Solutions Interview: Steven Hail on MMT & ecological economics

TL;DR: I’m casting around for new ideas and ways of thinking about Aotearoa’s political economy to find a few solutions to our cascading and self-reinforcing housing, poverty and climate crises.Associate Professor Steven Hail runs an online masters degree in the economics of sustainability at Torrens University in Australia and is organising a two-day seminar in Auckland Tāmaki Makaurau on the weekend of August 10-11, which I’m attending. Here’s the detail and his announcement via X. I wanted to find out a bit more about the course and these ideas, which are very different to what I was taught in my economics classes and the way that most economists and financial boffins still talk about both the economy and way we interact with the planet.Here’s the full interview above and there’s a text transcript, which you’re all welcome to read. Rather than give my view, it’s worth reading and listening for yourself, in part because I’m still in the exploration stage.Enjoy! And I look forward to meeting any fellow attendees.CheersBernard This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thekaka.substack.com/subscribe