South Shields Poltergeist

In the dead of night as people sleep, that is when the spirits creep. As the bell tolls three, dark things take power. We like to call it the supernatural hour. Hey, welcome to the supernatural hour.

This is your host Raven. I'm Chad. It's Moon. This is Whiskey.

This is Vamir. And to start out, I just want to give a little shout out to a gal named Jessica in West Virginia. And I just want to say hello. Let's all say hello to Jessica.

Hi, Jessica. Hello, Jessica from West Virginia. So her story is not my story to tell. I'll let her tell that.

But she is my go-toting hero, so we just want to say hello to her. Also we have got some pretty interesting investigations to tell you about, but we will get to that later. We've got some other investigations coming up. Chad, do you want to tell us a little bit about those?

We are going to be investigating at the Hewish Theater in Payson. That's going to be on August 17th at 8.30 p.m. It's going to be a lot of fun. It's a new venue for us, and we're looking forward to that.

Payson is famously haunted. We got Petitney down there. We did Dalton's down there. We did the Beauty Salon down there in a private investigation.

We've done a lot of things in Payson. We're really excited about this. We've done two Beauty Salon down there, actually. And we're trying to get out of Payson, get some more things up north.

Yeah. I know people. So I'm able to get into places there. So just know that we are trying to get out of Payson.

I know that's quite a drive for some of you. And at theater, I'm just saying. We'll talk about it a little bit, but when the sun goes down, it's an entirely different theater. Oh, yeah.

On yours, I think. Because I put a post on a Payson Facebook page just to generate interest locally from people that might not normally find us. But I had people, oh, my family used to manage that back in the day. And it's totally not.

I had people just end the woodwork coming through and saying, oh, it's haunted. It's very haunted. So yeah, we went and did the preliminary walkthrough and built a anymore about it later. We also have our patrons, Shindig, coming up.

That's August the 24th. Yes. We're looking forward to that. So if you're not a patron, you still got time, sign up to be patron.

You can come to that. It's free to our patrons and at different levels. There's different amounts of people that you can bring. So it's a great venue, great food.

We always have a really good time with the Shindig. I made a great yard cake last time. I might get my sister to make something if you patron people are really good. OK.

And let me tell you about his sister's cooking. The first time we had them bring food to our WISPs meeting slash barbecue whiskey brought these cupcakes that were phenomenal. They were filled with something. I don't know what it was.

I'm not supposed to eat the carbs. It makes me sick, but I ate a cupcake and it was delicious and I paid for it later. But I will eat another one if she brings those. I'll see how I can do.

Just make sure I'm subscribed if you're not already. I also will not forget the Oreo cheese cakes that she made for our meeting. That was amazing. Well, those were good too.

She's definitely an honorary team member. She did join the group too. So technically she's our chef, baker. May not.

She's amazing in all the ways, but she's amazing. Shout out Sarah. So this is sponsored by Castle Photo Art. And she's our baker.

Castle actually does the meats. We had a little birthday barbecue for Chad and my dad because they were our August birthdays. And he barbecued some ribs. They were phenomenal.

But I taught him and he was supposed to text me yesterday and tell us what he sees available to anybody listening in the Utah County area would like to get some really great pictures done. He does a really good job. So shout out to Castle Photo Art. Shout out to Shouty.

You know? It's a shout out kind of a day. So I've already done too. If you have a shout out, just throw it in because that's what we do today.

It's our thing. How about shouting out our patrons? Yes. Let's do it.

Yay patrons. Shout out to the patrons. We really appreciate your support. We're looking forward to seeing many of you at the Shindig.

And our new patron, I need a sentinel welcome gift. I haven't forgotten. We'll get that DY bronze. Alright, so our main topic today is actually, well I think they're all really fun, but this one, I don't know if it's just extra, but really fun.

It is the South Shield Poltergeist. And it seems like we end up talking about Poltergeist a lot. Just a refresher. A lot of people think that Poltergeists are noisy ghosts and that's fine.

There's two veins of thought though. One of them is the noisy ghost. The other is it's an adolescent girl who maybe has some suppressed feelings, particularly about home or someone in particular and the activities tends to focus on them. I mean, she's abused by someone.

Maybe those pictures of that person will crack a ball off the ball because of some emotions that she has and are just so strong and kept in that they manifest in different ways. That's where I go. And it doesn't have to be an adolescent girl, but it usually is. Yes, it can be an adolescent boy as well.

So we're going to talk a little bit more after we discussed this case in South Shields, England. But just keep that in mind as we continue talking about this case. So what started beginning, shall we? In 2006.

In South Shields, which is down north eastern England, it started in the summer. And it started like a lot of paranormal activity does as a young couple, Mark and Mary Ann and their young son, Robert, just began experiencing minor disturbances, objects being disappearing than reappearing in usual places, which is a pretty wild looking and something happens later. Over time, some of those things, they're easy to write off. When things disappear and reappear, a lot of us are like, maybe it's nothing.

So it didn't really take too seriously then. Things began to escalate not over a large period of time. We're talking just like a couple of months here where they went from pretty minor things happening in their house like we written off to physical attacks and eventually evolved me into the reach out. I'm going to just cut in here because I think it's funny.

With the reach out, the guy who invested one of the investigators, his name was Darren Ritson. And he said, I'm going to quote this, he says 15 years ago in June of 2006, I was approached by a colleague of mine that told me her friend's daughter has a ghost. And I can't tell you how many times I'm following my own, so I think they've got a ghost. Can you come check it out?

So I think a funny, my friend has a ghost. That's how a lot of people, luckily, how a lot of people hear about us for the record that they hear about us through somebody else. If you Google us and you find us that way, something insane is probably happening at your house. It's a lot nicer, not to say that we don't get serious house calls through referrals, but it is usually a little bit more tame if they're referrals of like, what's in my house?

Or, can you help me explain this? So yeah, they did reach out and it culminated in basically a year-long investigation through different things. And ultimately, the activity started to die down. It couldn't really happen.

Any actions that they took to resolve the situation that I had down over time. Yeah, the interesting thing I found is they said, oh, I told your guys to exhibit it usually last a couple weeks or a couple months, which I'd never heard that before. So I don't know, maybe that's in their experience, maybe I've just never heard that little bit of information. But yeah, from my research, it sounds like it just stopped.

It could be the energy source or an attack that can be required. A ludicrous amount of energy to move things, disappear, either hypothetically, of course, in paranormal sites. It would require a lot of energy to do those acts. Physically, we don't require energy to do those acts.

So maybe whatever energy source they're going to tap out. Exactly. We'll get a little bit more into that as we get further into this case study. So, Darren Ritson and Michael Hollowell, they're in paranormal investigators that got called to the house.

And they witnessed some physical impossibilities, which, yeah, this is different. It really changed their thought process of what was physically possible after going to this house. One thing that happened was they were in a room and in the top corner of the room, there is this child's toy that just appeared out of nowhere and it drops to the floor. So pretty crazy.

And then there is a coin that was thrown from an empty part of the house that went through but not breaking through. It went through this glass door into an adjoining room in the other room. So just some impossibilities in just physical world that we understand. They did say that they were showered with coins.

Yes. Which made me think, it's not crazy, but I'm like, Leprechaun, question mark, disappearing from coins at you. I don't know. I might say that.

If I could be reigned with $10 bills, that would be amazing or $100 bills. Yeah. Pure silver coins. Throw them at me.

What are you going to go with the boards? When I read that, I was like, I want to be mad though. I want to be mad. Thank you.

Keep them coming. Keep them coming. Come on. Raven needs to buy a new pair of shoes.

Come on. So on investigations, we've had things thrown. I've been in Benson Gris Mill and when you're in Benson Gris Mill on the upstairs, it's dusty. It's not the middle of, I don't say nowhere, but there's the salt flats out there.

It's not the middle of Metropolitan anything. There's a town out there. It's a city surrounded by a lot of nothing. Yes.

So there's going to be dust. But there's nothing on the floor. And we've had several what sound like rocks thrown at us. We have been in homes where Castle had a dice.

A big one, not like a little dice from a game, but like a big wooden decorative dice that hurled off the shelf towards him. So we have seen some of these things, but I've never seen anything just fly through glass before. Yeah, I've never seen anything fly through glass. In my old housing California by Poltergeist activity, I was on a Zoom call, one time I was actually getting interviewed and a water bottle, open water bottle flew off my desk to the left of me in the frame hitting me in the face in the middle of the call.

And everybody was like, what was that? No one was home. And I got a tug-or-match with my sheets, which is also something that they talked about happening here, which is interesting, whatever something that you've experienced in real life gets documented somewhere else, it just makes you feel like, maybe it wasn't crazy. And I can name him.

Well, validation. Absolutely. I can name him because we've actually had him on the podcast and he's told his story, so he won't mind. But you've heard this talk several years ago about Cleve.

And he had in his home. He was in the garage. He saw a paint can fly off the shelf, hover for several seconds, and then fall. So these kind of things can absolutely happen.

Wow. In this house, there have been knives, toys, and other objects thrown just out of nowhere, just like you guys have experienced, out of nowhere. Decorations, particularly like this African statue, was placed in several different areas of the home. This is kind of spooky, but they had its child's doodle board and it got words written on it like, go now and stop it.

So I know we've had texts come through. They had texts come through when everybody's phone was on the table with some pretty frightening things. It started off to calm and it was like, hi, hello. And then it's like, I'm going to get you, be word and things like that.

Just crazy. And they removed the sim cards on the phone too. Yeah. It does leave a little bit open for speculation because they do tell you, like, hey, I don't think that the homeowner would have done that, not that they don't have the technical capacity to, but I don't think they did.

And especially once we took the sim cards, they did everything they could within their power. While exhibiting some trust, which I think is fair, and that kind of leaves it open. They kept us in the middle of the world. And we've seen it happen whether or not that was possessing phone lines.

There's documentation of that type of phone line type audio and text messages going back. The most telegraphs I've existed. In any activity that you get like this in the home, there's always the question of, was the family doing a hoax to get attention, but they had so many instances and so many witnesses to a lot of these. They just, they can't explain.

They can't explain it away. A lot of them threw a hoax. What was interesting, unless this was superscripted, the wife ended up leaving because she was so terrified by some of the texts coming through. And she's like, I'm going to be able to sleep tonight.

And it talks about like, I can get you when you're sleeping or not sleeping when you wake up and things like that. Unless it was like superscripted, like she was terrified she was on her way to my mom's house and she's still getting these texts as she's having these thoughts and conversations to herself. I'm coming with you. I think it was.

Yeah. And just the time I have an evolutionary activity. It was really interesting that it just went from unintelligent, scary things to intelligent, like letting it know that it wanted them to be afraid and answering questions directly and things like that. It's just almost like it gained sentience over time.

Yes, it got stronger. And we're going to talk a little bit about this after we've talked about some of the evidence, but I have my, I don't want to say doubts, but I've got questions as to what it was. I don't know if you read when you were researching some of that stuff. There's two things that happened that I thought were just fascinating.

One of the researchers was Mike Hallewell, and he was sitting at a table through the night just keeping watch and he nodded off just for a second when he woke back up. There was a bottle balancing on its edge on the table and he tried to push it over and he could not push this bottle over. And sometimes we'll take a water bottle on investigations on empty one and set it to where it's just balanced on a table and tried to get spirits to knock it off and I've never had it happen. And I think it happened once.

But he was trying to push it and he couldn't push it over. And then a little while later he tried it again and he touched it and it took right over almost instantly. But he couldn't do it the first time. And another one, he talked about kids' toys flying off.

And a lot of the kids' toys because it was a couple and a child. And there was a ball that appeared out of nowhere on his bed. And not only did this ball appear out of nowhere, but it was also hot to the touch. There was a night light that was plugged into the wall socket at the top landing and they heard it pull itself from the wall and they found it resting under the sockets.

They also made recordings in the bedroom. They heard creaking, knocking, a pinning sound that they couldn't explain. A shuffling noise that they could only describe as maybe someone walking. They could hear the sound of the tar strings being plugged.

Something that they described as the sound that you might get if you were to spin coins on a wooden floor. They heard coughing and they also heard a bloop bloop bloop noise. And they said we know no one was in the room because everybody that was in the house was in the kitchen at the time. So basically it was a cartoon fish behind all of this.

The bloop bloop really sells me. That was the only thing that I know goes. Right? And they're like, they couldn't even say, oh it sounded like this.

It's just, it's a very odd bloop bloop bloop noise is how they describe it. Another interesting thing that happened was the husband was sleeping at one night in his bed and he just started feeling like a lot of pain on his chest that we'd get to the bathroom or whatever. And he's seeing all these marks just appear. And so they called, I believe it was Michael, Hollowell, because he lived closest to them.

And he brought his recorder and he started recording and you would just see all these marks appear on him with his shirt off and not explainable. And that happened to this poor man twice where they got video evidence of him being scratched with nothing there. Wow. Yeah, I saw the pictures.

It was pretty bad. It wasn't just a little thing. It was really bad. We've all got scratched a little bit, I think on investigations, but I can't imagine my whole poor soul being scratched up like not to be terrible.

If you're scratching me, scratch my back. It's a little light scratch. Even massage. The message all that goes out there.

We were on that one residentially red trying to get it to massage you, but it wasn't. No, it did massage you. I was trying to get it to massage me. Yeah, no.

It was a little rough. I kind of tried to get some sous-stacking. Yeah, I know. I was curious.

I just got a very normal investigating to a tracheous massages from the other side. It really isn't my goal. It's... It seemed ultimately the more violent this entity got, it really started focusing on the adult melanol.

And they said that they also got video of this adult male being attacked, but they didn't have good film at the time that it wasn't a good quality camera. And it says that in their recounting that they call him Mark, which is not his real name. But they said that he was attacked by this entity by different occasions. Which is crazy to me.

Yeah, super unfortunate. I think the one thing that's interesting about all four journey other evidence and everything, because that's obviously one of the main reasons I'm out there. But to go a year into this type of activity happening to the people in the house, who knows, maybe they didn't want any steps taken to help protect them. But as far as I can tell, there was no effort made there.

And in my opinion, safety and the well-being of the people involved is more important than gathering evidence for sure. So absolutely. And that's one thing, as you read their account of this, they kept telling the homeowners over and over again, you won't leave you, we'll do our best to keep you safe and try to figure out what it is. And they did.

I stuck with this family for a year. They did say, as I was reading, that Poltergeist activity does usually last weeks to months to a year or two if you're really unfortunate, but they do tend to burn themselves out is what I read. And possibly working off of the fear and all that kind of thing. If you're seeing it so long for a year, is that energy going to run out?

Because now you're just like, they're old news and they're like, I don't have the energy to use to be that aggressive anymore. I don't know. Right. So as I was researching this and reading up on the different accounts of this haunting, I'm not the world's greatest ghost hunter.

There's a lot of people that have done a lot more than me. Okay, hang on. Hang on. We have to totally go off on a limb here.

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What are you doing? They happen to have many money so they get no free press. Oh, okay. Alright.

So anyway, back to our topic. As I was reading it, as you know, I'm not really big on the noisy ghost theory. There are ghosts, there are noisy, but I don't like getting the name holder guys. I prefer that as angst from somebody.

And there wasn't really anybody in the home angsty other than the activity from this entity. And so as I was reading it and just the strength behind it and the power behind it and the texts that were sent to the mom and the scratches, to me, if I were to call it anything, I would have called it a demonic entity or what we say a type three, a stronger type three, a stronger type three than we've had to ever deal with. I think that, not that it would just give up, but I think at some point it realizes it's a lost cause and there's help and it's been called out and so it's going to go work on someone that doesn't know that it's there. Yeah, just for me personally, a holder guys, the line of thought is never really using to necessarily identify a specific thing as being a boulder guys.

I've always just used it as a description of activity. Is it mostly moving objects or is it showing itself to me just saying they're recurring on intelligent, older guys, so a lot of time older guys think to me. When people describe it, it doesn't necessarily mean intelligent. This one started out as just stuff moving.

I personally have never classified anything like this. Is a boulder guys, but the activity is relatively heavy. I would have to agree with you. I don't mind using a folder guys as an adjective.

I don't like using it as an am. Just a lot of you didn't think, oh, it goes to move stuff? Well, see, what you said was started out benign and then it got more intelligent. And to me, that's one of the things that just made me go, wow, I think this is a demonic entity trying to work towards a possession because they start off really cutesy and not a big deal.

And think about Annabelle, it was at all that would just change positions and all that's so cute. And then it turned really ugly. So that's one of the things that I was reading. I was like, I don't know.

I think I would classify this demonic, not poltergeist. To meet poltergeist activity is like, it's movement and it just stays movement. It just consistently that. So if you're type 3, it's going to be more so leaning towards now it's saying this and doing that and it has additional things to poltergeist activity is just the move typically from when I tend to see.

I think we'll agree. It could be a classification, sure, but it's really just a classification of a type of entity. And I think that the first step that we're talking about is if you move something and most activity that I hear of starts that way, it doesn't often start with what the first thing that happened is I saw a headless person standing my doorway. It's usually like a book fell out of the shelf, a mirror fell over, and that starts the little worm in the back of your head.

Yeah, and then you start with the other things. What was that? And so the door is now partially open. And so it needs to do maybe even more minimal things to convince you of its existence.

And once you're convinced it's there, the next step can start. Yep, absolutely. A little spoiler here, we're actually going to get more in-depth on these kind of spirits and possessions soon, so that's something that interests you. There's a lot of steps in that we don't want to talk about it much now, so that we've got stuff to talk about when we do that series.

To me, it's just snacks that are classic attempt to possess by breaking people down. Yeah, it'll just make you more tired than the fact that it is exhausting if it can keep it up. Absolutely. So the other thing that this whole Fauchil poltergeist case study brought out was just being cautious when we go on residential because people say, you know, all ghost hunting does that scare you.

And honestly, no, things could startle you. I've never gone into anything scared, but you do need to go in cautious and respectful and on your toes because they've got a phone call of, hey, my friend's daughter thinks they have a ghost or my friend thinks they might have a ghost. How many times have we heard that? That's every house call.

And it's funny, and I'm not trying to put anybody down because when you're experiencing something that you can't explain, you're scared. But there's been a lot of times where I'll talk to the homeowner and then I'll get on our group text and I say, okay, we've got something based on what the homeowners telling me. Very possibly could be type three. It could be possibly the demonic entity.

And then we'll get there and it's not. And whether things are just bigger in their head than they appear because they're scared, I don't know. But every time we go into a home, you never know what it's going to be. Yeah, there's two sides to it, honestly.

From my perspective, I don't know anybody here outside of our team. I'm personally I'm stepping into the area. And so I'm going to strangers houses, which is potentially scary as is. You don't know what you're walking into a lot of times, just environmental-wise.

And with that person, right? I know it's a ploy to steal my equipment. You do have to stay aware of your surroundings in general. But to that same point, some of the darker calls that we've been to, like, I have felt things in my emotions on the way to them.

Like some uneasiness, almost as if it's something trying to get me to not go there. I think that's the shared experience I've heard about with multiple paranormal investigators. Something might get in the way. Something might be in a convenience tree day where you're questioning whether you should go or not.

But I'm all just like, eh, I want them to see if something goes flat across the room. And it seems to me like the people that downplay it more are the ones that really have the stronger things. I mean, we did a residential not too long ago when a couple was like, you know, we've cut these things on our kids' videos, and, you know, by videos, you know, like baby monitors. And we see a dark shadow, and they're just like, oh, hum, it seems like those are the ones that have had the most activity that we have captured.

I think a lot of that is more than you make excuses for it or deny it if it's really trouble to get to you. And it has to do more. And if I'm already scared of ghosts, I live alone. And whatever, I use slamadour in the middle of the night.

Out, gone, bye. If I don't believe in the paranormal, if I'm in the middle of the day, I'm a really busy person, I'm not easily rattled. If I'm not a slamadour, I'm going to be like, that's not like a noise slam, but clearly I didn't slam. So what's it going to do next?

Or it's going to throw a pot at me or something. And then I'm like, well, you know, I was walking, the house is on level, it's becoming a temperature change. It's just going to take more and more and more and more and more in that. It's going to end up being pretty negative for them.

And I figure, regardless, your reasons, if you get to the point where you sit down at your computer and Google Ghostbusters or call your friend's friend, because you know a guy, you probably got some stuff going down in one way or another. Whether it's real or whether there's just some things that can be debunked that just has you spooked. There's something bothering you. So regardless, give us a call.

Come on. One thing I will say just as an investigation from tip, the line of lines of being cautious is being very intentional when you are asking for physical evidence. It's pretty easy when we have our quick-mounts saying come touch the screen light, do this or that. But when you ask for something to move in a room, be specific.

Don't say can you move something in this room? Because then you're saying next to a bookcase and then the vase on top of the bookcase falls into that. It did move something. You gave it permission.

You asked it to do that. You know, if you specific say can you move this over here? It's a ping pong ball. Can you move this stuffed animal, please?

Oh my gosh, your stuffed animal that has yet to do anything to one of the house. It is. It is. Actually.

I was there. I was in the podcast. We talked about how it was called about a month ago or maybe a month ago now. It went off multiple times, all alone.

If we had it in the child room and whiskey and I and the clients were in the parent room across the hall and it went off. Yeah, two or three times easily. And then I walked over there because I was like, there's no way. And it went off right in front of me.

I wasn't even here. And I was like, what? It worked. It actually worked.

Who thought? And that's the crazy part. Just go out to every second. With paranormal tech, if you design your own tech or anything.

Because it's not like we can go out and make sure it works. Right? It all operates on theory. And we have to sit there and ask ourselves like, how long do we keep trying this thing that we have thought up?

To see if it works. And also. It works every time. Yeah.

Like, how would you know what's a tweak if it didn't really work? You don't know what part about it because you're just making it up sort of. Like, I don't know. It's like an educated guess.

So whiskey, what kind of equipment you're going to talk to us about? What new thing are we going to test until it doesn't work? What if you like to know? I think actually we're actively doing that with an accidental piece of equipment that I bought and also has with our thermal leak detectors.

But you've seen them actually and we have both out. And you can watch them move from left to right. And we were watching it activate equipment. It was like it was standing in one spot.

It's such a describe out works because it was like a thermal leak detector. That sounds insane. It's just an infrared thermometer. Kind of like the ones you might have seen during the COVID era when they pointed your forehead.

But meant for more kind of commercial use. So it's not meant just for reading skin temperature. And what we can do is we'll turn it on and take a baseline reading of whatever we're pointing at. And then we have a little slider.

We can adjust to be one degree, five degree, five degree, ten degrees off. Usually, if it's one degree, dropping five and ten degrees has to be a pretty significant entity that very uncommon to run into. So one degree is good for us most of the time. And that's when we're next in an air conditioner or something like that.

But we put a little green light on projecting it out onto the wall or just out into anywhere. When it's ready to go, and that just means it's within, it's the threshold of the temperature that it picked up when we set it down. If it goes blue, then it's exceeded that threshold to the cold side. And if it goes red, it went hot.

So it shouldn't really be sitting there fluctuating one degree back and forth nonstop. If an air conditioner is on, it's going to consistently drop. And then it'll eventually get warmer. The air conditioner is off from almost being in the room.

So we set them out. We had one kind of closer to read in. And we had one a little bit further away. It was almost like it was standing the one further away.

And it would walk over and activate the equipment. Because we would see at the same time, where even Swashlight would turn on, it would get colder right there. Which to me validated two pieces of equipment. It validated the flashlight.

Would you do yourself for like, I think it just turns off. Right before we were like, no, it's getting colder right there. And what it walks away, it turns off. I wasn't really paying attention to those.

I was looking at the flashlight and I just went randomly, and I'm like, I don't know. And I couldn't doubt it for a while. Because I would ask a question and it would take forever to turn on and ever turn off. And I was like, eh, and at that point I'm like, I don't think this is working.

And you're like, actually. And it actually, to be fair, your back was turned away from where you could see them turn on and off. So that is true. So we're testing that theory and hoping to expand on it.

And ultimately we can really get it going. It could be potentially easier for an entity if it is manipulating the temperature. Instead of having to use energy to light up a light or anything. And we can just tell it to go stand over here for yes and stand over here for no.

I think that will be much more difficult. What if it's, you know, yes is warmer and you know, where yes or no with the different temperatures. That would be interesting. Yeah, we've seen a couple of times it went up hotter.

Most of the time when someone walks by, I saw it flicker red a few times. In my experience, I don't often see spikes in temperature because, not because of anything. Paranormal theory is it gets colder because it's drawing the energy out to do something else. But that would be cool if we can get something back to actually manipulate it going up.

I don't know if they can change their temperature because I can't just change my temperature at will. But I wonder if this goes stand over to this one of you. This one of you doesn't go stand over that one if no. I can change my temperature.

But it's got to. It's run for a second. I'm getting hotter. Just get embarrassed.

That's a change in temperature. My chit's a- Yeah, that's something we're looking at right now. We also, I've faced up a piece of equipment for Moon, but we'll talk about that. Another time, C4T should work.

So that motion sensor based thing. Thank goodness. Thank goodness for Whiskey because me and my sister-in-law try to make this equipment ourselves. And after a while being my backpack and bouncing around, it got totally putchered.

So, true the rescue. So, um, that's it. I don't sell any equipment on the website yet. But what we do sell on events.

Run a lot of com. It's some pretty sweet merch, cleanse and kids, things like that. So maybe one day. This is a little time of the little APS device.

Just sell out to you guys fresh from Whiskey's lab. Make sure to check us out at events.com by your tickets. Make sure you follow our event right through there. I'll get you emails before we post anywhere, which is great.

If you're actually about to get through, subscribe to the event for anything like that. And check us on YouTube to take talk, all that stuff. And if you're on Patreon and you haven't yet, come to our Discord. Come chat with us.

And if you're not on a major on hand, you want to. Coming over. Subscribe, I think. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's just the minimum tier that gets you into the Discord.

Is that right? Yep. Yeah. Just five bucks a month.

And it'll get you into the shindig. It's a great value. Even if you're designing your own equipment, five bucks a month, you post a question in there. Someone's going to talk me to answer it.

It's going to be just a very valuable resource I'd say. And evidence posted in our time. You can submit your evidence to us. We'll take a look, break it down.

Share amongst the team, give you our opinion on it. Give you credit for it. Give you credit for it. Give you credit for it's definitely not paranormal unless you Photoshop a ghost under it.

I will tell you that. But we'll give you like, hey, this is what we've seen out of hundreds of hours of audio that we have quarterly. Basically that we search through pictures and everything like that. And this is what we think so.

Great place to get started. So, you're going to be drunk. Okay. And our junk drawer is actually sponsored by DSF, Hueyish, Performing Arts and Cultural Events Center, which they call PACE.

Go check them out. They have space to rent. They're renovating the whole building. It's going to be amazing when it's all done.

I think they have a Wednesday choreo, jurial key night. They've got a lot of events. So go check out their webpage. And when I say a lot of events, they do have events or get into the pool.

They're still working progress, but they are doing things. Yes. And the event that we're going to have there, I was going to say this earlier and I forgot, it's going to be, if you've ever been to the hub on one of our hub investigations, it's going to be similar. It's going to be really, really good for anybody who's never got attended before.

Maybe you're interested in it, but you're nervous too, because we're actually going to have little class. It's been an hour and a half. It depends on how many questions we get. And then we just go through the basics of paranormal.

You could maybe call it paranormal 101 or paranormal 101. And then afterwards we will do an abbreviated investigation. We will also do this full fledged long, normal investigations there, but this particular one, we call an editor and then we'll do an investigation after it, but it'll be fun. Yeah, and we do have two ticket levels.

We have the presentation with the investigation, and I think that's $35, and then I believe just the presentation itself is only $5. So if you're interested, go out to Eventbride or eventsparanormal.com and look up the thing and get tickets there. Like I say, for $5 for the education and seeing Raven's presentation, that's a really great value. And you can also just hop on our Facebook page.

There's a link for it there as well. All right, so we're trying to do a buy tickets to an investigation. And you're in Lunarized Group, it might turn into karaoke anyways. Absolutely.

Yes. And if you're interested in the investigation, the huge can actually, we could probably put four teams in there, three teams, but with the renovation right now we only feel good about two. So if you want to get on the investigation part, I would suggest you get those tickets sooner than later, because until they get a few more renovations to an investigation, it's going to be a little bit more limited in tickets. All right, so for our dark drawer, have you guys seen the movie Coraline?

Yeah. Yes, it's too hard to fit when I was at the gym. Lining. So we might have a little bit of dark minds over here.

It is my children's one of their favorite movies, especially my youngest. She watches it all the time. If you haven't seen it, it's been out for a long time. So I don't know.

There's terribly spoilers, but Jerome felt because it's been out for a while. It's actually based on a novel that was written in 2002, also called Coraline, written by a British fellow named Neil Gaiman, G-A-I-M-A-N. But the original story, think of this as more like maybe a modern fairy tale, the original story comes from an ancient account of his hometown, which is County Hapshire in the UK. So it talks about just outside of this town, there was an elderly woman and she had a new granddaughter.

And this is supposedly like a real thing. Her son and granddaughter had died in a fire, but the little girl survived. And everyone was like, oh, this is a miracle. She survived.

A whole time passed and the neighbors and some of the townspeople realized they never really saw this little girl. She was never outside playing. Grandma got her in the house, never let anyone near the house. And so they jokingly named her the bad mother.

Oh, she doesn't let this little girl go out. And so it just became a village mystery. And so many people, especially some of the children, were really curious because they knew there was a child in the house and why didn't this child come out and play. And so they got really brave and they decided to wait until at turn night time and they were going to sneak into this house to meet this mysterious girl.

So they do. They meet, they sneak into the house. And when they entered, they found no indication that there was a child living there. There was no clothes, no toys.

They did find a crib. And when they looked in the crib, they found the body of a baby that was almost completely burned. And so they got the eye of the eyes. There were buttons which if you've seen Corline, you won't understand the significance of that.

And there were stitches where the mouth would have been. And it came out, this girl didn't survive the fire actually. And they figured that the old woman had managed to recover her body and she was just, it was her granddaughter. And she was just having a hard time dealing with her death.

And so she lived as though this little girl was still real. So obviously the children ran away frightened because that would be a terrifying thing to find. They told the parents, well she's not going to the south, this is what we saw. The police were called and the old woman was admitted into a psychiatric hospital where she stayed.

So Corline is based on a true story to some degree. You would think that you would think people would talk about that because that's a crazy story. And people are obsessed with the Smoothing Linkers. They're called following.

That's so crazy. I love the movie Corline. I think it's really fun. Interesting.

And they mentioned it too. You made it that fun. I know. You just told that story.

You said you love it. I'm going to have to rewatch it one of these days with that old different hype. See if it gives me different vibes. It was creepy.

Smart advice. Okay. I got some vibes going on right now. Okay, we have done two investigations since our last podcast.

We have done the HU-H-H-H-H, and then we have done the residential. So let's talk about the HU-H first talk about it. First of all, the stage of period of employment. That's being part of the stage that we- Oh, yeah.

Unless you forget that it spins and you stand on it and it makes you sit. If you know that it spins, it's fine, but if you forget that part, you might get a little bit of vertigo. Just saying. I did not notice it's spun until it started moving.

So we went and investigated. Like I already said, it's under construction. So it's really broken down into kind of three areas that different people can be in. because they're still renovating.

There's no sound stopping from a couple of the areas. That's why we're limited into how we can separate groups, but we investigated upstairs in the booth, a little kind of office space up there. The main theater stage, under the stage, under the entire theater. The basement is so huge and long.

I felt like I was under a different building. I forgot what the- I never knew there was a basement down there. Like, you wanna see the basement? I was like, there's a basement?

It's huge. It was enormous. You can't really lost in there, because it's basically an L-shape, but it just seems huge. Yeah, you just kept going and kept going and I think it goes back further than the theater.

I feel like I was under the street. I feel like we cross a different building. It is. It is big.

It goes back pretty far away from the entrance. There's a cool shoot down there that turns out even the person doing renovations is very scared of. We had some intelligent communication going on with the crew and slowly I separated within a distance of the crew to who know how there's something happened, which ended up happening. I thought I saw a small boy standing in the doorway and I called Christy over and she came over and between the two conversations going on between both of our groups, it became clear that something was very much trying to pretend to be a little boy.

So people would like it, but also started using some scary words, which is not something a little boy generally would do. And that's just something when you come on investigations with us, we say, don't take things home with you. If you're talking to a little boy and he's so cute, don't invite him home with you later because it's not always going to be that little boy. I don't think that happened.

I saw her first visual. Which was verified by whiskey, which was so nice. I was like, what was that? He's like right here and like, yes, and so we saw this glowy type of orb just shoot across the mid wall.

It was really interesting. I was like, yes, finally I saw something. Actually, yeah, the first paranormal thing I ever saw was actually a visible orb, and it was in an area where there could not have been reflections from anything. I was with Castle.

It was up at Fort Douglas in the Commander's house and it just collapsed around our feet. And it wasn't like a bug, it wasn't us, we could know what it was, and more than one of us saw. Oh, wow. I think it seems like watermelon.

I was looking for birds. I got my really bright flashlight out because it could have been something physically in the room. It could have been a reflection from anywhere else because there is the light from the booth coming through. I started looking for a bird, but also it flew directly into the wall in this period.

So it was unlikely to be a bird, but we looked anyways and could have figured out anything. And it was, we both described the same motion pattern, same shape as about the size of a watermelon. I'm not going to lie, it was a pretty decent, like, going by. In one bird.

That's the bird. Coming back. That would be. And I know towards the end of the investigation, because we were only there for about two hours.

We were all in the theater area, and they've got all the seats pulled out while they're doing some renovation. And there's the machinery sitting around, and we had our laser grids out. And we had some pretty interesting anomalies that we saw in those laser grids. Yeah, we saw, it looked like somebody walked in, dumped a little desky-shiria, and then we had sets up a bit.

At one point, none of us really wanted to go under the stage. Spider webs were one. These spiders. There was definitely some vibes that, I mean, it is a big voice space when you're standing at a stage with nothing walking in the front part of it.

So your mind does become your worst enemy in those scenarios, but it did feel like something was just under there. Just even when you're on top of the stage, it felt like something was just waiting under there. And that's not the basement. The basement goes underneath past all that, in a different area.

So definitely not. And I was sitting on the stage, and whiskey you and Kristi were down doing some things on the floor. And Denise, you were in a completely different area at this time, I think. I don't think you were there.

And I kept seeing a third person down there with you. Whiskey. Cause like several times I'm like, did you just walk over there? Did you go over here?

And then you're like, no, I haven't moved. No. You mean, there you go. Yeah.

All right, ask Kristi. You know, where are you? And I'm right here. Yeah, there was a third person down there with you.

The thing that caught with you was part of our thermal-eated decker testing, where you felt like you were getting a hug on your leg, and it went cold. Yes. At the same time, which is interesting. That was down in the basement, wasn't it?

Very as far back as we could get. Yeah, it was actually on her knee, the thermal detector. And I happened to take a couple photos, and on my phone, you can slide them. So it looks like a little video.

And you can see this shadowy thing by her. Just going back and forth. It was really interesting, but it was really cool that we caught that with the thermal as well. So it felt like two valid pieces of evidence there.

Yeah, that was a fun investigation. And I'm really looking forward to going back. Yeah. So Whiskey, do you want to introduce the residential that we did?

Yeah, this one technically we'd have us need twice, different members of the group have been there. Uh, long story short, my grandparents both have passed away and we're at the point now where we're just, it's a really big house. So it is quite the process to go through every room and everything to figure out what we're keeping and what's going on with the family. I have a pretty big family on that side.

So a lot of cousins are like, oh, I'll take this, that. Quite the process. But I grew up had paranormal activity happen in the house. And we couldn't see a mystery person like child playing with us as kids that like, I couldn't really understand.

But the main thing that would happen that would cause the most conflict is we would often hear somebody calling her names. This house is big. There's intercoms. People usually intercoms with the house, but not always.