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More than most people can be the key to feeling more productive and less overwhelmed. Today's guest is an organization of master and has created a business to serve those of you struggling to get organized. She's also a fellow military spouse who's learned to pivot in her business and in life due to uncertain circumstances. Welcome to the show.
I'm super excited to chat with you today about all of these organizations, but especially how you found your passion and how your journey has been through making it a tangible and possible business. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. Yeah, I can't wait to hear some tips and tricks and organization and more than anything how you got to be an organizational master.
Before you get started, why don't you share a little bit about your background and who you are? Okay. Yeah. I think definitely when you become a military spouse you're kind of like a cat with my friends.
And so I've done a little bit of everything, you know, leading up to this point. Before I was married, I actually was an elementary school teacher for a few years. And that was kind of what I grew up thinking that I would be doing. And that was, you know, really big passion for me.
And then once we got married, we actually pieced over seas immediately, basically. And so while we were living in Germany for four years, I worked at a few different offices on base. I worked at the Education Center working with equity members, helping them continue their education and, you know, just helping them with tuition and things like that. And then I actually finished in Germany doing a job at the CDC as the assistant director.
So, you know, look at that kind of a little bit of everything. Only a lot of like kid focused and education focused, you know, kind of, that's kind of the umbrella, I think. And I'm still very passionate about both of those. And so thankfully now I'm still able to do that within my organizing business.
But we got to San Antonio, Texas in 2016. And I thought, you know, I had just finished my master's degree while we were in Germany. And I thought, oh man, you know, I am just going to have so many opportunities. It's going to be amazing.
You know, so often I think about the whole thing. And it just wasn't that. That was not my experience. I spent months just applying for jobs and, you know, got to the point where I was applying for jobs that I didn't even really think I wanted.
But I just, you know, I felt like I didn't have a lot of options. And I was getting nowhere. You know, it was like, it was definitely a separated market. It felt like a place where you had to know somebody to even, you know, get that initial contact.
Right. And, you know, for some reason I was finding myself in a place where positions that I was interested in wanted you to already have years of experience doing that. And because I just finished with my degree, I obviously didn't have that yet. And so I just really struggled with, you know, trying to figure out what my next kind of point in my journey was going to look like.
And, you know, and I didn't want to, you know, go back to go backwards and, you know, start working like at an entry level position when I worked so hard to, you know, build up from that. And so, you know, yeah, it was just really, really hard. And so just kind of had a real, real moment in life. And then, you know, the organizing world kind of opened up to me and just that was actually I think that people did for a living and got paid for.
And, and so that journey kind of started there. That's awesome. You know, I love the analogy of the cat with nine lives. I've never heard of that before, but it is so, so true.
We've all, you know, gone through this journey of, I'll try this. I'll try that a little bit of this, a little bit of that to try and find your fit is the way I see it. And, you know, you talked about job, the job market, one and years of experience. And that's something that military spouses are not often afforded, especially those of us overseas.
We have a lot of gaps in our resume, whether it's due to motherhood or it's due to location. And so that, yeah, that is a real, a real challenge and it can be demoralizing. And so it sounds like you went through a little bit of a, what I would call, you know, a little personal identity crisis. Trying to find your fit in that, you know, is such a common thing in the military spouse community.
I know it's common for a lot of people to go through identity crisis, but I think maybe ours are sometimes even longer than some because of the situations that we're putting. So, you know, you had mentioned in your, in your questionnaire that I had sent out before our interview about how in education, when you were teaching before you got married, that you had the opportunity to, you know, organize your classroom and kind of share that with your fellow teachers and staff that worked at the school. Tell me a little bit more about that and how, you know, being a organized person is, is part of you. Yeah.
Yeah. So, I mean, you know, and I, you know, my parents and I laugh about it even now is it's like, they're not surprised at all that this is what I'm doing with my life because even, you know, when I was two, I would, you know, like, take all my mom's shoes out of the bottom of a closet and I would line them up and match each pair and, you know, I make it look really nice and, and just little things like that that I did, you know, throughout my life. And, like I said, you know, even when I was growing up, I always dreamed that I was going to be a teacher. And so even in my bedroom, I had, you know, I had a desk in there and I had things lined up and my desk was all, you know, really like clean and organized, you know, and my fake files and everything were always there.
And so then, you know, when I actually got to the real teaching profession, excuse me, there's a lot to manage in a classroom, you know, and not just paperwork and files, but it's, it's organizing lessons, it's organizing the systems within your classroom that you're trying to teach your kids, it's organizing your kids organizational skills, so that they can be successful and find things even inside their desk or, you know, their library book or whatever. And so, you know, I think it's just all been opportunities to kind of build that muscle and, and just, you know, I mean, I had a couple instances where, you know, when I moved into my new classroom, it was, I was taking over a classroom from a teacher who was being promoted into like a principal position. And so she was just, she thought she was kind of doing me a favor by leaving me everything that she had. The reality was that that was actually probably more work for me and not as beneficial because it was just a lot of stuff that I had to go through.
I had to figure out if it was still relevant, I had to figure out, you know, if it was stuff that would even be useful and be able to make space for my own resources and things that I was bringing to the classroom too. And so just being able to really, you know, kind of navigate that took a lot of planning and organization to really get it to where I wanted it to be and to feel like a really, you know, learning environment where, you know, not all the table tops were covered in papers or, you know, things. And so, yeah, I mean, I just really think that that was a huge opportunity for me to really kind of grow that and practice that muscle and really hone in on it. Yeah.
And, you know, organization can be overwhelming in itself. Like where do I start? Where do I start? You know, I find that when I start one room, it leads me on this bunny trail to another.
And then before I know it, I've got a giant mess going on and I'm so overwhelmed looking at it that I'm like, I don't even, I would just want to walk away and like, I find myself walking in circles. And then they always say, you know, it has to get worse before it gets better. But organization, and tell me what you see. For me, it helps me, it helps me be more productive.
It helps me think more clearly and truthfully not be so mean to my family. If my house is disorganized and disarray, I'm just not a nice person to be around. And it's not so much that I'm on your level where, you know, that's, I was doing a trust as a kid, I was a complete opposite. My room was a new rack.
But now as an adult, I can find that it's just, it's overwhelming and I can't think, I can't focus and I'm just not getting done. So what do you see out of the people that you help? Like, you know, who's coming to you for these organizational tips and ideas? Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you know, it's always a different reason to why somebody may be initially hiring us. But I think the, you know, the overall kind of urging reasons are really focused around people who are just, you know, tired. They're tired of not being able to find their stuff. They're tired of not having a place to sit on the couch, you know, or having to move the pile of clothes from their bed to the chair, back to the bed, back to the chair, you know, kind of thing.
People who are just, you know, really overwhelmed and a lot of times people that have a lot of gills around that, you know, and I think that kind of what you were saying, like one of the biggest things that we don't really realize is how much our physical environment does affect our internal feelings and, you know, our peace of mind and all of those things that are kind of going on inside of us. And I mean, it's just amazing sometimes, you know, when we really get to dig into a project and clear out a space and get it organized and just make room, you know, for things to breathe and, you know, it doesn't have to be something in every edge of the room, you know, and just the relief that we see in clients at the end of the project. I mean, you can literally just kind of see that weight come off of them and just see how much they're able to really just breathing and relax, honestly, in their space. Yeah, I love, I wrote it down.
You said how much our physical environment affects our internal state of life, I mean, like true wisdom right there. It's so true. And, you know, going back to your personal journey, I'm getting to this point where you have an organizational business and you teach people how to organize, you know, you don't necessarily go in and do it for them, but you know, you're still in your teaching room. You might not be in the classroom like you were earlier on in your career, but you know, you're, you adapted, you pivoted from teaching a classroom environment to teaching people face to face to now pivoting once again, moving your business online, talk to me a little bit about those transitions and how you've handled them personally.
Yeah, I mean, I definitely wouldn't say that I've handled them with complete grace. But overall, I think it's been okay. Yeah. You know, like you're talking about, you know, a little bit before is I had my, you know, I was working in person when I'm on the clients while we were stationed in San Antonio.
And, and I really felt like the business was hitting it stride right about the time that we were piecing. Yeah. And so that was that still has been really tough for me. And we've been here in Las Vegas now for just over six months.
And, and so, you know, I did have a team that was working with me and I had a couple of just amazing women that were willing to stick it out with me. They still worked with clients in San Antonio after I moved. I was kind of project manager, but they were going in and actually working with clients. And so, you know, we just kind of tested that journey a little bit and kind of tested that out to see what that was going to look like.
And you know, I mean, we worked with a lot of clients. We actually had probably the best season of my business since I started it. But it really was something that I was personally struggling with because I also work from the process. You know, part of what really drives me is being able to have that one on one connection with people and really being able to support them and be there for them and guide them.
And so, when I kind of started really realizing that I was feeling more stressed than I was encouraged and relief and, you know, all those positive things, that's when I really started to realize, okay, this maybe isn't the route that I want to go with the business. And so then, you know, I was kind of around January, February, time frame, I was already in the mindset of thinking about like, okay, what is this going to look like then if it's not going to be in person services? Because as you know, you know, the thought of me stopping San Antonio and having to start completely over here is so overwhelming. Yeah.
So, you know, I mean, it's just the service that I'm offering is such a personal service. It's such a intimate thing that it's so hard to, you know, you really have to be able to get one person and show them what you can do and let them care about it. It's really hard to just get those fuzzy feelings from social media. Right.
Yeah. So, you know, thinking about doing it that way was really not what I want either. And so I was, you know, I kind of started hitting my mind and thinking, how can I still give a personal service that is online or, you know, virtual in some way? And so, you know, I'm still kind of working through that.
Like I said, we are, you know, we have been launching some online resources and I've been doing some challenges and things where I can still help people, you know, kind of face to face. But, you know, but I've also just really been mourning the loss of my business. You know, this wasn't really what I, what I, you know, I mean, I wouldn't say that I was going to plan necessarily, but this definitely what I thought would ever be in the plan. And now this kind of feels like really the route that, you know, I need to at least try to go and see how you really don't make that work.
But it's, it's tough. Yeah, you know, talking about mourning the loss of your business that I really love that you brought that up because as a society, everyone's like pivot, you know, change mindset. And you know, yes, that is all important. And it's a choice that we make, but that doesn't mean it's not okay to mourn the loss of something that you had.
You know, we talked a little bit about before the show how my services ended up online as well because, you know, in the military life cycle, you're in a space and grow your business. And then you feel like you hit your stride like you mentioned, and then it's time to go again. And how many times can you do that before you get to the point where you're like, is it worth it? Yeah.
But the fact that we as a community have to go through that is something that I don't think a lot of people talk about. I don't think a lot of people share that they're mourning the loss of the business. We put on this gray face that it's like, well, we're, it's okay. It is what it is.
You know, I'll make it work. And, you know, that's great. And I love that. But it's a real life challenge.
So thank you for being vulnerable and saying that because I know that there's a lot of listeners out there that they're probably feeling the same way and then guilty that they're mourning the loss and not focusing on, you know, that's taking from what can I do in the future? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I think about that too. Just in terms of, you know, we've conditioned our family dynamic that we're not relying on the income that my business makes, you know, that's kind of like the icing on the cake. So it wasn't when Coke hit, it wasn't necessarily, oh my gosh, how am I going to pay my bills?
You know, it wasn't that. It was my gosh, my business has completely dried up and now what am I going to do? How am I going to help clients? You know, and so kind of like, you know, I can't really say anything because I'm not in a hard place necessarily.
Yeah. But at the same time, I personally, yes, I am in a hard place because my business has come up, you know, as I knew it. And I had a team of girls and so trying to navigate that with them too, you know, that meant that they weren't making money. Yeah.
And, you know, and so just like holding that responsibility of the whole thing was a lot, you know, and trying to navigate it gracefully and be thoughtful. I couldn't just do whatever I felt I wanted to do. You know, I had to have some conversations and really, and like you said, be honest and really just try to navigate that as best as I could. And it's just not easy.
You know, that's an important thing to talk about is the fact that it's not always about money. You know, I've had a lot, I've done a lot of interviews in the last couple of weeks for Honest Up Radio and so many of these wonderful ladies are entrepreneurs. And we are entrepreneurs because we, you know, have tried to find our fit in this military life and, you know, the uncertainties of life. And it isn't always about the money.
But there's something to be said for having that business on the side or maybe it's even volunteer work or being a stay at home mom and having a community of friends, whatever it looks like, it's something for you, whatever that is. And you know, you talked about how it's, you felt guilty in a way of like, well, it's not about the money, but you know, you're sad even though even still, it doesn't discredit your feelings. That's what I'm talking about is that, you know, this impact of the pandemic on top of moving and so on and so forth is not just about a financial resource, but part of you. What are some of the things that have helped you get through?
And you might still be in the process of working through these things, but what are some of the things that have been getting you through the day by day as you made this change? Yeah. I mean, you know, I know it sounds maybe a little cliche, but honestly, you know, having a supportive husband who just understands, you know, he's definitely not as emotionally connected as I am, but he's still understands. Like, he obviously saw me build my business up and he saw all the time and energy and, you know, and all of that great that went into it.
And so he can recognize now that I'm kind of going through this, you know, that I'm going through this loss and there's no pressure there to make something else happen. You know, he kind of just lets me navigate this other going through and listens and, you know, just tries to be as supportive as he can. And so I think that that definitely makes a huge impact for me because if I was feeling pressure from him to make something else happen, you know, and that's, that's even more tough, I think. And I, and I've also just, you know, the girls on my team, you know, I really, really dreaded having those hard conversations with them because I didn't want to let them down.
But they both have been so gracious and so understanding and, you know, one of the other lead girl on my team, she actually is a retired, her husband's retired military. Okay. So she just has shown me so much compassion and totally understands my situation and, you know, is encouraging of me for whatever comes next. Yeah.
And so I think just having those people that are really, you know, that I felt really, really relying on me now are still supporting me, even if I can't support them by offering them, you know, a job. Yeah. Yeah. You know, honest conversations are tough, but I think sometimes we tend to make them bigger in our minds than they actually end up being, you know, we, we build things up and, you know, you had said you felt like you were letting them down and that they were relying on you.
But, you know, I talk a lot in honest talk about how we rely on each other and when you may be serving somebody in one room, but they're serving you in another end to be honest, that back and forth is what makes friendships and connections work. And in your mind, you were thinking like, gosh, she's going to be on a job, but it was more, it sounds like it was more to her than a job. It was a connection. It was a friendship.
It was a relationship. And so she was being blessed just by being in contact with you. Yeah. And that's huge.
And, you know, it's what are some of the, what are some of the things that you've learned through the process? Like, you know, how you talked about it, you didn't necessarily give your, you know, wasn't a true, maybe a graceful process. But what are some of the things that you've learned through this? Yeah.
You know, I am definitely the type of person that believes that things happen for a reason. And so, you know, when I kind of started shifting my mindset to be thinking about, okay, what are some things that I feel I can still be authentic, but provide this service online? And, you know, so I was listening to different podcasts and I was listening to just other organizers kind of talking about how they were shifting their business and everybody was saying, you know, basically doesn't work if you're not seeing your authentic self. And I just felt like, okay, the universe is telling me that I need to just get over it, you know, get over myself.
What is authentic for me? And when I started doing that, you know, I just felt such a relief of the pressure of the anxiety of everything and just, you know, and when I was just being honest with people, I mean, just the positive energy that was given back to me just really encouraged me to keep going, you know, being more of my authentic self. And, you know, there's other organizers that I talked to that are like, oh, no, you need to keep your business in San Antonio, you need to build this empire, start it as everywhere you go and find people to manage it. And, you know, and that's great for some people.
And unfortunately for me, that just isn't really filling me up. And it is what, you know, I didn't start this business to create some multi-million, you know, company. I want to help people. And so for me, I still, you know, need that connection, that personal connection.
And that's not right or wrong. And it's not bad. And I just, you know, so being able to kind of accept that has really, I think, I don't know, just changed, just changed, you know, my mentality and everything. Yeah, I love that the number one lesson you talked about learning was to be authentic.
I find that running an online business or creating an online business, going into that space, it's so easy to get caught up in the comparison trap, is what I call it. My Instagram page doesn't look as beautiful as everyone else's. My filters aren't right. I'm not going live enough.
I'm, you know, and that just, it can feed the already feelings of self-doubt there there and, or maybe read at night those feelings that you, you, you may be navigated earlier on in your business. And so being authentic, whether that means, you know, you post once a week versus five times a day, or however you share or however you connect, it has to fit you. It has to fit your personality. It has to fit your, your goals.
And that's why, you know, I, I gave, I gave so much energy by doing these podcast interviews because I feel like I get to talk to someone. You know, although we have a computer, you know, in between us, that I know exactly what you mean about that for some action and seeing people all face to face. And, yeah, you've got to be authentic. It's the only, it's really the only way to win a life is to be you.
Yeah. Yeah. So very good times, but I think, I think it's really worth it. Yeah.
Yeah. When you say it's scary, why do you think it's scary? What do you think is scary about being authentic? I, you know, I don't know.
I guess in some ways it just feels more vulnerable, you know, you know, and actually I was talking with one person, I'm talking about this and, you know, obviously I'm a military spouse and I do have that listed, you know, as part of my bio is it is on my social media and sometimes I'll post content that, you know, is military focused. But if I'm being really honest, I really didn't share that with potential clients. I didn't make a point to tell them that I'm with military spouse until, you know, once I got the job and if we started working together and we were talking during sessions and things like that, then I would share, you know, if I felt like comfortable or it came out or whatever. But I really hid part of that because I was scared.
I was scared that people were, I think like, oh, well, if I want to do this long term project, the person might not even be here, you know, and so I just didn't even want to put those kind of thoughts into their minds. And so when we, I didn't share anything on my business, social media about that. There's just a lot, you know, and it's funny because there's a lot of obviously my lifestyle being in, you know, being a military spouse is drives the way that I organize things, especially in my own house. But I was just kind of hiding part of that out of fear, I guess, you know, to share that with people.
And so that's part of kind of where I'm trying to pin it now to being honest, like, hey, guess what? We moved and this is real life. And, you know, and if you're going to tell me, you want to really want to work with me, then let's talk about it because I'm happy to fly back there and still work with you. Yeah.
You know, it doesn't mean we can work together or I can't work with clients that I previously work with again. But, you know, it's just fast. Yeah. But I don't know.
Nobody ever told me not to. It just, for me at the time, it felt like I shouldn't. And so now I'm trying to take steps to, you know, work backwards from that. To embrace it, to embrace the fact that we have many ads, you know, it's no wonder that you said you were scared to show that side because when you got to San Antonio and you were looking for all those jobs and, you know, you either didn't have me the experience criteria or, you know, that job discrimination for most houses is a real thing.
I know there's some really great powerful people that are trying to help in that regard right now, but it's still, it's a real thing and it's there and that's another conversation for another day. But I totally get what you mean by being vulnerable to share all those parts of you because there are certain, I don't want to call them judgments, but there's certain thoughts that have certain people's minds when we share where I'm all traced out. So I was the same in the child work in the world because, you know, I knew people would be like, oh, I don't know if I want to invest in a relationship, not even just a business-client relationship, because you're not going to be around forever. I had those problems too.
Yeah. Yeah. So if you could give one piece of advice for those that are listening that are trying to maybe find their fit and start something new, what would it be? Just I want to.
Just one. You know, I mean, I just go for it. I think that if there's something that's, you know, on your heart that you feel really passionate about, I think that you owe it to yourself to investigate that, you know, you owe it to yourself to really just look into it and learn more about it and figure out if it is something that you can really make work for yourself. Right.
You know, like I said, when I started, when the idea kind of got planted in my mind about doing the organizing business, I had no idea that there were even, you know, that there were tons of other people who are already doing this at their profession. And some people have been doing it for 10 to 15 years because, you know, professional organizing is still a really new kind of career. And so it felt really daunting, I guess, to, you know, because even when I knew I wanted to organize, I didn't really, I still do nothing about running a business. I still do nothing about, you know, what it takes to actually get a website up and get your, you know, services and do all these things.
And so it was really a daunting task. And but I just started looking online and I found some resources, some, you know, professional organizers had to do it for a while, like a couple of them had podcasts where they were just sharing tips and things to be thinking about when you're starting your business and all of that. And so just building off of that really kind of gave me a good jumping point to feel like I could do it. And I think that that was really, really powerful because I didn't feel like, okay, I'm starting this whole thing for scratch and I have no one to talk to or ask questions to, you know, I kind of was able to jump into that community and see from people who had already been doing it and, and, you know, that really helped.
Yeah, finding influencers. So I mean, it doesn't matter if somebody else is already doing what you're thinking about doing because we all have a unique way of doing it. And I sure don't want because I felt, you know, the whole, what do they call it imposter syndrome, where it's, there's so many people out there that are either in the coaching industry or whatever it is, it could be any, any industry and you think, well, somebody else can do it rather than me. So what I'm hearing you say too is that, you know, when you were in the midst of this identity crisis and you didn't know which way to turn with finding a job and battling with, you know, you had spent all this time and energy to get your degrees in pursuit teaching.
And then you found yourself in this, in the face of adversity where it was like, okay, I can't find a job in the context of what I thought it would look like. But for those of you that are in the midst of that, what I'm hearing Melissa say is just go for it. If you have an inkling of an idea, go for it. And if it changes and it, you know, that idea ends up being not the one you want to go with, that's okay, but you won't know unless you're trying.
Yeah, yeah. You owe it to yourself to do it. Look into it and start learning more about it and just, yeah, I mean, you have to. I think that's so important in the military lifestyle.
You know, we really have to have things that we are passionate about that we feel like, I mean, I absolutely feel like I need something that I feel like I'm contributing to this world. Yeah. And you know, and that's not being a spouse, unfortunately, for my husband. Right.
It's being able to share my knowledge and my passion and my compassion, you know, for helping people being able to navigate that. And so that has really, really just improved so many pieces, other pieces of my life, you know, and especially our marriage and my happiness with being, you know, moved around every couple of years and all of that. It's all been impacted by that. You know, I, what you were talking about when you said being a military spouse isn't, you know, what fills you up, if you will.
It's, that's sometimes that's an identity that we, we take on, but it's like I said in the beginning, it's not all of you. It's not, it's not everything about you. You did. You went to school, you got an education.
You, from the time you were two years old, organizing your mom's shoes, you had a gift. You were given a gift to organize, to teach, to share, to connect with people. And for all of you listening out there, you've been given gifts. You have strengths.
We all have weaknesses. That's, that's for sure. But I convinced that we have weaknesses so that other people can be stronger in those departments. You know what I mean?
It's a balance. Yeah. It creates community, I think too, you know, like you can't do everything yourself. You need other people and other resources and things to help you, you know, get from point A to point B and, and so being able to, yeah, find people and tap into their strengths, you know, especially with business, if you are thinking about starting your own business, there are so many things in business that I absolutely can't do on my own.
And if I try to, it is miserable, right? Yeah. For everyone involved, family, friends, coworkers. Yeah.
Yeah. So I think it's, yeah, it's definitely just being able to build your own community through that I think is really powerful too. Yeah. Absolutely.
Well, you Melissa have given us so much to think about and before we go, I'd love for you to share with our listeners where they can find you on social media, your website, email, all of that. Yeah. So yes, I do have a website and it is called modified by Melissa and that's the name of my professional organizing company. And so we are on Instagram and Facebook and Tristan LinkedIn and everything all through modified by Melissa.
And if you're interested in looking at more, you know, kind of seeing what our master classes are and getting any more of that, you can come and join us on Facebook on my business page, modified by Melissa. And we are going to be launching the next, I don't know if you can talk about this. Yeah. Please.
We're going to be launching our next PCS-proof-your-home master class at the beginning of August. And so that is a three day free master class where I'm just sharing all the things that I've personally learned and work with clients on to help you prepare your home before the doctors come so that you can just focus on them when they're there and feel some peace of mind to be prepared and make your life easier on your own time when you're on track as well. Gosh, I needed you. I needed your master class like three days ago.
My business literally just moved yesterday and yesterday. Although this was a very small shipment because we actually have stuff in four different places coming to me as a Virginia at the end of the month. Oh my gosh. Long story short, we were supposed to be moving to Hawaii and I'm sitting here talking to you from Rome, Italy, not Hawaii.
And so yes, stuff is everywhere. And I'm probably going to need your services when we get to the other end because I've lived a year with minimal things in a furnished apartment and I'm probably going to see all those great some shipments arrive and think, what on earth am I going to do with all this? So I will be keeping your number on CDEL. I am here for you.
Sounds good. Well, thank you so much for this awesome conversation today Melissa and I look forward to chatting to you again soon. Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed it.
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