorry but they also have talked about doing a paranormal episode because they are actually the paranormal um funny so why and we actually i've talked them briefly about uh a collaboration uh so we may do a cross collaboration show just FYI you know it's funny that you say that about how they talk because you know guys get a bad rap for for being like profane and and saying naughty stuff but girls can be just as bad uh oh my gosh she was just like a baby's on holding a crab apple i guess it's terrible sometimes i've met girls that are worse than most guys i know all i gotta say is i've listened to episodes uh the exercise bike i'll just leave it there um now uh what else did you get that reference again i just make it she's like i want she was disgusted by it that's why she said she was disgusted by everything we say it's right she just stares at us all like i can't believe they're doing this again i tried to filter it but they won't let me you got level 22 we were being nice uh we were being nice addict athlete the runcast um yeah um which lurch never misses an absolute runcasties runner love it um all three episodes what else are you gonna say what's funny man again space um again hates running um i'm running so much if i'm running you better start running because something nasty is coming what else we got they're missing shows i'm sure i miss something because there's a lot of probably so it's level 22 if you want to hear them talk about video games anyway there are a lot of shows a lot of great folks out there doing these probably gonna add more so they're gonna be adding more uh go give them a listen uh keep listening to us obviously i'd like to give a shout out to one or listeners who i talked to the other day we actually i can confirm six actual listeners at this point other than us other than us other than us and i can give a shout out to Brad Z i'll just leave i'm not gonna say his full last name but Brad Z shout out to Brad uh he says this is his lawn mowlin podcast he likes to listen to this why is the lawn the lawn what is that which by the way i hate mowlin lawn so that's pretty bad if you got to listen to us to make mowlin lawn exciting um i'm never listening to you guys again other than that i think we've covered everything haven't we i think i've got one new announcement something we haven't talked about yet just because we were waiting for the approval from changa oh that's right which we finally got and i finally uh uh uh purchased our booth and made us one of the sponsors for this year's uh paranormal festival uh it's a little bit different from last year that's not gonna be paracon it's not run by serenity more it's actually run by several heads of the local paranormal teams what the heck was that i don't know ghost i don't it's probably me kicking the table so so this year uh the paranormal festival will be happening october 1st from 12 p.m to 9 p.m it's one day only and ticket prices will only be ten dollars if you pre-purchase them in advance it's fifteen dollars at the door so it's really inexpensive and they've already got lined up with a lot of paranormal teams and vendors will be there and they've got a lot of guest speakers lined up i know they've got scott grenwald uh from that sci-fi show that i can't remember the name of paranormal paparazzi yeah and for anyone who's ever met scott perehor yeah he always wears these perehor t-shirts pink t-2 he's yeah i say when i met scott he was wearing a scott's a hugger and he's wearing a Hello Kitty t-shirt so he likes the ukulele from what i understand yes he does i thought before i knew who he was i thought took his ukulele and broke it over his head because i was in a bad mood that day and it was not helping to tell the end realize that he was a paranormal celebrity source um still wanted to kind of bash it anyways scott's a fun guy i just a little bit of history uh then to kind of clarify why to mention we needed approval um the last two years there's been a paranormal convention and they've actually used names that are trademarked by the owners of pod bash and basically were violating that trademark and kind of when pushed on it basically kind of hung the pod bash uh owners the middle finger um you know there was they could have taken legal action they chose not to but because of that we unaffiliated ourselves with that particular uh event last year that convention um this year and to be honest with you there were some organizational issues uh both last year and the year before um i think there was one paying customer that showed up day two of last year yeah it was it was a bust not to put it bluntly and so some of the more uh local paranormal groups have kind of spearheaded this uh particularly Paul with badass spirit outlaws uh our friend who we've had here on the show as a guest um him and some uh the other groups of spirit had of putting us together uh we actually the wisps uh actually put forth a name that they chose to use just because we wouldn't be a violation of any trademarks or copyright or anything along those lines even some of the stories that i think you were telling about last year they were really sketchy like i can't believe that kind of crap is going on yeah and i'm not going to say anything bad about anyone you know we love you but uh yeah there's there's some kind of sketchy activity yeah it was that you brought up yeah it was it was disappointing last year to say the least i'm not angry i'm just disappointed but that being said i kind of had my finger in what is being planned this year uh would you have your finger in you don't want to know but i i can but it's cold air cold air uh but i'm part of their their they plan this thing they're planning it through a secret facebook group and so you kind of see the the plans you see coming together and i can tell you it is going to be a really good event this year a lot of forethought's gone into it also last year new before the ticket for relatively hastily expensive i think they were like 30 bucks a person and for your 30 bucks you didn't get a whole lot uh you know i believe kids under 12 or free kids under 12 or free i believe so and so it i'll post uh details on our facebook page it should be an interesting event uh we will keep plugging it until it comes we hope you guys plan on coming to that i'll also start sharing they have been doing several fundraiser investigations a lot of uh public events uh i know there's some coming up they've been doing stuff like the empress theater and benz and christmiel and some other some other venues so i'll start posting links and that stuff you want to attend these fundraiser investigations all the proceeds go to the perema festival so where is the venue for the perema festival it is at the karen um it's at a conference center across the street from the south nxo center it is going to be uh it's the karen gell miller conference center and so it'll actually be uh and that was one thing that tim and i both thought was and i think dian mentioned it too was really strange last year's they held it at crons hollow which is really small venue it was really small venue it wasn't heated it wasn't cool so it was a little muggy and hot and uncomfortable and then they brought in a bunch of vendors the organizers brought in a bunch of vendors who were selling crystals and basically same stuff that crons hollow was selling but like twice the price yeah and so it was kind of like a lot stupid i can buy your rock for five dollars i can go get the same rock for two dollars fifty cents but yeah this year they they have it at a conference center and what's actually interesting is uh i went to purchase our booth and they said there was no more spots left and i come to find out after talking with paul that uh they actually sold out a lot quicker than they thought they wouldn't have to actually contact the conference center and expand and make the venue larger and rent more space because of how many people are actually going to be there uh vendor-wise awesome and with the name paranormal festival i think they'll have a bigger drop because you know you hear the American and unless you're really a paranormal buff you're probably gonna think it's like some kind of special epic something uh a lot of people because karen it could be paragliders could be and there was a lot of confusion with the name that they were using and so you know we put forth paranormal festival in hopes that maybe it would be really clear when it was it's not fancy but it's obvious um anyway start saving your pennies for that shouldn't be too terribly expensive again visitor indiegogo uh we love you guys we will be back in july uh again send us any questions you have anything like that send him to me carbon coffee and to castle yes he's on the drugs and does weird stuff and i may or may not respond with weird stuff uh so it might be fun to send stuff just to see what you get back or if you're bored and want to talk to lurch myself you can email us too anyway have a good night you guys i'm out bitches you're listening to the wisps was at your investigative studies for paranormal science their grown-ass adults that like to sit in the door can talk to each other but they all love their moms so that should account for something