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EPISODE · Jun 29, 2026 · 1H 24M

Starlight Sickness: Gaslighting, Consent Engineering, & How I Got Lost In Ufology's Hall of Mirrors

from Inquiry with Kelly Chase · host Kelly Chase

This episode began as an investigation into Sigmund Freud, Edward Bernays, propaganda, psychoanalysis, and the hidden machinery through which modern perception management came to be. But somewhere along the way, it became something much more personal. In Starlight Sickness, Kelly traces the strange lineage between Freud’s abandonment of the seduction theory, Bernays’s engineering of consent, and the ways power moves harm out of view by relocating it into the minds of the harmed. From the origins of modern public relations to the hall of mirrors inside ufology, this episode asks what happens when the tools we use to interpret reality also become the tools used to obscure it. How do we practice discernment without losing trust in our own perception? How do we make room for complexity without allowing complexity to become fog? And what does accountability look like when the story you were living inside begins to collapse? In light of recent allegations against her former best friend and creative partner Jay Christopher King, Kelly turns the same questions back on herself, beginning the process of untangling what happened, what she believed, what she may have gotten wrong, and what this community is owed now. This is an episode about gaslighting, trauma, consent engineering, ufology, and the terrifying difficulty of finding solid ground in a world built to manage perception. Topics explored: Sigmund Freud | Edward Bernays | propaganda | psychoanalysis | gaslighting | consent engineering | perception management | public relations | the unconscious | repression | seduction theory | the Oedipus complex | Jeffrey Masson | Freud Archives | Emma Eckstein | Wilhelm Fliess | institutional betrayal | therapeutic language | expert authority | trauma | memory | interpretation | accountability | narrative control | invisible government | torches of freedom | United Fruit Company | Guatemala coup | ufology | experiencer communities | anomalous experience | sexual trauma | abduction narratives | vulnerability and power | Jay Christopher King | The Experiencer Group | spiritual abuse | trust and betrayal | epistemic instability | discernment | reality testing | | truth and coherence | symbols and meaning | systems of control | manufactured consent | moral injury | the hall of mirrors Referenced in this Episode: Addressing the Allegations Against My Former Creative Partner, Jay Christopher King Starlight Sickness — Helico Tele Propaganda — Edward Bernays (1928) The Engineering of Consent — Edward Bernays (1947) The Aetiology of Hysteria — Sigmund Freud (1896) The Interpretation of Dreams — Sigmund Freud (1900) Three Essays on the Theory of Sexuality — Sigmund Freud (1905) The Assault on Truth: Freud’s Suppression of the Seduction Theory — Jeffrey Masson (1984) Sigmund Freud and the Jewish Mystical Tradition — David Bakan (1958) Trust Me, I’m Lying: Confessions of a Media Manipulator — Ryan Holiday (2012) I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell — Tucker Max (2006) Support The Show Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.comSubstack: inquirywithkellychase.substack.com Connect with Kelly Website: kellychase.mediaX: @kellychasemediaInstagram: @kellychasemedia TIMESTAMPS 05:27 Propaganda and The True Ruling Power 09:20 Freudian Ick10:58 Jeffrey Masson, Heretic 13:18 Sigmund Freud and The Source of the Nile 17:49 Wilhelm Fliess, A Passionate Friendship 19:55 Emma Eckstein and The Stronger Sex 22:06 A Little Sleight of Hand24:21 The Oedipus Complex and The Nucleus of Neuroses 32:02 The Baby and the Bathwater 33:21 Trust the Experts 34:44 You Can’t Do Anything With This Information 37:54 The Torches of Freedom 40:31 The Coup 43:11 A Koan 48:15 The Abstract Becomes Horrifyingly Personal 52:21 Responding to Jay Christopher King’s Statement 01:01:03 Fall 2023 01:05:21 The Epistemic Black Boxes of Ufology Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode began as an investigation into Sigmund Freud, Edward Bernays, propaganda, psychoanalysis, and the hidden machinery through which modern perception management came to be. But somewhere along the way, it became something much more personal. In Starlight Sickness, Kelly traces the strange lineage between Freud’s abandonment of the seduction theory, Bernays’s engineering of consent, and the ways power moves harm out of view by relocating it into the minds of the harmed. From the origins of modern public relations to the hall of mirrors inside ufology, this episode asks what happens when the tools we use to interpret reality also become the tools used to obscure it. How do we practice discernment without losing trust in our own perception? How do we make room for complexity without allowing complexity to become fog? And what does accountability look like when the story you were living inside begins to collapse? In light of recent allegations against her former best friend and creative partner Jay Christopher King, Kelly turns the same questions back on herself, beginning the process of untangling what happened, what she believed, what she may have gotten wrong, and what this community is owed now. This is an episode about gaslighting, trauma, consent engineering, ufology, and the terrifying difficulty of finding solid ground in a world built to manage perception. Topics explored: Sigmund Freud | Edward Bernays | propaganda | psychoanalysis | gaslighting | consent engineering | perception management | public relations | the unconscious | repression | seduction theory | the Oedipus complex | Jeffrey Masson | Freud Archives | Emma Eckstein | Wilhelm Fliess | institutional betrayal | therapeutic language | expert authority | trauma | memory | interpretation | accountability | narrative control | invisible government | torches of freedom | United Fruit Company | Guatemala coup | ufology | experiencer communities | anomalous experience | sexual trauma | abduction narratives | vulnerability and power | Jay Christopher King | The Experiencer Group | spiritual abuse | trust and betrayal | epistemic instability | discernment | reality testing | | truth and coherence | symbols and meaning | systems of control | manufactured consent | moral injury | the hall of mirrors Referenced in this Episode: Addressing the Allegations Against My Former Creative Partner, Jay Christopher King Starlight Sickness — Helico Tele Propaganda — Edward Bernays (1928) The Engineering of Consent — Edward Bernays (1947) The Aetiology of Hysteria — Sigmund Freud (1896) The Interpretation of Dreams — Sigmund Freud (1900) Three Essays on the Theory of Sexuality — Sigmund Freud (1905) The Assault on Truth: Freud’s Suppression of the Seduction Theory — Jeffrey Masson (1984) Sigmund Freud and the Jewish Mystical Tradition — David Bakan (1958) Trust Me, I’m Lying: Confessions of a Media Manipulator — Ryan Holiday (2012) I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell — Tucker Max (2006) Support The Show Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.comSubstack: inquirywithkellychase.substack.com Connect with Kelly Website: kellychase.mediaX: @kellychasemediaInstagram: @kellychasemedia TIMESTAMPS 05:27 Propaganda and The True Ruling Power 09:20 Freudian Ick10:58 Jeffrey Masson, Heretic 13:18 Sigmund Freud and The Source of the Nile 17:49 Wilhelm Fliess, A Passionate Friendship 19:55 Emma Eckstein and The Stronger Sex 22:06 A Little Sleight of Hand24:21 The Oedipus Complex and The Nucleus of Neuroses 32:02 The Baby and the Bathwater 33:21 Trust the Experts 34:44 You Can’t Do Anything With This Information 37:54 The Torches of Freedom 40:31 The Coup 43:11 A Koan 48:15 The Abstract Becomes Horrifyingly Personal 52:21 Responding to Jay Christopher King’s Statement 01:01:03 Fall 2023 01:05:21 The Epistemic Black Boxes of Ufology Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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