Take It or Leave It with Michelle Beavers, Leo Lo, and Sara McClellan episode artwork

EPISODE · Nov 18, 2025 · 52 MIN

Take It or Leave It with Michelle Beavers, Leo Lo, and Sara McClellan

from Intentional Teaching, a show about teaching in higher education · host Derek Bruff

Share your thoughts about this episode as a text message. I’m back with another “Take It or Leave It” panel! This one is a little different. On October 2nd, in my role as associate director of the UVA Center for Teaching Excellence, I hosted a virtual panel titled “Take It or Leave It: AI’s Role in Online Learning” featuring three fantastic UVA colleagues. The conversation went very well, and the panelists and the CTE gave me permission to share the audio from the panel here on the Intentional Teaching podcast. The panelists for this edition of Take It or Leave It are all at the University of Virginia. Michelle Beavers is associate professor and coordinator of the Administration and Supervision Program in UVA’s School of Education and Human Development. Leo Lo is dean of libraries and university librarian, advisor to the provost on AI literacy, and professor of education. Sara McClellan is assistant professor of professional studies and program coordinator of the Public Administration Certificate Program at UVA’s School of Continuing and Professional Studies.You’ll hear me briefly describe five recent op-eds on teaching and learning in higher ed. For each op-ed, I’ll ask each of our panelists if they “take it,” that is, generally agree with the main thesis of the essay, or “leave it.” This is an artificial binary that I’ve found to generate rich discussion of the issues at hand. Episode Resources·       Michelle Beavers’ faculty page·       Leo Lo’s LinkedIn page·       Sara McClellan’s website·       Essay 1: “Are You Ready for the AI University?”, Scott Latham, April 4, 2025·       Essay 2: “AI Risks Undermining the Heart of Higher Education,” Zahid Naz, April 21, 2025·       Essay 3: “Urgent Need for AI Literacy,” Ray Schroeder, April 30, 2025·       Essay 4: “Sometimes We Resist AI for Good Reasons,” Kevin Gannon, September 24, 2025·       Essay 5: “On AI, We Reap What We Sow,” Chad Hanson, September 10, 2025Support the showPodcast Links:Order The Norton Guide to AI-Aware Teaching by Annette Vee, Marc Watkins, and Derek Bruff.Intentional Teaching is sponsored by UPCEA, the online and professional education association.Subscribe to the Intentional Teaching newsletter: https://derekbruff.ck.page/subscribeSupport Intentional Teaching on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/intentionalteachingFind me on LinkedIn and Bluesky.See my website for my "Agile Learning" blog and information about having me speak at your campus or conference. 

Episode metadata supplied by the publisher feed · Published Nov 18, 2025

Embed this episode

Share your thoughts about this episode as a text message. I’m back with another “Take It or Leave It” panel! This one is a little different. On October 2nd, in my role as associate director of the UVA Center for Teaching Excellence, I hosted a virtual panel titled “Take It or Leave It: AI’s Role in Online Learning” featuring three fantastic UVA colleagues. The conversation went very well, and the panelists and the CTE gave me permission to share the audio from the panel here on the Intention...

Distinct summary based on available episode metadata or transcript content.

Ready to play

Take It or Leave It with Michelle Beavers, Leo Lo, and Sara McClellan

0:00 52:17

No transcript for this episode yet

We transcribe on demand. Request one and we'll notify you when it's ready — usually under 10 minutes.

No similar episodes found.

No similar podcasts found.

Frequently Asked Questions

How long is this episode of Intentional Teaching, a show about teaching in higher education?

This episode is 52 minutes long.

When was this Intentional Teaching, a show about teaching in higher education episode published?

This episode was published on November 18, 2025.

Is there a transcript available for this episode?

Yes, a full transcript is available for this episode. You can read the complete transcript on the episode page.

Can I download this Intentional Teaching, a show about teaching in higher education episode?

Yes. Use the download control on the episode player to save the publisher-provided media file.
URL copied to clipboard!