Stephen E. Hanson and Jeffrey S. Kopstein on America as a Family Business

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Francis Fukuyama is joined by Steve Hanson and Jeff Kopstein to discuss why Donald Trump’s regime can be described as “patrimonial,” how this approach leads to high corruption, and why reversing it will pose special challenges.Stephen E. Hanson and Jeffrey . Kopstein are professors of political science at William and Mary College and the University of California, Irvine, respectively.Podcast production by Ringo Harrison.Connect with us!X: @FukuyamaFrancis & @JoinPersuasionYouTube: Frankly Fukuyama & Persuasion This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.persuasion.community/subscribe

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