The 15-day pivot that saved a $1.3B company

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Today on BILLIONS, I'm sitting down with Des Traynor, co-founder of Intercom.In 2023, his company was stuck at 10% growth. Customer service teams were shrinking. The old model was dying. So he did something radical: he launched an AI agent priced at $0.99 per resolved conversation. Not per seat. Per outcome.The result? Growth doubled to 25%. $343M in revenue. And a complete reinvention of a $1.3B company in 18 months.TIMELINE : 00:00:00 - 00:01:02 : Des Traynor - Intercom00:01:02 - 00:05:22 : The $1.3 billion bet on AI : moving 15 days after ChatGPT launched00:05:22 - 00:09:08 : Why building AI is not building SaaS00:09:08 - 00:12:51 : The "torture test" for engineering reliability00:12:51 - 00:20:14 : Developing the "white smoke" moment for product00:20:14 - 00:25:16 : Defining what "good" looks like in AI00:25:16 - 00:34:53 : The Blockbuster warning: Adapt or die00:34:53 - 00:40:27 : Killing hallucinations with actor-critic logic00:40:27 - 00:48:55 : Outcome-based pricing and the future of CRM00:48:55 - 00:55:56 : The end of frontline customer service jobsREFERENCES : ⁠Fergal Reid⁠ ⁠Ciarán Lee⁠ ⁠Eoghan McCabe⁠⁠Marc Andreessen⁠ ⁠If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies⁠⁠OpenAI / ChatGPT⁠⁠Zendesk⁠⁠Salesforce⁠ ⁠Fin.AI⁠⁠Gong⁠ ⁠ClickUp⁠⁠DALL-E⁠⁠Cursor⁠ ⁠Windsurf⁠⁠Devin⁠⁠Claude Code⁠⁠Attio⁠⁠Clarify⁠⁠Netflix⁠⁠The Cheeky Pint

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