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That's brilliant. Jesus, I'll do that. What everyone has had an awesome new year. Oh, any upside down?
Sure. Oh, it's Becca's pack and I think he's going to tell himself. But yes, we are here for the Nadi of North podcast. We are going to enjoy this podcast.
And we are talking about the phenomenal, the, I would say probably the culture defining TV show in the last 20 years, so we see. 10. Well, it's been over 10. So, it's been over 10.
Yeah, but it's been over 10. But I can't remember. I know we're probably getting to this. Like, I'm sure that's probably had the, everything that came with it.
Like the buzz, the fans, probably the closest game of the runs. Yeah. Just a bit of that. But there's a lot of season it.
But this is like the first proof of concept for Netflix to be like, are you going to be something that sticks around? Yeah. Yeah. What we did for 10 years.
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But what we won't have is anyone coming for us and tell us our opinions are wrong. Because we can all agree to disagree in fandom. So, let's keep it fun. We keep a kind and keep the toxic behaviour out of her notism.
Very well said there. Very well said. Thank you. So yes.
So. So, yes. Five seasons and we come to the end. So how do you want, how do you guys want to do this?
Because we've all probably watched the, like we all thought they were like a rewatch recently. So, and I use. I'm sat in red, the Wikipedia plot. So, I'm using it today.
And then watch the video, re-capped me season. And I still, I'm like, season, what happened in season one? Like, but. Yeah, like the thing is the last time I did a big watch of this was the last time we did a podcast on this, at the end of season four, I believe.
Which was another sort of end of the year thing when that season had culminated. Which I guess people would dub the Hellfire Club season. Yes. Yeah.
Yeah. But then I just kind of went into five and I was like, I'm just going to accept it and remember what I can remember. I didn't. Because I watched a rewatch at the beginning of the year.
A rewatch in the middle of the year. Watch season five and now he's doing another rewatch. I think so. I mean, he's got too much spare time on his own as well.
How do you watch hundreds of episodes of anime? Like the rest of us have to do. So what's your favorite season, shall we see? We'll start with that as the question.
Oh, for me? Oh, yeah. I would have to say four. It's probably the most eventful.
Right. Okay. Do you? I know what Jix is.
I'm going to know it's one because I think I honestly think one. Could have stood on its own as like a perfect package of a season. Well, that's funny to say that's because it wasn't meant to be the series that we got. It was just going to be an anthology.
So that technically was the plan initially. Yeah. Just to have series one as a compact. That's its own story.
Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense. We've got something else.
That probably explains that like not to see a season two was bad, but it did take a while to find its feet. Yeah. It's that's interesting because it could be that it was like old, like reused ideas and we're like, oh, we have to, we'll try and retrofit some of this. It's strange things because it was a little bit X-Men.
Let's face it. Season two. I like a season two. I like it.
Well, we got Max. We got Bob. Sean Aston. Now we're Paul.
Yeah. I'm not listening. As a fan theory and fans back of the show. That's again, what a lot of people think is the weakest season.
Yeah. I don't call it Callie Suck. Like she wasn't an interesting character. And what she was 11 went through our like goth phase, which I'm starting to realize now that I thought I would come on this and I'd be like, oh, let me hear back and do this like sort of Steve Harrott thing for a cool time.
And now I just look like a living during our goth phase. You really just need the draw from the eye makeup on and you've got the look down perfectly. You know, you know, you did that. Like obviously we watch this as adults.
But I've seen my cousins can't speak this series. Maybe only in like the last few years and stuff. Like say what you will. We probably think it's cheesy, the 11 stuff, but they think the whole like, you know, 11 thing is actually like iconic and fun to do.
That's worse for us. That's just, I guess X-Men, isn't it? Or something. Yeah.
Many psychics. Or they could just do that. Mm. Just be done longer.
That's better. I like the good. I like the good. The Jedi saw the handout as well.
Yeah. There was a lot of different aspects and different things. Like the nose blade was quite a nice touch I think as well. So it was actually every time of years and your palates happened.
Like, like, like the sometime of the fact. Yes. That really lives that reality. On the other hand, it's a good business.
Completely with your mind. Yeah. But yeah, start with the first thing. Like, I think, as somebody said, it is a starting blocks.
This is where they pretty much used all the different references. They went from like Goonies, Stonbimey, E.T. E.T. Fucking, E.T.
Fucking, E.T. E.T. Yeah. Like all the E.T.
E.T. references. And I think this is where like, like, us as fans, especially of a certain age, kind of the nostalgia hit my door. This is interesting.
This is what this is thought in my board. And one thing that was great about this is the kids weren't that annoying. No, that is one thing I remember being like, oh, this is like child actors, but they have enough skill to be scenes on their own. We like the little act to be stuck with that.
It's looking adorable. So tiny. Oh, when you see the cut. The little Mike, and he's in a fair shirt.
Do you want the start of like proper adorable, like Mike and like, he's like daft hair and stuff and Dustin as a kid. It was like, oh my god, what a lovely little kid. Like, he looks a little bit funny, but in a cute way. But then there was, but then there was Will.
And I was just like, oh, this kid. I'm not really stupid bull cut. And it's like, there's a little skinny kid. And he grew up to be like the best looking one.
He just had a huge blow. What mine didn't need. Yeah, like Lucas, my goodness. He's growing up and I'm very handsome young man.
And but Dustin is just a little distant from the first series, because he is absolutely adorable. He's the one that has the it factor that kind of draws you to it as well. Like the sort of kind of like charismatic about. He's a little scream money.
He's just he's brilliant. He's back. He's really teeth as well. He doesn't have his teeth at this point, which is a genuine condition that he has.
And the captain, he's just so cute. Everyone loves that you got on character standing. Don't like the tech boy. Yeah.
I love the fact that they are very intelligent off the bat. Yeah. No, I think. Yeah, exactly that.
And as Lee kind of touched on in a different way, all these characters had such immense growth. Like from season one to the development on each character. There wasn't just all this is one, no, this is one person acting a certain way. All kind of like, those up.
The only person that I probably think didn't have as much, but probably because he didn't needed was Mike. No. And I saw something to do where someone was saying they thought, Mike's literally the whole cast currently. Mike in season five.
And I was like, oh my god, no, this was Mike's series. I think I would have all of them. I feel like this is the time where Mike really was shining. Yeah, it is a bit weird though, because they're not really allowed to move on, because of the way the story's written in that like this town gets like rocked by like a horrible series of events and gets like locked down and it's like, no one in that town can really move on until this is all sorted out.
So like you can't have that much growth. And they didn't leave school. So, you know, not a lot of them got. They got the didn't.
Yeah, they got, they didn't get to like show us what the jobs would be or what anything else they would do. I thought they were going to go down that route at one point. No, yeah, you know what? In the back of my head, I was like, the better not do like a Harry Potter weather CGI.
Like kids when they'll meet at a transition. I mentioned in the chat the other day about them getting jobs and stuff like the con, the con use any of the stuff that they've done over all this time, like fighting monsters and everything. And like, I thought it's like demon man from another dimension. You can't put that on your CV.
I'm only having a right about this work at the ice cream shop with a video stuff. What I'm trying to areas is the fact that when it comes to like season four, they have all these like dealings with bullies and you know, them guys who, you know, certainly fighting a Christian fight. And yeah, before monsters at this point, and they're bothered about people like that. That's so weird.
I mean, I always go, I mean, I'll give it as well. Humans are the worst monsters out there. Oh, I mean, I think I think it gets to that point in season five though. Where Dustin goes to the Eddie's grave.
Yeah. And like, we're getting chipped by the Jackson season four and went to anything about it. We're running scared to put season five. It's like finally, do you know what?
These are just all the kids. Nothing. They're not thinking they are. And it's Lucas being like, because from watching that being watched in series one yesterday and today and Lucas is coming.
He really does have such a strong arc, like all the way through it. It's just he kind of does get a little bit pushed to the background. But I think in season four, he comes out a lot more, especially because he's in that world now. He's in the, you know, the world of being popular or being with these genuine friends.
And he doesn't know where he wants to fit in. And by season five, he's totally known as who he is. I love Lucas's arc through this. Oh, that's great.
I got it weird. No, I found it quite relatable because I don't know if he's aware of this. I used to be a bit of a jock back and I can either. You never said this to be a bit of a sportsman.
But yeah, going from like, not having a group of friends like that, where you've got like a day in day love, like for me, it was comics, movies and stuff. I'm trying to not to hide it. We have a put that to one side, trying to fit in with the other crowds, where like we were going to football matches and there would be Ray of Plinn on this team bus and I'm just sitting there going, please kill me now. Oh, God.
Going like on a Friday night, people like the football team were going, I'm going to meet in back. I was parked out a few bottles of white lightning. I'm like, Oh, no, I'm going to see free willy out of cinema. Because it was not the time I had BTSB free ticket.
So I was going to the pictures. So it's like trying to blend in, but also trying to keep you and I totally saw that with Lucas. I kind of like dial them away. He's like, I want to still be friends with here, but I need to progress myself as well.
I feel like I need this because this is the norm. This is where I should be. But really, I want to be over here. And it's probably no different from anything really, especially like from, you know, myself in the early 20s when I'm like getting heavy music.
And even though I'm in a group of people who are incredibly outcasted, it's still, they don't want to see the side where I'm like, well, I really fucking like horse-whisters. Like, that's not cool. And then you're trying to hide that aspect of it. And then when nerd culture becomes a little bit more acceptable around about 2013, 2014, you're like, I forgot how to get out of my horse-whisters.
I think I'm just making stuff up in the head of that makes us feel weird about it though. So Lucas is just like this like nerdy kid that plays D&D with these mates. And I just imagine these jocks have just went, oh, hey, a black kid, I bet he can play basketball. And I just see, do you know, is it always sunny?
Yeah. Where the basketball team's been one of the pick of the black kids. Yeah. I feel like that's what's happened.
Yeah. Maybe. Porculating and stereotyping racism happens. Yeah.
It is like, it's like, oh, the black kid playing basketball. Like, could they also want to do that? Or could they give them the kid the big head? Like, they have a kid the big head style as well.
Well, yeah. Or the hairstyle. His hair revolves, and he kind of looks like the, he kind of looks like sort of kids from, like, old cartoons. He looks touched on season 5.
Didn't his dad cut his hair in the first few seasons to get it like that? He's like, when kids used to get the hair cut at home. I love that if they do. Because I know he's terrible.
Yeah, I was just going to say that clearly explains Will that poor kid. Oh, God. Listen, he's such a little sweetheart in the first series. I've never been to get to see him a lot in his butt.
Yeah. Will was definitely like a massively loving hit character for me. Because obviously in the first season, you're like, oh, no, he's like a lost child. Like, you know, you don't really have many opinions of him other than like, I hope to see him sort of like, and then in season 2, he spends the entire series screaming at the top of his lungs.
Yeah. I love, I love him in season 2. Just really, I'll be good. All the time.
But I think that's like throughout Will's arc, he's always being the lost child. He was physically lost and then he was like mentally lost later on. And then he kind of like finds himself at the end, which obviously really helps his character. So if you look at it from start to finish, there's no disjointness when it comes to Will and you know, getting to where he is at season 5.
Yeah. And every time it arcs as well, like what I think this show is quite unique with. It doesn't just focus on the main characters and give them the arcs. Like literally everyone in this.
Oh, everyone else. Like, if you go from Saved, like Hopper. I was going to say like, I much prefer like Hopper and all the kids, like whenever they're on screen. That's kind of what I'm there for.
Yeah. I have a bit of a controversial take. I'm not really that bothered about Elle. I wasn't really like when it comes down to, you know, focus on a character, like enjoy watching throughout the series.
She was not one that I was ever. It was a decision. Yeah. I think the decision in like the cap of vocabulary early on was pretty stupid for a long run in show because when she's like friends don't lie, like throughout the entire like that's pretty much all I'm just like, okay.
But it doesn't change. Even if season 5, it doesn't, the way she speaks doesn't change. Yeah. Yeah.
And you think as for a progression move, she really should be more fluent. What I don't appreciate though is the mass amount of people who have come out online and having a go at her about friggin the way she looks now. She is 21 years old. She is going to change regardless.
However, that has been done surgically or non surgically. She looks, she for me, she looked absolutely stunning and breathtaking in them's scenes. Yeah. And I cannot stand the internet when it comes down to stuff like this.
It's a bit of a meta thing. Like, like I sometimes think of myself, I don't think stranger things should have the kind of fandom it ended up with like the people trying to do the theories and stuff. I don't think it's that type of show. The show everything on screen and then not hiding a lot of secrets.
Like, you know. Exactly. But it was also created for a generation who used their imagination and lead their phones to try and figure out what the next moving point was going to be. You would just watch stuff.
But like, to that fandom, then basically catapulted these children into like obsessive like super stardom levels. And I really don't think those kids should have been there. Like, I don't like, like it's not like they're like celebrity children, you know, because most people are like, you know, relatives of somebody, like the big actors. And I just think it was like crazy to propel these actual children in.
I think I think it was a gospel service grid. Yeah. Well, he was like, I want to watch the Northern Homes because I believe Bobby Brown's in it. I wouldn't exactly say like I am her biggest fan on for like her on screen work, but I am definitely a fan of her as many Bobby Brown.
And I hated the fact that the internet went so hard on her appearance. She has 21. But that's the thing we're in now. It's got to a stage where I think we've discussed this many a time, especially like we say all the stuff that comes out with like our favorite actors are twats or our favorite sportsmen are like really people like you don't want to be a starter.
Where back in the day, you only had well given what the PR companies would show. So, um, little Paul Lovetil coke. It's the age we are living in the information, which again, and it's like going back to the episode of We Don't With Jane and Silent Bob. It's like everyone's got an opinion and everyone uses the internet to voice that opinion.
If it's right or wrongly, but there has to be a line that has to be something where you see it. This is where we like just I know it sounds like all fashion common decency and just a bit of respect that goes out of the window at times. The internet have given people like a chance to hide behind something and type things that think, oh, this is a bit risky. Oh, this is my push buttons.
And then, like, I know we're quite lucky to watch what, like the trolls and all that, right? It's a really big touch. We haven't really been touched by it, but I was telling Paul earlier, and like I'm starting to get back into comic books this year, and my algorithm on TikTok has hit the comic book section. And conversations that will happen in nearly 10 years ago are still going on today, misogyny that has happened within the comic book industry.
And I was like, oh my god, I thought I left this behind in like 2016. How is this still going on today? It's a super annoying thing about nerds to have incredibly circular conversations forever. Like every song.
Yeah, it's gonna happen with this. Yeah, it will. Because right now, like, there's a big portion of people saying, season five was a flop, like on the level of Game of Thrones. I'm kind of somewhere in the middle, like, Stranger Things isn't my favorite thing in the entire world, but I don't think it was like actively bad at any point, really.
I'm gonna get the sound of the way I'm with while my head is still intact. This season had, it was never on the same part as season eight of Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones, the two writers were given an option to space out their series because they had more of a story to tell. They ended up getting the deal that was bigger than what they had got with Game of Thrones and went north, we'll just finish it off, don't end up just, it's gone.
And that is what you got with season eight of Game of Thrones. The Duffer Brothers had a plan and they went from point A to point B, whether you like it or not, that is the story that they were always going to tell. Game of Thrones on the other hand, had two- Once the slot, once the stop the anthode idea. It was very early phases.
I mean, the whole series was actually called Muntok. I've seen the trailer for that, it was at least last year, I think. I think it's got something you should not have. Yeah, the Duffer Brothers have had to go on damage control now because people were like, where were the demo gorgons?
In the last scene, that's what they explained to themselves. It's a follow-up, they're like, there was somewhere, they just weren't there. It's the whole effect that the internet needed to spell out for them, like Nancy and what's it for? Johnathan Thunberg, that was probably one of the most adult conversations that has ever taken place in that series.
That clearly said, we are no longer suitable for either of us. Maybe we should move on and they're like, have they broke up? Have they not, they're fucking broke up? They're like, I'm marrying you.
Yeah, no, I thought that was quite sweet. I thought, it's a two people I realized are not meant to be together. Like I said, they're only there together because of the drama. I was like, how many people do stick with a drama and stuff like that?
But again, when you think about- What's that scene with the implants together and the future and stuff? And I think those two things together just make that even nicer. I didn't have- No, it was in a cumb room. Oh, you, I thought it would be me.
I thought it would be me. No, you had a lot of toys actually. Why did they do that? It was my end to forming art.
Why couldn't they pick a different color? I mean, I did make jokes on that when it was on. I think I said the best, like, I bet Bonnie Blue just fought in that room or something like that. No, no, no, no.
Do you know what though? Do you know what though? Like, I get the jolks in the home. You just don't need to take it to the internet and for everyone else to see.
And Nancy Wheeler though, I never really had an opinion. I took the first arc. I was like, I just, I can't be digging with this person. It wasn't until the end series.
I was like, oh my God, I get it. I get it. I also get her name as well and her look. Oh, I was like Nancy.
So. Oh, you're cutting that one with the dummy. Yeah, you could have a little bit of something. Sorry.
I know it's just it said my net was unstable. So you think again? Who's your thing? Say it again.
Oh, no, did you? Nancy Wheeler. It's a gorny weaver. Ah, OK.
I'm getting ill and it revives from that. But I'm getting there. Everyone was going, oh, like, I'm getting put on Rambo vibes. And everyone's like, do we fail?
Oh, yeah. When she had the thing, shotgun running towards it. And she's like, I'll be the beat. I was like, that's Rambo.
That's the way I could have been to be. We ranked with this though, because it did pop up that man. That was a bit unstable. This is what happens when you make works properly.
I don't know. No consequences of it. I thought Nancy was like a proper star, like throughout most of this, to be honest. I know like in the first season, she was playing more of like the horror sort of final girl trope thing.
But in this last like, one should became like action hero. I was like, hell yeah. But like, yeah, I'm sorry, gon' do. No, I was just going to say, there was a lot of fans were like, how did she learn to fire a gun?
And I'm like, she's been hanging out with Hopper for like, like, you know, like. Go watch the first, go watch the first, go watch the first series like I have. And she doesn't know what she's doing, but she takes her time. And she learns what she's doing.
And says she was the head of the NRA by the end of it. So that's going to be her job. And she really loves that. She really loves her guns.
And but no, watch her again in season one. I'm like, okay, I'm starting to get it. Because come season four, it was the busy bodiness in her that I really didn't like. Like, who are you to be making these decisions?
And it's like, well, she didn't. Nobody else was going to. Oh, she was clearly the best one at making a plan. Yes, sure.
It actually went ahead. Yeah. Yeah. What did you think of Bob?
Today, one thing she was going to come back. Today, one thing she was going to come back. Okay. No.
Just keep talking. Just I think it might be my connection. That's a problem. Oh, okay.
So I'm just trying to fix it. So don't worry. I think we've gone off. Other life.
My life chat's gone. Oh, yeah. I'm going to see if it's given a bit now. Two seconds.
Oh, no. Oh, no. Do you upside down? Gonna.
Yeah, all the lights are like. Shut up, man. I'm not too sure what's happening. That's fine.
Don't worry. I'll just press record. So I keep going to worst case scenario. We have loaded afterwards.
Yeah. What did you, I really thought the lights flicker in thing was a really good use of like horror because it could be like any moment in any scene and stuff starts like flicker in on and off. You're like, oh, something, something shit's going to go down. I feel like a video game.
You know, in that video game is when they, when the music changes. When the music changes. The music changes to match that. And then as soon as the enemy or the threat has gone, the music changes back to a different score.
Yeah. That's, yeah, I play a lot of horror video games. So like the intensity of that music is and that's what it felt like a video game. Yeah.
Yeah. Are we good? Are you okay? Is that enough?
Just keep talking. I'm trying to fix it. I'll go. So they're not okay.
And so no, I did not, no, I did not think Bob was going to come back. But I did have high hopes that Eddie would have had something because it took me until the end of season five to realize. And I think it was Steve Harrington who helped me. Eddie's death was absolutely pointless.
It was absolutely. You walked it back though. Yeah. He didn't see of anyone because they would have been saved regardless.
He didn't, he basically did it out of selfish reasons because he wanted to be a brave man. Yeah. And it didn't progress any further than, yes, Dustin got a bit of a character change. But other than that, it didn't really make any difference.
It's kind of pointless. I guess it's tough when he can't tell the story of why he did it. But he was always like a character that seemed like he wasn't that interested in, like, you know, living much longer past his like 20s 30s because he was like into like all the drugs and just like, you know, like rock and roll everything. I did not know it was Johnny Stone at that stage.
He was a kid from an episode in Game of Thrones that just, you know, was a throwaway character. He was in it for two seconds. Oh, I thought he remembered. He's literally, he's a guard.
When Aria Stark comes to Winterfell, he tries to stop at any good. He does not, it's his accent, fuck off you. Yeah, he literally has my heart and soul from that series. The end with Master of Puppets was the fact he played it himself.
Like, I love the fact the conversations that people are having around that. Like, what's the song? He's got what song is he going to play? I think I'd already had it spoiled that.
What it was going to be. I didn't get the reveal. No, that was actually the good discussion. Sure, everything should be working again.
I don't know what's happened. I think it's cool. Okay. Apparently, all you was working fine, it's just a video, but I started recording a few minutes ago.
So if anything happens, I can do some interwebs lacing and stuff. Let's get you back into it Paul. What do you think of Eddie? I love the character.
I, as I said, I disagree with, well, not disagree with the death being pointless, but I think you needed someone to bring on Dustin. Because I think Dustin, as I said, with the relationship he had with Steve, was always great. Yeah. But you needed Dustin to kind of find himself, because if he's just friends with Steve, Dustin's always going to be a follower.
Yeah. Wouldn't it have been worth it in the bigger payoff if it was Steve? Even though I would have been absolutely heartbroken because Steve Parangen is my favorite character in the entire series, but wouldn't have been a bigger payoff if that did come from Steve. However, you wouldn't have yet the attitude from Dustin in season five, as much as you could tell he was in a lot of pain.
It still brought Eddie brought him a little bit more confidence. Yeah. Too much confidence. So much.
Yeah, too much. But the fact that at the end, when he did the flip the bird, it did exactly what Eddie said he was going to do. And the reveal of the Hellfire lives, T-shirt, like, is I am literally coming from a crowd just like, I cried. You've seen people like, I've been, because you suddenly have these Hellfire lives, and the second one is Hell lives.
Oh, no. Oh, no. That's what I was saying earlier. That's what I was saying earlier.
You know, the generation who wrote, he wrote, they wrote this for, and who they came from. It's up to you. What do you think actually happened to? What do you think happened to these characters at the end?
Make it all mind up. It doesn't need to be fucking spelled out for you. I mean, this is what happened. And I finally got submitted.
I guess this is my way of thinking, as I've said, from episode one of this podcast, it's left up to the audience's imagination. I don't think it is though, because like, they literally show it on screen, and I'm like, I know Stranger Things, they showed it on screen. I don't agree with that. I think that's just a visual point to you.
It's a visual point of storytelling, and this is what Mike truly believes. So therefore, you know, it's up to you. Do you believe that that's the case on us? Yeah.
Think about what it is to me off, for what you want. Right. So is L alive or is she dead? I don't give a fuck, because there's already enough mysteries in the world.
Like, what happened to Madeleine McCann? Who shot GFC? Just all of these horrible things that actually exist in real life that we don't know the answers to that are more important. But the creators of a show won't tell us if someone's fucking alive at the end of the show or not, and they go, ah, you would decide.
And they just fucking tell us. Me, Lee. Lee feels better, by the way, everyone. Lee, ask me a question.
Who hurts? No, no, I'm just a simple question. Do you believe Lee? What about L?
Do you believe? No. Like, the exiles, do you believe? I mean, I believe in aliens.
I believe in exiles, the exiles, the exiles, the ones that were at. That's what I thought I was telling you. No, no, that's the end of the stage of things. It says, I believe all the months of the question I believe.
Yeah. Oh my God, why do I never pick up a bunch of it like this? No. I did look, I loved the end, didn't I?
I didn't give a fuck about that. Like, I did. I just like the fact that it's not an offer interpretation. You think for yourself?
No. Did you try the one with me? The shortest, just like that. I was laughing at all.
You can clearly see the age gap so you're like the four of us. I just don't trust them to put anything subtle in this show. I was laughing at me head off because I got a text message off, I think a message off Lee saying, yo, you're going to love the end and to the stage of things. It's just like Lord the Rings.
It's got 17 million endings. It really did. I think it was not you. I think Chris has mentioned something.
I said something. I haven't loved the Rings, Edens. Yeah. I was like, oh, you twats.
You have to bring it back there. Oh, it's lovely. And Sarah has joined us in the chat as well. Oh, yeah.
Oh, hello. But I loved the actual ending in the basement. Like, that was the point that nearly got me. I didn't cry, but when they were all put in the little character, she'd be like, yeah, that was actually.
I was born from the second dusty, took that stage right up until the end. I was just in hysterics. So all over it. So we're talking a lot of the positives.
Now, I'm not going to slag the thing off. But things I found a little bit frustrating is the introduced, some amazing characters. And they kind of just disappeared. Like, what happened to Susie?
They broke up. Right, OK. But Susie, is that the one? That's Distant's girlfriend who was literally a bit of a thing.
Oh, right. Yeah, because she lived in a different state, didn't you? She might as well have lived in a different country the way I went on. Yeah, Susie was born and I would.
Oh, I hated our guy. I'll get him. I love our guy. Try before you deny.
Our guy was just a funny plot boy in like in season four. And he didn't really. Yeah, you don't get into Hawkins. If that's the case, don't leave them somewhere.
Don't get them all the way to Hawkins. No, they listen to people like me. And like, get rid of this guy. I wasn't bothered to argue.
You've only been in one of the gaps in the world. I wasn't too bothered to argue. You can see him falling into the split of the clock. And the guy.
And Dr. Sam as well, the Paul Reiser character. I was wondering this earlier because I was like, did he die? Because he was in the bunker in season four when the army came forward when he went to the pop-up officially dies.
I thought I was going to do this. I don't know what else. Did he talk to me? How many years to realize that was Matthew Maude?
Yeah, he's horrible. I hear that. Who's this? Brenner.
We got Dr. Sam the Paul Reiser character. Paul Reiser. He's the one I went in.
Do you know what I'm talking about you from Alien? I don't know. No. Honestly, I think he was in that bunker and he was just still there.
Still there. He didn't get me. No. No.
Don't want to get me. Oh, but I thought it was Dr. Owen for some reason. Because as Jake got excited for, for a sure to go back and write it's wrong of like, say, of Kali and given her a thing, send off, which I thought was quite well done.
Because there was so many like left-o'ed questions when you go back to season four. How one, which was better than that, destroyed basically all the other special kids, but she's still out there. I know the don't explain how she is here, how she left. But the fact that they give us like the things that okay, if she was she, she's not out in the world anymore.
This is the reason. This is the rationale. That was one character I did not give two shits about. In season two, I like to add in the last one.
I liked her in season two because she was kind of like, oh, what if L was a bit more well adjusted to the world and had some personality. But then in season five, the BSc took all the personality away. And like whether or not it was like for the trauma and what happened, I didn't really say it. But I was like, it's a bit of a shame that sort of made her like, you know, extremely serious and like wide-eyed the entire time.
Yeah. But I did like the extra dimension of like visual tricks because L didn't do that. But Vekna did and it was kind of like, had both on each side where I was like, you didn't really know with what you were seeing was true the whole time. Like, I had to like question.
And Charlie's just said in the chat, I didn't trust her at all, which I was going to bring up as well. So up until like that last episode all whenever it was, I honestly thought like, oh, she's going to betray her. Like she said, that's the only upside down. And I was convinced she was going to use her powers to make 11 see herself there.
Like she did with the laboratory when they came in. And it was like, she's going to just leave 11 and the upside down to die by herself. I'll just have to kill her. I just kept saying to myself, how about don't trust the girl?
Kill her now. And then she needs to get out of the story. I mean, she was right. Hopper was a psychological mess of a man, like no matter at the start, all the end of the series.
It was too desperate. Like everything was so desperate. But I liked that about him. I like him.
I love that he was already a bloke himself up early on as well. Like I was thinking that was going to be like the first season break. It was going to be like the death of Hopper or something. My problem was just what was infuriating about it was the lack of communication.
If they just spoke to each of the about their plans, because one had one plan, the other had another plan. And neither one of them were actually talking to each other. And yeah, it was that was the infuriating part. But I loved the desperation in Hopper throughout the whole.
Like anytime when it came to her, it was always about keeping her safe. And even if it was from like a selfish point of view, because of what happened with him in his daughter, it was still a big drive and force with the relationship he had with Elle. I love this. It's pretty realistic, though.
Yeah, I agree. Like teenage is going to be like, I think that I know best. Yeah. Then the parents always just like to be like that.
You're like that now. Just listen to the botanitors. If Lee ever goes quite for a few months, he's just training himself on an obstacle course. Instead of dealing with his mental issues.
Yeah. Just laughing now. Can you talk about the big badge? We're kind of in a second, but I just want to go on to like a little point, because you brought it up and I thought it was really quite an opinion part in the show as well.
And it was certainly done. It was the whole because Jim's basically trading JNOL like his daughter. Like the fact that when Elle talks to him and says, look, I'm not your daughter. And again, it's a very grown up conversation.
It must have been heart wrenching, but also doing it well. And taking off the band and giving it back. And it's like, I'm not this person who you want me to be. I am me.
I'm going to make my own decision. You have to trust me to make the right decision. And it's like, I thought that was like so well done and so like suddenly done as well, because that could have been like grown out or made to be like, something that kind of wasn't. But again, it's like Elle growing up and kind of.