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What's up to yourself? Okay? I really hope you have a chord wait till the heavy reading starts folks It's better than mouse-macking we got yelled at for the mouse-macking last time we didn't get yelled at she just said she couldn't listen to the show Because she wanted to kill us all and then she listened to it was awesome Yeah, oh speaking which i'm glad that we you brought that up before we get started though. Let's introduce everybody.
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Do you mind right? We've got the end and we've got brandy and silent dawn is not with us today So I like the pregnant positive sound down with this because people like us you know We don't know because you never come so you're the camera dawn Anyway, um you forgot forgot. Well, how can you forget what I forget to say that lurch isn't here either because he is out running in the vegas marathon I was waiting to see if you remember that I always remember well, it's hard to know when he's not here Well, he's been so busy. He's kind of in and out so I Yeah, lurch isn't here today.
He's louder than I am you would have heard him before I started that's true He probably would talk over all this as we got going. Love you lurch. Yes, we do love you Like the animals saying or Tim was somebody said that our lash was awesome No, and missus castle told me that I sounded really angry and it was like the worst show ever because I was so mad and angry And I don't think I came across as mad and angry, but in case I did I was not mad and angry at the radio running folks I love those guys. They're my friends.
Oh, I thought she meant you were like mad and angry at the jon-doh Well, I was mad and angry at jon-doh, but she was fun. I sounded like I was mad at radio running I was not mad at radio running. I loved the radio running folks. I don't they are my friends.
Um, I'm just kidding I love love you Kenny. He doesn't listen. I'm pretty sure none of them listen to the show Yeah, I was gonna say they probably take us off on them go back to the show say anything we want about them And unless one of you guys say something to them, they'll never know Kenny's also security number is Anyway, welcome to the show. Um, it's been two whole weeks And we've actually done quite a bit in the last two weeks Oh, you know what you mentioned that we had an awesome show last time We actually had a listener from Washington email us and he found an EVP on our last show He did and you know what the previous EVP though as I was listening to the family tree EVP Yeah, when I got it I listened to it on like spreaker and when I got home later after I posted the episode I listened to it a little closer on Like my audio software that I used for listening to EVPs.
Yeah, and it might not be an actually VP It kind of sounds like it could be a tummy grumble What the hell are you doing? I'm seeing if my mike was it's new. Yes, I did buy you an human I can't see how sensitive it was But Brandy's looking at this evil glare breathing heavily Larry is that you? No, she's not speaking Second attacks episode two.
Um Yes, well, that's good to know. Um, it did kind of sound like an EVP It could be but like I said, it also kind of it could be a good It could be a good one. Honey grumble You know the butterscotch panda had not eaten yet at that point That's true. I can't believe it.
So he did wait until after the recording And it could have been me because I had just eaten and it could be food selling Nor that one time that you uh, I offered you $50 to eat cucumbers Yeah, the family tree ready for an investigation I couldn't find myself here. He wouldn't do it folks for 50 bucks He would not eat the cucumbers. It's a cucumber The problem is is the cucumbers go down. They might come right back up in a hurry Like I said, we should make it a prize in one of our many Or half-assed contests that we could hold on Yes, our half-assed contests that we could also have to eat a cucumber We'll have to discuss this in like Well, you gotta do one of the other either cucumber or red velvet Yeah, I can eat red velvet.
It's just it's cucumber it is moving right along So the EVP from last time, did you get a chance to listen to that? Uh, the one that the listener from Washington mentioned That one I have not had a chance to listen to It was about one hour six minutes and 52 seconds into the show And you probably you're like searching ahead there. That's exactly what he said I know because I remember stupid things like that Um, you actually hear someone saying and I remember during the episode when I recorded Dan said she heard it about three times And I know the one of the times that we actually I believe you heard it I think I remember that when we were recording it heard over the headphones But it was I assumed it was somebody breathing or saying it could have been one of us But I went back and listened to it and you can definitely hear it just like See I kept watching because I heard it probably three or four times and I kept watching people seeing if it was someone that was habitually breathing Um, you know weirdly into the microphone and no one was doing it And there are strips in my home. So it's a very likely possibility that somebody was down here Signing that things were saying I'm just talking about breathing into the mic or it could be bad.
I mean we do have some new microphones that are a lot more sensitive They're a lot nicer. Well, it's ever Dan. We haven't been doing it. I bought a new piano so I'm a two four to buy a new microphone right now Maybe Santa Claus will bring you a Christmas neck month.
Maybe one of our listeners will be nice enough to buy you a bear and just see three for Christmas So let's talk investigations people pricing tired of a stock you have microphones and grumbling tummies One possible EPs they were possibly because of that there was the grumbling tummy. I think it might have been a tumbly in my tumbly But let's talk about investigations. I know that the end and I went on an investigation was it last week Yes, it was which is really interesting first off it was an eating Utah and I've never been to eat in Utah In fact prior to the investigation. I didn't know that eating Utah even existed.
It's probably really really pretty if you drive up on there's light Yeah, well We got there in the dark and it looked like it was probably a gorgeous area if they'll there had been light and There are lots of places that I didn't know existed in Utah and so I worked where I work now And I will tell you that the home that we had to have a beautiful home. It was very pretty humongous I'm to add like four levels to it. They don't need to membership. They just need to run up another chair It was freaking huge.
It was huge. Okay. I'm not gonna do stuff like that We just lost half our lives We lost two people. Oh my But what was interesting about that and I've like I said I've kind of become a fan of the Ghost Meter Pro So they're shaking her head I actually If one of the kids said that he had creepy stuff going on in his room So actually went up there with the Ghost Meter Pro and asking us your own questions I was able to figure out that the spirit in that room was a male and he told me he went by the name of Bob Bob Bob Because I contacted Brandi in the middle of the investigation said Brandi can you figure out what I'm?
When I'm talking to her what I'm and she goes well his name is Robert, which is the same as Bob essentially No, it's not Robert's is Robert Bob is Bob No, or does he was Robert but he goes by Bob I'm Bob. Ah, and so that was a fairly interesting and then when we got going through the house later that evening And it was interesting because I sending Brandi some pictures here and they're trying to figure out what we had going on And we got down to the second to the bottom level I don't even know how you define levels because I'm used to upstairs is ground floors and basements in this house I'd like no this house head it was awesome. I thought we were in the basement and then someone said yeah We're gonna go to the basement. I thought well where are we at now?
Yes, that's kind of where I was at We got down there and it's interesting because I was trying to figure something out that had a creepy mirror That was having creepy mirror issues and so I sent Brandi picture and she said yeah that mirror is creepy and What kind of mirror was it again a creepy mirror? It was creepy. Okay, just make sure. Yeah, it was a portal mirror It was being used as a gateway But while I was brandy called me to give me some information right when Brandi called me Also, everybody in the room started like screaming and this is one of those investigations And this isn't my favorite by the way, but there's like a bajillion people in the home Well, yeah, and bless her heart She asked she says a couple my kids will be there and my sister wants to be there You know and she asked if people could come and I said well, you know We kind of like to keep it to a minimum and so she said oh, you know the way it sounded There's just gonna be a couple we want and it was a lot more than a couple At least it doesn't but to their credit though they were quiet except on some that was not a VP that was the answer So I've made a decision and without you guys I've just decided when you guys call and request an investigation Please limit the people that you bring your house to the people that actually live in the house Well, I don't know here look at our great question investigation form on the website Tim Not recently there actually is a section there that basically asked them to limit their guess and like I said I will give them credit They're actually very very nice and their guests were actually very very quiet Which was which I am very grateful for because usually we have that many people it's a party And you can't really investigate because everybody's talking and hootin and hollering like that was a plain city That was awesome.
I was sure because you were brandy just did she was raising the roof It's a bit simple but simple but simple but anyway as brandy called me I'm also gonna hear people scream and I told Brandon if I said somebody just grab somebody's leg and just you know The horse and around and I was actually a little bit irritated that point. I'm just like okay. Someone's being a jackass So I walked up the stairs kind of away from everybody to talk to branding get some information and when I came back down the end had been down there and dawn and Nate alder was with us and come to find out there was an antenna controller that was on top of the Nintendo That's a great place for all right I'll talk to my PlayStation controllers on top of your Nintendo But it was an area that there's nobody by I think the 20 feet is probably the closest person was probably about 20 feet away from Yeah, it wasn't no one was really close to it No, no, it was near it and this controller actually got thrown several feet from on top of the Nintendo towards the people in the couch I mean you can see the cord stretched out from the from the actual Console I don't even know if it's a console But the controller was stretched out on the cable basically stopped it from going any further One of those game things one of those game things I don't you're getting old I don't own a console. I'm a PC guy But basically the controller had been thrown and that's what freaked everybody out Why is that a console said you're a PC guy should say you're not politically correct?
I hate everyone technically though. I hate everybody equally so But that was our investigation for that night what else do we have happen at night? The thing that I found was interesting While you were talking to Bob in the other room I was getting some activity out in the hallway and you know trying to get some yes no questions You could tell that it was I thought maybe it was a child playing with it But we were asking Bob who was out in the hallway and he says it's a teenager So I tried asking questions and just getting some really really weird Getting some really really weird responses and so those are my piano laughing can just lick his fingers No, it's really like these are my friends people. These are my friends I'm dirty Talking to each other when I did the whole yes I mean she's making up scene gestures in my career anyway, so back to my story I saw that thing after you know just trying to talk to this teenage girl I finally asked Gary said ask Bob if maybe this spirit is a little mentally disabled and the answer is yes It was just kind of fun to kind of be able to determine that based on that kind of answers I was getting you know It's actually really interesting as you investigate and you do a lot you can kind of start to get How do I explain this you can kind of start to tell personality types and moods based off how the equipment?
Functions like on the ghost meter pro for instance I've seen some really fast things of the needle and those usually kind of come across to me as curt responses like they're upset or annoyed And you can kind of tell when someone's actually using the equipment and when someone's just farting around with equipment And so it's interesting you can kind of tell What is going on by how the equipment's being manipulated sometimes? We've had occasions where I know at the calf neo coffeehouse where we had a drunk guy playing with the K2 and you could tell that he was I mean he behaved like a drunk guy the way the K2 was kind of off and on and it was messing around But that was we had any other investigations since our last podcast I think I was so incredibly busy that they all kind of run together. Yeah, that one that one is the only one that I have been on That's all we have one tonight that will prove to be pretty interesting. I'm sure so we'll talk about that one next Yeah, we may cut this podcast just a hair short depending on where we're going because we do have an investigation schedule for tonight This is actually our busy time here and we've kind of talked about that before a little bit I mean I think it's because in the summer at time people are out and about now Recognize the creepy stuff's going on in our house, but once it gets cold and the night starts to shorten or to lengthen They remember why they spent so much time outside in the summer and that's when we start to get a lot of cases usually between September to March is kind of our busy season tonight.
We're gonna talk about something a little bit different Since we've kind of covered investigations This is the politics part of the show, right? Yes, we're gonna talk about the the race between Clinton and Trump You know the only thing that I the only thing that I actually ever heard of that at all Silent dawn loves politics has been really roughly for me lame Actually, the only thing that I you know could think of with this whole thing going on is that I really want to investigate the Lincoln bedroom If you got there, you could probably pay to spend a night there probably I think that would be fun. That's like on the list of places. I want to go is the Lincoln bedroom the White House in general be Because I mean there's so much history involved in that building that I guarantee you there's all kinds of old Ghosts from years past.
They were back East really just like the original 13 colonies. Maybe in Salem. I love it I say that was amazing. We know that's the hard part about Yes about Utah is that it's such a I mean historically speaking.
This is a very young area I mean really since the mid-1800s are really wasn't much here beyond Native Americans You know where as you go back East and you're looking at the you know, 1500 1600 1700s So you've got several more central several a few more centuries of people living dying existing then you do see we were in here We were in Salem kind of it was just maybe a week before their season started So most of the stuff was close when we were there and there weren't very many people there But you'd walk down the sidewalk and you could see with your eyes maybe ten people But it felt like it was just bumper to bumper people like going to an antique store Mm-hmm say hundred for me hundred hundred hundred hundred hundred Accent makes every now and then a hundred people are my mountains And hundred some like hundred there's an hour in there. Yeah, there's also an in and mountain So one thing that we were gonna talk about tonight, and I'd like to get into it a little bit and we're gonna kind of go into speculation No tonight, we're gonna talk about slender man Now I signed everybody here to do a little bit of research on Slenderman and I think nobody followed through research I did, I did, except for me and again as I set up the as I did sound checks Yes, okay So since you're the freshest on what Slenderman is Dan tell us what Slenderman is and then we'll discuss Slenderman Slenderman is a fictional character made up by some guy in 2009 as part of a competition or a The competition was actually it was a photo shop competition where basically people were asked to take photos and Photoshop them to make them creepy and the photo that he actually submitted will show a bunch of kids Not just creepy, but just kind of like paranormal. Yeah paranormal creepy. Yeah kind of similar to the one of our little half-baked contest So far fake goes contest very similar and Basically the photo was a bunch of children and I never actually saw the photo I didn't get that researching but basically a bunch of children and Men who was made to look really slender and tall with obscured facial features and tendrils coming out of his back and they called the character Slenderman and the photo basically kind of spawned a fictional What's what I'm looking for?
It's not a fictional character that a lot of stories were based around like the way I mean they're not really else But there's an elf genre and there's not really dwarfs But there's a dwarf genre and they have their own characteristics and blah blah blah so Slenderman has kind of compete his own genre And there's a website called creepy pasta where he was featured quite a bit Now I wanted to actually talk a little bit about the actual paranormal aspect of Slenderman if there even is one And that may be open to debate for all of us here as we get talking I read an article a couple years ago about an incident that happened in 2014. It's actually on our website wasps.org And back in 2014 are you guys familiar with the stabbing that took place back in 2014? Yes, I am. As I see Tim Shaking said no.
No, but I'm reading it right now about a near-fiddle stabbing of a 12-year-old girl in Wisconsin That would be the one yay research Yay, the internet. Yes, the goal is my friend. Is everybody feverish looking at us as a professional podcast folks? We're just reading off a Wikipedia here.
I think that's original. Is that the reason why you described the photo for us again? Well, when I look up there's a couple different ones There's a bunch of kids and they're just kind of looking at the camera And then there's a man looks like he's in a black suit, which is typically what he wears very tall And the way they've got it in the pictures It just looks like you might not even notice it unless you took a second or third look at the photo And basically as we said the sole Slenderman thing kind of spawned into a genre Fictional characters with the Slenderman now back in 2014 Almost three years ago now there were two girls in which there were 12 girls in Wisconsin and what happened is two of the girls Lured a fellow 12-year-old girl into the woods and one their friend their friend They played a game of hide and seek and in the middle of the game of hide and seek One girl pinned down the friend and the third girl came and basically stabbed her 19 times with a five-inch kitchen knife And the stabbing stick place in the arms the legs Subvert to aortas not to aortas with two arteries Mrs. Castle would yell me for saying aortas and missed her heart by about a millimeter They told this girl that they were gonna seek help and they basically fled the area now the stabbing victim She was able to kind of crawl more or less to the side of the local road there And was found by somebody and they rushed her to the hospital where they were actually able to save her It was you know and they'd actually the two girls had actually planned to do this a couple other times But it was kind of falling through and it took their third So it was it was definitely a flint of a sleepover the night before but they decided to they decided to give the girl one more day to live The next day they were gonna do it in a park restroom And then they I don't know if they chicken down or what but then later that afternoon when they stabbed her during the game of hide and seek The stabbing victim was taking the hospital had elevated heart rate low blood pressure Basically she lost a considerable amount of blood The surgeons were able to save her but they had to actually open her chest up and they said that her heart had been missed by a millimeter And a lot of injuries were in the chest area and if I remember there's a 25 to 50% fatality For injuries to that area of the body A sheriff's deputy found the two girls who had done the stabbing walking down the road later that afternoon They actually had a medical helicopter go look for the suspects.
They had fireman looking for the suspects They had please share so it was kind of basically it was a man hunt for two 12 girls girls And so they found the girls and the sheriff deputy on searching them found the five inch kitchen knife in one of their backpacks So they're able to tie them to the stabbing now when they interviewed the two suspects they basically said that they had been in contact with slender men and That's not a creepy picture all that brandages found us On the website Is it the meme that one looks a vintage maybe it will use that as a meme send that to me ready So they found the girls they found the knife talking to the girls They basically said that they were for lack of a word worshiping slender man and a slender man had put them up to the task So they could go live in his mansions in the local national forest And basically they said that they had done it so that slender man wouldn't hurt their families And so that's kind of the gist of the case what I found interesting about the case is Just some of the things these girls said that slender men had told them and the things that The reasons why they did the killing And in the article I wrote last year basically to me and maybe I'm going off into crazy town here I guess we'll see here in a minute as I put this in brandy's already naughty As I put this out there and just kind of see what you guys think It could just be these 12 girls are mentally ill I mean that's a very easy explanation On the other hand though as I read the case as I read the news story I'm drugs I don't know but generally 12 year olds don't get involved in drugs as a general rule And that's speaking from a professional level of 14 15 seems to be kind of the age range that kids start getting involved in alcohol and marijuana Now partly wonders if a type 3 spirit if basically they were screwing around with something and got in contact with the type 3 spirit Which was able to pass itself off as the slender man and basically use the reds coercion and worship to Commencees girls to do this need What are your thoughts? So here's my thoughts. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility However, I'm gonna throw in a little little tidbit I don't know if you remember this here you might have been too little but in pacing where we grew up There was an old flower mill. Oh the old mill.
It was called the old mill We were forbidden to go in it because old flower can be flammable There's actually a very creepy story behind the old mill that used to terrify me as a child So this is where I'm going so that when I was in grade school Kind of the lower behind the old mill was that a China doll lived in the old mill And if you had any dolls that were not China doll she would come and kill you and I remember a period of my life Where I had some ceramic dolls and I was petrified of my ceramic dolls And I also had a stuffed doll kind of a Not a raggedy end all but kind of one of those soft-body dolls And I was also terrified that the China doll would find out that I had and so I would hide it in weird places I'm sure our mom thought I was insane So you get that age of girl and just the fear of something can kind of become real and that could be very true I mean really in a sense a slender man can be a topa and for those who don't know what a topa is a topa is basically When something that doesn't exist gets so much recognition that it kind of Gains a life of its own and when I say that I don't mean an actual life When we talked to Jimmy Lynn Darling and Tim can actually jamming on this he brought up the name Zozo and she talked about the the rubber ducky demon and basically her studies with Anthropological themonology is that cultures basically worship something until it becomes real in a sense and from a religious standpoint Right where my personal belief system is is that if something's getting recognition It's very easy for one of those evil spirits to basically step in and take the adoration the worship and become That thing, you know Which I think is what's happened with the whole zozo thing and which is what I think has happened in all honesty with this Lenderman case I have no personal doubts this Lenderman is a persona that has been adopted by Her rubber ducky demon is basically what she called zozo where the rubber ducky itself is not has no power It's not demonic in nature, but because enough people put belief in it, but it actually gives it some power The reason why I keep grinning at you is I actually pulled up several different pictures of the two girls that did the stabbing and showed Them to the peaches here and she actually saw with one of the girls in two different pictures a type three attachment Indication and that actually doesn't surprise me at all like I said as I read the stories I read the news story and look into it It has all the hallmarks what I would expect with a type three spirit coercing a vulnerable child I think that spirits like you know Especially like losing me know for sure that they can the containers are apparent So it's possible that it appeared to her as the slender man well And then the funny thing is when you read about the case and it still hasn't been resolved even they're still waiting for There's a deadline of I think tomorrow of whether or not these girls are mentally capable You know they've played you know insanity and we've talked a little bit before about you know as someone possessed as someone under The manipulation of a type three or are they just clinically insane or is it one and the same thing? And I really think it can go both ways absolutely I do too now the interesting question on this now is you know They've seen the picture with the type three was the type three there before or was a type three there? Because of the act which you know kind of a chicken in the egg kind of kind of scenario, which is it? Give me just like I'm actually looking at part of the story and I want to basically explain some of what they What they explained why they did it which kind of tells us why I think it was more a coercion than an act of insanity See and I'm actually going to read this directly from Wikipedia the two perpetrators at the time claimed to believe that slender man was real So there's our first thing is that they have a belief that he's real my question on that is why why they believe he's real and have They read so much fiction on it that they honestly think he's alive or has something appeared to them as slender man and convince them that he's real You know this really didn't even what why we got there You know something they've obsessed about to the point where this type three spirits on and opening they reached out to and tried to contact I'm using my air quotations here slender man and lo and behold voila a type three shows up and says hey That's me and commits these girls look.
I'm real Which I think can be the start of this well that goes along the same lines as if you Lolly so much that you believe you're on lies you're gonna pass a lot of it just Exactly and then they they told authorities that they want to become his proxies or followers now type three spirits They want followers that's kind of a hallmark of type three spirits is they want to be worshipped they want to be important And now I have a daughter who's almost 12 and that's not the kind of verbiage. I could see her using Seeing as I said roughly from Wikipedia. I hope this is my most boring episode ever now. We already have that one sweet To prove their loyalty to him and to prove his existence and prevent him from harming their families the two perpetrators believe the only way They could become the slender man's proxies was to murder someone That is another thing that type three spirits gonna have you do they want you commit some kind of sin that is Difficult if not impossible to come back from and for anyone with any level of religion most things can be forgiven You know, I'm LDS.
I know Kim and Deanna LDS and LDS Church does teach that everything except for murder is Basically something you can come back from murder is called an unpardonable sin the shedding of innocent blood So the only us doesn't believe in the 10 commandments. Yes, they believe in 10 commands. Those are all things that shall not kill Yeah, that's what I say. They still not still lie with You know, but Garela's wife, but you can repent of all of them but murder Yeah, basically the only difference is the LDS faith just teaches that this didn't even a simple it is something that's very very incredibly difficult to repent of because with other things you can actually restore what was Done, you can't restore life like abortion exactly and the other church is very vehemently against abortion just as the Catholic churches But not to venture too deep into religion or politics, but a type three is gonna try and have you commit some kind of sin that is very difficult Come back from that's kind of their goal is to basically throw you off The course of where you should be in your life Then see after they carried out the killing they prepared believe they become servants of this London man And they'll not allow to live in his mansion, which they believed was in the Nicolette National Forest You know and at this point he's actually promised a reward, you know, if you do this I don't think you can be to my proxies, but you can come live in my mansion And so there's coercion with I'm not gonna harm your family and there's false promises with you can come live in my mansion And so I don't know it seems to have all the characteristics of what I would expect from a type three spirit manipulating a vulnerable person in this case two 12 year old girls And he's done talking.
Oh my goodness. We weren't expecting that it happens sometimes Um brain fart so let me ask you so you say you see a type three and some of these pictures that Tim has shown you Yes What can you tell us about that particular spirit that you see how is it presenting itself? How does it appear like well? It's standing behind the same female than the in the photo so the shoulder the mug shots and then some some some of the pictures of them while they're in court so more than likely From the spirit energy of both the human and non-human it's attached an attachment So like I said, but you can't tell whether it was there before or after right that the other girl She's out an attachment, but you know It's always easy to convince your best friend or whatever to do whatever it is you want If you can get them to get in on it or maybe it just attached to one but was manipulating both at you know I don't know for two 12 year old girls to commit a murder I would have to think they're both being manipulated on some level Although I would suspect that the one with the attachments probably the primary Right the brain I don't know why I don't want to use more to dresser but probably the the brains of the operation if you're in the world The two and that could be as well because also that's the other thing that types three tend to do is they tend to focus on The winkling the low hanging fruit And I always say it's true but I always say it's saying it because then in someone's house.
I'm like, yeah, the low hanging fruit Yeah, you're killing their stupid Goodbye and I'm not saying that by the way I can sometimes that might just be in illness Right, and it's which could be but because it's very true, but at the same time you don't want to be like, yeah, you're killing There's got some issues man. Um, but a lot of times they know there can has issues and you know, it could be just simply they have a lot of the steam or Depression right now a part of this is Um, you know and I can't tell people how to raise their families, but part of this goes back to you can they just don't have to listen Yeah, and I'm going to I don't know. I don't know. It's just my you're probably my gentle lead in you shouldn't be a family counselor Just stick to me in the cop.
This is my gentle lead in um, you know, but this okay She said tell why it's important to choose your friends wisely and to make sure that you're raising your kid right Because if you don't do what it takes to a crinkle teacher. I mean noises tim is bag of RBS Little star in the potty mountain color But if you teach your kids basically right and wrong from the get-go It doesn't give someone like enemies my air quotations here slender man to Find an in and exploit it. I thought you guys are gonna give me a lot more argument on slender man thing We got like a lot of hours on now. Nope.
We're good. And there's our show Okay So branny again back to what he appears like what does he actually look like? Um, so it is taller than the female that's in the So now um very like a gray like a other gray color. Um, there's no particular shape It's more just a mass and then the head is very geometrical.
So like a hexagon looking and uh, where the eyes would typically be on a person It's just nothing And that's that's one thing that we found about type three spirits is very seldom do they actually have a human appearance Um in some cases they do lusi does um right and they can change that form anytime they want Right in that particular photo. That's what he looks like. I think it's interesting because hexagon is actually a uh, naturally occurring shape. I wonder if it's just just nature's just and then if they feel the need to they can shape shift into something And I think that spirits in spirit form can shape shift to an extent.
I think a human spirit has The potential to do it, but I think it's incredibly difficult I think they're more apt to stay the same shape that they know because that's easy to be Well, and I think you're at that point it probably didn't feel that it need to Appear as anything to anyone because I didn't think it was the photograph was gonna be seen by someone who can actually see him Right I was gonna say and we've had instances where we've seen very similar spirits and by we I mean brandy Where we've been at homes where they've appeared as either animalistic geometric You know in cases like lusi lusi is looks like a little girl brandy. What does larry look like? Larry won't I suck at last he was Your height not as cold as him, but not as short as me. Um, he was brown like dark earth brown And he had a more of a alien sort of shaped head like the typical, you know aliens in space kind of a fat fat at the top skinny at the bottom Yeah, um red ice Regular nose no mouth no hair Uh really no sort of any human looking shape whatsoever.
Now you say the last time you saw him has he appeared differently before? Yes, and how has he appeared on those times? Uh, he's appeared as animalistic like a goat or a ram I've seen him change form to a very tall like standing in the doorway just a black Nothing. Um, I've seen him also change into geometrical just shapes like a shaped man hands being you know circles had been a triangle Thing so it's been different a couple different times, but the spirit energy is the same So that's how I know it was the same type three and that's was my next question So I'm going to answer that is if you change is how you're able to identify him as the same each demonic or people into the other Seen they all have they all have a different look to their energy But this one's been the same energy each time just a different shape every time I've seen them And it's interesting that you mentioned that the shape changing because lusi the family tree which we talked about quite frequently Which we've had a lot of run-ins with she frequently changes her appearance to I know that she's been seen as a dog Um, she's been seen where she's the other she knows a black woman and a black woman black woman black woman.
She is She's a black one dressed in black. Um a little girl in a brown dress pink dress Well pink dress at the restaurant, but when I saw her she was in a brown dress Yes, it was a projection. I didn't tell you about that. No, you didn't.
I'm like me. Tim. What was this? A couple days before we went and did those two investigations I came home from work and I saw we have a mirror off the right hand side when you first enter my home And you can see in the mirror into the living room And I saw a little girl with black hair wearing a brown dress crawling across the floor kind of a natural lake No And I asked my dad I'm like is there someone in there with you?
I thought one of my nieces was home and he's like no, it's just me and a couple of days later after we did the investigations My dad told me he saw the same girl. Oh, I didn't tell her I don't remember telling him what she looked like just that I saw a little girl He's like yeah, I saw a little girl in a brown dress And uh we think that that was being that it was right around the same time that lusi was possibly projecting herself to my house Which she's done before I know she projected herself to lower Hix's home From the life on the rocks podcast lusi's a nasty character Um, but I know Larry has Larry Santa Claus. Is he one of the same? Yes Santa Claus from cleav's house.
Yes cleav is referred to a type three spirit that Kind of has a Santa Claus appearance and he's actually appeared in a few photos and well that one photo He didn't look a awful lot like Santa Claus and he took up like the entire doorway. He was huge Yeah, and so basically those spirits have a tendency or an ability to Change their appearance and in a long stay they can appear as human now one characteristic of a type three spirit Is is that if they do take the form of a human the form will be imperfect somehow Um for instance with lusi her eyes are like black caverns Um, you know a foot may be missing A finger may be missing something may be misshapen. Yeah, like Larry. He's missed his lips.
He doesn't have a mouth Yeah, they they cannot Take on a perfect human form. So if for instance a spirit appears to you and says hey I'm a spirit and I want you to do this start looking and seeing if there's some Problem because if there's a problem then it's something to be mindful of especially if it wants to do something that seems a natural or wrong Um, and that's something to keep in mind. So tonight we have an investigation. Tell us a little bit about the investigation or head of tonight Yeah, what do you know?
So this one sounds interesting. I was actually at the gym and I get a phone call and this Um lady. I'm assuming she's in her mid to late 20s Um she actually works with our aunt and she said I mean she sounded really kind of afraid to talk to me But as she talked to me Um, it's a noisy background You know and she realized that I wasn't thinking that she was where she started to open up, but she has two children She has a three-year-old boy and a about a one-year-old girl And she said that the little boy ever since he was a baby has this three-foot monkey and he loves this three-foot monkey You know takes me to where he goes in the car. He sleeps with him.
He eats with him And then one day shortly after the little girl was born Um suddenly little boy is terrified of this monkey and the way the mom described it was it this monkey would back him up Um meaning you go into a room. He sees the monkey and he just backs away from it And after this happened a couple times she said, you know, are you scared of the monkey? And he says yes, I'm scared of the monkey and she said well, why don't we go and we'll put monkey in baby sister's room And then he just got terrified. No, no, no, don't put it.
Maybe sister's room. No, anything but maybe sister's room And it really kind of freaked mom out so mom takes monkey and throws him in the trash. She's like, I don't want to deal with this I'll just get rid of it Um a couple days later monkey is back in the house when she's talking to me I'm like, please don't let the monkey come back She goes straight off it comes back. So she asked her husband.
She said did you bring monkey back to the house? No, you say in the trash you mean like in the outside trash? Okay outside garbage can and the husband says no, I didn't bring back in So this really scares her so she throws it away again And she says this time I watched it fall into the garbage truck and I saw the garbage truck drive away with with monkey She says everything was fine for a week or two and then suddenly the little boy will knock one in his room Um now the monkey hasn't come back, but the little boy says that he sees the monkey man In the room. So that is all I know so far and I said, yeah, we need to come Yeah, that sounds like an interesting case I have a feeling or this is gonna go tonight imaginary friend No, I don't know maybe I was looking at Brandy to see where insides Brandy's getting over there because she's pretty good about tuning into these She's even if she did tune into something she can tell you.
I know Actually until we get there Figured out your damn self. It sounds pretty interesting and I asked some questions just to kind of get a feel for you know Are they there they be like drugs? You know is there something but they sound like they're pretty clean cut So I'm interested to see what's not the sound stockish But you gave me the address and I did drive by the house this weekend because it's just a few miles from my house and so I was curious and it actually Isn't a very nice neighborhood. It's in a new neighborhood and it's actually a nicer house Uh, it's not anything.
Uh, it's not an area where we have drug problems We went to a really nice house where the lady was addicted to meth That's true. Uh, I guess I say in actually in hindsight I just read another investigation that we have had since uh, yeah, but I know you're going with it Sometimes you go to a neighborhood and you go and I see why there's issues, but can we talk about that case? Which one the one by your house that we went to the other day? Yeah That yes, so I forgot about that one too.
See it's been busy Monday because I was in there I know it was in it was the same night as actually that eating case. Uh, we actually did this one first and we went to Eden This one needed to be kind of small. It was a little weird Yeah, it was a strange situation, but it was a nice house and it was right across the street from a mortuary Um, which I'm sure it's fun, which I'm sure it didn't help Literally right across the street from a mortuary. Yeah, you could have thrown a baseball from the front porch and broken away to the mortuary Um, but basically it's 15 six-year-old girl.
Um, probably 1670. Anyway, she have any issues Um Has some behavioral issues, uh, and that kind of goes back to her low hanging fruit thing. Um, and I think well, and there's some situational things an abusive parent who passed Um, mom's dating and is not home a lot. Um, brother or sister's boyfriend Sister's boyfriend is living in the home dabbling in drugs and dabbling in some of some occult things from what it sounds like Um, but they basically had what would you say three spirits in the home?
Yes, there was a type two a type two b and a type one, uh, spirit in the home that was a little girl and We were able to actually eventually well we weren't able to cross them there that night. Um, It was actually a couple of days later. This is actually kind of interesting. There's a rock shop in Pleasant Grove, Utah Called the crystal ray and there's a guy there named Michael and we kind of have poked fun at Michael before I went over earlier, so I talked about the weird rock guy who again went in and He basically, oh her story that kind of ended nor yeah, right.
I'm like so did you pick out the rocks? He suggested or not? I've been reading or not here. Okay.
Yeah, he was reading or up somebody that Dan was associated with until I began what rocks He needed and I was just curious and so me doing the medium tests that I do that probably drive around the absolutely insane Michael claims to be medium and so I went To the rock store and was just kind of there killing some time. Um, and I said hey Michael Just after you cross the country motley. He goes white. Yes, I can I said well, what do you need to do?
He goes well, I need to know where they're at and I said well They're in secret hills and he goes well. I just as long as you know where they're at I can know where they're at kind of things Okay, well, no where they're at you know interesting he goes There's actually a Three inside and he goes there's actually four out in the yard. There's a portal in the yard He said okay. Well, can you cross him and go there hold on a minute?
He kind of does this weird stuff in the space thing for a minute and then goes let me close the portal and kind of this weird stuff in the space thing for a minute And then his astro projection is weird then because I don't do that Yeah, and so basically after a few minutes he goes done and that's kind of like okay And so a few minutes later I send Brandy a text on my camera that house that we were at Those spirits still there did they cross because Brandy said she's gonna go cross him later. She wasn't with us And Brandy sent me text back and said yeah, they're not there. They've crossed there. They're gone And so I thought that was actually kind of interesting it gave me a little bit more validity for Michael No, in Michael's offense.
He's a very nice man. He just kind of has a crazy delivery an odd delivery. Yeah, like CC No, it's a different it's a different delivery Michael's more the gentle soul in touch with my spiritual side to an extreme sense CC is more of a I'm in touch and I just assume everybody can see everything that I can and so I'm just gonna puke it out there And then she kind of puts an overly religious twist on everything Yeah, and that's the other thing is because I took her actually to a cleansing on one of our first Cases and it was it was a little tough. I had to go in and do damage control before she got there And then post got their damage control and I thought you know what?
And unless I really need CC, I'm not gonna use CC because it's just it's too hard to to have people think that So are you saying that this guy appears as touched in the head? It has touched but in a different way. I sure hope Michael is listening because he's a very nice guy and I like Michael But he just he comes across to someone who probably smokes a lot of weed in his basement with his tight-eyed shirt And well and there's when you're working Jeremiah when you're working with just the general public most people I mean like this lady that we're gonna go to here in a few minutes She was very you can tell she was very afraid even talk about this and then when I you know I started asking her some questions she could tell that I got it And so when you're dealing with the public you really need to take people that are more Mainstream for lack of a better word and when you get some of these mediums that are a little more Holistic and what's the word I'm looking for crazy I mean a little more a little more out there super spiritual probably that turn out you yeah, then that's when it gets I mean They probably know what they're doing. I mean I think Michael does I think she does But it's how they project themselves to the public that you might be careful right with paranormal field in general I think that's one of the biggest failings of the paranormal field as a field is I think there's a lot of folks out there who really go extremely weird, I mean if you want to we've made a huge point to try and portray ourselves to the public As mainstream as we can because it doesn't do us any good it doesn't do the public any good We try to be as professional as possible Yeah, if we put brandy like weird hippie clothes and put like a tin foil hat on her Even if I don't do that So even if it helps her ability it's not going to help We have a client have confidence in brandy.
It's one reason why as a team We have matching shirts and we actually went with nice embroidered shirts We didn't just do screen printing because embroidered looks a lot more professional. That's why we have a uniform I'm using my air quotations again. It's a loose uniform It's a loose uniform. I don't wear mine ever.
Well, I say you get a pass here. You're our weird hippie I go whenever I'm comfortable in um, but ultimately the idea is is that We want to be professional. We want to peer professional. We don't want to come in and be like, you know, sweeping the floor and tasting the floor sweeping I didn't get why other mediums do that.
It just blows my mind why they go on. Well, I figure you know, everybody has no Hell eats the shit off the floor. I just make it. I hug the floor sometimes.
I'm gonna say large because I'm pretty different I mean, everyone's got their own ways and their own, um, you know, brandy has her way of doing things and Michael has his way of doing thing You know, everyone's got their own ways. So it's probably unkind of us to say they're weird, but When working with the public, we want to take mainstream It's not unkind. It's just being honest. And in reality, I mean, every medium has their own thing.
I mean, brandy does one weird thing and I'm using air quotations. I really need to just When you're wearing air quotations and just say it, brandy does one weird thing, but I know what it is And so it's to me. It's not weird. She's taking a nap periodically if brandy can brandy consent's buried remains and if she senses them, she usually will touch the floor lay down on the floor and it helps her Feel out where those are located.
So as soon as she lays down on the floor, it's like, and there's a dead body under your house She's really just tired from the drive and she's taking an app. I'm smelling there for breach floor. Okay Watch what's your finger like? Case the floor.
Wait, did you why still have that video of me making fun of the defiles chick? Probably. I'll just see if I can find it. Yeah, I mean, there's just there's some affections that people do that are just like how you're making yourself look so weird and you're making the field look so weird.
And I think sometimes people come in and they use a lot of jargon that is very Yeah, one thing that I've always tried to do and I think we as a team of boys tried to do is when we actually do investigate We try to explain what it is we're talking about. They're having a stroke over there. So they're doing making fun of the lady on the dead Files because then she was doing she's like, yeah, she like has this weird twitch and she puts up their hair. She tries to be nuts.
I don't like her. And then she starts talking a weird little voice. But we try and when we do stuff we try and explain in detail what it is we're doing. You know, here's this.
Here's why we can y'all got beemons and we're gonna get rid of them. We are here. The chicken. We are here to exercise the Demons.
We need a goat. And three priests. But really that's kind of where we're at as far as how we do investigations. I hope this episode wasn't terrible.
I honestly thought we'd spend a lot more time talking about slender man's another somewhere awkward pauses in there as I was waiting for Disagreement and fighting and weeping wailing gnashing of teeth. Which is not here. Yeah. Well, if search is here.
We can't drug this another half hour. But speaking of half hour, we are. We have to run. Hope to go to Vegas and run man.
Well speaking of running. We are up on a hard Isn't it? It's about four or five miles from here. It's fairly close, but we do need to wrap it up so that we can get headed that way.
Yeah, don't be a fool. And next episode we will talk about that investigation and we'll hopefully have some other investigations. Shadow people. We'll tell you about my command.
I have been trying to find a day where we can actually have chunk on as a guest. I'm hoping that's gonna happen here in the next. Good luck. His schedule is tough and our schedule is tough and they're not very good.
Do you know what I'm excited for? I'm excited for our investigation coming up on the 26th. That should be a fun investigation. And I'm really super stoked to have a joint investigation with Laura and the rest of the life on the rocks ladies.
And that will be an episode in and of itself after we do that investigation. I really hope you will you game this during the day so I can come. I really hope I'm not dying because that's gonna be another radiation. So I may or may not be that investigation depending on how tired or sick I am.
You can just tell the BYU ticket. It's not like your team can win anyways. Um, I'll actually put him on this one. Because we are team minus four days to radiation.
And as soon as I'm glowing in there, I'm gonna give him the biggest tuckies every now. active man. I'll see if we can turn 10 to beer white. Zagago's.
They do nothing. Have a good night everybody. We will see you again in two weeks. Good night.
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