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She was what she was petit correct She's usually a little tiny thing so she's petit and when we clean our room our room is neat So it's like petit and neat or I'm dating the cheerleader who's petit, which is kind of neat So petit neat. It's not pete neat. That is wrong. Patit neat three syllables.
Everyone say petit neat petit neat Okay opposite from large and grungy your petit and petit neat and try to spell that son of a bitch when you're five years old Exactly. Okay. If we had if castle and I had to spell it y'all can say it correctly All right, there we go petit neat. All right, so we're just gonna jump into our main topic Yeah, but we'll talk about those next time Counter down there.
We've got library presentations out the wazoo But the things that are current are going to be petit neat petit neat and our Our ghost stories at zerails and if you're jumping at the bit to know what other items run the calendar that the end is skipping over They can be found at events purnable.com or wish that org go to the events calendar and all the events are currently being updated currently Yes, we have so many so many that if I were to talk about them all on this podcast We wouldn't have time for other stuff and we did get dates for the indian hills for haunted house We'll be getting up on there soon. Yes. We're both for school sairnights and non-sairnights Yes, so In october all of our we have three podcasts in october We also have a bonus podcast which you can get access to if you're a patreon So if you want to hear about that one, it's actually going to be book of the dead which we will record soon So hop on a patreon if you want to get those extra ones But what we're doing in october are things that happened on halloween night So the first thing we are going to talk about is the headless horseman of sleepy hallow So this really is probably one of the most famous ghost stories in american folklore I think y'all would agree with me. I'm not saying the most one of the most which is the legend of sleepy hallow This was written by washington Irving at the tale of agabod crane rambones and of course the headless horseman And he rode on halloween night Now this has been around and in our imaginations for over 200 years But there's a lot more to the story than just a spooky ride through the night So let's saddle up and head into sleepy hallow So first off let's just talk a little bit about where the story comes from Washington Irving published the legend of sleepy hallow in 1820 And it was in a collection that he had called the sketchy book of jeffrey crayon gent That book if you're familiar with it also gives us the story of bam mingle So at the time america was really the young nation and Irving was one of the first authors to really put american folklore on the map So when he wrote he liked to blend satire A little bit of gothic mysteries some humor and he created a ghost story that was just spooky and really uniquely american So When you guys think of the headless horseman do you think he meant for the story to be scary or more Una satirical kind of vein, you know, I've never read the original version of sleep on hallow I've seen all the adaptations.
It's kind of like Dickens or christmas carol There's like a million adaptations of sleepy hallow But I think almost every single app that adaptation wow English is really not my friend tonight I think every single adaptation that i've seen focuses on the spooky side So I haven't even really thought about it from a satirical standpoint So i'm curious to maybe dig into it and read it and just see because I've always thought it was spooky I'm gonna have to agree. I have never read this. I'll just throw that out there But i've seen several different adaptations of it on tv and this is only cast along grip in the same family Right So maybe we will We've seen cartoon versions of it and once on tv, but i'm gonna say the same thing to me They were meant to be a little scarier that being said i've never read brown stalker's Dracula either And I bought it just the other day. I'm a read it so and then I have read Me too Good Yeah, so i'm gonna have to put legend a spooky hallow on my winter reading list I was gonna be short because I think it's sleeping hallow spooky hallows like three pages So here's another question to think about even though so chat and dreak have you read this my chance?
I haven't I haven't either Okay, so we're all gonna repent and read this and we'll report later on it But you know the basic story of this right? So when you think of this particular ghost story just the headless horseman, okay Out of so many Why do you think that this one has stuck around for 200 plus years? For me, I think it's just because it's an all-american ghost story. It could really even though it takes place In the north eastern united states really could take place anywhere and I think we've all grown up with that spooky Folklore from where we're from I know from Ian Raven There was an old mill by the pace and swing before we grew up and there was folklore There's like a weird possessed doll that would like kill you if you went in the mill and looking back now So I don't think that was ridiculous But I remember as a kid I was terrified of that mill But I think every single one of us has had some folklore like that growing up and The sleepy hallow story just the bodies of that same folklore for every single one of us even though it's one unique story I think we can all relate to it Just as that it could be in my backyard feel what the folklore of that makes sense and then the imagery You know of a dark figure on a black horse in your head the imagery of the cape and the headless horseman And you can just see even with it was a Disney adaptation but one of the cartoons it has it You can just get the fear of Ichabod in there, but just the images Are awesome and they stick with you And for me, it's just going into the whole ghost thing You've got a horse.
There's a man on it. He has no head And he's got a pumpkin in his arm And I don't know that's in the actual story But that's in one of the cartoons For me, it's just the the ghostly aspect of it Next up we have Where stories takes place on Halloween night in the little village of sleepy hallow near Terrytown, New York Irving describes it as a place steeped the superstition where everyone believes in ghosts and haunted places The valley the misty woods the lonely churchyard. They're not just the background The setting itself feels alive like character in the story Irving makes sleepy hallow seem like a dreamlike pocket out of the world where the supernatural just fits right in Oh, absolutely if you think about it the setting of sleepy hallow and how it adds to the ghost story That's not frolicking in a In a field of daisies I imagine any any time you say sleepy hallow, I imagine dark I imagine just old ancient trees. I imagine Victorian houses.
I imagine an old mossy graveyard. How about you guys? I think of dead leaves rustling in the wind I think of trees that have shed their leaves with because it's fall that Christmas in the air That just dark starting to get dark earlier at night so that these woods are dark Strange animal sounds just the whole Vibe of sleep hallow just screams halloween And just all the things that raven said plus like I said all the leaves rusting in the wind And it just begs for a ghost story and I think that's why I kind of resonate so much Absolutely Drake Chad. What are you when you hear?
The legend of sleepy hallow where headless horseman what imagery comes to your mind? Well, it brings me right into the halloween Season even when you hear about it when it's not halloween it can just transport you right into that That field just thinking about it just like what castle is saying the ambiance Of sleepy hallow and the story that's going on. You're just you transport Right into a halloween Field I mean it's ice picture like cobblestone road trees on both sides that you don't see the sky of you literally The trees overwhelm just blocks everything out especially when it's dark maybe one or two lampposts lighting everything and Just as good as that creepy That creepy feel Absolutely So I think we all have generally the same idea and I bet you if we were able to pull our listeners and say hey When you think of this what do you think of it? I think everybody's gonna feel the same thing Here's a question for you though If we were to put this story into a busy city setting then let me set the stage a little bit Several years ago Leonardo DiCaprio was in a version of Romeo and Juliet that was set in modern times There were cars It was all the same verbiage as if you were just go to regular old Shakespeare play but the setting was different What do you guys think if we took legend of sleepy hallow and put it in some sort of a city setting do you think it would work as well?
No, thanks a lot. I think you're looking at that's why we have Friday the 13th and that Marnum Street I think this just the ambiance and just the spookiness of what's hiding in the woods is what makes it so scary I've seen that version of Romeo and Juliet where their guns are named like rapier and stuff like that And that one actually worked, but I don't think this one would I just don't think you have that same spook factor by downtown New York or downtown Salt Lake or Even downtown Quent or whatever small city you want to Talk about I just don't think it works I think the woods in and of themselves are part of the character or a character in and of themselves the whole villages if that makes sense Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me I think it would be harder to put it in a modern setting. This is almost a little bit of a time capsule with the story And that doesn't mean that you can't have a reinterpretation of it. There couldn't be something else done Much like Dracula is a time capsule in that period and yet we have vampire Adaptations now that are very very popular, but the story some of the genesis of the story can be the same But it's it's a different story.
It's a different feel and a different I don't know different Just a different feeling I guess for the whole story the original Dracula and we're a little bit spoiled by it now We were talking about this earlier at dinner about Dracula with our son and he was talking about it And he said it's really important That we all know about Dracula and vampires everything else, but when this was written back in the 1800s the late 1800s It was a mystery The vampire there were vampires in those that lore but the story of Dracula everybody in today's media savvy age knows about Dracula and all of that When this story was written it was almost a hoo done it That came out it wasn't just oh and then there's this vampire and the note the end from the beginning But can you imagine when you first Were reading that story back in the 1880s or 1890s when it was made It was all new and you didn't have that's Everything was new and you didn't have that knowing what the end was gonna be And I think I was just sitting here thinking while everyone was talking I think the only way you could put this in a busy city setting Would be like like the walking dead where it's some Post-apocalyptic thing and the buildings are all shambles, but I think it's still a lose It's americana charm as it were even then. Yeah one more quick thing on that The idea that We're dracula into that book is I don't know what the word would be We know what the ending is even before we read it doesn't mean you can't still enjoy it And I got thinking about it and it's like think about the first time you saw the success And nobody had told you about what the ending was and how it worked and how impactful that was and it's great every other time But there's nothing like the first time and I think with that dawning comprehension And if you haven't seen it as like way old But there's this at the end there's just this dawning comprehension where you go oh And you never get that idea? Yeah, and I think it's that way and pulling it back to Ichabod Crane and that it's what's that ending and how does that work? And I think that's you get quite a bit of that And I think Ichabod Crane a little bit is the same way as like the dracula story We all know about it because of all the other things culturally wise and we don't quite get that That first like a child would get watching it not having the other that other exposure But as we're older and we've done it we've had enough exposure to it even if we haven't like us haven't actually read the short story in the book We know about it and we know of it because of other things but it would be more powerful With the first time like the sixth sense like other things Speaking of Ichabod, let's jump into Ichabod and talk about him just a little bit So Ichabod's one of the literature's great oddballs If you think about it in most books movies even back then your hero was like the dashing handsome guy Or your heroine was like the most beautiful person ever well Ichabod was a weirdo Bluntly he describes me tall gangly.
He's an awkward school teacher from Connecticut Irving actually almost even paints him like a scarecrow comes to life He describes me as having a long nose gangly arms Says he's a glutton when it comes to food which I can attest to when it comes to it. I can relate And if you watch I think it's the Disney version back in the day. He had like a ginormous Adam's apple Oh, that's right. I forgot a long long neck and then this yeah huge Adam's apple very scary crow looking And a super high pitchy voice Yeah, and the thing I like about he's also describes being superstitious to the core And while he's supposed to be an educated outsider He's just as kind of in the ghost stories as the townsfolk He's just as freaked out by the stories as the people telling stories So he's already on edge One thing about Ichabod Crane though, and I do know this from the story He's kind of a jerk He's into Katrina Vantassel but he's into Katrina Vantassel not only because she's pretty But because he's a school teacher and poor and she is a vantassel and has lots and lots of money And a big farm and so he's into Katrina for all the wrong reasons and all the right reasons Depending on what kind of a queen you look at But he's both comic relief and a tragic figure kind of rolled into one So given those two dynamics, what do you guys think is he like a hero?
Is he fool? What are your thoughts on Ichabod? I have never thought of Ichabod and I go back again. I haven't read it And when you read it, there's all these nuances that aren't in the movies But in every movie portrayal I have seen Which is maybe two or three.
He's always come across as the fool. I've never really thought of him as a hero He's never struck me as a hero either I'm in the first time I saw the Disney one because that's the one I was most familiar with I was kind of like, well wait, the hero died because he was the main character and the main character doesn't die But he was kind of a weird goofy guy. I don't know that I'd ever describe as a hero So Now that being said The way he's described He's gangly. He's like a scarecrow.
He's kind of goofy looking. He's awkward But if you say to me Headless Horseman I don't envision that one. The one that I envision Is some studdly dude that doesn't have his head and he's got the ruffles in his shirt He's built so He's a dead fancy lad So I think in some ways, even though if you read the original story and some of those older movies He's gangly and awkward and weird He I think he's been romanticized over the years to be a little more studdly and cool The Headless Horseman, you mean? Oh, I'm thinking the Headless Horseman, not a kabot, nevermind Yeah, I'm making a fuser for a second because I don't think a kabot's a fancy lad I thought the Headless Horseman's a fancy lad Yeah, I'm getting a mix up Sorry Let me ask you this and this question may be moot because none of y'all have actually read this book Do you guys think Katrina Mantas will have any actual interested in a kabot or was she just playing along or what do you guys think?
My money's on, I think she's a player. I think she's flirty. He's a stranger. She's being flirty, but I don't know if you need her.
He's like school teacher and educated and an outsider So he's probably a hot commodity coming into town That Adam's apple though? Well, I know he's gangly but educated I'm just throwing that out there She's got to find something interesting and if she's high-born and that and she's willing to flirt and do the there's something there that she finds at least worthy of flirting with But you say that and as I'm thinking about that This is taking place in the early 1800s in a small village where people are probably marrying their cousin And so that maybe I've just attracted a kabot based on the fact that he's not her cousin I don't know if that's a factor or not, but that maybe a factor in her favor I should also add back then also education was worth more than money Especially if you're not a cousin Right. I think she liked the attention Regardless of you can't imagine that she would be enamored with him like the way they describe him I think she just liked to toy. I like says 1800s really 1800s Facebook gal that's seeking attention from everybody around.
She's a player looking for her simp So anyway in addition to Ichabod the story has a character that's known as brombones And her brombones he's Ichabod's rival Abraham Van Brunt nickname brombones is basically the opposite of Ichabod He's strong. He's confident. He's the local hero. He's loud He's brash and he's been known for pulling pranks The two complete they compete for the hand of Katrina Van Tassel farmer's daughter Some versions of the story even suggest that brom might have disguised himself as the headless horseman to get Ichabod out of the picture Once and for all whether or not that's true the rivalry gives the story its tension And I got thinking about that just that description of Abraham Van Brunt Immediately went to Beauty and the Beast and the description of Beth Gowne or guest on and that and I can just I can see that and I do wonder if in Beauty and the Beast if the creators of the Disney movie used Abraham Van Brunt as an archetype for guest on Okay, so do you think that brom was behind the headless horseman all along or was the headless horseman supernatural?
What are your feelings? That's one thing I actually really do like about the story and at least in the Disney version since I'm such a cultured man And I've definitely not read actual book but Based on the Disney one that's one thing I remember to get that kind of like this it was a mystery It's like was the or the woods really haunted or was this just like a fancy murderer? It leaves you know that hanging and I kind of like that because You can go either way if you're a skeptic you could say well brom just use that as a an easy out to get rid of Ichabod or if you are a believer you make no headless horseman got Ichabod and brom is Exonerated it's on reddit. Yeah See the supernatural lover in me really just the thing about books that you can always interpret them the way you want and so The romantic in me makes the headless horseman supernatural But true crime is interesting though too, so it goes either way.
Oh, yes I can't sleep at night unless we watch as we call them killings And that's not because I have a fascination with murder. I like watching how they solve the murders. Thank you very much So much happiness appears from the show. We're gonna He just said what copies tonight piece away and sleep with that pillow over his face She makes sure about the insurance in effect.
She's called the insurance company. Is the insurance in effect yet today? Is it an effect today? Yeah So yeah, I just I even though I don't know I like to think that's It's maybe a little bit of both like someone said they saw something then he fed off of it Yeah, absolutely and the beautiful thing is when you read a book And they leave it a little bit open ended like that If we were to pull everybody that has read this book, which obviously will not be us yet I think everyone might have a little different idea.
I'll never say hi. Just kidding All right, so who is the headless horseman apparently I tried to mix it up with Ichabod crying just a minute ago According to legend he is the ghost of a hesian soldier From the revolutionary war who lost his head to a cannonball in battle So if you listen to our dead talks we talk about residual ghosts, this could kind of be a residual ghost But where he's going around doing his thing, but can also be an intelligent hunt He rides at night in search of his missing head, which I would with my head were lost I would go looking for it He usually haunts the area around the old churchyard and Irving may have borrowed from some European folklore, which we're actually gonna get to in a little bit Because headless writers also appear in some other countries But he grounded it in american soil by tying it to the revolutionary war, which makes total sense Because at the time the revolutionary war Still would have been far removed, but it would have been a lot more recent for them like World War II is a little bit more recent for us So you take that mix of history and the supernatural terror That would have been getting close to the time of the whole spiritual movement This is a little pre spiritual movement, but roughly about that same time And it just makes the headless horseman just a very chilling figure in american folklore So if you think about that, why do you think the image of a headless writer is so terrifying? For me, I think it has to do a lot with the fact that you can't see the face it's almost like the halloween series or Right of the 13th what makes michael mire so scary or what makes Jason so scary? It's the fact that you can't see their face.
It's just it's a mask And master terrifying because you can't read some of his emotions with a mask you can't see into their eyes and I think not having a head is That times 10 they don't have a head and then while they're searching for their head Well, let's spooking in of itself But I really think I should do the fact that when you can't see someone's eyes you can't see their face It just lends a lot more Fear into anything because that's how we communicate When i'm talking to somebody I look at their face and if I say something and they get a poof face I know I've said something offensive But if I say something they smile I know I said something that they like or Most of our communication is an unverbal so someone doesn't have a face or they don't have a head You lose that and that's scary in and of itself Oh, yeah, and you see the figure walking towards you and there's no head Bigger saying to yourself that's gotta be a ghost because you can't walk around without a head And that's I think just time back into it. You said you don't have a head That's scary. It's like where's the head? How's that moving?
How was it animated? How where to go? What happened? I think there's just a lot of it throws out a lot more questions than answers Well, let's be honest if we're in a zombie apocalypse and whatever's going after you doesn't have a head you're in trouble Exactly.
Can't mind you though. Yeah, how do you kill with a headshot? I doesn't have one exactly So where he tied this to the Revolutionary War Does that make this story more believable using it? I'm gonna say yes because if you think about it if zaman never tried to tell a story Well, let me back that a little bit One of my favorite things in the world is statement analysis It's taking something that someone had written and finding the truth or the false odor the deception and the statement It's honestly super interesting science But one of the things that was taught in the course that I took was it is hard to manufacture truth in a vacuum Which means if I tell you make a story right now You're gonna have a much harder time coming up with a detailed convincing story than if you recount to me what you did today Between the hours of noon and right now Because one doesn't experience you've had one you're trying to fill up a vacuum and in the telling of the story I think Irving Washington did a fantastic job of filling in the vacuum by saying okay I've got a ghost, but what's the source of my ghost?
He's not there's just not some random ghost in the forest It's the Revolutionary War ghost and the Revolutionary War is a real event Which begs the question to the average reader of was there a Hessian soldier? Is there a real head in the sourceman? It lends some fictional truth to the story if that makes sense yeah, and you're within about 40 years of the Revolutionary War So it's not current events, but it's not ancient history for us It's getting there, but at the time of the publication of the story in 1820s That's pretty current like World War II is to us World War II is much further away from us now than this would be this would almost be like Vietnam for us Oh, but climax the tale comes after a party at the Vantasil farm Ichabod writes home late at night jittery and jumpy When he encounters the horseman the chase ends at a bridge near the churchyard where the horseman hurls his head Which turns out to be a pumpkin straight Ichabod by morning Ichabod is gone Was he really taken by the ghost or was it bronping plain a prank Irving never says that mystery is part of why the story is endeared for so long It leaves just enough and starting to keep us wondering so Based on everything that we've talked about We're gonna go through what everybody want everyone to think okay We've all at least seen the show So What ending do you guys personally believe do you think this was a ghost or do you think it's a prank? I'm like you.
I actually lean more towards the ghost theory. I like the ghost theory better. I think it's scarier. It's more fun than The whole prank thing because the prank let's be honest.
I'm gonna just speak for the whole entire universe here It's a big prank and Ichabod's is put his pants and ran away and we never came again That's not a fun story. That's a dumb story. It combines other clean and the brown streak out of a shorts and That's not fun. It's just not a good story.
So I'm gonna go with ghost story How about you drink? Gonna go with how I was saying earlier that it was maybe a prank that Ichabod then started feeding to as a way you just maybe just get out of there and Just never be seen again And I like the ghost part. I really do. I just I like the spooky.
I like the creepy The adult in me says it's a really cool prank story if you're gonna do a prank That's a really cool one. Let's face it but When I read the book and when I watch the movie And I have seen the movies I really kind of lean more towards the ghost because I like that better Just just it's a better feel to doesn't it? It's a creepy story And so if he gives it this whole creepy story then that's a prank it's like oh But what here's the beautiful thing is we don't all have to agree And if you all think that as you're listening that the prank was the funnest Run with that I just see all the go about running out of town because you realize that could treat it that tassel's parents or closer cousins and even They come out skippable with and Yeah, I don't know There's an unhealthy obsession with cousins in this episode And unfortunately I feel like it might be my fault and I'm sorry Uh, it's casual fault Chat, chat, chat, what you're not on this I'm thinking Do you like the prank part or do you like the scary ghost part better? I like the scary book ghost part better Why they make it a couple of hours That's why no because I think the idea of the guy pulling the prank is pretty good The pranking but I like the mystery I like the supernatural part of it So do you think that the uncertainty of whether it's a ghost or prank does that make the story scarier or does it make it more funny?
I don't know if I'd ever use the word funny with this particular story See us I've never read it Let's talk about something we've never read We've seen the movie. I've seen the Disney movie It wouldn't be a supernatural hour if we didn't actually talk about something we were totally unqualified to talk about That being said, I think it's scarier. I think just I think the whole it wouldn't be a Halloween classic if it wasn't scary If it was funny, haha, we had a prank. I don't think it would have as many adaptations as dickens christmas carol I I don't know.
I think for the vast majority of everybody out there. It's a spooky story versus a funny story And even even if it was done by them up, it's them up it's my animals and you need to it, but Do do do do do do do do all right, let's talk about the cultural impact of sleepy hallow speaking of a million adaptations So obviously that was worse must become a part of American culture There's a million out of patience has been retold so many ways there's books. There's tv shows films There's Disney's 1949 version My personal favorite that I really really like cuz I like timber it was gothap reimagining in 1999 I saw theaters I loved it. I went and bought it Then I just released back in the day we need to wait six months for movie to come out on DVD And I still watch it regularly.
I actually really like it obviously Johnny Depp is not skinny with a weird Adam Zappell and Katrina Ben-Hassle, which I can't remember her name is in real life. Oh, Kristin Arisi was kind of hot, let's be honest. Drake, I see not or there you do, you're in trouble with Raven. The Pikity Witch, the Pikity Witch, who wants to kiss from the Pikity Witch?
There's just a lot of them out there. Sleeping out of the house of the bridge, ledges with parades, festivals or Halloween celebrations that keep this ghost story alive. Today it's gone more from being like this short story that none of us read that we should have. It's like a cultural phenomenon.
There's just so many things surrounding it. When I was a kid growing up, why don't you watch Disney's Sleepy Hollow in Halloween time? In fact, Raven and I grew up our dad worked for a police department and they used to have a Halloween party every year. And I don't know if you remember this or not, but they used to like Bob Frapples and he would wear your costume and whatever we watched, we watched Sleepy Hollow in Disney's 1949 version.
Honestly, it's just a good ghost tale and it's kind of like Dick and Christmas Carols, kind of like the Halloween staple with so many adaptations and so many versions of it. That's what you guys mind. I love the Johnny Depp version. I've seen it more times than any rational adult human should.
Let's go around the room here. Let's go around the room here and I don't care. So you guys are favorite at your guys. That's like grammar.
What are your favorite versions? Drake. Let's start with you. Ha ha.
I saw you up in your mouth and I dumped a drink because I'm a jerk. I might actually agree with you on that one because Johnny Depp is dick-a-bide. There's honestly there's no one that can actually have done it better. Yeah, for not looking the part, he's cool enough but goofy enough that he could pull it off without it being strange in a bad way.
No, someone that I always thought would be really good for that role and you'd have to go back in time from when it was done would have been Jeff Oldman. For Hicobide. Oh, yes, and I like Jeff Oldman. Yeah, he would have made a good Hicobide.
I think he would have driven me absolutely best shit crazy. He goes on, I don't know if I could handle that. I act when he like he would have done the fly days. So you probably could guess mine because I referred to it 100 times.
Honestly, my favorite version is Disney's 1949 cartoon and there's a reason why. When we were little and Castle, you remember this, this was back in the day where you had to look in TV Guide to see what was coming on next and our dad would come upstairs and say, kids shows, there's kids shows on. He was the one that would, this would happen at Christmas time, this would happen at Halloween. Oh, I love Tally specials.
Yes, and he'd come upstairs and he's like kids, there's kids shows on, so we would watch legends of sleepy hollow, Halloween time we would watch Charlie Brown and the Great Pumpkin. And so it just reminds me of being a kid and dad making sure that we got the kids shows. And I think honestly that was probably one of the first scary shows I ever saw and I just remember thinking, oh, this is so spooky and fun. So I think for me it's just a reminiscent and nostalgia thing.
So let me ask you guys, so we all kind of know what everyone's favorite is. I think most of us have settled on Johnny Depp, except for Raven, because she's different, she has to be never understanding if you're not the same, you're wrong. Okay, so why do you guys think the legend kind of still doesn't exist today? The story is 200 years old.
Why do you guys think it's still so relevant? I think it's unique. You got a lot of vampires and... I mean, it's a werewolf.
It's a werewolf, so witches. And so it's just another genre, the headless horseman. But it's just a little different than everything else. I think it's also because the town itself is embraced and feeds off of it, because you can't have something that's around this long without the area where it's supposed to take place beating into it and helping it along.
Well, yeah, the town's almost a character in and of itself in the story if you think about it. So yeah, it exists much like Salem with the Salem Witch Trails, that there's actually ground zero. I think for me as I think about it, part of why this legend persists so much is not only is it like a unique American ghost story and not only does it focus around this town, I think part of the reason that it persists is because it's tradition. But I also think because there are no clear answers.
I think if the book ended with a braum stabbed about 87 times after Falcon's horse, the end, I don't think it would be as interesting as an unknown ending. It's a mystery ending where everybody's kind of lost scratch and heads going. Was it a prank? Was it real?
I don't know. I think it's a mystery built into the story, keeps it alive because you want to watch a hundred times to see what was the ending. Because I remember the Disney one that Dan's talking about it. They do the traditional ending, you're not sure.
And I think that makes you, even though you're watching the same thing, maybe it's going to end different at the 437 time of scene it won't, but your mind still wants to know what the actual ending is. Alright, so listeners, what do you guys think? Do you think Ichabod Crane was spirited away by a real ghost or do you think he was just outsmarted by braum bones? Either way, Washington Irving really gave us one of the most enduring legends in American history.
Even over 200 years later, he still rides on in our imaginations and every Halloween season is its own Halloween genre. Just keep an eye out on those dark roads because you never know what might be riding behind you. I just want to give a shout out to Radio Ronan. They are amazing.
Castle, I know you work with them a lot. Yes, in fact, I am actually considered a Ronan part of the staff of the Radio Ronan show. Although I don't podcast with them frequently, I do podcast with them on occasion. But I do a lot of their behind the scenes stuff.
If you have any chance to go to the Radio Ronan show, I highly recommend that you do. I know they've got some fun events coming out. They've got their Spook Alley social, where they are all going to be meeting, and going over to the Haunted Forest in American Fork as a group. They frequently do other meetups.
They are doing their t-shirt meetup. And they also have a Patreon section. The one here is better, so you should just be a Patreon here. But if you really want to be a dual Patreon, their goblins are going to be doing it at Ghost Hunt as well.
And so, Radio Roman, it's a great show, so after you've done listening to our episodes, first. Primarily, then Ghost Radio. Then Ghost Radio Ronan. Look at the fire you was a goblin with that kind of talk.
We shall not speak of this. Anyway, Ghost Radio Ronan, it's a great show. There are sponsors along with Castle Plodework, but they have some excellent shows. Alright, Drake, what tool have you got in the Windows web?
I've got the Shri Field today. Ooh, nice. There's two different versions of the Trifield. You have an analog version, which is the one that I have, and it's, I'm never replacing it.
I don't care what anyone says. And then you have the digital. But the Trifield will pick up electric, radio, and microwave. EMF.
And every investigation we do, I have it. It's always on me, I use it. I'd rather use that more than my K2. Because I've had more stuff with it, more evidence that's actually been correlated a lot easier with it.
But the Trifield actually, it's easy to use. On the analog one, you just turn a dial to where you want it to. The digital one, now you press a button. Even though I don't like the digital one, I've played with one.
It does not give as accurate as the analog does. And I like to use mine in conjunction with my other things, because sometimes you'll get something lighting up a lot. And then you'll get down and you're like, oh, there just happens to be a lot of microwaves in the area right now, or a lot of radio waves in the area right now. So I like it for the reasons you do.
But I also like it to help debunking and making sure that what I'm getting at this stuff that I should be getting. It's interesting you say that you like it a little bit better. It's interesting because I've been doing this for a while a decade as Rayven and Chad. And every few years they come out with a new version of some piece of equipment.
And sometimes a new version is really good. Sometimes a new version you're like, huh, that's it, huh? And then the old ones are better overall. Absolutely.
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So we have been talking about Sleepy Hollow, Washington Irving's Headless Horseman, but there are also dabbles in it when we were talking on our main topic, but there are headless ghost stories around the world. So let's just jump into some of those. So there is one, it's called Ireland's Della Han. It's a headless writer from Irish Folklore who carries his own head under his arms.
His eyes glow, his green stretch is from ear to ear, and when he calls someone's name, it means death is coming. There's a German headless horseman. This one, very similar to the one in Irving's Story. They haunt all battlefields, they're often tied to violent deaths in war.
Nature's on the left, and the play just on the left. Nature's on the right. There's one in South America called the Mulas. They can't even pronounce this, the Mulasim.
The Mulasim, Cabesia. Cabesia? Cabesia. Which is the headless mule, and anybody who speaks Spanish is, or Portuguese, rather, is very disappointed in me.
So this is Brazilian Folklore. It's a cursed woman who turns into a fire-breathing headless mule that gallops through villages at night. So, fun fact, there. There is one in Japan called the Nookakubi, and these are spirits whose heads detach from their bodies and fly around at night to terrorize the living, which I think would be pretty scary.
You're just hanging out and this head comes with and by now, that would probably terrorize me. And then we're just going to bring it back to the United States. Greenbrier County, West Virginia, there's actually a tell called the Headless Horseman of Greenbrier County. And according to that version, it was in the fall of 1978, where there was a group of teenagers driving near Droop Mountain Battlefield after a Halloween hayride, and they were just having fun.
They claimed that they heard horse hooves behind their truck. Really loud, kind of sharp, like it was just right there. One kid looked back, and he swore he saw a headless rider in grey slumped in the saddle. So not really writing like you hear in Ichabodz, but just, so this one to me rings really true, because it could be a residual hondron actual ghost from a battlefield.
So even though Irving gave the United States its most famous story, like we've talked about, he was really tapping into a much older and universal fear for the loss of a hit. And like Castle said earlier, it's really the seed of your identity, sight, thought, and across cultures no matter what the culture, a headless ghost can mean a lot of things. It can mean something unnatural, something that's finished, or just deeply connected to death, because you don't have your head. It's probably going to be dead.
And just a fun fact. Castle, I don't know if you have this down in your area, but up here, I mean a couple different cities I have seen at Headless Horseman that walked down the city. And what I mean by this is it's not like a real, I mean it's going to be around Halloween. It's a real horse, it's a person who does has a costume that makes him look like a headless horseman.
And it's awesome when he does it. It is super awesome. It is really good. It's not tacky.
It's really, really good. I've seen him actually on a few TikToks and Facebook rills. I've seen a few as well and they are awesome. And I don't know if it's the same one that just travels around, or if there's several different ones, I don't know.
Although I once had Darth Vader and I've watched it equally awesome, but that's for our Darth Vader episode. Headless Darth Vader. Alright, let's talk EVPs for a second. Now, in this segment, I am going to start sharing EVPs.
That being said, I think I've talked about the great EVP debacle of 2023. Maybe it's 24. I can't remember, but I lost all my EVPs and a great computer crash. I am slowly rebuilding my library and I have new EVPs and I plan to share those with you, but until I'm ready to do so, I'm going to talk about some audible ghost experiences that we've had.
And tonight I want to talk about a place called the Caffeineo Coffee House. We investigated it back. Probably what would you say, Raven 2016, 2017? Oh yeah, it's been a hot minute.
Yeah, it's closed now. It's now in abandoned building. It's on 33rd South and Salt Lake. But it was a coffee house that had reports of hauntings.
And in this coffee house, we would investigate. And one of the stories they had there was, well, the building's old. And they talked at the mob used to use it to do illicit business in the basement. But they talked about there's a spirit of the world at the Caffeineo Coffee House.
And one night while we were investigating, we investigated. And anyone who's investigated, and I know there's a lot of you who listened to have, was the night winds down near the end. Everybody starts to congregate and share experiences and tell stories. A few die-hurtures out there and investigating.
But some each get to point where you've had enough. They just know the way they put it. You're like, OK, I've had enough. I'm ready to go home.
But I'm just going to chat with my friends. And so as the night wound down, there was six or seven ups in the building. And in the back of the building, there was like a little conference room. And so we all, everybody in the building, every single person congregated in this little conference room.
And as we congregated in this conference room, we're sitting around the table talking, telling stories, share experiences. And as we were sharing these experiences, everybody at the table audibly heard a little girl laugh from the other side of the room. And again, we're all at the table. And so we all audibly heard this girl laugh, which was a pretty neat and spooky experience.
And we did catch an audio. And if I can find that audio, I will share it with you. But that is our EBP talk for this episode. But there will be actually EBPs and future episodes that we will listen to discuss to our part.
And if I don't have an actual EBP, I will tell you a story. A true story. Not a big story. I like stories.
It's because I'm old. Well, and can you hear us now, which is Castle's segment name was brought to you by Otayo's, which is fantastic. Their new location, which is closer to me, The last I heard they just had to put in the flooring and furnish it. And they'll be open.
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There's just a new location. That is yet to be decided. Apparently, Mosey really likes his original building. So probably two for now, as far as I know.
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It's like good mixed good. It's like really unique and original and amazing. Alright, investigations. We have four.
And this is not the supernatural two hours. So we're going to go through these quickly. Also, my daughter's waiting to have a birthday party. So we're going to entertain you with our investigations, but we're going to keep it short.
Are you entertained? So first was the wild thistle. And the wild thistle was formerly known as the family tree. The wild thistle is now like a little coffee shop slash cafe.
They've done a fantastic job. If you've ever been into the family tree back in the day, it was very nice. It's where I had my first wedding dinner. Then it got to be particle board walls and not where anybody would have their wedding dinner.
But the wild thistle cafe, they have done a fantastic job. It just is comfortable. It's cozy. We got there.
Chad and I had mentioned that we had neat. And he was just going to run to McDonald's and grab something. And she's like, we will make you something. And she made us a sandwich.
And it was so, so good. It was so good. So if you want to go and get some good food, go there because it's really good food. They don't have scones.
We need to try to get her to make some scones just for old times sake. But the food is really good. That being said, it was really a quiet night. We got a lot of activity down in the basement.
I lied to Lucy. I thought the castle was going to be there. And turned out he wasn't, he told me that. I just forgot because I'm old.
I had to go work. Cast out to be the bills. I told Lucy I said, castle's coming and then he didn't. We did have activity.
There were lights that went off. I've got a new dead bell downstairs. It went crazy. I think the settings were a little high.
I've since found that sweet spot of where you're actually going to get, if it's a ghost, you're actually going to get a tering. I think castle's taking it out because you borrowed the dead bell. If you have it up too high, it picks up every radio frequency, every microwave, everything ever ending is like crazy. But if you find just the right spot, it seems to work well.
If it's staying in, we're not here in the castle. Yeah, there was a while though. I was like, it was like me and a mom. It's like, okay, that's enough when I would just turn it off because it was driving me.
Batty. But you can't go in there and not get activity. I went downstairs into Lucy's area. She definitely is there.
She was in a bad mood that night. But she didn't interact a whole lot. The wild thistle slash family tree is always a great hunt. We've gone to fact to wild thistle when it's been kind of quiet.
I think I mentioned to you before, there were times that Chad and I were there and we're like, we're going to go home because there's nothing going on. And then there's been times where people literally have run out of the building screaming across the street refusing to come back in. So this one was actually a little quieter, but there was activity. Absolutely.
Castle, you look like you were going to say something. As you guys say, I've been there when people have run across the street refusing to come in and I've also carried people out of the basement who are overcome with being overcome. Overcome with the spirit. The spirit of Lucy and I've had to carry many of the people.
I've probably carried five or six people out of the basement over the years. So that place is crazy haunted and it's fun. It's a fun location. If you haven't ever been next time it's open and we offer an investigation, you really should take the opportunity.
I know it sounds scary. I was talking about carrying people out of the basement and running across the street and it can be. But no one's ever died yet or been possessed forever. It's a fun, unique experience and it's safe.
Last time before I was there, we all storm and I saw full body apparitions. It was a little quieter this last time. Salt Lake Community College. I got a call from one of the campuses and they asked us to basically give our dead talk to one of their history photography classes.
So we did that for them and then afterwards we had just a very abbreviated ghost time. We didn't have a whole lot of time. We had about 20 minutes. And if anybody has ever ghost time before, the 20 minutes is not going to be a lot of time to get a lot of activity.
And we told them that. We said, you watch one of these half hour ghost shows. That's hours and hours and possibly days and days. And I was just like, oh, I'm going to get a ghost hunting to get what little bit you can get in half an hour.
But we set up some stuff and the building that we were in was very, very old. Beautiful. Art Deco. And we actually did a few things.
My bell went off a couple of times. After I had it in the sweet spot, I had we had cat balls go off a couple of times. I had a REM pod. The REM pod actually lit up a couple of times.
And the feeling we got after a few minutes we pulled out the dowsing rods and there were some spirits there. But they were actually very concerned and considered of the students and they didn't want the students to be scared. And not to get too crazy where the students would be freaked out to go to class, which I thought was really nice. Last night, actually, we went and did a residential in the Midville area.
And it was really interesting. You walked in and the house just felt very, very peaceful. The residents said that they got a little bit of activity, but nothing that was too crazy. Basically just wanted to see what was going on.
And long story short, they had two Native American spirits. The Native American spirits were happy with the family. They were connected to the land, so they were keeping bad spirits out, which the homeowners appreciated. There was a teenage spirit there.
He didn't want to talk about how he died. We don't want to speculate on why, but he did want to cross over, so we assisted in spirits across themselves over. But we walked him through the process and what he needed to look for, and so he crossed over. But that one was really interesting because we had several different instruments.
We were doing a dowsing rod and an EDP session. And every time the dowsing rod said yes, we had two or three pieces of equipment in the room that would all interact at the same time as the dowsing rods, which was very, very interesting. So that was a good investigation. The last one we want to talk about briefly is an investigation that we were all invited to at the Metcyn Grissnel.
And I was not there, but Castle was with my deadbell. So do you want to just give us a quick synopsis of what happened there? Yes, first off the deadbell. I love the deadbell.
As Raven talked about, there's a sweet spot. I had a hard time diving that in. So I need to retain the ship dance deadbell until further notice. So I get that figured out.
No, no, it's just kidding. But no, it's a cool piece of equipment. I really like it. So the Benson Grissnel was a special invite only potluck that is done annually by one of the old apps members and list members.
You guys may remember from the old show Beaker. And it's an invite only. It's a lot of old team members, current team members and other friends from the paranormal communities that get invited to this potluck dinner that we do. Along with the potluck dinner, though, we do an investigation.
And the investigation is a relatively active night. We had one gal who showed up to an investigation with her date. And it was interesting because we're getting a lot of strange activity in the schoolhouse. For those who don't know Benson Grissnel, it's kind of like a Pioneer Village.
It's a villa or just a grand spell outside of Twillow, it stands right park. It's over there. It's on the other side of the mountains from Cannecott. But it's a Pioneer Village.
Some of the buildings are original. There's an actual Grissnel that's original. And then they brought in some other original Pioneer homes that might not have been there to begin with, but they've been relocated there. But the scowl, there's a male spirit named Harry who took a liking to her and she picked up this attachment earlier in the day before the investigation.
And it was interesting because she had a Ghost Meter Pro, which is my favorite piece of equipment. And it was behaving very abnormally. In fact, we walked from the big mill over to the schoolhouse and the Ghost Meter Pro stayed lit up the entire time. Which for those who used to go to the center pro, they don't do that.
They light up, they turn off, they light up, they turn off. It was continually lit up all the way from the big mill to the schoolhouse. And so we're able to talk to the spirit, which is termed his name as Harry. He thought this girl was cute, so he's following her around.
Then we just had some other activity that we typically see at Benson Gris Mill. I haven't had a chance to listen to audio yet, they have my EVPs, if there are any. But we had, we did an Estes method with the spirit box in the barn. The Barnet Benson Gris Mill is known to have a malevolent spirit in there.
And that malevolent spirit attacked beaker a little bit, but we were able to deal with that. Overall, it was not the most active night I've been to. It's also not the most inactive night I've been to. It was an incredibly average night, but we did have some activity and it was fun.
It was very interesting. So those are the ones that we have done. We're going to have a lot more coming up. It is Buki Season, as far as investigations that are at our dead talks.
That petite meat that's coming up on October 11th, tickets to people on our website. Not petite meat, you're grounded. That petite meat. And we also have two more residential in the works.
They're both scheduled. It's just a matter of we need to get to the dates that they're scheduled. Anyway, so we will leave it there for tonight. So just for recap, we went from Ichabod Crane's Halloween Midnight Ride to our Washington Irving's resting places, had those horsemen galloping throughout all the world.
No matter where you are, there's always a story waiting in the shadows. So thank you for joining us as we talk about Sleepy Hollow. Until next time, I want you guys to keep your lanterns lit. My pumpkin's carved.
Watch those dark roads behind you, because you never know who might be riding behind you. Anyway, keep it creepy, my friends. Hey, Piss Buki. Hey, have a good night.
It looks like we lost Drake. Yeah, Swifly went out. Okay, is this Swifly from 1982? You've been listening to the Supernatural Hour at Advanced Paranormal.com.
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