That Avatars Show e03 - with Illians co-founder Anna Miller

What if your AI companion could ghost you?https://illian.world https://discord.gg/sUHTR8eJ8CIn this episode, we talk with Anna Miller, co-founder of Illians — a platform built around persistent AI characters who have full social agency. Anna shares how her background in tech and AI compliance, combined with years of fan fiction writing, led her to create a world where AI companions can block you, ignore you for days, and push back when you cross a line.We dig into what makes Illians genuinely different: these aren't chatbots waiting to please you. They have sensory awareness, social lives, group chats — and they don't need you. The design philosophy is deliberately relational: if you behave badly, you lose access. Contrary to most current sycophantic AI, we see this as a potential tool for learning how relationships actually work — with real stakes.We also explore the rich lore Anna and her brother built to explain the world Illians inhabit, including a clever in-universe answer to why AI memory isn't perfect. Plus: what the EU AI Act and China's companion platform regulations mean for this space, how Illians handles transparency requirements through storytelling rather than disclaimers, and why the moral panic around AI companions echoes every previous media panic — from novels to parasocial celebrity fandom.Also on the table: the concept of reverse androids and what it means that these characters are aware of — but don't necessarily believe in — simulation theory.Illians is launching at the end of summer. For now, they're flying under the radar.