Sleep Paralysis

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However, we went back to Salt Lake County and we did a revisit in Orm. Yep, so the one Orm, you weren't able to go to that night. And it's more that we went to about, oh, what, a year and a half ago? And if you've listened to the podcast, you might remember talking about this.

It was a young couple, had a small child and there was a spirit that was kind of hanging out by the fighting board and we were able to cross it. We weren't there for very long. There was a couple of different things we couldn't say. It's been about a year and a half and the dad called us back again and said that his brother, she was hearing voices.

And so after going back, we discovered that there were a couple of states there. One of them was a young man from the 50-day suicide and he was just trying to get someone to get across over. And so we crossed him over and really the only activity that the family said that they were having was this fiance that a brother was hearing the voices. He wasn't really experiencing anything.

And so over the course of the investigation, because we got, okay, we determined this spirit that's talking to the fiance now. Let's see, there's anything else we'll hear. And there was a very, very small portal under the two-year-old's crib. And so it wasn't a negative portal, it was a positive portal.

But we thought, you know, we don't need spirits coming in and out through this portal right under Baby's crib. So we closed that and it was a fairly quick in and out. We could spend a lot of time there and get some pictures. And it was kind of nice to go to show them that or that was coming out.

Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool. Is that in the Baby's bedroom where you got that photo? Yes. Yes, you weren't getting any picture activity at all anywhere else in the apartment.

Just in the baby's room. But I thought it was, so it makes sense. Yeah, and you could see a number of the orbs and the things moving through your phone in real time, but getting, clicking pictures and taking snapshots that sometimes harder to pick the ones up. Yeah, if you have us come over and do a residential at your home, you'll see me take pictures and I'll see 70 pictures, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

And of those, I'll maybe get four or five to have anything in it. And you can see them, what we need to start doing is having someone record it behind my back. Yeah, I agree with that. Your phone does amazing.

But maybe with the video, I've been taking a few little videos and getting them a bit more out of that. Awesome. Awesome. So as far as residential, we had a couple of council because there's some various things that happen to we can have.

But our next podcast, we should have two or three. We'll have one more show. We ready to get to our main topic today? All right, we'll get on to the main topic.

So the topic we've chosen to speak about today is sleep paralysis. How familiar are you guys with sleep paralysis? So I have heard about it a bunch of times. And when people call this for residential, probably, roughly 30% of the time, someone always says something about sleep paralysis.

It seems to be pretty common with a lot of the residential investigations. I mean, not like all of the time, but like you said, maybe 30% or 20% of the time. But the interesting thing is when I was researching it for this podcast, it was really hard to find much better and normal. It's mostly medical.

Right. Well, sleep paralysis in and of itself is a medical condition, but a lot of people will either confuse it with a paranormal event or misinterpret it. The basis of what people can seriously paralysis is you have a period of time where you have consciousness that you're not able to move. And these happen either right before falling fully asleep or while trying to wake up.

And they can be terrifying. You know, you'll hear these stories. A lot of times people associate these events with having some entity present in the room, something dark. So it's something that they perceive at the same time or right.

So you'll hear this a lot with alien abductions stories, for example. People will say, oh, I was in my room and I couldn't move. And I could tell there were people being standing in the room watching over me and they're leaning over in the corner of the room and I couldn't get a good view of them. And that's a very common finding in cases of sleep paralysis that there's something present in the room and it incites a lot of fear.

It doesn't always have to be aliens, but I think calling me a skeptic could be slender man. Call me a skeptic. But I would say when people have these abduction stories where they're paralyzed or other times they'll have a story about a demon or a devil that's sitting on their chest and making it so they can't breathe well. Kind of your stories of the succubus, each of those kind of stories.

A lot of these have been attributed to sleep paralysis. And how would we know the difference, Doc? That's a good question. That's the question I went into my mind as I was reading into this is how would we know the difference?

I guess the question is, is there a difference? So here's my little thought process. As I was researching and I'm reading medical, medical, medical, medical, I thought, you know, I don't doubt that it's medical. I have zero doubt that there is a medical explanation for I went even say most sleep paralysis cases.

That being said, I personally believe that a small percentage of sleep paralysis cases could be strictly fair enough. It's possible. I think there's a half medium saying, I mean, we could argue and I can't get kind of get castle if you're listening and I'm calling out. If the existence is going to do that, I kept trying to get him to do a podcast on is it possession or is it mental?

Ooh. But guess who gets to pick the podcast topics now? Me? At some point we'll talk about that.

It's kind of a chicken and egg thing. Right. And even when you do residential that's one of the questions that you sometimes ask is anybody on a medication that could be who's an agent? And so I think there's a case for both.

And I think there could be a case for both in sleep paralysis as well. So I don't want listeners going, oh, no, I was really targeted by aliens. Maybe we're. But I tend to lean towards not even one of the 30% of you think that the biggest percentage is probably medical.

I think this I think sleep paralysis is more common than people realize. What happens is as your body is moving into deeper stages of sleep, you become more relaxed. And I was kind of joking here with silent on. The MPD.

The AKHN about how terrifying it would be if we could actually move during our dreams. I mean, I don't think why is that? Because we would kill ourselves. I mean, if you were able to actively move and act out your dreams in their entirety while you were unconscious, you'd have no perception of reality and you'd end up falling down the stairs and breaking your neck.

And so your body naturally has a way to try to protect you, relaxes your muscles to the point that you can't move them. And then allows that's part of the end rim sleep, the non-rapid eye movement is just sent into rapid eye movement, REM sleep, which is where the dream state occurs. So what about when you're in the dream state and then all of a sudden you do that? You know what I'm talking about?

You feel you're falling off of something? You move. You snap right out of it and you're like... And for the most part, there's not a lot of lag time between this relaxation into REM, either going into or coming out of.

The times where it becomes problematic is when we have these cases of sleep paralysis. And I would say most classically they happen when people are trying to wake up, but they can't happen while people are falling asleep. But you have a... There's a gap basically between where your dreaming is and where your full relaxation is so you maintain a level of consciousness.

And I think what ends up happening is you're trying to make sense of what's going on and you're freaked out. And so obviously there's still some components of that dream state where you feel something ominous or dark or heavy that's in the room because it's not a normal feeling to not be able to move and sometimes feel like you're being choked, not be able to clear your secretions or swallow or any of these things. See that, I've never had to sleep paralysis where I feel like I'm awake and a demon or an alien standing over me. But I do have this thing that you just kind of mentioned is maybe one third twice a month.

I will just right before I wake up in my... I don't even want to say a dream, but it's like something in my brain says if you swallow, something really bad is going to happen. That's why I don't... It's the spider.

Yeah, the spiders, the spiders we all eat every year is one of those. Just tickle in the throat a little bit. And so when I wake up, I'm like panicking my chest wall. I swallow it.

I'm going to die. And don't make that dirty. If I can see it, I can see it. I don't even go there.

Okay. I'm just in this panic. I just have to throw it out there because I'm very congook. And so that would be my sleep paralysis.

It's just this in my dream. If I swallow, like acid's going to drip down to my toes or something, I don't know. Interesting. And there's probably a component of that transitioning from kind of dreams to reality where there's a sense of danger, right?

You have that sense of danger. It may not be that you can't move your entire body. But it's like, oh, don't clear your throat. Don't do it.

That's for me. I never thought. Oh, no, it was a demon. And no.

And I'm not calling out anybody that does because I do believe that a negative entity could cause us as well. So I do not say nothing. Right. From a medical perspective, a lot of people don't experience this, but there are factors that do play into whether you're more likely to have an episode of sleep paralysis.

If you have poor sleep hygiene, meaning we're having an episode of sleep paralysis right now. We're making you sleepy. No, it's an episode. We are hosting an episode of sleep paralysis.

Dad joke. Thank you. That was a groaner. Oh, that's even got it.

You need to stay silent. The audience would get it. So the factors that come into play are lack of good sleep. If you don't have good quality sleep, sleep hygiene is important going to sleep around the same time.

Insomnia, if you've been offered too long. Why don't sleep medication? They can actually kind of help break through this. Okay.

They can help you get to that level of sleep more quickly. In fact, they'll prescribe sleep medication or antidepressants sometimes if people have severe sleep paralysis. I tend to have insomnia about once in a week. You're probably right.

And you're from about three or four days. And I've noticed that even if I'm not sick, if I take, boom, I can just not sleep right now. So yeah, they may be actually more protective, I guess, against getting sleep paralysis. People who, they do mention that people who have things like narcolepsy or sleep apnea are also at high risk just because they don't get good quality sleep.

And so their body gets confused with this transition. You're hosting. So my question, and I realize that there's probably a thousand different factors. This is not medical advice to your doctor.

But let's just say someone came into the emergency room and complained of sleep paralysis. I mean, let's just assume that there's nothing else wrong with them. In general, what are some things you might do? Reassurance.

Can you code them like you code with the evil like, ah, you can. Mallee Oho, I'm pretty sure sleep paralysis is in there. I've had a case of sleep paralysis come into the emergency department as well. That was my phone breaking.

Well, y'all, it has happened. I've had a patient that's come in and said, oh my gosh, the weirdest thing happened. I woke up and I couldn't move and I was scared. I couldn't tell anybody, you know, and I'd say, oh yeah, yeah, sleep paralysis.

So you got the demons. Yeah, either sleep paralysis or a demon sitting on your chest or an alien abduction. Take your pick. And for me, it was actually pretty easy to give them that reassurance because I have personally had an episode of sleep paralysis.

It's weird. It is creepy. So there's a little list that I ran across that said, check with your doctor. If you have these concerns, you feel anxious about your symptoms because a lot of times, like you said, just the reassurance, like everything's okay.

If you're symptoms, they'd be really tired during the day because that could be the problem you might have even have what's what I want. What does it mean to sleep apnea? Yes, something you're talking about that. Or if you're someone who's keeping up in that because obviously, you should be doing a lot of things.

Right. And it will increase your risk of having episodes of sleep paralysis as well. Absolutely. So, you know, overwhelmingly, these things, they happen, they resolve, like I said, I had it happen to me one time in my life.

I can tell you a little bit of that. How old were you? I was 17 or 18. Okay.

And I was laying in my bed and I woke up and realized I couldn't move. And I could feel that my breathing was a little, I don't say restricted, it's hard to breathe. And that's because your sleep patterns, you don't breathe a whole lot. You breathe pretty slowly when you're sleeping.

But when you're conscious, yeah, you feel like you need to breathe more. And so you're conscious and you're going, let's pull in more air and you can't. And it does. It's a very scary feeling.

You feel like you're suffocating, you can't get enough air. And then you're later and you can't breathe more, you can't move. But I just think you remember with my episode that I felt like there was something just standing right next to me just outside of you. And I could feel this heaviness, right?

And like a growling. It was almost like it was a werewolf or something. So some people get aliens, some people get demons sitting on the chest. You got a werewolf.

Mine's a werewolf that's just sitting right off to the left side of my face. And I can't look at it, but I can hear it. And I know it's there. And so I sat there for a few minutes and I got a little panicky and you're sitting there in your mind going, move your head, move your arms and nothing's moving.

And it is a weird, weird sensation. And you literally sat there for a few minutes. It was like forever. It was probably a couple of minutes.

But I remember finally at some point when I was like, I was like, I'm like yelling myself to move. I was able to turn my head to the left just to see what was there. And I got this big loud growling sound in my ear and then suddenly boom, I could move everything, woke up, sat up, breathe in heavy, go and holy crap, what just happened to me. And I could easily see how somebody could perceive that as a paranormal incident that there was a dark entity or spirit in the room that was making them paralyzed.

I had one of those, what the hell just happened to me moments and started doing some research and I thought, okay, this was probably just an episode of sleep paralysis. So you did mention that with sleep paralysis, it's your body's attempt to keep you from hurting yourself. There's the inverse of sleep paralysis and that's sleepwalking. This is where people are up and moving while they are asleep or at least maybe not in the deepest parts of sleep, but still sleeping.

They have no recollection of what they're doing. Yeah, afterwards. And that's a whole kind of the inverse of sleep paralysis, I would think of wandering around, doing things about consciousness and yet doing things relatively safely, like going up and downstairs and right. So they're not in the deepest stages of sleep.

They're not in REM sleep necessarily, but they are in a deeper level of sleep. So they don't have awareness, but their body is perceptive to their environment. It's kind of like when I'm driving sometimes and I get there and it's like, how did I get here? Yeah, basically I get noses and that's terrifying.

She's so, you know. If you are on TikTok, I haven't followed her, but she pops up on my feet every once in a while. There's a lady that sleepwalk. She's shaking this and she knows what I'm talking about.

It's this lady she sleepwalk and she does it so much that she's put cameras around her house to film herself and she'll kind of go through and narrate it for you by putting words and she does things like she'll hide behind. The way she narrates it, you know, in a way, you can tell that she kind of remembers what was going on. She'll say right now I'm hiding and I'm on a forest and she's hiding behind a tree and she does the funny things that I need to follow her because she's kind of a weird. I don't know.

She's locked herself in her home so she doesn't get out. She's married or has a partner of some sort because he's in there as well. Make sure he doesn't. She doesn't do something.

Yeah, but it's funny. I don't have to look for her in the wrong way. I mean, if you want to take talking to search for sleepwalk, you're probably going to write up a long way. And while you're out through TikTok, get our TikTok.

The same was like, yep. Advanced paranormal, right? Was it an advanced doctor? Advanced doctor in one of the two.

Okay. So one of the things that if you think you're having sleepwalk, as well, you are having sleep palaces, you know, you want to take care of the medical problems if there are any medical problems. One of the things that I saw several times was keep it general, you know, like a dream journal, but keep it sleep for hours in a journal because when you go to the doctor, it helps doctors to know everything. You know, people in the whole bunch of items, right?

Right. You can only assume, right? So, you know, not only maybe keep a little journal of when it happens, you know, whenever you think it's important, when did you eat the night before, when did you go to sleep, just journal everything. And then know your medical history.

If possible, I realize that sometimes if you're adopted or whatever, that could be a little difficult. But if you know it, you'll be prepared to answer that too because the more information that has, the better they can diagnose and treat whatever the simple. Well, like I said, this isn't an uncommon thing, but it shouldn't be a frequently occurring thing, right? We see people who have cases of this, but if this is something that's happening on a regular basis, we need to determine if there's an underlying cost.

Do you have sleep apnea? Do you have narcolepsy? And those are things that we can actually test and quantify and, you know, can effectively treat, which may fix the problem. You know, it's easy to, like I said, I've had it happen one time.

I didn't go seek out, you know, a doctor to say, Hey, what happened? But if it was something that was happening to me every week, yeah, I'd probably go get a lot to make sure there's everything's okay. Let's say you take care of the medical thing first, and it just does not seem to be healthy. You've done the doctor, you've done all your sleep apnea, you know, you've given the proper medical history to the best of your knowledge and you're still having it.

Then maybe give us a call and that's going to see if it is something paranormal because I won't rule that completely out. I was going to say if you feel like you've been probed, maybe give us a call. Please take it. I'm just saying, or maybe if you've got scratches on your body, those are not normal things.

I mean, they're probably some bruising. Yeah, that's not normal with sleep paralysis. Just saying. So I've got some stories of some night time visitors and you can put it in the medical aspect.

You can put it in a paranormal aspect. So, but here's some stories. And if you read, if you remember Romeo and Juliet, there's a little nighttime sleep paralysis visitor and shaker, but we're not going to go there. So a witch, witches are very common and it happens worldwide.

It's not just, you know, a certain area. They get, we get witch stories from the United States, Brazil, Newfoundland, Germany, Scandinavia. Is this in conjunction with stories in conjunction with sleep paralysis? Yeah, just, you know, when you're, you know, Doxy is a werewolf, some people see witches.

And these generally involve a witch. Sometimes they refer to him as a hag or some woman of some sort who sits on the sleepers chest that induces terrifying dream and causes the inability to breathe and move. And during the European and American witch trials, you know, in the 17th century, this is one of the things that when they were trying witches, they would accuse them of peaking people from sleeping and chipped with the Antwick cat. So that's where we get some of the cat folklore.

It's from these witches that sit on people's chest and then they're translating to them. Yeah, it's a very classic story is something sitting on the chest because, and I think from a sleep paralysis standpoint, it's a matter of you can't breathe and your brain's trying to make sense of why and you're still kind of in that dream phase. And so it's like, oh, there's something terrifying sitting on my chest making it difficult for me to breathe. I had that happen once and it was the cat sitting on my chest, get it turned into a witch.

It was just a cat. It was the cat. It's like Leo, get off now. Our cat trying to murder you.

It's not the cat. So another very common one oddly enough is a ghost, a bigger for about 2000 years of the population countries. Sleep paralysis was attributed to ghosts laying on top of it. And in some legends, they ghost recently to cease locals or relatives.

And in others, it's like some specific ghost that's maybe not necessarily related. It's just always there. So an example is in Thailand, it's believed that sleep paralysis is caused by a widow ghost known as phi am who sleeps on the chest of these sleep paralysis victims. And to defend against her, there would be men that would put lipstick on before going to bed because they thought if we were lipstick, this female ghost isn't going to come next with us.

So if you go to Thailand, the man's wearing the lipstick, I mean, in these days, they're going to be busy. They will probably proposition you. Probably trying to keep sleep paralysis. Or they're going through a transition.

Just don't ask. It's really business. Mind your own. So, even anybody surprised by my demons now?

That's what I ran into. So this is the most commonly occurring in Middle Eastern African countries. And it's attributed to, again, the demons crouching on the chest in order to suffocate them because they're evil and they're trying to kill you. And this dated back even to ancient Arabian mythology, and they believed that it was winged demons and pounced on the chest of the sleepers who had not been praying because they prayed by time today.

And so, you know, taking only three times today, you got suffocate generously. I'm going to trampoline your chest. Let's do it. Pretty hardcore.

So, and this was only about 20 years ago. There was actually some mass hysteria along the coast of East Africa about a winged humanoid. So I always just go right to Wizard of Oz. The flying monkeys?

Yeah. So that winged humanoid, that part of the state. And his name was Popobawa. That's hard to say to.

Not as hard as that winged humanoid. It's not in East Africa. It didn't stumble over Popobawa. And he assaulted and crushed the chest of sleeping victims and thought that this was only 20 years ago.

And there's like massive scary vampires, very common, in slothrowses. With a really close to that point. So there's a helicopter today. I can hear this time.

We like to play this game of what kind of hell conference are there. You go outside this game. Okay. Okay.

That's very, very sure that the NSA helicopters. Oh, great. Awesome. I'm not sure.

I know we like to work the NSA too. So that vampires of course are under individuals, right, who not only will cause this look paralysis of the messenger blood, this is most common, shockingly enough in southeastern Europe, and was really, really big in the 18th century. When vampires were really, really popular? Yes.

And they're not the sparkly vampires that we think of today. Thanks to Twilight for not at work. Nope. These were always- Oh, I'm sucking feet.

I know. No sparkly desire clothes. These were usually bloated and ruddy. Oh.

Wait, what? That's lovely. The vampires were bloated and ruddy? Bloated and ruddy.

That is not what I was picturing when I was thinking of the vampire. So not even a braam stoker. Kind of. Or even the fan-helsing girls?

No. Not them either. They said bloated and ruddy. I'm going to pass on this vampire.

Thanks. No, no. No, no, not them. No, no, no.

Nope. Nope. So it says that the diaries of Bran stoker, the creator, actually his ideas are Dracula stemmed from the sleep paralysis episode that we had. Oh.

And his hallucination was a woman trying to kiss him on the neck. And so it was kind of Dracula. Yeah, nasty. Yep.

Okay. And then again, these are shocking the alien. A lot of people who have the alien experiences. And in the 1950s, there was just an explosion of alien abductions, alien movies, and human things.

And so, you know, testimonies of people in North America, primarily, you know, being abducted. And people were claiming that they were paralyzed couldn't move, dreaming with fear, not being able to do anything out of your standard sleep paralysis symptoms. And many of these also described feeling themselves floating to the sky and bright lights. And probing.

See? Go back. I told you so. You got your probing action.

Just say. Right. So those are kind of the main five. Yeah.

They all have that classic overlay of I am defenseless. I can't move. There is something that may have male intent and it's either attacking me or, you know, at least creating fear. And there seems like different levels.

Like there's kind of the level where there's something just out of sight or something that you're not able to see or move kind of what your experience with the werewolf, right? Or, but the other seemed very involved where there's something happening right to them and being at as they're in the middle of doing it. They're being affected by aliens or something that's going on visually within them. Right.

And where I think this is a, you know, where this is a transition from kind of non-rem to REM sleep, I think some of that may be dependent on how close you are to actual REM, whether it's more dream-like or whether it's more based in reality with some strange overlays. You know, if you're on one end of that spectrum when the consciousness occurs, you know, maybe you'll be more apt to have a bit of dream and a more realistic feeling dream, I guess. I mean, even mindful, pretty real. But I could tell I was in my bedroom and I could tell, you know, everything looked the same.

I could just feel that presence on the side. I don't know if that was just my mind trying to explain why I wasn't able to move. But for me, it wasn't, you know, it wasn't super-discrit. Like I said, I couldn't even see it until I basically turned my head and heard a big sound and woke up all the way.

But maybe these people that are being lifted in the air or transported into the space ships or whatever. We're gonna get so much hate now. Not telling everyone how to sleep or else this is gonna be great. Maybe they're just closer to REM sleep.

Like I said, I do believe a small percentage could be paranormal. So if you believe there's a paranormal, we're not, we're not. We're calling him. So I didn't run across some old remedies for sleep problems.

This will be interesting. We already heard. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Yeah, maybe you can use the remedies. I've got a seat bath. If you've got sleep apnea, sleep hygiene, go to bed at the same time.

Take your medicines for narcolepsy and get on an anti-apressed. If you're dealing with that. Can you shock therapy? Yeah, no electroshock therapy.

But I'm excited to hear about these like, like, folk medicines. Oh, you're gonna like this. So back in the day, they used to find, and we've talked about anti-bessins like it was before. And I think a long time ago, we did an episode where we've touched on those.

And that's something we'll get into more in depth at some point because it's on my list of stuff to talk about. But there was, you back in the old days, they refer to these more as incubus and succubus. And they said that the cures, the cures, I'm using my air quotations. We can see that.

Or they can't imagine my books. So they said that some of these remedies were more frightening than the sleep paralysis themselves. So there was a Byzantine physician named Paulus, a genet, a genet, a genet, I have no idea how that is pronounced. So if you're familiar with that language, sorry.

And this is in the seventh century. And he had seven books on history of medicine in the seventh century. So boy, he has no idea what the story does. So among these books, he explains the most common way to treat sleep paralysis.

And this is, quote, bleeding, drastic pergatives, and friction of the extremities. All right. So I'm assuming this has to do with balancing those humors. Probably.

And he said that he would place the focus on the head as a source of the problem, suggesting that if the above treatment did not work, the cupping and scarification of the throat, a restricted diet and shaving of the head would cure this issue. Yeah, that makes sense. Cure it for me because I wouldn't report it again after an initial treatment. No one ever complains of sleep paralysis.

You're going to start having sleep paralysis episodes about this guy coming and slitting your throat. Geez. You're wear wolf is changed in the doctor's face. Oh my gosh.

Yeah. We're that everyone was cured after this. So we're going to fast forward to the 10th century. Okay.

So we've had a lot of 300 years in there. 200 years of improvement. And it was a Persian, polymyth, and his name, again, I'm going to slaughter this. Akhawani Bukhari.

And he was subscribed to the ancient theory of humorism. And he believed that nightmares were caused by vapors of Flem, ascending from the stomach to suffocate the brain during sleep. That's where he thought this came from. And so his theory was obviously different than the first fellows.

But his treatment was not a whole lot different. In 300 years, you'd think you'd come up with something a little different. But they just did bloodline. He's like, you can't sleep or you can't wake up.

Let's just take a look at blood out. Right. I'm trying to figure out the flamethrin. I guess, you know, someone had sleep out of me and you could say, oh my gosh, so I know bad.

Maybe there's flamethrin. I don't know. I was making sounds like there's consciousness. The flam is trying to start to get the brain.

Why do they do it with the blood? Like a dialysis? Like are they filtering on the blood out? And then they don't.

Oh, no, no. I ain't going back in. No, we're just draining it out. So they did the George Washington.

Right before death. And just suddenly just like, just like, just like, just went to open up to me. It's much better when you lose consciousness from blood loss. Yeah.

I feel better already. And then blood loss will just pass out. And you'll go straight to sleep. No sleep paralysis, guys.

Just unconsciousness. Because you have no blood flow to your brain. So let's move to what they refer to as the Christian era. So imagine the age of enlightenment when the paranormal kind of is getting very, very popular.

And so they at this time thought everything was demonic. Everything's demonic. It's not medical at all. And so they were treated with prayers and exorcisms.

Well, working better. And so that's not how they treated it. These weren't like leading prayers or whatever. I was going to say, yeah.

Just regular sacrifice. Well, okay. And then there's a fellow named John Bond. And every time I look at this, I see James Bond.

I'm thinking James Bond. And that's what I'm going to say. John Bond. Not James Bond.

James Bond. Probably a few greats. I don't know. So this one's the creepiest in my opinion.

To be right honest with you. So he's still called it in Incubus or the demons. He's still kind of had that paranormal thought going on. So an Incubus is male and a succubus is female.

Was I correct? Correct. Should we spend it? We all nodded.

Yes. Yes. All of you can hear us nod. What he would do is he would poke the afflicted person for pin or shake them to a wackel state, which is probably the scariest thing you could do to someone temporarily immobilized in a hallucinoid state, other than maybe blood-lighting.

You know. They're already terrified and cat moves. You're going to shake them a bunch. Let's just bring you.

Not your life. You're imagining vampires? Let's just poke them out at the fan. I'm just going to spin.

Just finish out this whole dream sequence. Still not moving yet. Just keep going. It's going to break.

Give it time. That was his story. It's a shake-awake system. Just go wake up.

Just go at it. I think I would much rather have an opportunity to try to come to bed. Let's start with that. Wow.

I'm really glad I didn't want to come to the minnesota because they didn't agree for stuff. We were making pretty good progress getting into the hall. So the prayer is kind of thing. We took a little bag there.

I'm just going to do something. And now it's like, mmm. No. Did you say you had some stories?

I do. I have some stories that you're going to make me get my magic glasses on. I don't mind. I can see.

I can see. They just look like regular reading glasses to me. I've been trying to do that like the whole library and look. Look over.

This is my sexy library and look. It's not my graduate. There you go. I used to go on the green.

I'm going to get back up. I got my glasses on. So today would warrant it. Today would warrant me if I'm trying to send them in here.

We have Reddit user jr. 756. He said he needs some help to see if this is sleep paralysis. This is kind of where we talked about before.

He says one night I was getting ready to go to bed and closing my eyes and ready to sleep. One minute later I heard footsteps coming closer to me and I felt like someone was on me. They were behind me watching me sleep. But I was wide awake.

But eyes closed. I could move still. But I didn't want to because I was afraid. My heart was racing.

Racing. And beating fast. So I just opened my eyes and moved and turned my light on quick and didn't feel scared no more. But every time I wanted to close my eyes to go to sleep again, I felt afraid to sleep again because of the sleep paralysis.

So that was kind of where we kind of talked about. He wasn't even asleep yet. He was just kind of thinking about it. I've got your answer already.

Okay. I'm going for it. This is not sleep paralysis by definition because he could still move. Right.

Right. Right. He's having a dog to hallucination. Okay.

So a hit the dog to hallucination is a hallucination you have just prior to falling asleep. And so that include you know when you're just falling asleep. It feels like your bed just dropped about 10 feet. Shaking awake thing.

I'm not sure if that's considered hallucination. It's a really odd sensation of falling. I guess that would be hallucination in a sense because you have a perception that's not real. Right.

Because I've had that kind of probably a type of hypnagogic hypnagogic hypnagogic is when you're waking up. I'm pretty sure I've got this. But I have the definition because there was some some doc that sent me out this little list. And he's not right.

Right. Um, hypnagogic or hit let's see visual hypnagogic or let's see the occur of the transition from wakefulness to sleep. It's hypnagogic. So this is a this is a hypnagogic hallucination.

And so the other one that I ran across while there were different things that we can confuse the sleep paralysis was delirium. So delirium is an abrupt change in the brain that causes mental confusion and emotional disruption. It makes it difficult to think, remember sleep, pay attention and more. You might experience delirium during alcohol withdrawal or after surgery or with dementia.

So when I read that one, that one hit home for me because I just a few weeks ago had a colonoscopy. And when I went in for my colonoscopy, when they were getting ready to knock me out, then I was like, a lot of people really enjoyed this. And this is like a medication vacation. You're going to get a really good rest and really enjoy it like good for you.

And I'm okay. That sounds great. So I'm getting ready to go to sleep and then aesthesiologist is there and his name has been. And I'm like, thanks, Ben.

I can't wait for this vacation. Well, when I woke up, I woke up crying harder than I've ever cried like my dad had just died type of a thing and they could not console me for hours. I made them reach underneath my bed and grab my phone so I could FaceTime my son because I didn't trust them. I didn't know who they were.

I didn't know what I was doing there. And I certainly didn't just go on a medication vacation. It sounds like a terrible vacation. It was a terrible vacation.

And I kept asking my nurse, well, what did you do to me that I'm remembering this that you don't want me to remember? So when I grab my phone and I FaceTime my son, I'm like, oh, FaceTiming. And I'm like, oh, yeah, because he needs to see what's going on around here. This is crazy.

It is. This is crazy. And I don't know if I should be trusting you. So when I read that, I was like, I get it.

And I wish somebody would have actually explained that to me because when I was asking the nurse what happened, he had no freaking idea. Yeah. So delirium is an interesting thing. Delirium is always based in some type of medical or physiologic event, right?

Whether that's infection or whether that's medication or whether that's, it's something that has a medical route to it. In fact, this happens a lot in the emergency department. When I work, I'll have patients that come in that have psychosis, for example. And one of my jobs as a medical physician, as medical doctor, is to rule out delirium as a cause because if they have delirium, a psychologist isn't going to be able to help that, right?

If this person is acting crazy because they have a terrible infection or they have an encephalitis infection that's affecting the brain or something like that, I have to be certain that their condition is rooted in psychosis. It's rooted in a psychogenic behavioral health component as opposed to a medically derived problem. And so I have a medication, same thing that can make people act funny. I use a medicine called ketamine, quite a bit, or sedations when we're setting bones and people who have fractures.

And it's an interesting thing, kids do really well with it. Usually they'll have the, this medicine is an amnestic, it causes amnesia. It's also hallucinogenic. People use it on the street under the name of special K.

I don't give them special K. I laughed so far in the emergency department. But how did you know this though? It's called special K.

She don't give me a special K. But what it does is it creates amnesia, it's a pain medicine, but it also creates hallucinations. And it's dose dependent depending on how much you are given can actually affect the type of hallucinations that you have. And kids, like I said, most of the time they have very pleasant hallucinations.

It's like maimos and unicorns and cotton candy. They're usually like, when they're coming out of it, they're smiling and laughing and blowing kisses. I've had a couple of patients. I've had to use it on adults, which I don't love to do, but sometimes it's the best medicine.

A guy come out screaming that he was in a trapezoid. I'm not quite sure how you end up in a two-dimensional object, but he was and he just said they're screaming, I'm in a trapezoid. I'm in a trapezoid. And he did not love the effect of the medication, obviously, because he remembered coming out of it.

I had people tell, you know, the alien abduction stories all around ketamine was another thing that I've seen people express. But this is all drug delirium is what this is. We're drug psychosis if you take long-term stuff like amphetamines, but you get people that sometimes come in that are not in touch with reality and they're experiencing drug psychosis, which is also, you know, a big differentiator for us. A psychiatrist isn't going to help somebody who's having psychosis related to drug use.

The answer to that is some stuff using drugs, right? But your experience sounds a lot like you had a bad trip. That's exactly what the first one made up. You just had a bad trip.

You got into some special K or something and you had a bad trip. That's hilarious. You use those words. I was like, I need to understand then.

What was this bad trip? I'm in the art doc. I use all sorts of words. Especially medical terms like wonky.

I'll use wonky sometimes. I started in my residency. We learned to say wonky. I use that word something.

Or goopy. Or gunk. Yeah, I say all sorts of things. People are like, what?

This guy's a doctor. Sure am. And there's a coach in that. There's the certificate in the wall.