Take Two: EP438: Is It Mission and/or Margin? With John Lee, MD

An episode of the Relentless Health Value podcast, hosted by Stacey Richter, titled "Take Two: EP438: Is It Mission and/or Margin? With John Lee, MD" was published on July 3, 2025 and runs 35 minutes.

July 3, 2025 ·35m · Relentless Health Value

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Episode Description

In this Take Two episode of Relentless Health Value, host Stacey Richter reflects on her conversation with Dr. John Lee to explore the challenging intersection between mission and margin in healthcare.

They discuss the nuances of cognitive dissonance faced by healthcare professionals, particularly when organizational priorities conflict with patient care. Dr. Lee shares insights on finding a sense of mission within the constraints of the current healthcare system, emphasizing the importance of incremental improvements, team-based care, and peer support.

The conversation also highlights real-world examples of systemic issues and practical advice on how individuals can contribute to meaningful change without feeling demoralized. This episode is part of an ongoing series addressing critical topics in healthcare, and listeners are encouraged to tune in next week for further discussions.

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