Steven Joyce: Former National MP says it's in Winston's best interest to work constructively with National during coalition talks

Phone calls and negotiations behind the scenes, as National and ACT look set to form the next Government. With the special votes yet to confirm the make-up of the Beehive, both parties are likely to need New Zealand First in a three-way majority arrangement. Former National MP Steven Joyce, was part of talks in 2017, when Winston Peters eventually sided with Labour and Jacinda Ardern. He says it's a different situation now, as Peters had to choose between two parties, while this time Labour's already conceded. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.