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SSPX: Both Sides of the Controversy | Fr. Gerald Murray, J.C.D. & Fr. Jonathan Loop, FSSPX

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This special four-hour episode confronts one of the most consequential questions facing the Catholic Church today: is the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) on the right side of history? The SSPX’s Fr. Jonathan Loop argues that a continuing crisis in the Church has created a state of necessity that can justify extraordinary measures to preserve Catholic tradition and the priesthood. Fr. Gerald Murray does not think those extraordinary measures are justified and that the SSPX’s misapplication of canon law undermines the Church's divinely established authority.BIOGRAPHIESFr. Jonathan Loop is a priest of the Society of Saint Pius X, a convert to the Catholic Faith, and a respected educator, speaker, and apologist known for his clear defense of Catholic tradition. Ordained in 2011, he has devoted his priesthood to forming young Catholics, preaching the Faith, and addressing the challenges facing the Church today. Fr. Gerald E. Murray is a priest of the Archdiocese of New York, canon lawyer, author, and widely respected commentator on Catholic doctrine, canon law, and ecclesiastical affairs. Ordained to the priesthood in 1984, he has devoted decades of priestly ministry to the defense and explanation of the Church’s perennial teaching and is one of the most recognizable voices in contemporary Catholic discourse.🔗 LINKS TO RELEVANT DOCUMENTS:Graphic Comparing Dignitatis Humanae to Earlier Encyclicals: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GO27hrK9baeF7Sqa0A9iI59lzjw1Fkg3/viewSSPX Article Announcing the Episcopal Ordinations: https://fsspx.news/en/news/general-house-announces-names-future-bishops-59319Pope St. Paul VI’s comments on Vatican II: https://www.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/it/audiences/1966/documents/hf_p-vi_aud_19660112.htmlEDITING NOTE: To be as fair and impartial as possible, we have included all responses in full. For purposes of greater clarity, some moments have been rearranged. 👍 Like, Subscribe, or Follow The Conor Gallagher Show on your favorite podcast platform, and follow us on social media!https://www.facebook.com/conorgallaghershowhttps://instagram.com/conorgallaghershowhttps://tiktok.com/@conorgallaghershowSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1qtdMK8FqjAQ3ODlFXCEYt?si=ae4598b16c1d4cdeApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-conor-gallagher-show/id1789476722📱TAN Digital: The Catholic App You Can Trust. Browse and listen to over 1,200 spiritual classics.https://tanbooks.com/tan-digital-app/CHAPTERS0:00 - Conor’s Opening Remarks6:25 - Opening Statements16:48 - The Principle of Necessity32:26 - Religious Liberty1:10:13 - Ecumenism1:34:57 - Vatican II as a Pastoral Council1:56:42 - The Crisis in Catholic Fidelity2:14:35 - Other Traditional Communities2:36:11 - On Disobeying the Pope2:50:39 - The 1988 Excommunications2:55:39 - The Lifting of the Excommunications3:02:51 - The Meaning of Schism3:14:04 - Archbishop Lefebvre’s Disavowal of Schism3:21:02 - The Status of the Society Now and in the Future3:40:10 - Order Vs. Jurisdiction3:49:10 - SSPX Bishops as Auxiliary3:57:33 - Closing Statements

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This special four-hour episode confronts one of the most consequential questions facing the Catholic Church today: is the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) on the right side of history? The SSPX’s Fr. Jonathan Loop argues that a continuing crisis in the Church has created a state of necessity that can justify extraordinary measures to preserve Catholic tradition and the priesthood. Fr. Gerald Murray does not think those extraordinary measures are justified and that the SSPX’s misapplication of canon law undermines the Church's divinely established authority.

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