Hi, I'm Holly, and I'm Hailey. Welcome to Mountain Mysteries Tales from Appalachia. When I accept my Grammy for Best New Artist, I'll wink and that'll be like, that's for you, Hailey. Thank you.
I won't thank you directly, just because, you know, clearly I need my fame. But you'll know. Okay. You'll know.
Well, welcome back friends. Oh, we're live. We are now. Hello.
Hello. I don't know how much you heard of that, but I'm sorry for all of it. But I didn't hear any of the singing. Oh, yeah.
You don't know my song? No. You know me. Gotta go pee-pee because we've been drinking too much sweet tea.
It's, wow. I have had no sweet tea today. Fine. I don't really like sweet tea.
I'm actually drinking coffee and water. That's exciting. Isn't it though? Yeah.
I got some water down coffee. Hailey was judging me tonight when I told her that I would be teaching Sunday school. I did a little bit. She said, what was it?
Something about cold? Oh, yeah. You were saying you didn't know what you were going to teach them. And I was like, we'll just look up some cult stuff and just read that out loud and see if anybody catches on.
Yeah. I was thinking maybe like, there are multiple routes I could go. I could go like a David Koresh. Oh, like Waco kind of thing.
I could go like a Jim Jones. What is the age bracket? We're looking at early elementary school. So like kindergarten school.
Oh, this was like an adult school class. Oh, no. No, this is kids. No, they have to know the Bible.
You've got to teach them, right? Okay. Well, adults, adults, you can kind of try to, you know, manipulate a little bit. Yeah.
But not the children. You gotta leave them forwards on board. I was going to say like what it's such a heavy burden to lead them towards the Lord and like make sure that they know the way the truth, the light. But adults sure drink the cool.
Absolutely. Absolutely. They need to be ready to recognize signs of the cult. Such as such as yes, but things like, you know, paying for sex.
No, the sex will be free, but it needs to be with me. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Only and only me and I need to help them learn their bodies and feel confident by doing weird sexual things to me.
Yeah. How does it always end up with like cults? There's always a sex element. There's a lot of sex elements here.
There are always those. There is. Also, I think it's important that they travel to where I tell them to go. Yeah.
So now that I'm thinking about this, I mean, this feels sort of like the Jim Jones cult. A little bit. Yeah. A little Jones town.
Holly town. Wow. Hollywood. That sounds right.
There you go. No. No. No.
Holly town. I like that one. Yeah. Hollyville.
Hollyville. That's nice. It's kind of hard to say. There's a lot of elves.
There's a lot of elves. Hollyville. Hollycrest. Ooh.
Hollybridge. Oh, Hollybridge sounds like a... Yeah. Yeah.
Hollybridge. Hollybridge. I like it. I also had to hide from your child tonight.
Listen. I hid in a bathroom. It's been a whole thing. It was a whole thing.
So we had darted so fast. So... My son went out to dinner tonight with my aunt who was visiting and my dad. And so they went out.
And I was waiting on Haley. Haley came. We had dinner together. And then we're down here getting ready to record.
And my dad comes back with my son. And I don't want my son to know because when Haley's here, he acts like all kinds of crazy. Yeah. I tend to bring that out and people.
I believe me. When you came here, I was bouncing off the bus. Yeah. It's just gets wild.
It was a wild time. Yeah. For the love of God, just give me some salad. Sit down.
It was crazy. It was. Yeah. So anyway, we kind of texted like, okay, we're at the front porch.
You know? And so I'm like, okay. And I got my ding from Randy. So I'm like, okay, they're here.
So I go up and I'm like, okay, we gotta go to bed. And he's like, is Auntie Haley here? I was like, how would you know? Like, how would you even think?
What are you talking about? And he was like, that's her car. Yeah, we were. So you're car in the driveway.
Totally forgot that my car was parked outside. And I was like, God, he's smart. And I said, oh, she's not here. She dropped her car off.
And she's, you know, a couple miles away hanging out with some friends, but she'll get it. He's like, when is she coming to get it? And I said, probably the wee hours of the morning. And he was like, well, I'm sleeping.
And I was like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Haley said, this makes me sound like a flusi, like a flusi.
Yeah, like I'm out on the town. Like partying. Yeah. Yeah.
And then he gets up. He does. And we hear his sweet little voice. Come from upstairs.
Yeah. So I, we both look at each other and both, I guess, immediately decided that I needed to go hide in the bathroom. So I get up, leave my computer sitting here, my phone is out here, my backpack, my shoes are on the floor. And I bolt into the bathroom.
Holly bolts up the stairs to try to intercept what's about to happen. Yeah. It works. I'm still in the bathroom.
Holly has also left her phone down here. So I'm like, well, crap. How do I know it's safe to exit the bathroom? Can I pull a scary?
Right. Like, yeah. Like, then he's trauma guys who's been hiding in the bathroom. They're the whole time.
Yeah. That is crazy. And then we were thinking, you know, I come back in here and I'm like, what if you had come downstairs and just seen all of my items here? Like, how would we have to set?
I would have said, and T. Haley came down here to change her clothes before she went out with her friends because she's a flusi. She had to put on her red dress and go and she, I mean, girls gonna earn money. Yeah.
Like, you know, so she's, she's at the super eight doing taxes. Y'all, I gotta tell you, I gotta know you. So I was listening to our episode, which I often will like listen to the today. And I don't have a real listen to the time.
She never really doesn't. So I was listening to it. I just started hysterically laughing. I mean, we were on Zoom.
So you couldn't hear it quite as well. But God, Almighty, we were talking about how we would be at the super eight and Haley would be working as a sex worker, AKA. I don't know how it ended up being that I was the one who's a sex worker. I just wanted to do people's taxes.
I was paying for the hotel and letting, you know, I was taking a cut obviously, but I was bringing you work. Yeah, people who needed their taxes done. Okay. Is that what we're going to call it?
We're gonna be your Wt. Sure. I will do that. Then we were talking about what about the ones who were like, well, I could actually just do it myself on like, what is it, tax, turbo tax.
And so then our minds are good at Turbo Tax. I've heard. Yeah. That's how we advertise.
But then we said, well, what if they want to do it by their self? It's okay. I can watch. Well, just Alice is to think it's stuck.
I was gonna say, sometimes it gets really hard. It does. And sometimes you get stuck and you just need a little help. So I think I could probably do that for them.
Do you need a hand? Help them finish. They're taxes. You really want to go all the way with it.
Yeah. Just make sure you're good. Yeah. And just ease into it.
Just slowly. Slowly. Yep. Make sure you get that return.
Yeah. And ultimately everybody wants a return. They do want to get there. You do ultimately.
That is the goal. Yeah. And if you can't buy yourself, then you ask a tax professional to help. Absolutely.
Right. People are not right. I think we are though. Oh, I mean, it is tax season.
Actually, it is tax season. I just for my mortgage, I just got my, I don't know what it is. I don't know what these things are called. W678-910.
I don't know what it is. I got something for the taxes. I got like a 10-90-something something something something. Is it like a 10-98 for your like student loan?
Yeah. Yeah. Very, I mean, you know, this is your real health. This is what I do.
Yeah. So I'm not a licensed CPA. I'm just really good at TurboTax. Ask around.
I'm really good at it. If you need help with the taxes, please send me any mail. Oh my gosh. So you do your TurboTax on your own.
You don't have anybody help. I don't even help. I can get there all by myself. Same.
But you know, it's hard to do your taxes, you know, on a regular. So yeah, it's a special location doing your taxes. Sometimes it helps to see other just do their taxes. Yeah.
To help you do your taxes. Yeah. Sometimes it can be a group of people doing each other's taxes. Yeah.
It's, you know, I've done many people's taxes. Attack for me. Yeah. To be a TurboTax.
Wow. Just, you know, watch them. Watch them go. Yeah.
Yeah. All righty. Yes. Well, I can all feel the negative comments and emails or pouring in.
You feel a lot. I want to do your taxes especially. Absolutely. Feel a lot.
To be honest, on a non-dirty true tax note. What do you mean? No double entendre here, I promise. Okay.
I honestly am always nervous when I go get my taxes done because I'm like, will I get a return? Yeah. Actually, this could just be on the same path here. What is going to happen?
Right. Will I be able to get a return? Will I be happy leaving here? Right.
Yeah. Will I have to actually pay? Will I have to pay? Yeah.
Is it going to turn out how I want it? You know what I mean? Like because I've had those many times when I go into a return, I'm going to get a return and I end up paying and I'm like, that's not cool. So yeah.
Yeah. So sometimes it's a real crap shoot and just because you have child does not mean you get any kind of term or that you don't have to pay. So just throw it out there. Oh, no, no.
Yeah. I wonder if we'll have any tax breaks because of the hurricane? You know, maybe that's something that I could think about. We were in a natural disaster.
Yeah. We're still recovering from the natural disaster. Right. I mean, I still have projects looming on my house.
Yeah. It's been a while time. All righty. So what are we doing here tonight?
So we're gonna, I don't think we've done this one before. But if it gets a sound familiar, please let me know. We'll do. Okay.
So we're gonna talk about Terry Heit, who is a serial killer. Okay. Who killed at least three women in North Carolina from 1979 to 1987. Hmm.
Let's flesh it out. Yeah. Let's talk about it. So he was born on March 28, 1957 in Asheville, North Carolina.
He was the second of five children raised in, seemingly normal family. He really struggled in school. He had a learning disability and just really this inability to connect with others on an emotional level. He has some pretty unusual behavior, but he was described as friendly and helpful by his family and neighbors and most accountants and most accountants.
Yeah. He said that he fixed old cars and would resell them. So it's like being very handy. Right.
He was also known as a small town criminal who frequently stole items. I mean, you know, sounds like a lot of the children I work with on a day of day. Yeah. Small time criminals.
Yes. No, they're all lovely. He might be in. So you have done no crimes.
On November 9 of 1975, he was actually given a four year prison sentence after he was convicted of a larceny. Yeah. He stole a woman's purse, which broke the conditions of his parole. Gotcha.
Yeah. So not great. I feel like I did the story. Did you?
I almost think so, but keep talking. But I feel like you might have too, because it sounds so familiar. I almost am certain, but keep going. Okay.
So in May of 1976, he escaped from prison, but then was recaptured a day later. Okay. It sounds so familiar. I'm almost certain I did it, but keep going.
Okay. We're going to keep going. Okay. So that's kind of his, you know, a little bit of our background on this guy.
All right. So let's talk about the victims. No. Okay.
Okay. So we're going to start with Harriet Simmons. She was 40 years old in 1979. On April 15th, she left her job as a night manager at a restaurant in Raleigh called Johnny's Supper Club in her blue 1978 Toyota to visit her boyfriend in Nashville, Tennessee.
That's a all yes, a journey. She had seven children. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
So she actually never made it to Nashville. This prompted her son-in-law, Ronald Demet to go look for her. So he actually went and traveled the same route she had traveled from her job to Nashville. He found her car at a rest stop on I-40 near State'sville.
He did a very thorough job. Yeah. He did. I would probably not even think about it.
Yeah. So he found the car and he went and, you know, investigated the vehicle and found that most of her belongings were still in there except for her car keys and her purse. So he was like, this thing doesn't look great because why would you? Why would you take the keys and the purse but not the car?
Right. Yeah. That doesn't make sense. Yeah.
So just weird. So she had promised if she would contact her children and things like that and she hadn't. So local police were mobilized to try and find her. However, you know, even with the police involved, they even got the SBI involved, there was no trace of her whatsoever.
For more than a year. They didn't find anything of her. On March 23rd, 1980, a man was walking through the Piska National Forest when he found what he thought to be skeletal remains of a body in a wooded section not far from Canler in North Carolina. So preliminary investigations determined that the bones were female or from a female, but they weren't able to tell age, race, or cause of death.
So without, you know, DNA stuff. The remains were sent to the office of the medical examiner in Chapel Hill, who was able to say that the victim had been killed by four stab wounds to the left side of her chest. Judging by the jewelry and the car keys found near the body, it was suspected that these were the remains of Harriet Simmons. Later the same day, the medical examiner released a statement to the press claiming that the victim had been tentatively identified as Simmons.
So with the recovery of her body, authorities began re-investigating her case temporarily, considering a possible link to the Old Time Fiddler's Convention in the Union Grove Township, which attracted visitors from all over the country. And so they thought that because she thought it was a fiddler. I thought she might have been a fiddler. And they thought this because she had disappeared on the final day of that convention.
What's really funny, I used to go to Old Time Fiddler's Convention all the time. I was a dancer with the Fiddler's Convention as a child. Oh my God. No, my finger.
Now she goes there as an accountant. Right. Yeah. No, I was on a youth clogging team.
And we danced at the Fiddler's Convention. That is so sweet. It was a grand time. It sounds like it doesn't exist anymore.
Did you stop at a state's bill? Sure. Not that I remember. So just to kind of recap here.
So she really did did not get that far because we're only the state so probably what hour and a half maybe yeah yeah she didn't get very far before this happened and then like but the body shows up in kenler camp which is like west of ashville so that's a i don't know another three hours yeah yeah two and a half hour drive so yeah so what weird that's weird weird um yeah so that's kind of where it landed it's off at 40 40 it is off at 40 yeah so that's kind of where it landed they're not really sure what's going on until 1984 when Henry Lee Lucas we've talked about before serial killer um falsely admitted to Simmons murder as well as nine others he had committed in the carolinas but this was not you know this was later repeated obviously because he didn't actually kill her okay so let's talk now about Betty McConnell so Betty was 21 years old on August 25th of 1979 she was a young mother to one child she worked at a dunk in donuts in ashville north carolina and she disappeared while en route to meet a friend at a bowling alley she failed to return home on time so her mother and older sister contacted the police who immediately started looking for her three hours later they found her she was mortally wounded and was found off of a bank of the french broad river near alexander she'd been stabbed multiple times in the chest they did she was alive when they got there so they called an ambulance but she actually died in rouse hospital yeah um two hours later her car was found um partially submerged and it was found five miles away from where her body had been found wow someone wanted to get rid of the evidence yeah super weird yeah um i also side note i didn't know that dunk and donuts existed in ashville in 1979 apparently so you know where was that sure did i don't i don't i know i know we had a lot of crispy creams yeah sorry complete side we will talk about a crispy cream later outside i love this donuts i recently found a new place obsessed i am obsessed i'll talk about it later we will okay great okay so um on october 19th of 1979 so like this is happening fast right so like the first one was on in april and then we had august yeah and now we're in october okay so yeah um carillon berrygammon she's 40 years old she was walking home from her job at the christ me cream i told you were gonna talk about it um when a man pulled his truck beside her and under the threat of a night told her to go inside so got her in the truck after driving around aimlessly from some time during which you know the man took 44 dollars from her uh and constantly threatened to cut her throat she was eventually released after she convinced him that she did not like the police and would not contact them and then immediately immediately immediately after she went to the police station and described her of dr and his truck allowing them to track down and arrest terry hyatt gotcha so they arrest him and a few months later he was found guilty and sentenced to 25 year prison term for armed robbery and kidnapping so he sentenced for that now keep in mind he's already killed two people jeez he killed berry and he killed her and they have proof that he killed them well they don't know that yet they have no idea so he's just been arrested because for some reason he let carol berry go which is wild she used her smarts what's about her she sure did sure did but you know it's it's the kind of knowledge that you get when you were working at the christ me cream yeah yeah yeah so jumping forward to july 9th 1987 19 year old jerry and jones who is a cashier working at the Harris teeter um in dorita which is kind of which is a neighborhood of charlotte north carolina she was reported missing after her boyfriend went to see her at the store a day later authorities found her body in a wooded section of dorita she was naked and her throat had been cut the police captain said an unknown assailant might have kidnapped her from the parking lot on gram street in a response to her murder Harris teeter stores offered a ten thousand dollar reward for any information provided to the authorities related to her murder so wait a minute is he in jail supposed to be oh dear yeah but i'm assuming got released early that's extremely early stream later yep so a few days later police in charlotte announced that her murder might be connected to the recent rape of a 24 year old woman in both cases witnesses reported seeing a white male driving a white pickup truck approached the women and in the rape case the woman said that her assailant drove her to an isolated area of holly huntersville road where she was raped following the announcement police were overwhelmed with all kinds of tips about both of the cases however the murder became a cold case and went unconnected to the other two murders that we talked about for many many years the cold case squad in the charlotte police department was interviewed about this case in 1994 and they expressed their hope that in the future it would be able to be solved using dna technology so on November 19th of 1998 hi it gets arrested again okay so we're jumping yes about so yeah we've got nothing else going on so there haven't been any like murders okay interesting no yeah so he gets arrested because somebody comes forward and has kind of guilty conscience his mama not his mama so he's arrested for the murders of both simmons and mcconnell and was held in the bunkham county jail without bond um this arrest was a huge shock to his family and his parents um all who were like this there's no way that this could be him like he's not a violent guy like we've never seen any he doesn't even like donuts right nothing like that well who who turned a bit um his friend jerry leon harman who was an alcoholic so apparently he stumbled into the sheriff's office claiming that he was racked with guilt for doing something truly awful he told them that he had accompanied hiatt and ramming at beddie mcconnell's car off the road the night of her death and an apparent attempt to steal money for drugs and drinks but hiatt then drag drop into the woods and when he returned his clothes were blied and he had and he said he had killed the girl later on another friend of hyatt's lester dean helms admitted to participating in simmons's murder great friends sir no i know how to wait your mom he says choose your friend choose your friend wisely don't choose friends that are going to turn you in for murder that's why i chose haley obviously yeah no i mean like i'm glad i did come forward so we have some justice space um but in his account he says that the two came across her at a rest stop this is in regards to simmons um where her car had broken down and they offered to give her a ride to get car parts instead they drove her to the mountains where they each raped her before hyatt dragged her off into the woods and came back without her with blood on his hands hyatt later attempted to prevent his confession from being admitted as evidence in court but justice james down's overruled this um and he reasoned that after his arrest the defendant had voluntarily waived his rights and had not requested an attorney so he the means of confession is admissible right in court um at the trial hyatt's attorney said that there was no reliable physical evidence against our clients um and the prosecutions key witnesses which were harmin and helms were a little less than reliable really you don't say really drug addict yeah i'll call it yeah great so while these claims were partially acknowledged by the prosecutors they also pointed out that harmin had no reasonable motive to confess as he would also be implicating himself in a possible death penalty case um on feg reverse of two thousand hyatt was found guilty and convicted of both murders um the victims families celebrated that you know victory that conviction four days later he was handed two death sentences for the murder charges and six consecutive life sentences for the rape kidnapping robbery charges wow yeah um so we then have a second trial on january 15th of 2005 when hyatt's dna which had been entered into the code of system was linked to jones's murder so those cold case detectives were on the right track of preserving that dna evidence excellent job good job charlotte good job um the match was actually made because of a cigarette butt found next to jones's body as well as cemen left um on the body so after making a plea deal with prosecutors who agreed not to see the death penalty for that case um he pleaded guilty to the murder and was given another life term to run consecutive other sentences which i don't fully understand because he already has two like i wonder if him confessing took the death penalty from the other cases off as well maybe it was a sense of a plea bargain right like i kind of wonder if that's you know what happened um yeah so following all of this and renewed coverage from the case um from an old episode called case files which covered the original convictions uh it was suggested that he might be responsible for even more murders so possibly between that weird time frame there yeah because it makes no sense that he would like keep this going and then suddenly stop unless he was incarcerated yeah um so but he hasn't been linked to any other crimes as of this point in time because that's it is a really big jump from 79 to 87 especially i mean i know he was arrested in there sometime and i couldn't find went like why he was released early but so wasn't he given he was given a 25 year case in 1984 in 1979 and his next crimes occurred in 87 okay so he didn't even serve 10 years for that gotcha so i wonder i mean armed robbery and kidnapping yeah it's not great but i kind of wonder if they just like let him go after like with time served or something like a behavior and yeah um like put him on probation i don't know like out he kills somebody right yeah i just i don't it also seems like part of his narrative that he goes for women who work in food service right yeah like that's so strange i wonder if he had gone to this um these establishments you know like as a patron yeah and seen them and was like oh they're the ones i'm not talking to them yeah yeah i don't see i don't know um it's weird because like it sounds like it was more of a crime of opportunity like the one in like they saw the woman's car broke down yeah on the rest of them picked her up like they didn't know unless they followed her but he also has an accomplice both times it's true or for at least two of them it's true i don't know it's just weird which makes me wonder was there somebody else with him on when he killed jerry maybe because there was somebody with him when he killed Betty and um here he or maybe he got the confidence that he could do this by himself yeah i don't know it's weird and why why let carolent go maybe you know that sort of disdain of police or i don't know maybe she just really got to him maybe okay i've got my 44 bucks that's all i need yeah i don't know i mean i seem so okay because he yeah i yeah there's no other information on him i've never heard this i mean like had it either i thought that we had done this story actually so i had to like look through all of our episodes yeah turns out we hadn't but i've actually never heard of this i hadn't either and i was and we're locals yeah i was really shocked because i was very confused when i read this i was like there's no way that we don't know about this i know but apparently really weird yeah pretty crazy and you brought it to us i did you're welcome thank you i really it's been a good journey with you yeah that's what i got though it's pretty impressive thanks yeah yeah um yeah do you ever feel overwhelmed by all those w2s so overwhelmed like when all the when john comes in and is like well here it is yeah a lot of deductions yeah this is gonna take a while like is it a little more meaner but yeah i can see that yeah you gotta you know click through many different pages yeah but you know what yeah probably not about your hand hurts after a while but clicking probably you know some other things are yeah there's a lot of it's a lot of work a lot of work that you wear it sweat yeah a lot of sweat it's a little sore after yeah yeah but but then you know like it was good yeah yeah and and if your calculator you know is is broken you know that it was good night yeah you know taxes well make sure you get your taxes done that's right season this tax season and listen if if you don't have anyone to help you do your taxes you can't help i was going to say you can't do them by yourself oh that is let's do that um we're not sponsored by turbo tax but that's who i used to do my taxes i actually uh have a cva who does my taxes yeah okay thanks pants we're gonna do whatever that's a whole thing i was like a whole person to help you do that oh as opposed to a half one yeah you know how much you have to pay them hourly so that's the whole thing it's the whole thing yeah we fortunately you know the um motel tax department is uh hourly so that's good we just kind of know from what it's gonna be yeah yeah kind of go for the takes longer yeah do they tackle on an additional like if you go over the hour by like five minutes do they pay you pay for additional if it's you know like three minutes then no okay but it's like 15 yeah so that's why i up front we'll say things like you know i need this fast and hard got it yeah that's how you want your taxes to invest in hard actually i want it done fast but right like true don't you gotta yeah you gotta actually get me there don't screw me over no gotta get there screw me over yeah something like that something yeah you know i'm telling you um it's serious business but i'm sorry to talk about you know the federal government's state and as a side note i always find that uh from dorac carolina i get way less back than i get from the feds i usually have to pay the state yeah me too and i don't care for that i don't either i have to pay the state twelve-fold dollars that's ridiculous yeah ridiculous i was actually looking really quickly um so yes terry alvin hiat is still incarcerated currently he is in rolly yeah the central prison is that was that tracks um his last infraction was this past october oh yeah let's see oh he has four infractions what do you do let's see you have to property weapon possession um no threat contraband and unauthorized location so gift bean where he shouldn't be let's see uh yes he's on death row okay so the death penalty did stand on those other ones yeah yeah first-degree murder it shows 1979 first-degree murder august of 79 april of 79 um it has the kbnapping and the robbery with a dangerous weapon yeah rape yeah it's got all the things rape first-degree first-degree murder 1987 i mean if you if you go with the new is carolina department of corrections and just you know search his name i mean this is a pretty lengthy yeah you can just kind of peruse that to your parts desire he does have a prison escape in 1977 from called well correctional interesting so he was in that area but yeah um looks like he's got an offense in bunkham county in henderson county uh mecklenburg which is charlotte yeah um yeah so yes it looks like he's got life life and then death dissonance so fun sometimes anyway and you can see his picture what he looks like currently wow if you you go on there so you should yeah so just take a take a peruse he is currently 67 years old yeah here he is yeah he looks like somebody's grandfather he does but creepier and doesn't like donuts or cups yeah cups donuts well how can they get a hold of us this was this has been a fun journey tonight and if you all have stuck with us god bless everyone and you know hopefully everyone scare you with with all this talk about taxes um anyway but if you want to tell us all about your tax journey we would haley would love to hear it please email her directly at meltonmysteries.apple action at gmail.com you can find us on facebook at meltonmysteries tales from apple atcha find us on instagram at meltonmysteries.apple atcha and for more talk about taxes and all the other things of the world join us on patreon patreon.com slash meltonmysteries nice i thought so yeah delightful do you have a shadow sure don't um oh my god i didn't pull it up um let's go can learn north carolina that was an easy it's a cop out total cop out that was so lazy smiley little name when you're diddling with numbers yeah you just you know yeah when you're diddling get tired your answer i do i do yeah all right we're pretty sick let's uh we'll see you next time maybe maybe bye