Stop Trying to Lead—Start Building a Team W/ Johnny Torgeson

We talk about leadership nonstop—but most of us are missing the point.In this episode, Dr. Johnny Torgeson cuts through the noise and explains why leadership alone won’t fix burnout, apathy, or broken culture. The answer isn’t more leadership tactics—it’s building real teams.This conversation is raw, honest, and deeply practical. From the “you suck phase” to creating identity and accountability, we break down what actually works (and what doesn’t). If you’re tired of surface-level leadership talk and want something real—you’ll get it here.Chapters00:00Introduction and Guest Introduction03:14The Importance of Data-Driven Leadership06:10The Distinctiveness of Fire Service Leadership08:51Building Teams in the Fire Service11:46The Role of Relationships in Leadership14:59Navigating Team Dynamics and Change Management18:10Occupational Leadership Theory20:54Practical Steps for New Leaders24:06Establishing Non-Negotiables in Team Dynamics36:15Establishing a Work Mindset39:04The Role of Influence in Leadership41:53Building Team Identity and Strengths43:52Heating Up the Environment for Change48:09Authenticity in Leadership52:03Understanding Team Dynamics55:57The Phases of Team Development01:00:53Creating a Cohesive Team Environment#leadership #fire service #team building #team dynamics #leadership development