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This episode we discuss the law and story thus fire of the cinematic version of Sonic the Hedgehog, revealing hidden references and just how in line the movies are with the games. Warning, this episode contains spoilers for the first and second Sonic the Hedgehog movies, as well as the accompanying TV show and comics enjoy it. Something called me thinking the other day, I was talking on Discord with one of our, uh, Discord members. I believe it was Josh, if I'm correct, I'm correct, about, he asked a question.
He listened to a lot of our stuff and even seen some of my recordings, and he was just double checking who of us are who, and everything. I don't believe that was Josh, but yes. Was it? It wasn't Josh, I remember because of previous things.
Oh, this is going to mess up my recording. That's pretty funny. Don't look at my Discord viewers. Oh, it's gonna seem like Discord.
Oh, fuck. We are professionals. We know what we're doing. Okay.
They'll be a really professional screen blur that guys are going to have to now edit, but that's fine. But the point of the conversation. Eclipse. When you listen to audio of a video, podcast, I was right.
Of course I'm right. Oh my God. It was because Liz Band had joined right before that, and I was getting confused. Yeah.
Go. I was thinking like, you know, when you own this devoices, you have no fucking clue what they look like, and it's hard to differentiate our voices sometimes as well. So when you go just, oh, that's Matt or that's Guy. We're like, there's something like, who the fuck?
Which one is that? I think that's very funny, honestly. I kind of hate that, but yeah. Yeah.
Isn't that what you're saying? Yeah. I appreciated it because it was one of those very funny things. It's one of those other things that is a recurring, not horror in my life, but a thing that continuously takes me by surprise is like, also how people describe you.
In here, it was, what was the description that Josh gave? Matt's the one with short hair that sticks straight up, which you do style your hair aggressively. You said it sticks up? It does.
It does. It does. Dude is the one with the long hair. Yes, absolutely.
You haven't cut it since COVID. I've definitely, I've kept it. Yeah. And guys, the tall, messy, brown-haired one.
So get hypemogged first. Interesting. He said substrate. He said substrate.
I think I'm just bigger than you guys just in all dimensions. I am deeper taller and wider than you guys. So I think I can take that. Are you two other one?
I believe so. Definitely. Guys been tall than me forever since we were like, what? I thought you'd caught up to him.
Like I never got. I was the guy was the like six foot in for every school kid, but like, I thought you'd, okay, I knew I was the sort of the both of you, but in my head, you'd like pretty much caught up to him. Or it was like, I'm at like an inch, but I don't know. Did you listen?
If someone joins our discord and asks for it, I do have a hilarious picture of me from prime-reschool during our year six parals where I, as a 12 year old, had hit six foot because apparently that's a thing for my family that we grow to six foot and then stop dead at 12 years old. I have not grown a fucking inch since standing next to my cohort of much smaller students. It's a very fun line. We just go normal child, normal child, adult, normal child.
Human man. No, but the other descriptor I was getting to was the fact that the other other little bit ago I had a paint and sip for my 24th birthday and we had a lovely little time, lots of snacks, lots of things, sat around the table, did some paintings of various things and Matt, goddamn Doyle, sat across from me, looked me dead in the eyes and said, you do always have bags under your eyes, don't you? And I have not been able to unsee them since that. He's 100% correct.
100% correct. I perhaps put some moisturizer under those motherfuckers. Absolutely. Am I going to?
No. I'm cursed with this now. It is my life. Yeah, you know when you just can't take words back.
You know what I mean? It's so, no, I absolutely adore it. It's hilarious. It is like, but like, I realized it's the same with like, what I was the podcast I listened to is the Chulimunari.
I was imagining, I'd never seen any of them and I was a man, I think I'd seen one of them, actually. And then when I looked, I once looked was on the Instagram and I was looking at one of the clips they post and I was like, oh my god, Alex looks fucking different as hell. It's like, what the hell? Yeah, actually, you know, I definitely feel that with the same podcast, like Jesse, I, he like co-labed with Jesse Cox used to be a rooster teeth way back when guy.
Oh, yes, no, I know Jesse and Matt, he doesn't know. He doesn't know. He doesn't know rooster teeth. I'm not sure.
But he used to do, like with rooster teeth days, he used to do a lot of collab with Yog's cast back when we were like Yog's cast fans way back in our younger days. So I listened to this podcast and I was like, Oh, I remember Jesse Cox from Minecraft 10 years ago. So I could picture him. And then the other guy is that it is it is strange.
And then when people tell you that your voice doesn't match what you look like, or I think which is worse when they tell you your voice does match with your. Oh, that's what it is. It's called Cox and Crendoll's what I was talking about. Yes, that's not the podcast.
Yeah. But it's also, I think from the Yog's cast days looking at the art style maybe it's very old. Yeah, Rooster teeth. Awesome.
Crendoll is an old podcast. I keep guys doing that. Yeah. This isn't who I'm thinking of.
I'm thinking of someone else. I must be getting my parasocial isalibes mixed up. He does. He is like a weird, at least back in the day, it was like a bit of a meme that him and what's the Yog's cast guy that has the Diki whole?
What's his real name again? Simon, Simon and Jesse were like doppelgangers of each other. It was like a bit of a meme, but one was British and one was American, but they like looked near identical. So that was a bit of a meme.
I'm not sure if that may be a brain trick. Anyway, no, I, yeah, yeah, I just think it's very funny that an image of someone can be very different than the voice. Yeah, yeah. I totally get you.
Speaking of images of someone being wrong, we've got to make the pivot. Today's episode, we're going to be discussing the fascinating law of Sonic. Specifically, I will I will caveat this at the start, the sonic cinematic universe, because there is a difference. We're doing the movies.
We're doing the movies. We're doing the movies. Well, any, any sonic medium we could have media we could have picked. We're doing the fucking movies.
I will ask, I will say this upfront because I have some mentions of it in the script and I will say them still, but the sonic games don't have a consistent canon either. So there's not really anything to draw on there cohesively and the third movie's coming out. So there's some space there to kind of talk about what the plot is thus far. What the fuck is going on?
How do we get to where we are currently? And beyond that, how accurate is it to the games? Because it's Sonic, surely like they've paid attention to the law, which surprisingly they have in quite a few really weird places, but that's fine. I hear that John Wick is in it.
John Wick is in it. John Wick is in it. He is not going to be in this episode. I apologize.
This is ground laying for the first of some other bits, but first of all, I must ask, what is both of your experiences with sonic? Either of you played the games in your game. I have played Sonic and Mario at the Winter Olympic Games. Incredible game, incredible go-to game.
And especially the Beijing 2018 2014 2012. That was Vancouver wasn't it? Yeah, it was the Winter Olympic games that I own. So that was in particular.
I earned the win. Not the Olympic games, the Winter ones. It was all like the Beijing Summer Olympics. The Ying and Yang.
The true forces must never oppose. You can surely never decide. On Mario and Sonic, the two Olympic games. But okay, what am I experiencing?
I feel like I played way more Mario than I played Sonic as a kid, but I played a couple of the games. I played a couple levels on Godboard, I think. That's entirely fair. I've absorbed Sonic Law through pop culture and people being nostalgic of it online.
That's fair and understanding of what I know. And it's a Dragon Ball Z ripoff. Technically, he's not entirely wrong because there are seven Macguffins that at the end of the day, once you have all seven of them, can kind of warp reality. With an asterisk being that the Dragon Ball's brand wishes just flat out, whereas the Chaos Emeralds, I mean, we're going to get to it.
So I won't spoil it here, yes. Can I join to say all I know or just like that's my vibe towards Sonic? Just the vibe. We'll be getting into the rest of it.
Yeah, I like this. I know. That was me. It's just about time to say that I don't know anything about Dragon Ball Z either.
Luckily, it doesn't play into today's episode at all. So that's fine. So Sonic. Sonic is the mascot of Sega created to rival Nintendo's Mario and was originally created back in 1990, not 1991.
I'm already on my technicality bullshit. We haven't even got out of the first line. Oh, uh, Sonic's first game, Sonic the Hedgehog, was released in June 1991. However, that was not his first video game appearance.
As interestingly enough, he first appeared in, I don't know exactly what word they're using here, but Rad Mobile or Rad Mobile, which was a racing game from Sega released in October 1990, where he appeared as a rear vision mirror ornament because apparently they wanted to make their new character visible to the public, which he's like four by four pixels. In the racing game that was pretty good at the time. Actually, people like that. It's definitely a Rad Mobile, right?
If it's a racing game. Yeah. I think so, but also, I feel like there's someone out there who's pronounced it differently their entire life because it's an arcade game and it probably doesn't tell you how to. So I don't want to step on anyone's toes.
It's okay. It's okay. It's how the fuck you want. It's okay.
They can be wrong their entire life. We're right. They can be wrong. It's Rad Mobile.
Yeah, 100%. It's Rad Mobile. For the actual game, Sonic the Hedgehog, it is a platforming adventure game where Sonic and his pals free a couple animals and chase down the evil Dr. Eggman knee, nay, fucking me using smart words in every good idea.
Well, I found out apparently nay with the fucking thing above it, E is pronounced nay and it refers to someone's original game. Yeah. I thought someone correct, but I always thought that someone was saying like nay, the actual, you know, is their true name, giving them ownership of, I don't know. It's just one of those things that pass by my perception.
Chase down the evil Dr. Eggman nay, robotic. Is it nay, Spock, nay, why? Am I crazy?
No, no, n-e with the fucking thing e means this is their usually maiden name. Okay, sorry. No, no, totally fine. Again, part of the research of this script is always that I find out about new fun words I need to share.
I don't know if it's said or just a thing. The only reason I know that is from looking at like random fenned and wikis and it's being like this character married to this character. And then it says nay, original maiden name. So I just avoid words.
I don't know. Yes. Yes. I love it.
I think they enhance me. I get bullied when I come from that. So we've actually, we've actually conditioned to it's too much drama. Tell me what's the matter.
You will pronounce them wrong. You've got it right. That was 100% correct. We did it first try.
We win. Maybe which one do you know. Nonetheless, we're not here for the telepathic. I know.
Let's try to get to do it again. Oh, damn it. Telepathy. That's the one baby.
You fucked it up again. I need to write it out in front of you one of these days because I know you can't hear the difference, but there is a difference anyway. Nonetheless, we are not here for the entire history of the song law. We're here to discuss the Paramount movies, as I mentioned, with the third of them coming out on the 20th of December, 2024 as fast approaching.
So it's ready for that one. As such, we're going to be saying the path. The only things we're discussing today are the law of the song movie and some bits filling the gaps and contrasting comparing with keeping this normal. The movies can't be that weird.
Maybe moving on. Quick aside, very, very thing. Thank you to the admin mostly main writer, asterix, not sure about that writer of the sonic cinematic universe, wiki, kobos. Thank you, God, for having an independent wiki that is specifically for the sonic movies, saved my script.
And also previous admin, amen41, the wiki was wonderful. Thank you so much. Getting that out of the way. So with that, we can start with a basic timeline over the events thus far and what we know from both of these movies retrospectively.
This is mostly spoiler free. I do very much actually genuinely enjoy these movies. I sat down and watched the second one over multiple nights with my girlfriend and we willingly made the decision to keep coming back to it. So with this, got to be something there.
But also both these guys know I hit I like shit movies. So take that with what you will say if there's if there's any podcast law from a living by the law, it's that guy has no choice. You've only seen like the second best version of something. Yeah, I love it.
I love it. There's no better sonic movie. You show me a better sonic movie. We begin we have a rundown and again, this is retrospective.
So this is some stuff that we've learned from the second movie that I will be putting in context with the first movie with the first movie timeline. A brief recap. We begin with Sonic the Hedgehog being born on the planet Mobius. What the?
This is alien? I will admit. He's a fucking alien. No, he's not.
Did you not know that Sonic was an alien? No, he's a hedgehog though. Sonic is an alien. If you look at that fucking thing and tell me honest to God down the barrel in my eyes, that is a hedgehog as we the humans know it and not just the closest thing to this we have on this planet is a hedgehog and otherwise I have no fucking idea what that thing is.
Sonic is not an actual hedgehog. Well, I thought it was a cartoonified hedgehog. I assume he was dipped in a vat of blue acid or radiation plus me. I mean, so I look at the second.
This is I will admit the first of many inconsistencies between the law as between Japanese to English translations. Some cannons just not specifying shit retcons and also just full on rewrites for the sake of I want to do this concept and it's going to be cooler. The entirety of Sonic Cannon is extremely slippery and hard to pin down. There are a lot of different versions of this shit again movie contrasted with the base as our first example.
If you read two of the two other Sonic wiki talking about the video game character, it will cite Sonic as being born on Christmas Island, not the Australian one. It's actually an island undefined in the law where it is on the planet because it's Sonic Planet and not Earth. But on Earth, we can reference the designers which the former lead programmer for Sonic, Eugene Knucker, is quoted in Russian video game magazine Gamely and stating that they originally based the island on the real life island Kirimati, which I suspect that that's a Japanese named island. I don't know, but also it's Gibraltar, so fucking whatever.
It doesn't matter for this, which is a remote island in the Pacific Ocean where both the US and the UK conducted nuclear weapons testing. Hence why there's a bunch of robots and anthropomorphic animals going around. So Matthew, you were kind of right, it's a nuclear hedgehog. I can know it, it's fucking piece of shit.
But he's also an alien. But he's also an alien. In the movies he's an alien. Okay.
Mobius in the movies is a planet on the far side of the galaxy. Is he still for Christmas Island in the movies? I don't know what the name of the island is. They kind of just referred to it as Sonic's home.
He's from an island and for the sake of it. Yeah, it's probably Christmas Island. That would make sense. What is better?
I thought that he came to Earth and is immediately put in a detention center on Christmas Island. Or that Christ exists on Sonic's planet. That's also really good, actually. I just realized that's actually really good.
Christ, Rose and Dye is in the Sonic canon. So that's the first thing consistency we'll get. Christ, Rose and Dye for Sonic's sins. For us, for us, for us, for making this shit.
As you can see, this is kind of why I decided if we're going to make something for the third Sonic movie, it should be the Sonic movie canon rather than the video games because they can go pretty weird, back to the planet Mobius. The beginning of the timeline is quoted as ages ago, which is when on Mobius, a warrior group called the Echidna. Overall Echidna's, at least in the kidney Sonic terms. Is this the warrior group that went into the movie time and then went crazy on everyone?
Kind of. They do murder some people. This is the one that knows the way. They do know.
They do know the way. 100%. That's a fucking 2020. Oh my god man, that's stale.
Let's go get that out the cup again. That's like 2016. Maybe 2012. Was it 2016?
I don't want to believe that. It can't have been eight years ago. That's fucked up. Nearly nine.
Fuck me. Jesus Christ. All right. 2018.
Anyway, ages ago, the Echidna, the Echidna who brought Echidna's forged the master emerald, an unstoppable weapon made from the seven Chaos Emeralds. Chaos Emeralds and by extension, the master emerald are powered by Chaos Energy, which is a power source that is somehow connected to Mobius. It is undescribed, what the exact nature of it is, but kind of Judasonic canon, you can, there's versions of it. People may very well know the Brian David Gilbert famous rant where he goes into the Sonic Bible where he's there and described as a material form of all of humanity's sins, if I'm remembering correctly.
Nasty. But generally, they're just powerful McGuffin artifacts. It's known that the power, the energy of the Chaos Energy is kind of used to enhance someone increasing their speed, durability, strength, and depending on how much he's given to them, giving them powers such as flight and energy attacks. The owls and enemy tribe on Mobius were getting real cooked with these fucking names, disagreed with this usage of the master emeralds and the Chaos Energy and managed to steal the emerald and hide it away far, far away where the Akidners could never find it.
Poor Akidners, they tried to destroy the best. What were they doing, do they just want to have it as a big crystal from display? Oh, they were killing everyone. They would full on massacre and they would wear a warrior group.
We're going to take over the planet. We have a gem that can enhance us to superhuman levels. They weren't fucking around. I think you can't be buried the lead there a little bit.
That is fair. That is fair. I understand that. Some ages later, we find a young Sonic the Hedgehog being cared for by long core.
The last of the owls, a giant owl woman. I don't know why we know that owls, a giant owl doesn't matter. That's last owl. Sonic's parents are completely unexplained.
The last owl, the Akidners have murdered the rest of them. Sonic parents are just not explained. They're not there. They never were.
Who knows? We're not getting into it. They probably need to kill by the Akidners or some other group on the planet. That kind of seems like the gist of what we're going for here.
However, Sonic himself was born with quite naturally high levels of it seems like Chaos Energy inside him. Again, how the two are tied, the master emerald or the Chaos Emeralds and the Chaos Energy and people who have Chaos Energy like Sonic. It's a bit of a weird topic that's very undefined as per the movie canon and depending on the games is still pretty undefined. I'll be entirely honest.
I tried to figure out if there was some game source about like it's from the core of the planet and it's about belief and it's just it's it's Sonic's cool as fuck. Literally part of the one of the Sonic origin stories is he's a myth based off the first pilot to ever go supersonic all the way to nuclear hedgehog from Christmas Island. So we're working with a lot here. Same to say.
Sonic is naturally quite high in Chaos Energy. Separate McGuffin, the master emerald is stolen taken by the owls and hidden across the universe because he can as we using it to set kill people. Longclaw and Sonic are then found by the remaining members of the Achidna tribe hunting down longclaw as as said she is now the last of the owls and is the protector of Sonic. Sonic being like the next best thing to a master emerald with the high amounts of Chaos Energy he has inside him.
As the last of the owls she is also the protector of the hiding place of the master emerald. In a final protective move longclaw as the Achidna tribe bears down upon them longclaw gives sonic two things which is a bag of golden rings and a map of safe planets implying the owls have previously used the somehow to travel the universe. So the intergalactic travel. Interplanetary interdimensional is still not entirely clear it does seem to be interplanetary because it specifically mentioned that Mobius is on the other side of the universe from Earth so it's like it should be interplanetary.
It's also a list of safe planets but also some of them get really fucking weird. That's a sort of warp hole technology to get to the other side of the universe. So the golden rings which Sonic I handed are fairly obvious that anyone who's played the games are referenced to the you know gold coin analogy that Sonic's creators came up with the golden rings which you collect and lose as you play. What are they?
What is the importance to Sonic you made ask? In the movies the son of the rings can be used to teleport throughout the universe only needing the wielder to visualize the place they are going. You can grab one of the rings think about it and throw it and it creates a portal. It's like a sling ring but better because you need no training to use it.
You lose the range to take a finite amount. There is a reason you got given a bag of them. Okay interesting. Okay well as far as I'm aware you can't get it back but also people like if the portal closes after you I think that there are scenes in the movies where people pick up the rings and then use them so I believe that they're reusable it's just that once you're through the portal you can't get them back.
Yeah okay well the technology does it really is this planet half like because that's like pretty impressive. It's really unclear. It's one of those things it's similar to what people like conspiracy theorists would say that the Mayans or the Egyptians were on in terms of like you're living in a stone brick building but also they have the ability to do crazy fucking shit like contact aliens and teleport between planets. So there's that chaos power clearly.
Yeah Atlantas we have a power we don't understand and we're just kind of chucking it into artifacts and seeing what it does to people more than a scientific approach. So level of science level of technology pretty close to zero level of I'm gonna say artifact magical shit pretty high. Yeah space travel via magic bottles are pretty sick when it plays travel. It's pretty sick.
Indeed indeed. So they can be thrown the rings can be thrown and I also mentioned here at one point during the TV show which did either of you know that there was a TV show related to the Sonic movies? There's a TV there's a TV show. I found this actually.
You see what else anyway at one point during the TV show there is also a ring gun which can shoot the rings to use them effectively as like a non-lethal weapon to teleport people away. That's kind of nutty. That's some weapon angel shit right there. That is that's actually really cool.
It's really fucking cool right. Okay this is like the fucking I'm gonna discover that there's like a Godzilla universe TV show. Yeah yeah yeah. The monster universe or whatever it is.
I had never heard of the TV show I then opened up the cinematic universe and it was just like it's the knuckles show on Paramount. I'm like okay. Sure man. Whatever you say chief I don't have Paramount what do you think I am?
Anyway so as said Chaos Energy and all this you know is the Chaos Energy a form of magic is there something else like powering the rings other than Chaos Energy because they don't act the same as the Chaos Energy infused things lots of the Chaos Energy like the emeralds and Sonic and stuff have like this electrical effect around them. The rings don't have that they just hang in space so eh. Without explanation we can assume it's the only parcels we know of I guess. I basically some that as ancient civilizations are amazing catch all because the ancient ones built it we know not of their technology.
They have some ancient power that has lost time. I love that that's a great transformers thing as well. Yeah yeah yeah. Before time.
Yeah there was the original primes built this laser under the pyramid. Exactly. Fuck now anyway as Sonic uses the bag of rings in the map to jump away to safety Longclaw defends him staying behind as Sonic dives away. Leaving Longclaw to certain death.
No, no. Longclaw is just dead. No why don't they just use the ring teleport away? Both of them.
I don't know. My se... The thing in the scene is it's like, I'll defend you, I'll hold them back Sonic, but it's like an instant teleport portal like I don't see anything... Like maybe she's defending her ancestral home or there's something else but also like they're gonna get to it, like you're one owl against a tribe of warriors like that.
The kid's whole thing is being warriors. Maybe she knew her role in the story, and I got to die to inspire Sonic to be a better person. Yeah, exactly. Sometimes she saw her moment for her heroic last stand and went, if you have to fight another day, Sonic.
Come on! Fucking hilarious. That is a dream to die in a final stand, you know? A hopeless stand.
Have an infinitely powerful teleportation device in your pocket, but fight anyway. Incredible. Sonic, you know, diving away from his mentor. These words keep yourself safe, Sonic.
He must be imbued with some great purpose, right mission, correct? Oh yeah, he must have a reason going. We then jump forward 10 years finding Sonic in Green Hills, Montana, having lived there since, presumably, he left. He has a small cave in the woods, where he has gathered a number of things, including comics, toys, a beanbag, and some street signs.
And he's just chilling. I see. He's just running. So what I'm hearing is he's really good at running away.
He is, to be fair. He's formed sort of a so parisocial, if this applies, he a parisocial relationship with humans in general. He loves observing them as kind of giving them names, but because he's a fucking alien super powered hedgehog, he can't interact with them. Luckily, being incredibly fast means that very few people are going to notice you if you go fast enough with the exception of one single person named Crazy Carl, who did in fact see Sonic, and in the movie, he holds up a drawing of Sonic, which is just the Sonic meme if you guys have ever seen this.
I'm sure you've seen it, something. They just wanted to put it in the movie and they made a character before. I love that. Okay, so it's some other...
In different videos, I know Sonic can do different things and he's different speeds. What can this Sonic do? This Sonic specifically has the ability of Super Speed. He is supposedly the fastest creature alive, which seems to hold up.
He definitely, I think he breaks the speed barrier. I believe that he's relatively durable. He gets shot and punched into, not shot, but like exploded into walls and stuff like that and doesn't really seem to be that. Like he gets bruised, so probably enhanced durability.
Doesn't really seem to have a ton of enhanced strength beyond that of a normal human, but also he's little, so that's enhanced. It's faster than Sam. How, like, you've asked him light? Like, what sort of...
No, no. He can't be seen by people. Well, he leaves behind like a blue after-image blur is how fast he's moving, which we see in the movie is like super obvious, but it seems like the humans can't see it. Again, probably a thing of suspension of disbelief for the movie.
Hey, those muggles, they don't say nothing to you. Actually, actually, hold on, hold on, just at a moment. You guys say something funny, I've got to Google something. My question is, it comes back to...
I feel like it's something we may have discussed in the Flash episode, but way back when. Go check out our Flash episode on Pari Allen. If you want to reverse Flash, that's the one. And the reverse Flash, if you want to see more fast people on speed or something.
I was paying attention to that episode. It's the thing where they may not have super strength, but also, if someone is traveling at the speed of sound or light, or either of them, or near the speed of whatever, they may as well have super strength. That speed didn't hit you. But also, it also goes both ways, right?
So you also have to have super durability. Yeah. Think about it. If you...
Every force has an equal opposite reaction. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you punch a wall very hard, the wall hits your hand very hard. Yeah, yeah.
So same. But also, yes. Okay, right. There's this...
The Flash does like an infinite mass punch where he runs around the light speed, and then punches you on the face at light speed. That's good. So like, yeah. Yeah.
It's like, we'll just like, just choose a real word analysis. Bullets. Bullets aren't dangerous, bullets are dangerous, because they go really fast. Wait, you're telling me that it's about a bullet being shot out of a gun that's dangerous?
Yeah. I thought bullet at you is not going to hurt you. Well... It says, I feel like the gun itself isn't dangerous.
Maybe it needs someone to fire it. Yeah, you're right. It's a gun. Guns don't kill people.
People do. Tell me a gun's not dangerous once I make you eat it. Guns. So there's a couple of answers to this for the speed thing.
Yeah. So, there is a scene in the first movie where Sonic runs past a police car where the policeman's sitting inside who does become his adopted father, don't worry about it, is trying to speed gun at turtle as Sonic runs by. The speed gun clocks him at 760 miles an hour. So 760 mph 2km.
Could you please translate it for Australians? For Australians? So for Australians, that's 1,200 kilometers an hour. Super sonic speed.
That's over double the fast... Super sonic speed is 768 miles per hour. So at 760 on the speed gun, he's getting pretty close. And at this point is he running from danger?
Is he like in life threatening or is this not his... Maybe not his top speed? He's just taking a strong... No, he's fucking around.
So he's maybe not even his top speed? He's just fucking around. He's... The paring of fouls...
So that's the second answer I have. Is the top animal, right? Yeah. Yes.
So, another quick thing, another thing that I found. Thank you, Dali, I'm six years ago on Reddit, if this is accurate or anything. There is a scene where he's dodging what we can only assume are subsonic missiles, which travel at Mach 0.8 or 988 kilometers per hour. So he's dodging them.
In the scene, the missiles are not moving at all. Sonic is moving at normal speed without breaking a sweat. From the calculations, this particular guy did. He's essentially moving at the speed of light.
So, answers vary depending on your sources. The tension of what the story needs him to do. He is the squirrel from over the edge. It's fine.
Yes, he is. He is hammy. You will not disrespect his fucking game. Sorry, he's a Christ man.
How do you guys know the squirrels name over there? Because he's the best character in the PlayStation game. Obviously, actually, he's a really important person that came up at a catch up recently. Over the hedge or flush away?
Over the hedge. Over the hedge. Easy. Over the hedge.
Go to... Go to maybe. You don't have... The floss doesn't have the verbinator.
This is true. This is true. Nonetheless. Maybe Sonic has the ability to slow down time for everything else other than him.
Sonic is fast as fuck. Okay? That's the answer. He's fast as fuck.
He's fucking fast. He's a little bit durable. He's an alien and he's got the ability to use some chaos energy. He's running around at the speed of sound.
He's got places to be and people see. You know what I mean? Yeah. You're so right.
Okay. Sonic is quite lonely at this point, having spent around 10 years in isolation. You can't outrun loneliness. You can't outrun loneliness.
He has the parasocial relationship with the humans, but he gets quite sad and frustrated after watching a game of baseball. I get it. He begins running in circles at nighttime around a set of baseball bases before setting off some sort of massive electrical explosion because he runs so fast, which the signature of is then tracked down by the US military. I would honestly...
That's the least surprising, that's the most realistic thing you've ever done. And their contractor who is currently working for them, Dr. Robotnik. Dr.
Ivar Robotnik works for the US military. Oh, he would. Eggman would work for the military. The force is the infamous Jim Carrey at this point in time, right?
Indeed. Indeed. The only Jim Carrey appearance with my girlfriend, Ken Stomach. Honestly, not true.
Asterix is pretty good. Asterix that and the Grinch. Her reasoning is she doesn't like him in human roles because his face does shit that he's akin to a cartoon character, so if he's a human, it looks weird. But when he's a creature or perhaps a guy as he is with Dr.
Robotnik, he's closer to a cartoon character than he is a real person in those roles. And therefore, much more stomachable. Yeah, what about when he's like pretty normal like the Truman Show? Pretty normal.
Like pretty unknown. No, he doesn't know anything crazy though, like the mask. No. Well, her and I have a quiet agreed-upon disdain for the dumb and dumber movies.
I also kind of agree. I can understand that. No, it's annoy me. It's like so dumb that annoys me when I'm watching.
It's cringe-human. I agree. I agree. I'm glad I'm in good time.
I can never get through the dark. I agree. They hold a special place in my heart because of the time that I watched them with my parents. But I could never re-watch them now.
And if I did, it would probably somewhat spoil the amusing memories of it. I've got, you know what I mean? They kind of have that movie. I can never watch stuff like the Direnwimbe Kid.
It just hurts inside deep in my heart. I just can't stand cringe-human. But that's the other way. We've got to keep going with 39 minutes.
I've got so much of a script left to go. Oh my god. Briefly, recap. I've written in the script.
It's becoming kind of long. So we shall skip the bulk of the first movie's events as they actually play very little into the lore of the overarching sort of continuity. Briefly touch on the main characters that will reappear in the next two films though. Tom and Maddie are a couple who discover and care for Sonic after he is found by the US government with Tom being a cop and Maddie being a vet.
Sonic, if you can look past the, you know, blue alien super powered thing, is essentially a teenager which kind of gives you the idea of the dynamic of the three form. This will eventually, they will eventually take in the entirety of Sonic's crew, which later will grow, becoming the quintessential human who cares for the anthropomorphic animals and loves them despite their appearance as previously played by such greats as Dave from Alvin and the Chipmunks, Fredrick and Eleanor from Little from Stuart Little and Shaggy Rogers from Scooby-Doo. My ghost. Yeah.
I think Shaggy is going to be more of like a friend's level whereas it's definitely a father figure or parent figure with the other two. Dave is better. No, the asterisk I need to make here is that they're willing to accept and befriend what is very obviously not a normal animal because most of them can talk. Shaggy, Scooby-Doo is not a dog.
There's something in there. He's a dog. He's got that dog in him. He does have that dog in him.
What the dog doing? Dr. Iber Robotnik is our next character. It works for the US government as a contractor.
He has a genius level intellect and IQ around 300 and has mastered most forms of engineering and science. Having surpassed most normal pursuits, he now earns assumedly insane amounts of money from doing ridiculous jobs for the US government, directs quotes from the movie such as ending a coup in Pakistan and ending the uprising of Azerbaijanistan, which another character goes, that's not a country to which another applies, not anymore. Most accurate US government. Actually, you know, do you know about ending a coup in more like creating one?
It's insane. Anyway, nonetheless, he wields an army of robots called the Badniks, who doubles weapons, transports, whatever else he needs. This is referencing from the game where in the first game there are also Badniks, which are robots the same as except for the fact that in the game they are technically powered by tiny little animals, not present here, unfortunately. One of the reasons that Sonic is actually against him in the games, he doesn't like animal abuse, which I don't think anyone should do.
Based on it. A small note here, while he is very smart, as quoted by the movie, he also shows himself as not knowing some very basic things. For example, in the movie, he does not realize that power meters are outside of a house, because he pretends to be a guy from the electricity company and says he needs to come to readings inside the house, to which Tom, the policeman goes, what are you talking about? The energy meter is outside the house.
I also have a genius level here versus just science brain. Honestly, I think that knowing you two, as to the smartest people I know, but also two of the biggest idiots I know, I think this actually checks out. I did have to ring the power company when they asked me for the power meter thing, when I was shutting off a power at my last rental. And I did not know it was right outside the front door.
Okay, I understand. Never mind. I understand now. I don't understand.
We don't have one. I've looked at everyone. I said, it's not out for an hour. And then he's like, you know that box next to my front door.
She's never seen this. Never seen this. Never seen this. Never seen this.
Never seen this. Finally, Agent Stone is another contractor hired by the US government, who is loyal to Dr. Robotnik. He is essentially the goofy henchmen, although he is, as will come up later, surprisingly resourceful and resilient, as he will survive without Robotnik's help and keep his equipment in tip-top shape while he's away, and gather vital information for Robotnik schemes and plans.
Excellent. It's a great assistant. Out of these three, the only one that actually appears in Sonic Canon is Dr. Eggman or Dr.
Robotnik. A surprising note here is, apart from being on a very different planet from the games, Dr. Robotnik's family is unchanged, and his main two known relatives are two characters which we will talk about, perhaps in the next episode, as they appear in the third movie. But otherwise, he's pretty similar.
His intelligence, his robots, vehicles and tech are relatively similar. The only difference I would say is that they placed him in reality, where he can't build city-sized arcades or amusement parks or machine factories and shit like that. He is constrained by the bounds of reality. As we know it, for now.
By the end of the first movie, the first week's Boiler-Walling, we're skipping most of the events of the first movie because, again, most of them are actually relevant to the lore. Eggman finds himself trapped on Mushroom Planet, having been defeated by Sonic, being thrown through other Golden Rings. Mushroom Planet being one of the safer planets on Sonic's map, with nothing but his gloves, which acts as a tiny little computer, and one of Sonic's quills, which has a trackling blue chaos energy within it. And that's where we leave Eggman at the end of the first movie.
Sonic is housed up with Tom and Maggie, his new foster parents, who give him a house inside their attic. All is well, the events of the first movie happen. They're literally just chasing Sonic, and then Sonic doesn't get caught, and then the movie ends. Do we know how old Sonic is?
Good question. As far as I can tell, he's essentially supposed to be the equivalent of a 15-16 year old. So that's kind of the vibe. He's definitely not an adult.
He's definitely not a younger child. He's been around for 10 years, at least, and was already a capable functional preacher at that age when he left his Mobius, the original planet. So 15-16 feels like a right guess for me. He has seen the horrors of war, so that's age time.
He has seen the horrors of war, certainly. His parents have died. He was taken in by a foster parent, who also then was killed. So he took care of himself for 10 years in isolation, without presumably talking to anybody.
Do you have an insane by loneliness? That's not an insane... That's shit life. Yeah, not great, to be honest.
Hence why he's very happy to be taken by Tom and Maggie, our new faves. A quick aside, we'll look more at the map during the second movie that he received, the map of safe planets. But if you take some time to look at it, I will send you guys a picture of the safe planets map, which hopefully will send nice and quick. There we go.
Which you guys can have a Squiz-at. This map is going to suck on his leading radius. What are you giggling at, Matt? This is the worst map of all time, guys.
It's not a map. It's a couple circles that a child has drawn. With a couple other circles that a child has drawn over the top. You're going to love for this, actually, because it's pretty funny.
That looks like someone the entire... ...described Asgard, like the big tree in all the worlds of Asgard, in North and old you. It's not a great map in terms of being a map. For the rings around, you need to picture where you're going.
So it's fine. It'll do for this. It'll do for what Sonic needs. That's good enough of picturing where you're going.
That's wild. That's crazy. That's pretty good. Okay.
They're fair enough. So in that case, we'll jump on very quickly. I will just run around and have a look. As many of the icons on this map are references to assorted things.
So starting in the middle, the central island is Mobius, which the island itself is shown as Sykes home during a flashback. Let me grab an image for this. I'm sending it to the boys. In my image, as Asgard in the Marvel Universe, it just kind of looks like an island in space.
That's what Mobius looks like. Yeah, so that's what the actual island looks like there. I'm just saying that each other. So it's a pretty good rendition, but it's the most easy thing on this map.
At the top, the first cross-off item is the Sega Saturn logo, the console. I see. I don't know if they crossed it off for a particular reason. It wasn't a complete failure.
It did come in third place in that particular console generation behind two pretty big competitors being the Nintendo 64 and the original PlayStation. So save it to say it didn't do quite as well as the other options. So Sonic may indeed not be safe on Sega Saturn. Interesting.
Were there any of the Sonic games that are terrible? Is that wise? Yeah, I was saying I don't believe how any original Sonic games. Okay.
Sonic was eating good with the Game Boy Money. Sega Saturn, da da da da. Okay. So save to say the Sega Saturn was not safe for Sonic.