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Success: It's Not Who, It's How You Build Your Team | Ep. 56 | The Science of Leadership

from The Science of Leadership · host Tom Collins

In this episode of The Science of Leadership, host Tom Collins is joined by Dutch organizational change expert Jurriaan Kamer, co-author of unblock and Formula X. Jurriaan challenges the conventional wisdom that an organization's success depends on having the "right people on the bus". Instead, he argues that the key to building high-performing, thriving teams is a leader's focus on how the team works together.   Jurriaan explains that while individual talent is important, it is not a complete picture. He has found that great teams spend time making explicit agreements about crucial aspects of their collaboration. These agreements include: How success is defined   Roles and accountabilities   Decision-making processes   How feedback is given and received   Without these clear guidelines, teams—regardless of individual talent—will underperform. He shares a powerful story of a high-performing leadership team at a bank that was underperforming because members were quick to blame other departments for failures. By intentionally facilitating a conversation about how they worked together and creating a team charter, the team was able to overcome its biggest obstacles and achieve its goals.     Drawing on scientific evidence, Jurriaan cites a well-known Google study that found a team's effectiveness was not determined by the number of top performers or average intelligence, but by factors like psychological safety, social sensitivity, and conversational turn-taking. The conversation concludes with actionable advice for leaders, including shifting from a "traffic cop" mentality to a "road designer" mentality, and building the organizational muscle to constantly reflect, experiment, and improve.     To learn more about Jurriaan's work, visit his LinkedIn page or check out his book, unblock, on Amazon.   Also, I am excited to announce the release of my new book, "The Four Stars of Leadership," a culmination of over three years of dedicated work, and I'm confident it will be an immensely interesting and helpful guide on your journey to becoming a better leader. Don't miss out on this essential resource—order your copy today at Amazon or Barnes & Nobles and share your thoughts with me! To learn more about the Science of Leadership, visit https://www.fourstarleaders.com/ Key References Google. (2016). What Google learned from its quest to build the perfect team [Project Aristotle research summary]. The New York Times Magazine. In re:Work from Google: Understand team effectiveness. Retrieved from Google re:Work website. Kamer, J. (2024). Unblock: Clear the Way for Results and Develop a Thriving Organization. Kajurria Publishing.

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