Right now for a limited time everyone's part of the Buick team even you Buick's Employee Pricing for you event is on now get a purchase credit of up to $3,168 on a 2026 Buick Envision Surround yourself with signature Buick refinement from an available massaging driver seat to an expansive panoramic moonroof and a stunning Ultra wide 30-inch diagonal screen don't miss Buick's employee pricing for you event visit Buick.ca for more details It's the crime in our podcast We examine cases to decide if we believe the outcome of the legal proceedings was fair and justice was met We always love and appreciate feedback for the purposes of creating discussion and we also want to hopefully help bring some closure To these more heart-wrenching crimes. Please feel free to comment or inquire with us and create a discussion We are also a totally organically grown podcast We have a patreon page merchandise with our logos and a Facebook page Which we encourage all our listeners to check out to participate in these discussion boards Because that's the best way we grow and network with our friends and listeners in this room community Due to the graphic nature of some of the topics we will be touching on listener discretion is advised Good evening ladies and gentlemen welcome back to our latest installment of I for an eye I am your host Matt. I'm here with my lovely co-host This is Jules and Lisa with them those two say hello hello everyone today We're gonna talk about a very interesting case the case of race Malaine Jules would you like to tell us a little bit about great? Yeah, so I first heard about this case from Lisa because as we've talked about before Lisa's tiktok is possessed it needs to be Saged she is our go-to resource for dark tiktok So we I heard about this case from tiktok and I was like this is bonkers and we need to like talk more about it It's out again detail.
Yeah, this is crazy. And so let's put a little warning ahead of this one This is yeah, this is like everything you hear and think about when you talk, you know think about your crime So anyway, let's get started Grace Emmy Rose Malaine is the victim here that we'll be talking about and she was born on December 2nd 1996 she was just like freshly out of college a little babe when she passes away and so in a lot of the different articles and things It's it's said that she's 21 or 22 So as I mentioned grace was born December 2nd and all of these crimes took place the night of December 1st into the second So her time of death is hard to determine so it's not sure obviously if she died while she was still 21 or as she turned 22 Grace and her family are from Essex Which is a town about 30 miles outside of London and Grace's dad described her as lovely outgoing and family oriented I thought that was important to include because obviously Grace's parents were devastated by what happened and I don't know I just I thought it was sentimental Peace to include there. So like I mentioned Grace recently graduated from college and she was on a backpacking trip and her trip had taken her to New Zealand So that's where we are at the time of the crime Grace was scheduled to be in New Zealand for two weeks starting on November 20th of 2018 sources say so far the trip was pretty ordinary nothing eventful so college grad exploring and having fun It obviously did not continue to be an ordinary uneventful trip So I'm going to talk more about the crime that happened here And you know like we said at the top of the episode This is crazy and what's crazy about it the tiktok that Lisa sent which we will post to our social media Show so much of what happened and that to me that's crazy Grace and Elaine was last seen on December 1st 2018 at 941 p.m As she was entering the city life hotel with Jesse Kempson Some of the details that I'm gonna go into in terms of the timeline were taken from a really great podcast called Red-handed and they did an episode a fantastic episode on Grace and Elaine and they talk a lot about The rough sex defense and we'll get to that they talk about how that's garbage and they have great accents. So go check out red-handed That's important.
Honestly, I love people We were talking about audio books. I love listening to you know people's accents Red-handed they have a great episode about Grace and Elaine. So go ahead and check that out as well We're gonna jump back now So we talked about the last time Grace was seen alive December 1st at 941 p.m Now we're earlier on in the day on December 1st and Grace had checked into her hospital And I just want to know here to talk about hospitals because I think it's such a weird and cool concept I've stayed in multiple hospitals when I was in Europe right after college like traveling and like doing exactly what Grace was doing And there's to me. I just think such a cool, but also really weird concept Because you don't know who you're going to end up with and you know, I don't know It's just crazy and I think especially as might be the coolest person you've ever met or might be Jesse Kempson Right and so like especially as a woman a solo traveler I think it's really brave and also really scary to think about While Grace was there she was on Tinder and she had magic Jesse And so that's how they ended up getting connected in the first place Can we just say though like we were talking about uber in another episode we recently released okay We also are now talking about a social media dating app similar concept to a hostel right like you are you're taking the risk that you're going in there Not knowing full well who you're gonna be with Yeah, I mean you have to trust you're not getting catfish I've never done any of the dating apps thankfully because I think like you said not you like You don't know when you have to pull out a trust in humanity.
No, I don't have that Yeah, definitely so grace Matt Matt's with Jesse and they plan to go on a date that's a night So keep in mind as we go through all this at Grace's birthday December 2nd because that is actually how Grace's parents were alerted to the fact that something was going on so they were worried when Grace didn't respond to Birthday messages especially because she had kept in such close communication throughout the rest of her trip So like since her family's from the UK like you know I'm thinking about like when I was in Europe I was like the time zones are you know like it was my phone even gonna work But Grace was in very close communication with her family throughout the trip and on her birthday to you think she would be expecting Right, maybe you don't get to all the messages right away But eventually like you will respond and she didn't right so around six o'clock that night Grace leaves her hostel up to meet up with Jesse They the two meet they go bar hopping just doing like fun date things again Nothing out of the ordinary nothing out of the info and so much of this is on CCTV Which blows my mind and we'll talk about later during the date Grace was texting her friend talking about how great things were going She you know had nothing but good bad She's having a good time enjoying herself Grace couldn't have known was that at one of the bars when she got up to go to the bathroom Jesse grabbed her bag and went through all of her things like she couldn't have known that but to me that like when I heard that detail I got a chill up my spine Especially so let me just met you're like you're like and it's funny cuz they caught that on camera And we know it after the fact that he's creepy exactly we know it now There's no way Grace could have ever known obviously not really doing it here at all But I'm saying with the hindsight that we know that it makes it even creepier But I said so much of this case is constructed the timeline you know all comes from CCTV They have timestamps they have different bars that they're at because like I said they were bar hopping It's just crazy to me because I think that that's something like I don't understand about the United States Like why do we not have better CCTV CCTV footage? Why can't that be used the way that it is in other countries around the world and I'm sure there's a reason? I just don't know but I think it's great So like I said we do have a tic-tac that shows a lot of the CCTV footage I'm for choice not of the date You know or anything like that while they were out at the bars But it's honestly like the craziest part of this case in my opinion the evening ends and you know They decided that they're gonna go back to Jesse's place. They were holding hands his arm was on her shoulder Grace Does you know she does look like she's unwilling which is fine?
You have a nice date you know like connected with the guy who want to go home with him That's your choice as a grown woman and again obviously not addictive laning at all here because more power to right grace Would have never known like Jesse was a great guy Otherwise she would have been you know girls can find many excuses to leave so She didn't she was seemingly having a good time And this is the part that's on the tic-tac so you can see it as well So I just want to go back and like address the timeline here to make sure that We include some of this because it's bonkers What kind of comes next like I mentioned at the top of the episode 941 is when we see Grace and Jesse and he entered the city life hotel And so yes It's a hotel, but Jesse says that he lives there, which is confusing and weird, but so is Jesse So don't think too much into that. It's a city like hotel 941 PM out 1 41 AM Jesse's computer is later searched and we find out that he's watching porn at 741 AM Jesse also conducted the following Google searches guys right Large bags near me rigor mortis duffel bags with wheels car higher meaning like almost like an uber I guess essentially or like you know a rental car industrial strength cleaner and this is the craziest one I've listened to it many times to make sure I was catching it right flesh eating birds Hmm that's cool. He's Google searching at 741 Yeah, animal flesh eating bird. She's getting her.
Yeah, right and that was a detail Like I mentioned that I heard on red-handed podcast and because they have so beautiful accents I listen to it multiple times because I thought they were saying bugs and I was like no They're definitely saying birds, which is just bonkers So this is 741 on December 2nd at this point in time You know, we're not aware of anything that has gone on But these are definitely some like crazy Google searches that like I said They find out later when they have Jesse's computer So the next morning Jesse leaves his apartment alone he goes out buys a suitcase and cleaning supplies and this like I said This is still on the TikTok. It's absolutely bonkers and Lisa you like the way he carries himself with No remorse concerned regard like he's just like going about his daily activities. It's so creepy. It's so creepy He honestly looks like he's checking in out of a hotel.
Right. He's just like the everyday person you never That's a sassy bad I'm like this is still in the next morning scene on camera Jesse then wheels a suitcase out of his apartment cleans his car and takes in some joint cleaning, you know Like I said not showing any remorse not showing any regard for the acts that he committed the night before On December 5th was when Grace was finally reported missing and police began investigating He's like I said Grace's family was alarmed when they hadn't heard from her But again, she's a young girl. She's on vacation. Essentially, you know, she's exploring.
I can understand the okay Well, you know, it's weird that we haven't heard from her But we gotta get her time, you know, whatever the case may be December 5th is when she's reported missing and the police began investigating On that same day Jesse comments on one of Grace's Facebook photos beautiful very radiant and so it's creepy It's so creepy But it's speculated that just made that comment to appear like he didn't know Grace was missing Right, so like he went on a date with this girl and now I'm going to comment on her Facebook picture Just to kind of like keep the relationship alive, you know, whatever reminds me of like when Killer shot to like the funeral, right? They try and inject themselves somewhere Right, like I said, I think it's his way to act as if he thinks everything's normal But I completely backfired and the comment actually made Jesse a person of interest I don't think he was like a suspect at that point in time, but definitely someone like hey Tell us, you know more about your relationship with Grace. How do you know her when did you see her last? So that happens on December 6th, Jesse meets with the police where he admits to see in Grace on the first He says they went on a date but claims that they part of ways at 8 p.m.
But and my comment underneath that is what an idiot All of this is captured on CCTV. I don't get it You're on camera bitch 941 you're entering your apartment your hotel whatever whatever and we have that on video So how do you think you're going to tell the police that you part of ways with her 8 a.m. Excuse me Maybe he thought they wanted to get you further into it. I don't know That wasn't the smartest cookie in the jar.
No, absolutely not So Grace's body wasn't found until December 8th and the body was confirmed to be found in the previously mentioned suitcase Which is in the tiktok, which is yes, so was that in a river or where? So it was in like a mountain range that he broke her body off to but yeah, like Lisa said This is the suitcase that we see him will out of the elevator in this tiktok meaning she is in that suitcase in the video So on December 8th, Jesse speaks to the police again giving a different story than what he originally said So he admits that he and Grace did not part ways and told the police that Grace came back with him to his place where they had consensual sex Again, that you know if that's what they want to do absolutely that's fine. They had a date it went well, you know Whatever, right. Um, Jesse went on to claim that Grace had mentioned her fascination with the movie Fifty Shades of Grey, which is just like so dumb and I hope That just I hope that Grace didn't even mention that and that Jesse's just that much of like a cliche Like come on But so Jesse's claim using that to claim that Grace said that she wanted to have rough sex He says he did not want to but he did anyway He stated that the rough sex included biting and hitting after they had sex He took a shower and fell asleep in the shower quicker.
He's a hand. Does that happen to anyone here? Have you fallen asleep in the shower? It's happened to one person.
I know who happens to live in this house with you That's not a question No, I have gone. This is weird But I have gone in the shower specifically to take a nap with the shower running But I've not fallen asleep in the after thing you're showering in the after thing you're showering in the after thing you're showering in the after I don't think I've ever fallen asleep in the body of water or in a shower I genuinely have done this at my old job. I would go to our gym in our shower and take a nap It was just like a warm blanket. I don't know what's the best ever.
I don't know. It sounds awesome I mean but it wasn't like I wasn't like taking a shower than fell asleep. I like actively went in there specifically to sleep Okay, she's also weird as well. I wasn't gonna say anything Did they know about this you're like yeah, I gotta duck out for a phone call right?
That was so much. So anyway, this is Jesse's story. He took a shower and fell asleep in the shower. When he got out with the shower, Grace was gone.
So he went to sleep. OK. Again, in a typical dating scenario, that doesn't have to be an issue. They went on a date.
They came home and had sex. And Grace was just like, oh, peace and all. This is what? Josh.
That's when you're in Europe, man. Right. Have fun. Again, no judgment if that were the case.
Obviously, it was not. So when he woke up the next morning, Jesse noticed that Grace was next to his bed. She was at that time no longer alive. To me.
This is his testimony. I'm saying that. I'm like, yeah, this is all right. This is all the story.
She followed head to her head. Well, but it's like, I don't know. I guess I had somebody who's very into true crime and as a woman, I'm very hyper aware of things. So you're trying to tell me that you've gotten into bed and did not notice the body line, unfortunately.
That too. Right. Right. Like, come on.
Nothing got weird to you, bro. Yeah. I have some questions. Well, then.
So then you got to plug in his phone or anything? And that's the dad girl? Right. I don't know.
Or just incense it. That's what I'm saying. Like, I like, in another case we talked about previously, where, shoot, who was it? That was standing behind his mother.
And I was like, for five minutes, I'm like, I feel like I would never have had that. I can't imagine. I literally feel like somebody has some sense of like, there's something on the floor. Maybe I wouldn't think.
Oh, it's a body. But like, I don't know. I obviously don't know the side of his room, whatever, whatever. This is all his bullshit.
So, Jesse states that he panicked when he saw the body and did not co-authorize. He was in, he was so in shock that he almost committed suicide. Instead, instead of calling authorities in his panic, that he was in, he put grace in his suitcase and disposed for body as we discussed earlier. Now, something else we discussed earlier.
The overwhelming shock that Jesse was dealing with didn't prevent him from watching porn, conducting those crazy ass Google searches. He was hurting. He was hurting. He said, well, I guess now I can jerk off and look at birds.
Like, that was his thoughts. Like, as a natural trainer, that's right. Don't forget those details, because obviously, the police find that out later. But as Jesse telling the story, you know, it's not adding up to them.
When the police asked point blank, did you kill Grace? Jesse says no. Another insane tidbit shared by the Red-Handed Podcast is that by 10 AM, the next day, after he killed Grace, he already had another Tinder date set up. He's a circular basic.
He has no right. You're not in shock. You're watching porn. He's writing a card.
Round show. Yeah. And honestly, like I said, the accents alone are enough to go ahead and listen to Red-Handed Podcast. But the way that they start off the episode is by talking about this date, because they have one of their journalists, like a catfish, him essentially.
She purposely tries to find him on Tinder. What? Just out of this date. Before they realize what's happening, because as we'll get to, this was not Jesse's first run with weird shit on Tinder.
OK. So the post, Mordin, which was done on December 9th, determined that Grace's cause of death was strangulation and desecification. Also, no, de bruising that was consistent with someone who had been restrained and as fixated. Jesse Kempson is eventually charged with the murder of Grace Moline.
So sentencing is not- As it should have been, it seems like pretty obvious. Right. So the trial started in November of 2019. Jesse's argument was not the consensual rough sex went wrong, and that is what resulted in Grace's murder.
So it's important to note I thought this was really interesting that in New Zealand, reckless intent is all that is needed for a murder conviction. So you don't have to intend to murder her. But if you were being reckless in your intent, that's enough. That's all that's needed for a murder conviction.
The prosecution argued that Jesse was not distressed about Grace's murder, seeing that he did not call authorities. He went on to watch porn, took photographs of Grace's dead body, conducted those crazy Google searches that we talked about before, and then went on a date the next day. It's also noted how calm Jesse seemed in all the CCTV footage. It's like you can see it on the TikTok.
It's one of the elements in my opinion that makes this also crazy. Jesse's defense used Grace's sexual past to argue that she did want to be choked and that when things did go too far, that's when Jesse panicked. So to back that up, and I know we talked about Fifty Shades of Grey, which is just so dumb. But Grace was apparently active in the BDSM community.
And one of her ex-boyfriends talked about their previous sexual experiences in the trial. So they called him as a witness? They called him as a witness. And so they were using that to say it really, like it truly was, rough sex that went wrong.
But what they talk about with the ex-boyfriend, I kind of think what he says helps both parties in a sense, because he talks about the experiences they've had. But he also talks about a safe word that they had, which is something that either Grace and Jesse didn't have, which makes it then seem like, well, if she's someone who's like, who does this often, then you would think she would implement a safe word with him, even if she was only planning to hook up with him one time. Regardless of the sexual acts that went down, when you realize that something has gone wrong, you need to take responsible actions, like contacting the police, et cetera, which Jesse did not do. So that's what it boils down to.
This was a really interesting detail. There was a lot of talk about how long it would take to strangle someone, which is five to 10 minutes of forceful action, which is so incredibly long. And how Grace's level of intoxication may have decreased that time. And how this may also have decreased her reaction or her exhibiting any signs of danger or signals, anything like that.
I don't like this detail because I feel like it's important to the rough sex gone wrong defense. But I think it's an interesting to include. So I'm playing devil's advocate a little bit, but I just thought that was so interesting. Yeah, exactly.
At 10 minutes of forceful action, it would take to strangle someone. And I guess I didn't think about or know that intoxication could affect that and decrease that time. I guess like breathing ability or? I don't know.
I wonder if it's oxygen levels in your blood? Could be. I don't know. But also like the signs impacting her ability to show that she was in distress, I think, is really interesting, too, because how many times do you wake up after being drunk and like, oh, I have a bruise, which like would have hurt like hell.
We haven't drunk so you did it once. It definitely decreases your awareness. Right. So again, absolutely not victim-blaming here, but I just think that's an interesting detail and something I want to learn more about.
If I had all the time and money in the world, I would conduct a large study on what happens in our brains when we black out, because it's one thing to black out and like sit on your couch and do nothing. But I would personally have blacked out and done a lot of things. And to me, that's how can you bring B shut off and also be fully functional? Well, there's a case we're going to cover about two guys who believe they killed someone after they woke up from a blackout.
Right. That's what I'm saying. Like you, your brain can be completely shut off. Or maybe it's just your memory.
I don't know. That's my dream in life is to have the time and funds to study blackouts. But anyway, other testimonies included the trial consisted of three female women. Do you like how I have that?
It's really their female women who had previously connected with Jesse on Tinder. They all stated that he had an interest in smothering and choking and many partners stated that Jesse made them feel uncomfortable. I don't care if it's like one ounce of uncomfortable or a million ounces. No male or female partner should ever make you feel uncomfortable.
That's my TED talk about that. So the jury, which consisted of seven women and five men, took five hours to find Jesse guilty of race's murder. In February of 2020, Jesse was sentenced to life in prison with a minimum and non-prol period of 17 years. In March of 2020, Jesse appealed his sentence and conviction.
So I'm going to jump back for just a second to talk about the reckless intent. Because I think that's really important, especially given that this crime was in New Zealand and not in the United States. Reckless intent is all that is needed for a murder conviction. So I think like engaging in sexual, in rough sex that goes wrong, that's.
Yeah. It's intent. I don't know. Well, I think intent means an intent to harm.
Well, right, the usual intent to murder just will be convicted with murder. I think that's the copy out there. Reckless intent, even if it's not intent to murder, can still be an action that could lead to murder. So I think that, you know, boy, this crime doesn't date your behavior.
Yeah. Right. It's a good example of it. Right.
So I just think that's interesting. And I think that is a part of, I mean, five hours is still a long time, but in the grand scheme of juries, that's pretty quick for them to come back with that conviction. So I think that's relatively quick. Right.
Right. And what I've been noticing a lot too, especially as I'm researching more cases, is I'd love to know the makeup of a jury. I think it's so interesting. So here, you know, seven women and five men.
But I would love to know everything about those jurors. I just think that's so interesting. It can really sway a case one way or the other. February of 2020 was when Jesse was sentenced.
March is when he appealed his conviction. And then October that same year, Jesse was convicted of a range of crimes against his former partners, including threatening to kill, assault with a weapon, and sexual violation by unlawful sexual connection. He was sentenced to seven and a half years in prison for those crimes in November of 2020. So he's just like, 2020 was not a great year for Jesse.
Is this it? For any of us, but also for Jesse. November of 2020 was convicted of raping another woman who he met on Tinder. And he was sentenced to three and a half years for those crimes.
In December of 2020, the court dismissed Jesse's appeal, obviously, because all these other things came to life. Meth, 17 years plus three and a half plus seven and a half is 28 years. And of that, we don't have the details on the other crimes, but at least for the 17 years for Grace's murder, that's a minimum non-prol period, which means he will serve those 17 years before he is even eligible for parole, correct? Yes, absolutely.
So at least 17 years. And then if we include those other sentences, which like I said, we don't have details on whether he would be eligible for parole, whatever, at least 17 years. So what do you think guys? This one is tough and I, let me finish my thought before anyone throws things at me.
This one's hard in my opinion because it very well could have been rough sex gone wrong. However, when that happens that they got to the department 941, you know, when that happens, you need to be responsible. If you're going to be responsible enough to engage in that activity, then like if something legitimately goes wrong, then you need to call for help right away. Because I think, you know, proves that you did something without, I don't know, without any ill intent.
And I guess because of that, because of the suitcase and other bullshit is what makes me think that he should spend his whole life in jail and maybe he murdered. I don't think it was an accident. Right, that's what I'm saying. If it was, then you call and say, oh my god, this just happened.
That to me, Jules, is what it is. Right, but sets it over. He knows he did something wrong. Whether you did it consensual sex, whether you strangled her to death because you wanted to.
And this is before we found out about his other rape conviction. So I don't care if you're both into rough sex. Great, good for you guys. But A, at some point that's got to stop before you do kill someone or you should be held liable for that, even if it wasn't a mistake.
Well, that's a different conversation though. It is, but I'm saying. Some people who engage in actual BDSM are like, it's all about consent and conversations and communication. And it's not sure.
I feel like that's a good question. Well, say for an interesting state, it's like, very safe for a ways to practice this kind of stuff. And still, no matter what, even if at the end of it all, and it was a conversation that was had, you end up killing someone. You should be held accountable for that.
You don't watch porn and then Google's weird shit. And then go and get the fucking suitcase, bro. I like it's with an accidental sex stuff. Definitely.
OK, so you kill her and you choke her. She passes out and then you continue choking her. So because that's what happens. You just immediately die.
You pass out first and then you would have to continuously be choked to be killed. And he kept going. OK, I take back my statement. It's not hard.
I just don't like the way that they, I feel like they used her ex-boyfriend. Oh, 100% to try to say that this was because like, you're right. Maybe they did have consential sex. But I think everything else after that left the BDSM ballpark and that went to on the murder, who has a violent history.
Right. And that's what they do to somebody. Yes, convicted of rape. That to me is like the final cherry on top because to me.
And that takes away the consent part of it. You're not engaging in just BDSM. You are actively harming someone against their will. That shows you also have the capability of violence against anybody who is sexual partners.
It just seems like he's a sexual TV and he just escalated to the next level. Yeah, makes sense to me. So do we think out for an eye was met? No.
I don't think it's going to be until forever. I don't think it goes out. 17 years. He's the kind of person that I can get out and do it again.
You know what I mean? I don't think there's any indication to show that he's like remorseful. Yeah. He looked for flushing me birds.
Flushing me birds. I didn't know. I was talking about pterodactyls because I think that's not exciting. I mean, like a crow down the way the birds are coming back.
He was trying to find buzzards. He wanted buzzards in his hotel room. Yeah. Yeah.
No. So to me, it's like, I agree. I don't think justice was met. I think this type of guy who clearly covered up his crimes then lied about it and also was convicted of another crime and Google weird shit.
This is type of guy who's like walking up their way with key. I don't necessarily. I mean, should he be killed? I think you should have that conversation.
I don't necessarily think he meets the criteria. I think that should be held in reserve for people who kill multiple people. That's a different, deeper conversation. But for the people who are irretrigibly, like I say, I hate to use the words that's so underlying and has different tones for everybody, but evil, as we say.
So I do think, though, he should not be ever able to experience the possibility of being freed. Yeah. And he should be under lock and key for 23 hours a day and a solitary confinement. That's the type of cat we're dealing with here.
Yeah. I agree. I agree. I'm only laughing because that's in a case that I just finished.
It's like three hours a day in solitary confinement. I just want training day the other day. And that also is in that moment. It's like 23 hour lockdown.
I love that shit. Yeah. I think we need Jesse, Kim, sent it off the streets before. Yeah.
17 years as a slap in the face of Grace's family. It is kind of to me. It's like if that man gets out, like her family has no peace. Something is not a long time.
It's not even as old as Grace was. Right. That's a great point. That's a great point.
And he's still young. So it's like, it's not like he's going to get out when he's 60. He's got out when he's like 30. He's maybe out when he's in his mid 40s.
40s. Yeah. I think this definitely could have gone to life without parole. I don't know if that's even New Zealand.
He's mad to have no rest. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
I got right to the nitty gritty here. So I'm sure there are other details that we'd love to hear about. So if you have them. And a lot of this was based on which we will post it, but a very detailed TikTok.
And we delved into it further from there. But we have to post the TikTok. So if you guys see this, this all took place over one night. So it's like what you can capture on CCTV is ridiculous.
Right. So we said. Yeah. Previous.
Well, thank you guys for joining us for another episode of iFRAIN. I would love to know what you hear. Like what you feel about this case. Do you believe in iFRAIN?
I was meant to you think 17 years. And maybe some change was an adequate sentence. If he's offered parole because of course, that's a whole hearing in of itself. And one other comment before we end.
This case had a lot of detail in terms of name suppression. So we until I think it was until he was actually sentenced. Nobody was allowed to use his name. Which is interesting.
And for reporting or things like that. I think he's bullshit. Yeah. That's me.
It's ridiculous. Even though it is a protective name. But he wasn't a minor. Like, yeah.
And then wanted to protect him in case he didn't end up being sentenced. But if you have information on that as well, I'd love to hear more about it because I think it's bullshit. Yeah. Like for sure.
Definitely. Because that's something that we don't deal with here in the US. Some of the opposite. Yeah.
So they want to see the names blown up out there. Yeah. And I think that's important to know. Do you want to say?
Does that change journey? Or does that give them the unbiased full story? Or if that's what we're talking about? That's what we'll say.
If there's such thing as a truly unbiased or exciting thing. So we'll talk about it. We should. Well, great review.
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