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Okay, it's it's a awesome super fun time paranormal adventure show seriously Gary you're never allowed to name anything again See I'm probably gonna have to read justice Mike stand like all night because it's broken I need to order new Mike stand Well, that's why you have to buy a new one because you keep adjusting it. You're using it too much. You've worn out the gears You can't play with that much or it'll break That's your mic sound like Harry Welcome to the Wisps show. I am your host Castle.
Welcome for another exciting episode And this will be our first episode in the while that has not been poltergeist related you're welcome those of you hate poltergeist With me today, we've got a cross me at the table. We've got Tim aka beaker. What's happening across me? Both got peaches hello, hello or brandy to my left we have silent dawn hello, and we have the end Hello back and we've got some guests today and today our show actually went a little bit weird because we had the whole different format lined up We had a whole different plan, but because of some work stuff that happened and some other things and stuff Which is really descriptive.
I know we've kind of mixed up the format today and actually we've invited some guests on I don't know that we invited more as they just got showed up. You know, it's true We multiplied like round it actually told me that I was a special guest and that I could be on well you are special I'm just saying that they can't hardly auto correct Short but special is purely auto correct that made it bad at the guest on there. Bye. Shave that you're special No, but what this has taught me is I clearly need to lock my doors Hey, we got a text saying just come in because you're expected.
Yeah, that's it That's how it's real if you're expected you're supposed to walk in if you come when you're not expecting you can walk in too But there's no guarantee of the wearing pants The risk is all yours. I was the first one here. I opened the door and yelled down the whole put your pants on And you heard a scrambling noise. It's just a minute So our guest today are the cast and crew from the life on the rocks we spot cast we have Laura aka special K Hello, also known as karma, which is her stripper name We have got Aaron and we've got Shayla.
Hi, I'd like to tell her special. She'll Have a nickname That's it. Have you podcast with us before? And I said appropriate things and I made people out and it was great.
Okay, you know, I really didn't even like I'm waiting to see I'm sure it's ever because it's gonna be like come in so I can hold this I'm gonna go I did have to go for the bottle of five-hour energy for him other day So do you need to come fix your microphone? Well, it's broken. It's like the screws all stripped out and it won't stay Oh, any to order no one's that's you Hey, this is important show business my mics So speaking of show business, let's get a few housekeeping items out of the way up front So for those who listen to our episode of caden one of our mediums he recently had a baby and I had a baby his wife had a baby It's true. It's true.
Yeah, you're probably right. Thanks. So it didn't happen. Yeah, you want to take a run with this?
Yes, so Let's her little heart she just cannot carry babies for very long and they were hoping that this one would carry a little further But she came about 10 weeks early and she's actually doing phenomenal But because of everything Kate has not been able to go to work and so he could really use some extra funds I have a go fund me on the Wisps page If you want to donate to that it would be greatly appreciated Babies doing well, but mom is back in the hospital with some internal bleeding that they're trying to figure that out So if you have you know if you can't donate very much every little bit will add up and it will sure help this cute little family And again that go fund me is on the Wisp page and it would certainly help out Kate As I watch a brandy feverishly texting other side of our texting they're donating I'm telling you what to do I'm looking for pictures of The highest quality audio engineering here on the wish show She's telling you to go get one of the guest stands. That's just you know chilling in there. Oh, that's not broken No, he's got to use his stand Okay time for you to stop talking and let's start over to the end I believe she had an investigation that she did that she wanted to talk about yes Dan tell us about Yeah, so I'm Silent don't and I only once hear that one on this but it was actually one of the coolest ones I have been on in a long time I have noticed when I go on it I When we go I noticed myself personally, you know, I'm slightly sensitive But if we take a medium with this I noticed that I just shut off because you know, I know that they're gonna tell us stuff So I mean I will investigate but I tend to shut off so we didn't have a medium with us this particular one And so I you know tuned in and it was a chiropractic office that we did get the okay from the chiropractor so that no one got fired We have had that happen And we walked in and I thought whatever it is It's over on this right hand side and we kind of did a walk through and everyone agreed Yeah, you know, we're all feeling stuff on the right hand side so it's in a bathroom we're in the bathroom and we have our ghost bro two and Ghost me to pro Tim's looking at me oddly Put it down we were getting some really relevant answers And you know, yes, no questions We determined that there was a male and a female spirit in there and silent don will have he's got an app on his phone that kicks out words And these words are usually very irrelevant And at this particular investigation they were very relevant you would ask a question I got this word that matched up exactly with that question so after we'd investigated and found out some stuff I actually shot caden Marco Polo if you're not familiar with that It's video text basically and I just said hey, you know, we're here we've been some investigating here's a little video of this bathroom What do you see and he came back with? There's two spirits in there.
There's a male and there's a female. I'm lucky. That's what we got and I'll try to keep this fairly short. We send it ended up sending crossing the man over the woman wanted to stay About half of this investigation I suddenly started to get very very anxious like I wanted to go home Don't be here and I couldn't figure out why and while waiting for cading to Marco Polo's back on another question We'd asked him he said and just so you know a type three has entered the building I thought well that explains a lot so we went around to where the type three was And we walked into a room that had floor to ceiling wall to wall gigantic enormous mirrors facing each other.
It was like my worst nightmare And we can't take them down, you know, we can't say oh throw these mirrors away or you know take them to the eye or whatever So couldn't really do anything to cleanse them But the type three seemed fairly tame anyway, so we told the female She didn't want to cross over we said at some point you want to cross over you just let this gal know the lady that let us in she was a receptionist so the next day The receptionist gets hold of me and just for privacy concerns will call her Susan Susan texted me and she said hey The chiropractor had an emergency come up today, so he needed all of his clients to be canceled She said so I came in today to cancel everybody and she said we have a board by the desk with every all of our patients that have their birthdays this month You know they picture in their name and she says while I was canceling his appointments one of our clients who has the same name as me Her picture kept falling off the wall. She said do you think this might be this female spirit trying to get a hold of me and tell me that She wants to cross and I said very possibly I said why don't you get a water bottle? You want empty water bottle set it on the edge of the table, so it's you know easy for her to push over and just ask her if you're ready to cross We push the water bottle over and she says yeah, hang on about two minutes later I get a text back saying yeah, she did it so We got her crossed over you know It was just a fun one to get some feedback on it was really fun to get you know for us to do our investigating and then get the feedback from the Medium later that everything that we had figured out was actually a thing so that you know major for like hey I'm actually holding my skills and then the feedback we got later Was really fun. Castle now has a working microphone, so I won't get the giggles anyway It was just a really fun investigation that was an operation getting that going by the way when I recorded the whole thing It's going on You know I think we just need to break it every week so that we can all get words and advice By the way for our listeners outside the state of Utah the DI is like a thrift store like the Salvation Army Yeah, so if you're outside of Utah that's what the I is I told you I was trying to talk because I spent a whole whole story because you're special so we did have one of the listeners ask you They wanted to follow up on one of the investigation of the peach and I peaches and I recently did and I just want everybody know That the family that we helped it was was one that one of the listeners actually invited me to a residential to help with and there Was the little girl spirit and the transgendered spirit the family's contact Any sense we've been there and they actually thank us for the work that we did in the atmosphere and the home has been a lot More positive Phil and things are going really great for the family They haven't had any problems since we've been there nice And really most of our investigations end up that way It's very seldom where we have investigations we have to go back over and over and over and over and we've kind of found that those times When we have had to go back over and over and over it's because they're something going on at the home that has not been addressed I somebody in the family's room around something they shouldn't and they haven't kind of come clean on it or something like that Usually if it's just a spirit hanging out there be it a type one two or three as long as there's nothing being anchoring it there such as a family member We're able to get things moved along pretty easy They think they want to cover housekeeping wise before we get into our questions for tonight and there there I actually do again.
We're not exactly sure when we're going to do kind of this personality paranormal episode But if you haven't had chance go to just Google type in Myers Briggs personality test see what you are And we're gonna try to make this interactive see how this goes. Yeah, that's kind of interesting to see what the different personality types are I think everybody here has taken it. I look at life on the rocks people I don't know if they'll have or not did you take it the same as the on actually don't remember what it was It's it's again because the end actually posted the link on the wisp's Facebook page I think it's 16 personalities calm. Yeah, and to be honest with you.
That's not my favorite version of the test I don't think it's as accurate as another version that's out there There's a million and they're free and they're pretty quick But the 16 personalities calm actually has I think the best descriptions that I've seen as far as a personality goes and interestingly enough I haven't seen anybody yet who's posted to share my personality type. I've seen a lot of consoles out there No, but you did get on the post and say hey, can anyone guess what castle is even love the end put it in the description I didn't see that part and so I didn't read the whole thing rude. I may have gone into leave that post because it made me look really stupid That's okay. I'm here to make sure that everybody on podcast knows I are smart I'm Marty Castle, I know someone has your personality type.
I've met a few people by me none of post of my personality type who do you know? My ex wife If anybody needs to hold in the car my microphone I So we had listener contact it's kind of interesting because we had a whole different show plan for tonight We actually did an investigation of your factory. It was a pretty interesting investigation back at this entire group I think me and Lara were the only two that were there but you got some pretty cool EBP's did you learn I did yeah, I'll save them but let's see them come back and touch on those on another show We're gonna be recording maybe a show tomorrow for our podcast and we'll be playing that some of the EBP's also fantastic But again because of some work issues we had we kind of changed the format up with the show tonight and a listener send us a new listener Send us a whole page of questions and there's some fantastic questions in there and I would like to cover them She also had some concerns and I think I've addressed some of those with her personally There's one though that she brought up that I want to kind of clarify for everybody before we're going and she mentioned She goes you know you guys on the show say not to investigate your own homes or investigate by yourselves She goes that you guys do it all the time and she was kind of concerned about the do as I say not as I do And I kind of want to clarify that real quick As to what it is we're doing and why we do it first off I would still tell anyone not to investigate their own homes if you were by yourself in your home and you're investigating your home You're just begging for trouble. I have had the group the group here to investigate my home I would not do anything like that without Brandy here present to tell me what is here so that I'm not Inviting and things that shouldn't be here or talking to things that shouldn't be here Same thing with the end song we've done the same thing there But also you guys know what you're doing and that's kind of the key where I'm getting at is my biggest concern is for a little Jimmy Who is listening to our podcast for the first time to go go to best games cool and to go grab his my little Ouija board and Huddle with a basement with black candles and talk to Shazrakke and dying which by the way is a spirit name I made up because it's hilarious.
She was wondering where that came from too It was like when we investigated your home or dance home This is not something that we just did on a whim or just decided to do we actually planned in advance because we've done cadence home We've done we did Lars Lars house and it's something we had at least four or five members of the team there So it's we did it how we would any residential investigation or any public investigation We made sure that we followed all the right steps that we were protecting ourselves and the family or you know the homes that we were in And it wasn't for a shit-sengigos you were doing it with a purpose most likely to prevent a problem or fix a problem What dns three-year-old daughter is having issues want and she's concerned about it Yeah, we go and check it out because of what the nature what you do you could have brought something back So it's like prevented medicine and see one of the time we did it for Dan's house She actually did bring something back from Boston Mm-hmm. She went to take a trip dawn and the ended and there was a spirit there that thought Dian looked like the accuser Her mother's accuser and followed her that followed her from Salem She was doing some pretty massive activity. I mean it was scaring her family So we did an episode with it on if you want more details on that's why we went into the house when it's bothering her and her kids I mean, she's got her kids safety in mind and that's why we investigated her house or same with Castle's house when stuff's going on here His house. He's got three little girls.
You know, he's concerned for their safety So that's why we put investigation investigation together and investigated his houses basically protects him and his family Yeah, so it really just comes down to the fact that a we know what we're doing and we want to prevent people who don't They're doing for just investigating their house by themselves In fact if you want to see someone who tinker's with something really dangerous We'll go to YouTube and watch videos by Stephen Huff have paranormal that guy does tons of investigations in his own home And the stuff he talks about happens in his home would concern me greatly You know if he's comfortable doing that more power to him But I would generally tell people do not investigate your own home See them by yourself Unless you know what you're doing or you got a group and so that's kind of the difference between us saying don't Investate your home and us having investigations in our home is that a we do know we're doing and be we've done it as a as a group as a purpose with a plan and a purpose and the knowledge to know and deal with what we're dealing with which moves into the other part Which is investigating by yourself now? Yes, I've peeled off investigate by myself and has the other has I don't know if there's anybody who's not gone by themselves at some point But I'm not allowed to put on purpose. She has a The thing there though is I may peel off by myself into a room But if trouble happens, I know that someone on the team is within a hundred two hundred feet And that's the key we're close enough to where everyone's a shot away. We carry two-way radios We've got a cell phone so if there's something going down we have a way to contact everybody else really quick Right, and then I'm gonna leave if they don't know where you are, right?
Yes, you know, it's like where's Tim I've been saying for an hour. Oh crap. Yeah, you're not you're not planning this entire Investigation by yourself and just going by yourself right going with other people you just right there rather than right here I would never go get in my car and just all by myself drive out to some place and just investigate with me right anywhere Asking for trouble. Yeah, and I would I would say that to I mean again like Dildes and his bank building for instance when we used to investigate that I would go off into a room by myself But that's the key is often to a room by myself people who are vulnerable to psychic attacks such as peaches We don't let peaches go up by herself because she is vulnerable and we know that I've never experienced a psychic attack Tim has but not to the extent that I would worry too much about Tim But again, he would just be in another room so if something did happen and I'm not as a So we carry two-way radios and phones and phones and I have been in the basement of that much people by myself Period of time but not for very long because the other thing is I've done this long enough I know what I'm feeling what I'm looking for and if I go down there and I'll send I'm starting to feel the heebie Geebies that to me is the warning sign that says it's time to find other people or not That happened on one of our other investigations recently you wanted to pill off and go investigate a room by yourself and you were there Maybe five minutes and you started feeling nauseous and and had to remove yourself and rejoin the group Mm-hmm because I recognize that feeling from other investigations based on what other people said and be honest with you I don't have that kind of thing happening very often right get the heebie Geebies or get nauseous But the minute I start feeling that way I am out I'm gonna go find everybody again because those are the warning signs and I recognize them whereas Again little Timmy gets on his bicycle and goes down to the local haunted house by himself He's asking for trouble because he doesn't have any experience doesn't have anybody there to back him up So when we do investigate by ourselves, we're not truly by ourselves We're usually within a stone throw of somebody else in the adjacent room or down the hall or like the Benson griss mill You know just one building away, but within two-way radio distance two-way radio distance I mean if you yelled loud enough someone's hearing you and they're coming around them.
Yeah, sorry We're never more than a shot away from each other So I just wanted to cover that and just make sure that was understood that when we do talk about going up by ourselves or Investing in our homes. It's not what you think it is And it's not what we're talking about when we say don't do it We still stand by by that statement. I don't investigate by yourself and don't just eat your own home And hopefully that kind of clarifies a little bit There's a bunch of fantastic questions in that email though, and I would love to talk about all of them At the end let's start with you. Did you pick out when you'd like to talk about?
Yeah, we were just gonna go down in order to keep it or that we could do that too keep it easy So the first question she asks is what do you think of the taps a group TAPS? She says I don't know if they're still around. Oh, it's here. Anyway, what do we think of their group?
So I know that their main guy who's face I can see who's gone. No Jason Haws All day. Yeah, Jason. I'm the other one I can't I can't the main guy taps Jason Haws.
Well the other guy. They're working main ones I'm in the one he's with her because we're in a chase. We know we can each other that is why so I can't think it was They know come on. It's not my turn anymore.
I was called the other taps guy the other taps guy So he recently retired. I don't know if they still have shows on that's a question. She asked I don't know if they're still like that guy that we're tired like years ago. It's been like four or five years ago.
Anyway, I'm Trying to answer the question. I really like their show and the reason why is you watch a lot of these ghost investigating shows and everybody is so excited You know everything puts it even did you hear that they were ones that they were trying to debunk it before they were trying to prove That it was paranormal and so for me They were very realistic to watch because every bump and crack and noise wasn't you know a demon trying to possess them at every moment Every moment like some of these shows are so I really like the tap show. I mean if you get a chance to watch it I would watch it pretty legit My rant my only problem with the taps guys and I would agree with you Dan sometimes though I think they take the debunking to a extreme I will agree with you sometimes I think I don't know I think that was kind of normal. Yeah, but for the most part I agree I like the fact that they take the time to debunk and kind of go through things because one of my pet peeves with Investing in people who every little bump scratch everything.
It's all paranormal It's not always all paranormal and so I like it when people take a step back and see if there's an alternate I mean they walk into a room where they say that yeah, the store opens and one of the you know By itself and so one of their first things that they will do is walk into a room and see if they can you know Get the door open by itself and then if it doesn't you know Then they'll start taking some eps or but I really like how they Are just pretty realistic about it and I watch it different than the rest of you So that's true because you can actually see the spirits and see when it's BS or when it's uh, it's really fun watching it with her I need to know have you do like a hundred-clucker marathon with me. No, I do that So we are not doing that is it just because I said I cut it with him or I need some cuddling to I'm lonely. I don't have a lie. There's enough time to go around I mean, I know I have to cuddle but I save it all for her and sometimes don Gently cross hands across the table.
It's a silent bond Very silent bond. I do right. I do have the next question It is what is with peaches and sprinklers? What's the story there and they're probably referring to the story that Changa likes to tell when you were psychically attacked And you ended up wandering through the sprinklers downtown.
So I've heard many versions of this story Is usually very elaborated so the only person that would really know I Wait, you're surprised faces the people's eyebrow I saw that here's my surprise face. I just told you the people I route my surprise face is the same as my I'm Disgusted face. It's not your own face. No To clarify the only person that probably knows really what happened would be castle because you know So what happened is the night before this particular investigation and this is part of the darker locations We investigate it's for Douglas and the night before at the end of the night.
Let me back up So in the basement there were some really dark type three spirits It was so bad that you could physically feel the negativity and darkness just walking into the building in fact We started calling that building the bad building and near the end of the night Brandy actually got attacked to the point where she had What essentially look like a seizure? We had to carry her off the property she receives several blessings before she kind of snapped out of it doesn't remember any of it So the following night we decided that Brandy could come back We thought long and hard about it But we said she could come back but the rule was that she couldn't go anywhere near the bad building and she had to have Basically North Korean style minder with her the entire evening. I was very chapped around a family. I had a babysitter So it was my turn to us Brandy I remember hey, where's Brandy?
I'm like, I don't know it was my turn to watch her So we decided we'd avoided the bad building pretty much all night and everything had gone pretty smooth that night Wasn't nearly as dark as I'd been the night before So we walked out now there's a building to the west and a building to the east and the building to the east is not Wasn't that negative? I mean I had some issues but nothing like it's a bad building and it was near the end of the night We're kind of closing down the venue. We're getting people out of there We're starting to you know shut things down and the peaches was standing right next to me and I was kind of patting myself on the back inside going Hey, this one pretty slick peaches didn't have any issues. Yay When all since she started kind of walking away from me and I kind of you know caught my head to the side I was kind of wondering what she's doing where she going And it was October and it was kind of late October and it was really cold outside and the hench Other sprinklers off yet, so sprinklers are going and she starts walking towards the bad building I'm kind of watching her kind of wonder what she's doing wonder where she's going I kind of figured she had something going on in her mind where she was checking on something and as she continued She started walking into the sprinklers and like I said, it was cold outside and so Since she started walking directly into the sprinklers which no sane rational person would do when it's that cold outside It kind of clicked that she was not functioning under her own volition and she was making a beeline for the bad building where the spirits Been trying to get her to go all night.
So at that point I kind of ran over there into the spread brush myself grabbed hold of her pulled her out And I think tend to show about that point I showed up on you guys finally brought her into the main lobby area I remember right she could still walk about it was really easy just to get grab her arm and just kind of steer her around And that sounds really kind of mean Okay, so Annie's version is is that we were all standing there at the end of the night getting ready to clean up and Somebody else had been attacked and everybody rushed to their aid and I was left alone and then that's when I had my attack I think I was right there But I wasn't I standing nearby but I was like maybe 10 feet away or so I watched walk over and into the sprinklers But then I remember that I did grab your arm I took you over into the building or the other Which we'll just call the other one When you're in Annie's and Chunga's version sits like don't anyway once we got you in there We were able to kind of snap you out of it, but if we had you back That's you didn't snap her out of it. That's when I had to carry her out to the parking lot So I mean I'm gonna jump ahead with one of the questions here as well I remember I remember this part because this is when I actually had the curse put in my shoulder Oh, that's right So you guys actually brought her into the main building and I just wanted to get her away from all the building All together so I decided to pick her up and carry her Towards the cars and that's when her hand like curled up in that weird little claw thing and started digging into my shoulder And from what we found out on the energy healing episode That's when the type three there had placed the curse on my shoulder I'm just kind of clarified that one of her other questions was the type three nurse from Fort Douglas It was actually the nurse was actually a separate spirit that had also made some sort of attachment attachment to me before this night So I actually had the type three there and the nurse which are two separate individuals two separate spirits That's both made some sort of like attachment to me on on different occasion But just to clarify there, you know, she did say you know, how can a nurse spirit be a type three and they can be coerced by us By a type three or I guess it's a type two they would be a type two at that point. So right here And I said that I realized when I stopped you're being dumb. She was a type one It was a completely different spirit So there was actually two spirits before Douglas that was involved in my shoulder The nurse was something that you guys had no idea about that was on investigation that Brandi and I did before we met you guys And then the night that we've just been talking about where she was walking through the sprinklers is when the type three had put its curse in my shoulder Anyway, so that's the more less the sprinkler story in a really large oversized nutshell And so but it was pretty creepy actually watching Brandi make a beeline into and through the sprinklers and And that was actually I think that's a couple of first real psychic psychic attacks that Brandi had that we experienced and for the first Few times experiencing those it was kind of freaky for the group of a brandy and all the way around All right, what do we got next Shailah?
Someone else on Aaron because we kind of what the way that this one's written I'm not really we didn't like the next question. We don't like it skip the one about the episode and then go to the next one That was our that was our hand have you ever thought of using sign language to communicate silently during investigations? Go with it. Yeah, no It's dark no.
Yes, the first thing it's dark and that's a lot of stuff to have to learn to be able to be Coming across the goes that we need to communicate that way. I think she means communicate So we can't talk to each other but no are If you need to talk talk and there's no reason for it to be quiet I mean there's been a few times where there's been an EVP that someone's talked over but just don't whisper That's always you don't whisper and we just haven't it's dark and and the same thing with you know Have you considered writing things down same thing it's dark. Yeah, that's the first thing we always say you know Tag everything say everything and don't talk hey Aaron. I'm over here There was another part to that too She mentioned if we thought about using sticky notes on a room where we left recorders as recording in progress and it's Yeah, that's the problem is it's a good concept It's a good idea in theory, but in reality you're in the dark and you're just not gonna see it the other thing too is when you're listening to EPP is it's completely silent.
It's hard to know it's like if I'm listening to an EVP It's like okay. I need to go back to when castle says Hey, I actually helps you figure out what was going on I actually kind of like some talking in there because then too sometimes it's easy to decide if it's an EVP or if it's Someone who's whispering because of the context of whatever we talk about a few times. Yeah, so that's in grist We were all talking somebody had just seen a spider because there was a little bit of light from someone's phone And I had caught one that I was looking through a notebook and you hear those little kids say are you looking for something? And I knew everybody that was in there and so I knew that that was an EDP what one of the other things too that I've noticed And investigating is sometimes you get the best EVPs when you're just talking because there it wants to interject in your conversation So I could be like hey Shilah, how you doing how's your horse and it's pretty maybe say something like out of horse once and you're like oh hey There's an EDP yeah, well How one of my favorites is from the city county building when you were introducing everybody like hi Gracie My name's Castle.
This is Heather. This is Brandy. This is so and so on five of the people I don't know and you hear really clear Gracie respond with hi. Yeah, that's my favorite all time Maybe peace people talk about you because that's one of the first ones I always play.
Yeah, I know that's one of my favorites It's that the spirit was actually Responding to you you were saying hi to yourself and she said hi right back I see and I think some of our best EVPs are ones that are responses to things that we have said out loud as opposed to Just putting the recorder in a room and leaving so other than the fact that's dark I mean it's a good idea in theory, but in reality I don't know that it'd be very practical Well, it's not how because she was saying that all she knows is stuff off of TV when you watch on TV They have a certain light that does the dark that what's like the night vision? Yeah, it's not actually like that when you're there you can record that way, but you it's completely dark when you're Well, not everyone has a camera like that because mine cost me like $400 and I'm gonna drop that much money on camera Yeah, and that's the key is a lot of times unless people got really obnoxious lights Which always annoys me on investigations when there's so many lights that you can see everything It's usually pretty dark if you're doing it right. It's I mean there's been times I've set in the pitch dark room And I can see literally nothing. Yeah, that's why we have our glen the dog shoes.
Yes Which you can get a Walmart now What do you got for a floor? All right, I'm gonna go to the animals one because the pen and paper one I just we can't answer that. Yeah, I kind of yeah I'm curious to see what Randy has to say about that about this do because I think I think yes But this is coming from somebody I own somewhere around 40 animals I have a lot of animals that says can animals get possessed. Thank you.
I tend to do that I like to go religious here and ask you if you've ever read the Bible Go over to cover. No, there is the story on their requires cast the demon into the pigs To kind of go along with that question we also had a listener Kimberly contacted us about pretty much the same thing I'm not necessarily wanting to know if animals could get possessed, but it was along the lines of animal spirits and pet spirits if they're around and if Randy's ever seen any so just kind of we'll have like a little segment here on Animals and one another can be possessed and spirits and stuff you've seen. Oh, okay, so I'm putting put on the spot Yes, animals can get possessed just like any other living thing Also, yes pets do have spirits and I have seen many spirit animals one of the very first investigation I ever took with Wisps There was a spirit animal there it was actually a dog at the backyard and we told the family about that and they were kind of Excited about that that was actually really interesting because again That's one of the first investigations and you mentioned to me that there's a dog in the northwest corner of the property I intentionally kind of kept you sequester from the homeowner And they brought up I asked him something or but anyway It came up that a dog had been buried on the property asked him where and they hadn't talked to you and they put it right for you So the dog spirit was yeah, so that was kind of interesting validation at the same time I say which is cool because I get a lot of people asking all the time Well, how do you know that your mediums legit and are not just all full of crap and it's one of the things I say, you know what I've had instances where I've been able to verify the information They're giving me and that's one of the instances that I like to use is the fact that you were able to provide information about where their dog Was buried that nobody would have known except for them unless you had gone and put a shovel in their yard in the middle of the night You don't want to shovel do you? I own shovel but she makes me use it I did the digging yes Just like over there there's gold But yes animals can get possessed just like any other human being or animals they just The reasoning is different usually if an animal is possessed It's because it's being used as a tool to allure somebody else in but they actually that the demon actually wants So they use the animal as a you know a learning tool or you know It's been used in some kind of a kind of ritual of some sorts and it's become possessed on purpose Why can I share a quick story about why I really believe that they do so when we my husband I first got married We had two dogs before we had any kids and all in Molly and not always quite a bit older her hips gave out We put her down and they were best friends and just over the course of about two months after Nala died Molly Just went downhill she would just stare out the window all day because you know I mustn't get depressed as much as people do And I have a my own personal story where I I went through weird bad depression where I I have a story where I'm like I'm pretty sure I was partially oppressed So I think that when people get depressed it's easier for those spirits to go into it So I don't think there's any exception for a dog But there was one day that out of nowhere We actually got another dog for Molly so that she wouldn't be alone and she just attacked her out of nowhere one day I went out there I used to work for I know you shouldn't pull a dog off of another dog that's attacking that dog by with animal control I felt like I knew this dog that I could pull her off when I pulled her off the look that she gave me in the way that she was I was like this is not this is not my dog and I knew that something had probably found some loophole to get in her because She's already so vulnerable.
We ended up having put her down. Yeah I mean it's terrible My dog and we can have attacks just like I have mine and I mean between attacks and full-on possession That means there's a fine line, but it is possible Kim John Ross the next question. Yeah, I'm just gonna add on to that quick though As far as like animal spirits go yes, those are around too. I personally have an attachment Myself and it's not of the humankind my attachment is one of my cats So it's possible that when you pet stay around and make sure that you're okay So and I've had this confirmed by not only by brandy by like three other mediums in fact I said there are some cats spirits in my own home.
How many are here brandy remind me two or three? There's two there's two. Yeah, the dog to the That's right. That's right.
I can't eat of a dog spirit home. She Yeah, we came to Castle's home and she was like oh, that's great So she wanted a pet so she brought it with us and I was just that's awesome. Um, you need to go take that back I was not being shit over. I'm like, oh, well, okay My favorite I guess it's sort of an animal that I had to ask peaches about once as far as spirits go Was at the Natural History Museum.
Yeah, the dinosaur. Yep. She saw a dinosaur spirit That was so cool. All living things have spirits which would be interesting when we die I'd like to see how it all ties together I would too I don't doubt I would just want to see how it all ties together I'm gonna let DM and peaches answer this next question because there well peaches is involved in the question and Dans more of our crystal expert But when peaches gets channeled with touching her with celinite help or hurt.
I just want to know what I'm thinking I don't think it would hurt as as far as I'm letting them talk because we never let them get a bit of an edge in the word white To be honest, I've had celinite touched to me and it doesn't hurt it actually feels really really good While you're being possessed. I don't know that I'm being possessed at that time, but I held it in my hand I think it would I would think it would or channeled more is what the question is not possessed. Yep, my Where am I going with this? I think that the intent behind the question is would it make like the Channeling turn into a possession or is it gonna affect the channeling anyway?
It's kind of what I think she's going for here I don't think so in my experience and I know Tim has been with me on multiple occasions when we've done this If someone's getting attacked it actually tends to help it doesn't always help but it's more inclined to help It's yeah, there's been one occasion where I've actually seen it was actually detrimental it hurt the person physically When I touched on it to the back it actually started burning because of what was in the inside of them This is actually the family tree I touched on it to her back and it actually started physically burning her that it left a mark on her back There's an instance where peaches with was with me and be and caden and caden started channeling and it got to a point where It became pretty evident to all of us that whatever was channeling through caden needed to go by by it was actually tight Three that was channeling through caden and verbally speaking to us and that's kind of what I had the impression That's what I need to do is basically put that cell on his back And it as soon as I did it more much jumped out of him And so usually if I see someone getting attacked they're getting touched with some cell night I would think it would probably depend on the level of spirit if you get you know again Shadrach it might not do much However, caden and silent Don and I were on an investigation not too long ago This is the one where we use the genie jar the first time went the second time I use the genie jar you guys I get them getting on Yeah, I don't just I went the first time we went there were several type three's there's probably about eight and King used I had us to consolidate with me He used the selenite to help him do his energy push what she usually doesn't do he can usually do it without an aid But he took him a long time usually is pretty quick with this stick forever and when he was done It's selenite if you've never seen it before is white It's kind of a creamy milky white and the tip of my selenite probably by an inch was just black And we had to use another piece of selenite to clean the piece of selenite that he used so it's not necessary It's still great on the tips kind of thing that not they didn't want to do anything about it But I saw my damage Okay Well then all right, so next question she asked well I actually I want to jump into this question. That's a little farther down But it's on what we were talking about here when stonas absorbed evil and it is touched to sell it Where does evil go can you do the same with object attachments and to sell it by the type one spirits? Since we're kind of already on the subject of selling I'd throw that in there too So if I find if I'm an investigation and I'm starting to feel heavy and I take some selenite I don't know where it goes But I do I can feel all the negative energy just leaving Peaches might be able to tell us better where that stuff goes I don't know where they go more than likely they just go away because they don't like the way it feels it burns them It hurts them and they're just like I don't have anything to do with this as far as the What do you say? Where does it go and what is it?
I don't know where it goes So where do we go? Can you do the same with object attachments? Attachments you can touch a piece of selenite to it but more than likely once it gets it's an actual attachment So that's not gonna do a whole lot of it might be like a temporary type of thing But it's not gonna go completely away. I know there's an investigation Deanna night did that the the crib had negative energy on it It wasn't an attachment But it did have a lot of negative energy and we were able to reduce if not get rid of all of the negative energy by touching selenite to the crib It took a couple goes right if it was like an attachment that it's a probably a temporary thing If I could throw in maybe a visual thing to think about The selenite gets rid of negative energy and just imagine I was like a fart cloud or something like that It's just like you turn on a fan and I just kind of Gives a life for free That's the best thing people.
Okay, that's the best analogy you could come up with He's a guy. He's a guy. Come on. He's a guy.
Anyway, but it just dissipates I mean I don't know that really goes anywhere. It's just like a bad odor or anything else You just it goes away. It just dissipates Yeah, this isn't necessarily negative energy is necessarily a spirit But if you get a negative entity that's hanging around you, it can leave some residual negative energy not a fart cloud The next question we have is about dousing rods and the question is what do dousing rods do and do we like them in theory dousing rods? Yes, yes, that's a great answer What do they do?
Yes, they kind of works the same way as I can emf meter. I I'll be completely honest I have no idea how they work. I do know they do work. I actually have some to be completely honest I'm glad that you're being honest.
That's my way of saying that's my way of saying it just to be Frank But your castle I know Get it Frank castle the punter curve. I give away a secret so and Kaden uses them a lot I've actually talked to and another psychic that or medium that I know and and Jen watch as well from what they say with the dousing rods is it's kind of like what you said with the K2 meter the spirits have to tap their energy into it and Most of the dousing rods that I should use actually have like little tubes around it that you hold So you're not physically touching the dousing rod So it makes it almost impossible for you to control which way these things are going So the spirits will actually tap into them and they're very particular on who they want holding the dousing rods So they've actually seen where when I held it They didn't want anything to do with it as soon as I handed it back again. They were going crazy And it's the same like you know they handed it off to someone else and it would work But then someone else it wouldn't so they're very picky on who's holding the dousing rods But you basically like the ghost made a pro you ask yes or no questions and it will cross or uncross and they do work We use very often so we have the play we do have them they do work We just don't use them terribly often and to be honest with you I don't have a good reason why we don't use them very often because I mess with them and you're like is that you That's true. I forget how to happen Yeah, Pete's can throw her energy and make them and real quick I'm gonna answer the next question shazrat the end dying for anyone who's ever played the game Dungeons and Dragons They always have these weird names for different creatures and demons and shazrat the end dying is just kind of a dungeon and dragon Escamame so we just use a comic-cleater for some really evil nasty imaginary type three So when you're here, she say you'll invite shazrat the end dying into your home.
It's not an actual entity It's just the kind of generic name we use for inviting some scary demon into your home Do anyone run up an excellent yes, yes, I'm not prepared Says with object just object attachments can spirits unattached themselves to attach to other items and the answer would be yes There are even with possessions. There's something called a transient possession where a type three can possess more than one person It just kind of takes turns so if you know someone and that seems totally normal You know one day, but a week later you're wondering what the heck it's very possible that a woman It could be attached an object because they hey, I like that object better It could you know go on a walkabout and visit some other objects that it's attached to Transference there's there's a maybe on transference the next question is way Involved with that like can equipment get attachments obviously yes because it's an object and objects no touch What can you protect them is the question? I'm gonna feel that one towards beaches. Why because I don't do electronic things I always just I've never had anything attached itself to my equipment Which is myself like or my stones I should say I stones But somebody doing our job Big stones just what happened huge stones, but or my crucifix or anything else.
I usually put mine in the sunlight I use salt water. I use so when I those type of Things like the agents. Yeah, I think they just there we go. Oh words, but I Never had that issue so I wouldn't know I had something attached to my hat at the family tree Yeah, I know Tim has a kind of ritual that he does with his equipment.
Do you want to talk about that Tim? Yeah, but that's not appropriate for this show I'm there So I actually leave all of my gear in my car This is actually from a different podcast that I've heard it was a suggestion from a friend of mine when I first started getting into investigating He wanted to make sure that I was safe and what I did and what she suggested and it's not with just your stones or Your your crucifix but with your equipment and and whatnot as well. It's I just leave everything in my car For a full Sun cycle and a full moon cycle that helps get rid of any attachments or any energy that your equipment might have picked up So not my point stones. Yeah, so that's why I said my stones in my my equipment I leave it in my car or somewhere out in the Sun so it gets a full Sun cycle and full moon cycle and like I said something I picked up from another podcast that friend of mine had me listen to So I actually none of my equipment comes in my house the night that I do an investigation It's in my car for two or three days before I bring into my house just to kind of get rid of any energy that it might absorb Any attachment it might have picked up.
So if anyone wants a free gear If you guys need any holy water, I can get that too if you want that I mean personally I haven't really worried about it I figure if some of my picks up an attachment then I can kind of be just to say hey that things got attachment. I love thank you To be honest, I'm just gonna let it do it. Why is my K2 floating around my house? I just I personally don't worry about it, but yeah, definitely make up attachments Aaron you want to know something yes I want the three of you to answer this question.
I like this question because it made me think of Stranger things so we're using 26 flashlights associated with each letter of the alphabet to handle the spirit To have them answer the question without the different from using a Ouija board I just made me think of when the mom had the Christmas lights and she All and he was making them blink to spell out stuff. I think that is different than a Ouija board. No, it is not no I'm wrong Run with this and like why do you think it's different than a Ouija board? It just seems different from a Ouija board to a Ouija board summoning the devil and Shazwack in Flashlights set out.
It's I don't know it just seems like a good idea of a waste of energy It doesn't like it was super ever it takes too much time on an investigation I think you can get a lot of information from yes, no questions and 26 flashlights That's a lot of batteries and stuff really probably difficult for a spirit to navigate Yeah, I think it'd be like what if it's demonic it has endless energy so it really doesn't matter I don't have any I don't have any Right, we don't have energy for five hours five hour energy Do not have a lot of my bets The spelling part that makes it like a Ouija board or how how is it like a Ouija board? You are talking to something that you have no idea what it is You can't see it. Well, Ouija board is basically the alphabet with a like yes Because whether you're using a kt or dowsing or whatever we're talking to something that we don't know It's different. Let me get into this for a second first off.
Please explain with the rest of us I know everything yes because you can see them and haven't tried that before well Let me interject this then I want to try the comments so first off 26 flashlights at about 20 bucks apiece That's a lot of money. Sure, so I'm not buying 26 flashlights I've got four and that's plenty because that's like eighty bucks right there Not mentioning batteries. It's just cost wise. It's pretty prohibitive The biggest thing between like say the Ouija board and the ghost box and the other piece of equipment we use is the Ouija board You are actually touching the planchette and you are more less inviting spirits to control your body to move the planchette That's the biggest problem with the Ouija board and so yeah, you're still communicating I agree with brandy you don't know you're communicating with that's just kind of the same vein with all ghost investigations The big difference is with this Again Ouija board you're inviting the spirit to move your body to move the planchette versus Them just manipulating the flashlight, which is where I guess I didn't think it was exactly top of that If you got three or four spirits we've had investigations where three or four spirits are screwing around the equipment you're getting these weird Confusing answers about we have a satisfactory you can tell there were more one spirit and we're fighting over the You're not gonna be able to figure out what they're trying to spell because you're gonna get five different spirits doing AB What does the goobly?
What can I see? Yeah, all of you have done this before because I've done this before what the 26 flashlights? Yes, really it's not anything How did that go? We can do that?
That's cool. That's cool. And what kind of response I mean do you get intelligent responses? Yes, you can't get intelligent responses.
It takes a lot longer obviously because they're using flashlights, but it is Similar to using a Ouija board. They intent is the same. Okay, it's all with the intent of what you're doing So it'd be the same as I've seen on an investigation where someone was using they had the alphabet written down on the board and They didn't have a planchette. They were holding a pendulum and the pendulums swinging around and somehow picking out letters that the person I don't know how the hell they were following it But they were getting answers from it and I mean it was relevant to what we were asking So I don't know if she was making up the answers on her own or if this is how the thing worked But essentially I mean Kate didn't he didn't like it either if I recall because to us It seemed so much like a Ouija board but at that point it almost seems like you're more asking the spirit of the entity or whatever to control the The pendulum itself and not so much you yes, but you're holding the pendulum right?
This is true. Okay, and so you have touched all of those Those flashlights to set them up and you have written the alphabet in your home on a wall somewhere Unless you're gonna like erase it. That's you're opening a portal in your home at that point. Mm-hmm Okay, I can I can wrap my head around that but ultimately no whispering sorry No, it's right for the point.
No, you guys are fine Yeah, so I can wrap my head around that but again I still would recommend not screwing up the Ouija board or apparently this right if you want to like I think they're easier ways to communicate Right if you're gonna put it on like a chocolate or any race it sure you're still even though you've erased it You've still opened it because you've asked questions already that that communication is already open So it's easy to just have them jump in the kid and then talk to us that way. Yeah, we'll just sacrifice Kate Excuse me. All right, who's next who's up? Just a little bit because Laura and I can answer this one Decently, I guess I hope do spirit get bothered by hot work.
Well and Aaron can too, right here. We had A spirit asked him if he was cold and he said he liked having us there because we were warm Yes, it was very cold that night. It did start snowing eventually and a couple of the places actually there was the one the Not really a top was far Sorry, I was so sad But yeah, there was a spirit there that we kept talking to and yeah He liked us being there because it was actually warm and we were singing Christmas songs And he was he loved the energy that was there and the joyfulness and the so they keep coming off of us and everything Yeah, cuz we asked him like are you cold? He was like, yeah, you know, so I think they do from what I've gotten but I Could have this wrong I could be remembering wrong, but I think I remember Peach is saying once that any like the cold she liked going outside when it was snowing.
Yeah, she likes the cold so and When she touches you like if you've ever had any touch you you feel very ice cold on that part of your body She is a very cold person. Yes, she is I've actually had her sit on my right hand side on the investigation and yeah, it was freezing Now there's a couple questions in this email that are here specifically towards peaches why? I'm not interested in that sense We just said do they feel hot or cold, but you're saying that they actually just are cold well Annie is cold I don't know about others. Yeah, the other spirits could be warm or which is like so that makes that right But she is a very cold individual and she likes it when it's nice nice.
It wouldn't rain that time She's that's just part of her. I mean now someone some spirit like the heat could be warm Well, I know when we went to the Stanley Hotel the tour guide They're told us that they seem to have more activity towards the winter time because it just kind of seems like all the spirits that are out in the woods Whatever kind of gravitate towards all the people that are saying the hotel So it's just that's actually gonna be more noticeable because We have theories on you know, weather and the involvement with spirits and it does seem like yeah It can bother them like the hotter the cold just depending on What type of spirit they are when they died like for Annie she died in a fire So it makes sense that she likes the cold. Mm-hmm. Yeah She's crispy.
All right. We're running out of time So let's move on to a couple of questions that we have for peaches. Nope First off, you just can spirits cross the salt water. Yes, like the ocean Yes, they can because well at least as far as an attachment goes any is my attachment So when I've flown back and forth from here over the pond to back home She is attached to me.
So therefore she can cross now as far as like just one deciding to walk off across You know the pond over to the United States by itself. I don't know Because I've never never really seen that happen. I'm pretty sure it could be possible for the human spirit I know and he doesn't have any problems with salt Well, my thing on this is you've told me that um impure spirits cannot pass their salt Well when uh spirits with you They still have their tendencies that they have them when they're alive So like when you board an airplane and he's gonna want to occupy her home seat So in my opinion, you're not just gonna find a spirit that's gonna try to walk across the ocean because that's not something they could do when they were alive Right, but if they know that they're dead and they find out that they can do things that a normal human couldn't do Well, let's go out to the great salt lake and ask Annie to walk across them to what happened See if she'll do it. I'm pretty sure she went blind.
All right Here's another any question that hopefully if you just can answer for us How does any travel between homes or from your home to an investigation that you don't attend? So Annie is an intelligent haunt and her energy is attached to mine So as long as you know, I'm still alive. It doesn't matter if I'm there or not Um, she can find other people's energies like she knows castles energy She can find him and hone in on his energy and be there without me But I actually saw Annie today by the way, I forgot to mention that I was sitting here alone And I thought I saw her walk across my bedroom You know, there's a few different ways attachments work Um some are all the time that they cannot separate from you Almost like possession type of thing But I also spirits like Annie where we share Energy and she can leave but our energies are still attached. I mean energies can stretch far I mean it doesn't have to be close proximity So she can go somewhere and I'll know where she you know is most of the time and she can communicate to me from wherever she's at Does Annie use portals?
No, Annie does not use portals. Do you want to explain why? Um most of the time portals have an entrance and an exit and most spirits don't know the exit point So if she were to walk through one, um, that would be her detaching for me And she'd probably end up having to cross over or attach herself to somebody else Um because she doesn't know where she's gonna end up There's no guarantee where she's gonna be and where she's attached to me for a reason Um because she had similar gifts as mine And I had a tragic birth and she thinks that she's my guardian. She would not separate herself from me All right, can you see auras in pictures?
Yes Yeah, I know because of course, you know that because every time we hang out You've got like pictures of like 12 different people on here. What's their aura? What's their aura? He's actually going through Tinder Or bumble or whatever you She said the aura color and he swipes up or down or left or right I'm not getting a yellow again Yellow's are good It's you know, it's the blacks you gotta stay away from Lawrence Lawrence they're referring to her center hate melton beaker at wisps.org beaker at wisps.org Red's all our purples.
Okay. Now. I have purple aura, but he didn't know what that meant Google it. I don't think your or is purple.
I don't know. I can see it He might be singing different ora She sees the personality aura and I'm gonna go on a limb here and say yours is more green How is this a lime green with a yellow halo? Green green So from what I do know an ora is green usually means that you're Creative and somewhat into the arts are artistic Which is why I was kind of able to guess your work out because I listen to your show and I know that you can see painting and stuff like that So that's that's kind of where I got the I don't know what the personality is on. I just like that's your color.
You have to look it up. Great. Go for it. Have to be chatty My chatty Yeah, I'm talking all right.
So here we go. He's just kidding. Oh Getting where you communicate with Annie. Do you hear her mentally or see pictures or hear her voice like she's talking to you I hear her voice like she's talking to me So to kind of expand on that pizza sees spirits like she sees people They're they're in there in full color.
They look just how they did when they died to her So they communicate with her exactly how I would communicate with her or castle communicate with her the differences is we can't see them She can I have a question Have to touch your So you can see spirits and they look like you and me kind of a thing how do I know that happens? Yeah, I mean are they really a little more sheer or are they They are really more sheer and their energy is different from a living person. Okay, um your energy sort of changes What it looks like on the outside. So that's how I know or when you see the guy walking around fear factor without a head So now we kind of touched on orchards a little bit your animals have orders.
Yes animals have orders also In fact, I'm actually gonna go a step further and say that all living things have orders including grass and trees and if it has a spirit it's got another rocks All living things have or when I took um that second class the empath class I don't remember what it was called but it took a class and when we did the oral section That was one of the things she told us to do to practice in orchards was go stare trees and stuff Yeah, so living things have orchards Where do you think yeah, where do you think your spirit might go when you are attacked Is he referring to your your your protective? Yeah, so like when you're attacked like for example at the where does any go? Yeah, it's pretty much So like when I have a psychic attack, I'm not Currently there so I don't know what's going on. So I hear from her what's happening after the fact and usually she's watching She doesn't I mean she's part of me.
So when I'm hurting she's hurting And so she's probably just standing you know back there in pain just watching what's going on Anything about it, it's whatever that question I got a little bit differently that she's wondering where your spirit goes and you're attacked Where does mine go? I don't know And my answer to that would be that I think her spirit is there it just kind of takes a back seat for a minute while whatever it's Yeah, whatever it's powering me again. I think it's just kind of hiding in a spot where I think there's a spot somewhere in there that You know they can't get to so you're kind of hiding that so they can't fully Actually read this we record on Sunday. So just I know these come out on Wednesdays But I actually was reading some some Sunday religious type reading and the discussion was about The what Tim talked about earlier about the evil spirits that Christ put into this wine And there were over 2000 but in this this discussion it said um and if you go in and read the scriptures, it's like I just lost everything gone gone.
Um, it just talked about how the man's spirit got so overwhelmed by all these other spirits that it was kind of suppressed And the other spirits just took over kind of push down and it pushed down and then after Christ Yeah expelled all these evil spirits. They went in the hogs and then they went and drowned There was this man that everyone had been scared of you know for years and he was just sitting there quiet and you're I mean Because he was you know his spirit was allowed to kind of come forth against I think it stays in your body. It's just repressed Yeah, because like I said, I mean when I ever I have an attack. I'm not currently present So if you have no control over your eyes, you're you know, you're having no input so you don't know what's going on.
Yeah So it's almost in a sense like falling asleep. Um, do they have any more questions? They were kind of running close there is one that I did want to touch on Um, thanks and brandy and I kind of did some research on this all the way down here And the question was um, you believe in when to goes or when it goes or not real but uh, you do I'm sorry it was you don't believe when it goes but you believe in skinwalkers or skinwalkers are real Okay, so what's the when to go? So what a when to go is uh from what I from what I understand this correctly basically It's more of like the Native American version of a werewolf Um, with with the exception on this is once they've turned into this giant monster wolf type thing there is no turning back It's just what they are Um, and they're very they're very large.
They're very swift. They're very powerful. So when it's so important. They're physical Yeah, as opposed to being spiritual so when someone emails me and tells me that they've fought off a horde of when to go I don't find it exactly believable just based on you know, if if they are actually real Um, based on what I've read about them.
There's no way there's no way in hell that people in the people fought off a horde of when to go Yeah, there's no way The way I work is unless I've actually seen it with my own eyes. I don't believe it Um, as far as the skinwalker goes, do I believe they're real? Yes and no Uh, when I have a spirit down at the family to restaurant that refers to himself as the skinwalker I'm gonna go with yeah in this particular case. Yes skinwalkers are real Um, for what we read on the skinwalker is uh, it's more of a Native American shaman or witch That basically is so evil that they pretty much have sold their soul to Gain these unearthly powers that they're able to shape shift in and out of human and animal form They can shift into whatever animal they choose But they most likely wear the pelts of the animal that they choose to shape Shifting to the most uh, for example the the skinwalker at family tree the first time pizza saw him She said hey, who's that guy in the corner wearing a wolf head?
Um, so From that aspect, yeah, I mean because she's physically seen him now whether or not he shapeships I have no idea. I've never seen it. I've never had anyone say that he has but it's not a permanent But it's not a permanent thing where as a wendigo it is right and I heard of shapeshifters You know the the skinwalkers where they'll skinwalk they'll put on different pelts depending on what they want You know like they want to be able to go and spy on someone and so they'll do a raven and they'll put on a cloak of raven Um feathers and then one time they want to be sneaky so they'll be a you know a fox and so they'll change Their persona based on what skill they need at the time But this is an exact physical It's not a not the spiritual they've passed on since yeah, we're talking about we talk about a skinwalker or a wendigo In the physical world that we're dealing with I could even see that as being an actual thing. I don't maybe they are so I mean, it's totally possible.
I mean I mean when they go it could be possible, but I've never actually physically encountered one So I mean if you've got actual evidence if you can show me that when to go exist I will agree with you 100 percent But until I actually see legitimate evidence with my own eyes that when it exists I'm kind of more on the skeptical side That's just kind of how I look at everything So the only reason why I would say that a skinwalker does actually exist is because there's a spirit at family tree that refers to himself as a skinwalker Well, and to me it went to go as more a physical thing whereas a skinwalker is almost more of like a religious Yes, exactly So they were like they're like they're like a winter shaman Well, they reach a certain level of priesthood and then they have to sacrifice Somebody that one of their family members that they are close to in order to achieve the skinwalker status And from what we've been told the the gentleman down at family tree said he killed his own son by slitting his throat Which means after after he sacrificed and then he gained this, you know ultimate You know demonic whatever you want to call this evil power to be able to achieve this I don't I don't know what I almost want to face repentant because He seems more like and I've mentioned this before um, Don and I went down there one time just to eat I mean we weren't there on a ghost hunting capacity at all And as soon as we walked in I could feel Lucy's hackles raise And we sat down to eat and I could feel the skinwalker come over and stand by us and the feeling because I can feel emotions His emotions were hey, you know back off. They're just here to eat and he stood by us the whole entire time They were there eating um, you know in the protective mode. I mean to me. He's not scary to me.
He's very protective and very Stalbert, so right but according to the description that we read it's usually they do that in order to gain these These powers they make a sacrifice just like you know when satanic Virtual they make a sacrifice top of things. Well, I can say I want to be protective of you because The way native americans are I would assume it's even if they've done their deed to become evil or whatever They they're still very protective of what they consider to be their land So the family tree the land it's on he considers his and you've got you know Lucy and jj there that basically he feels are intruding on his his land So he's gonna you know He knows what we've been trying to do and that we try to protect people from those particular entities Um that he's gonna probably decide more with us because it's probably one of the things where I could be completely wrong in this But to me it seems like the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Yeah, and I would agree with that We're actually kind of run out of time But before we do close up for the night, um, Tim brought up a very good point that I'd like to make and the author very mail and we greatly appreciate Feedback we love it. We'll address it.
We'll change things if we need to change some things Uh, but the author is concerned that we make fun of people sometimes with sent us emails and just be where we get hundreds of emails Um, and the only ones that we actually do put fun on here We've never put 20 of anybody my name, but the only ones you'll really hear us talk about are the ones where someone just goes flat out Batch it crazy for lack of the fields, right? If they're wondering is to investigate the lowest parking lot because there's a lot of ravens out there or if they're fighting off Words of when to go. Yeah, we're gonna talk about that make fun of it and that's gonna continue Well, and they also mentioned, you know that apparently we bash or make fun of our clients Which is I mean we do talk about investigations. We've done in people's houses, but for the most part We're very respectful to the families we don't release any private information And we usually don't make fun of the families like we're actually there too But generally help them deal with whatever they're dealing with now There are times where like the 12 house we mentioned where they're so far gone that they're not actually they're asking for help I mean in that particular case, I'm still 100% convinced that that reason why we're called to the houses because they wanted to kill brandy Simple as that and we've had a few investigations like that where it fills more and more like a trap than an actual legitimate Request for an investigation, but going along with what Tim just said We are actually really good friends with most of our clients that we've ever had I we still keep in contact with everybody Yeah, it's uncommon for me to go more than a week without hearing from cleave I hear from some of the other ones on facebook all the time.
We actually have a very very good working relationships with almost every single one of our clients Now there are times you use like people as cautionary tales like if you're involved with drugs or if there's abuse going on or this or that or the other You know and I don't think that you're poking fun at people you're just trying to explain How certain situations arose from the environment? Right, so I just want to clarify that and so if anybody else is feeling that way just understand that when we are Talking about things we are talking about cautionary tales or and again if we get the emails of a really out there and left field That are kind of almost funny crazy. We're gonna talk about it. Yeah, I mean when you email us and say that Jesus Christ gave you the Original lyrics to run DMC songs.
Yeah, they stole them from you Did we talk about the email? We did okay, I was gonna say yeah that was one that we did make fun of because it was just out there Anyway, we do need to wrap it up. We've gone a little bit long. Okay, so anything else I'd like to add to the show tonight.
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