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I'm Matt Adams. And this is the Big Picture, a conversation show about summer blockbusters. CR's here. We're drafting again.
Hello, Chris. Hi, man. How are you? I'm doing well.
I am thinking a lot about Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon, who are both vacated from their positions as anchors on cable news networks this morning. I think you'd have a limited appeal. Do you think Amanda may be better for Tucker? I'm more of a dollar.
What do you think of the big news this morning? This is your audition for JMO. I was going to say, I think this is big news for the extended JMO. You know what I mean?
You guys really want to level up. You're going to keep JMO central, you guys and Bobby. Yep. Me weighing in for private time on Conrad Harris and other pressing women's issues.
And then you guys bring in Tucker, you know, because it's not about morals. It's not about ethics. It's just reaching as much of an audience as possible. Oh, so you think Tucker should come on JMO?
I thought that's where you were going. I was like, wow. Is there any line we won't cross? Exactly.
I like to get burned by the candle just so I know what paint is. And let's come back to it. Let's come back to it. Do you think Tucker doing a movie draft would be like the most popular episode we ever did?
My line is, I won't appear. I won't interact with him. But you guys just have to, you'll fund it or license it and keep it to the side. Yeah, there you go.
The movie drafts are the three of us and then sometimes other people. That is the formulation that we have settled on. And so, okay, Tucker and Brett Baer. Yeah, great.
CR and Amanda. Great. And Bobby is producing. I'm actually on vacation now.
I wanted to do a fun draft this week. I wanted to do a light one, a kind of silly one. I was having a hard time figuring out what to do next. And then I got a look at the movie Ghosted, which is a new film on Apple TV Plus starring Chris Evans and Anand Armas, which was released on Friday to the public at large.
And this film is quite poor, very bad at being a film. They're taking this movie out behind the woodshed. This shit got turned into glue so fast. It is kind of staggering how not competent it is given the talent that has been gathered for this movie.
But it had me thinking about kind of, you know, we used to be a country, right? We used to be a proper country where every summer you would get a movie like this, a kind of like action comedy with big movie stars that had kind of a reason to show up in theaters to see it. But also it was easy to, you know, it goes down easy and was easy to watch at home. And, you know, Ghosted is like, it's just like the dog baby of streaming movies.
Like, it's just really just a damn shame, like where we are with this stuff. And I'm glad that a lot of movies are going back in movie theaters and the business is kind of booming again in that way. But this feels like the last remnant of a dark, dark three years that we had there. You watch the film.
I was going to cut shit at 10 p.m. after the rest of my household was asleep. I'm going to be honest, at some point I started passporting through the action sequences because, like, the very small little preview that you get when you hit fast forward was enough. You know, I experienced the various fake locations and people twirling around and not looking like they're in the same room.
So I really just decided to watch the interstitials of Anna Dharmas and Chris Evans trying to build some sort of chemistry. And I have to tell you, they did not succeed. They just had chemistry in Knives Out. Yeah.
It's very, very confusing. I also, I was thinking about, I think there is a world where this is, like, the premise is not the stupidest thing. No. I mean, it's like very silly, right?
It's very common. One's fine, one doesn't know. Yeah, it's like Mr. Herman Smith, you know.
And then, and you can kind of see the ways in which it gets away from them, including inserting, like, an ad for Apple tags into the first 20 minutes of the movie. On his asthma inhaler? Here's what happened. You hit me up.
You hit us up. And it's just like, I saw Ghosted. We should talk about it tomorrow. So I, I'm like, tangentially aware of what's going on with Ghosted, but had not watched the trailer.
And I thought that this was a movie about a guy who goes on a date with a woman and she ghosts him because she's a ghost. Yeah. Great premise for our first demo, which is called Ghosted. Is there other movies with that title?
So I was a little bit surprised by the espionage thing. And I just wanted to flag this. One is, this is, like, worse than Greyman, if that is possible. There's so much machine gun fire in this movie and there's not a single drop of blood.
Second of all, me to have a serious conversation about the pernicious impact of the Rick and Morty writer's room on movies. And these guys all writing these movies and just being like, bit, bit, bit, joke, one-liner, ha, ha, ha, nothing. Wait, it's really serious. It's really emotional.
No, it's not. Just kidding. And it's just like, there's, like, nothing real about any of these movies. There's nothing human about any of these movies.
There are not one, not two, not three, not four, but five callbacks to various MCU moments in this film, which is not produced by Disney. It's a depressing movie. And I really like Chris Evans. And I really liked Amid Armas until she went on, perhaps, the- Can we have some accountability, though?
Like, I like him, too. But make a good fucking movie. I agree. I mean, once upon a time, this was a guy who was in Snowpiercer.
It's a little bit at the end of the days. You know, Amanda and I are going to do 35 over 35 next month, which we haven't done in a couple of years. I misread the spreadsheet. We already did another last year.
I know. We updated every six months. Do we? We don't.
We don't. It's literally every two years. Is it? Yeah.
Oh, okay. That's just how time it's been going for us, which is very fast and very slow at the same time. Anyway, there was this big report that came out over the weekend, a survey about who are the most recognized movie stars. Yeah, we're going to be a guy who can't beat Kristen Sinema.
Oh, sorry. Wrong pod. And I thought that was interesting. We'll probably use that as a contextual point when we talk about who the big movie stars are.
But, you know, Evans and Sunan Adarmas are going to be kind of over that threshold. They've been with us for a while. Chris Evans has been around for almost 20 years as a movie star. He seems like a good dude.
He does. And maybe he's just like, maybe in the room when they're talking about these things, it's just like the best of intentions. But it kind of seems to me like maybe it's just like, do you really want to make good movies or do you just like kind of the lifestyle of what comes along with it? Well, the thing that is so weird about it is he already was Lucas Lee in Scott Pilgrim parodying this exact kind of actor.
So he did a joke about being this kind of movie star 12 years ago in a movie and now is actually making those movies. So it's just, it's very strange. I find him incredibly charming. AKA hot.
And charming. Okay. He has a presence. I mean, yeah, he's really hot.
I don't know what to tell you. They built a whole little, you know, Captain America's ass joke around it. Very hot. But also like funny, affable, you know, like the really hot guy in high school or college that wouldn't mean also.
Yeah. The nice quarterback. The nice quarterback. Exactly.
So I enjoy him in films. I think that he is maybe reaching the limits of his abilities and then trying things past his abilities. You know, like some of my problem with this performance, I'm like, well, respectfully, anyone who is Chris Evans is not going to be single or a farmer who doesn't know how to text message, you know, and like, and keeps like, definitely needs the inhaler and has to go to London and all these sorts of things. I'm just like, this is not believable.
This person has more swagger. He's fighting against it. Honestly, it seems like a script from 1997 that they were like, let's just like refresh this with a bunch of emoji jokes and then make it. Right.
And I know, I think in their minds, like they were trying to make Romance in the Stone or True Lies or Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Right.
But it's just like when they are in London and then they're in Pakistan, like they have like this Russo brain thing. That was the most disorienting fast forward because at some point, like I watched him in London and he goes into the vault under Tower Bridge. That's what I texted you guys. Like, great London travel tips.
And then he's like in the lair. Adrian Brody isn't there yet. But there's a whole movie where it's like they're in Vermont or wherever the fuck they are or DC, Maryland. And then they're like, right, Tim Blake Nelson's going to be the bad guy.
You're like, all right. And he's got shot in the head. So they're in the lair for a while. And I fast forwarded.
And I thought, OK, this is the end of the lair scene. But apparently it was a different lair scene because they walk out of the lair into the Khyber Pass. And I was like, I have some questions about what I fast forwarded through. But I also don't care about it.
That game tunnel. Yeah. It was a depressing affair. And I want great things for those guys.
It was just five years ago. I was in a theater on Broadway and I saw Chris Evans and Kenneth Lonergan's Lobby Hero. And I was like, this is awesome. This is what he's going to do.
That's what he's going to do. Like, he was really going to be, he's going to make a run at this. And he's not. He's doing stuff.
You know what? Money is money. I get it. Speaking of money, 90s movies draft.
So can I compliment you lately? Just your segways. And just you're bringing it back to theme, to the headline. It's really beautiful.
This is why I'm up for Tucker's job. You know what I'm just throwing from segment to segways. That's what it is. You guys are talking for it.
Exactly. Yeah, you know, I've been podcasting for eight years. I just want to say, in the last couple of months, it's just, it's looking effortless, you know? And you can't see the sweat as you really navigate from.
You know who my role model is. I know. I'm sitting right here. Yeah, but I sweat while I am.
Which is actually what I like about it. It's a little endearing. It's like, oh shit, now we got to get back to the other day. I'm like Blackflot in the 19th of a freestyle when I'm doing segways.
And you're just like, you're full of VR. You do also know that it just makes me, like, want to throw you off the script, like, more and more. I do, trust me. The 90s, though, they were a time when, even if the movie sucks, you felt, like, excited to go.
This is the best list of movies that we've ever drafted from. So the parameters are pretty narrow and yet wide. The parameters that we carved out for this are, the film needed to have been released between May 1st and September 1st, any year in the 1990s. And the threshold is, you know, usually we draft blockbusters as a category, and $100 million as a threshold.
Now $100 million, if you were an entertainment weekly reader like I was in the 1990s, that was the sign that you had hit the big time. That has changed, obviously, a lot these days. You know, I think that the Super Mario Bros. movies have, like, $800 million in three weeks, which is staggering.
Chris, you've seen it? Are you waiting to watch it home so you can play along? Yeah, that's great. Future watch-along candidate, Super Mario Bros.
$100 million, man, you did it. Now, occasionally there were movies like Westworld, excuse me, not Westworld, Waterworld, and they were like, but you did it at $100 million, and everybody's like, whoa, Kevin Koffman settled down, $100 million, sir. You think the Titanic, sir? Meanwhile, it definitely cost $200 million.
When I say 90s blockbuster, Chris, what do you think? What does it conjure for you? All-consuming events, music videos, Entertainment Tonight, MTV News, like, anticipation, countdowns to opening day, and then the idea that basically, like, these movies would be the backbone of the summer, so you would go see them two, three, five times in the summer, and a lot of the technological and, I guess, I guess there was a lot of innovation, because when I think back on a lot of these, there would often be times where you would go to one of these movies and you'd be like, I've never seen that before. Never seen a dinosaur, you know?
Never seen a guy be liquid. And it's pretty cool. Like, it was, like, a very, I mean, I know that we're probably sentimentally, like, lean towards this era anyway, and you're always going to fall in love with the era that you came of age. You're always going to champion that.
But this was, you know, I think with a lot of the stuff that you guys have been kind of grappling with over the last year or two, maybe more, is the falling away from the sort of centrality of movies, like, the idea that movies are the monoculture, the idea that this is something that everybody participates in and then talks about, and I had that same issue with some of the TV stuff, and this was really the peak of it. This was really, like, find me the person who wasn't, like, I went and saw Jurassic Park as soon as I possibly could, as many times as I possibly could. It just was universal. Amanda, what about for you?
Fitz Plaza, 3 p.m. on a Wednesday afternoon. I'm out of summer camp. My parents- Sleepaway or day?
I was a big day camper. I did a couple of sleepaway camps, believe it or not, that level of other people telling you what to do with everything in my day. Sharing space. I fucking hate it.
And you're into a schedule. Yeah, and also, it's a very Joyner vibe, you know, lots of spinging, you know, and it's just being like, you can only have one candy bar from, you know, the rest of the week, excuse me. I would pay American currency for video of you at, like, 11 in brat mode to sleepaway camp. That would be good content.
The only thing I did is I just, like, would try to sit in my bunk and read the whole time, because that was, like, the only way that these, like, these people and their arbitrary rules and definitions of what was fun people, like, couldn't get me. I just, I was just not- So you got day camp, so you could go after day camp. Exactly, yeah, and it's like, my parents were working, so- I'm just imagining the Tucker bit about this, so it's just like, they're telling her what to do. Why are they doing it?
They're saying she needs to go to archery. I'm so bad at archery, too. Is this woman going to be an archer? Is this a world where Sean and Tucker just swap places, and Tucker now just host a picture with Amanda?
Sean thinks the opening is for him, you know, at the 8 p.m. hour, but really, Tucker is now going to be a podcast. They won't let her go to Jurassic Park. Why?
Who makes these decisions? Why won't they tell us? He might have to come on the show. I'm going to have to leave when he's coming in for you.
The Velociraptor has a brother. Who decided that? How do I steer this shit back on? Are you sure you want to?
Getting so close to just making that show. I can't believe it. Okay, so day camp, and then childcare in the form of the local movie theater. Would you go by yourself?
No, I think, well, I couldn't get there, because I don't, could I drive in the 90s? No, I could not drive in the 90s. I'm sure about that. Jesus Christ.
What are you talking about? I don't know when, yeah, 2000 is when the license finally came. So, no, I had to be dropped off, so I think it was sort of, you know, like, parents would take turns dropping a group of us off at the mall. Did you do the drop me off a little bit farther away, so I could walk up and not have to be seen, like, getting dropped off by a parent?
Great question. I don't think I was old enough for that in the 90s. Did I drop me here? Yeah, I don't know.
I think that it's... It's like a walk up 17th Street, like I was fucking John Travolta. Just point at people in Philly, yeah. I was more concerned, like, are you getting me as close to the bathroom body works as possible?
Right. Which was at Lennox, which also had a movie theater, but it was not as large of a movie theater. Lennox Mall and Fifth Mall Plaza in Atlanta are, like, catty corner from each other. It's going to use real estate.
Anyway, and I have vivid memories of, you know, seeing all these movies because they were the center of the culture, but also because I was 12 and 13 and 14 and there was air conditioning in the summer, you know, at the mall, and that was just where we spent our time. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. This runs the stretch from 8 to 17 years old for me, and so that, of course, is a significant time in any young man's life, and I learned a lot of different kinds of movies, you know, from The Lion King all the way through The Sixth Sense. Yeah, a huge spectrum of films.
There is a huge spectrum of experience there. Can I say something, though, about that? Do you think that the movies, the blockbuster movies, were just, like, a little bit more dangerous and a little bit more provocative back there? Because I remember, you know, some of the action films, but even some of the dramas, like, you know, that were like, yeah, you can come, you know, PG-13, whatever, like, let's discuss a little bit.
I remember them being, in some ways, my introduction to a lot of these, like, ideas and themes of the world, you know, and I don't know that necessarily that happens for teens anymore with the movies. Like, do people go to the movies and then, like, get kind of like, oh, I don't know, like, I mean, I guess maybe if you're a kid, you could see John Wick, you're like, holy shit, but. I mean, I have euphoria, so I'm not sure that they're right, you know. In addition to that, obviously, like, I think the internet kind of shattered that convention.
Like, there's an illicit thing that you have to pay $9 to enter a building to sit in front of a screen, and there, you might learn about human sexuality, which is, like, you are completely unexposed to when you're 11 living in your parents' house. So, I think a lot of us are trained in that way. I feel like if you just have a smartphone, a lot of questions get answered a lot more quickly. I mean, Bobby, I'm sure even for you, questions were answered a lot more quickly and not necessarily in the movies.
Bobby, how did you learn about sex? Yes, please tell us. Yeah, don't go to. Yeah, exactly.
about it a couple days ago um yeah not the internet yeah we uh that wasn't the case for us um chris watched scramble pornography every night for uh 10 years you know what seeing total recall did to my idea of how many breasts a woman might have and you you still think three right still i'm still waiting for that special someone some of these movies were very very violent yeah we did a pod about diehard 2 a couple years back and diehard 2 is fucking violent yeah and a plane blows up on screen and it seems real so to see a movie like that in theaters i don't think i did see that movie in theaters but you know i'm sure i saw within a year or two of being released that's a lot for a 10 year old changes your relationship to air travel absolutely well on other things yeah um actually you know what is an example of the sexuality thing is batman returns that's a movie where if you see michelle pfeiffer in batman returns you're 11 12 years old what the fuck is going on here and then you know chris 20 years later has a bbsm sex dungeon that's like these are inspiring films that we're talking about here today so uh i had very similar experiences you guys sometimes there was a single standalone movie there was a walking distance it's my house the walt whitman theater and they did show largely kind of mainstream studio blockbusters was everything in your town named after walt whitman it was i'm born in his birthplace so uh the waltman mall was inside the waltman movie theater i was a waltman high school uh i think that was pretty much it waltman road actually was where the mall the mall was on i mean you know he's an important american man he did a lot for uh for what for ideas of leadership and nature and man's complicated relationship to man you know wonderful i wasn't criticizing walt whitman who's wonderful so you hate walt whitman is that what you said you guys know that at one point in the netflix romantic comedy your place or mine frise witherspoon quotes walt whitman to ashton kutcher and she's talking about uh she's quoting walt whitman writing about the brooklyn bridge and then oh she's in front of the manhattan bridge that's actually one of the only funny jokes in the movie yeah but i don't think it's the real it's definitely not the real brooklyn bridge in that movie it was cgi'd you were the manhattan bridge or brooklyn bridge guy i always found that the brooklyn bridge was really like a lot of traffic to get across so i was like manhattan was like let's get across this thing i feel like manhattan is like uh still undiscovered manhattan bridge i mean well this is the subway going across the manhattan like the bd yeah views unmatched you also on the manhattan bridge get the best view of the brooklyn bridge and then you know that's where you can see all the bridge's vein blows up yeah this is why people come to this pod is three people who haven't lived in new york for five to twelve years talking about bridges i want to put on record that i'm team brooklyn bridge still okay i live very close to it and well i don't know which bridge do you like i think i think i love the verazona verazona you know they um they misspelled the verazona on like half the signs like onesie versus twosie what is the truth um that'd be a jam-out topic for me personally this week yeah um i like the brooklyn bridge better but i more frequently travel than manhattan bridge the subway line over top of it yeah you want to draft sure is there anything you want to get out of your heart about the 90s do you want to do a little bit like what were some of the permutations of this drafts that we probably that wouldn't have worked well you suggested the potential of drafting say out of months like we could have said may june july august september that would be one approach for categories i thought we would keep it simple but also there are some unusual parameters like tightness of the parameters if we just stick to classical genre categories um so by removing blockbuster we've got to add one more what i went with was action comedy drama sequel oscar nominee and wild card for categories was there anything that we could have done or that we should try in the future i almost texted you guys suggesting that we do like more topic oriented categories like aliens love you know animation also could have been on the board which would have been funny sexual weakings yeah let's uh save it for just your opinion but then that seemed like it would be tight in a different way and that then we would exclude some movies let's do that for the next one i like that idea that's a good idea um and what else you thought we should have tried no but i feel you want you thought you were doing it by month right yeah i was like do you want to do it where you're basically what we're asking people to vote on is who built the ultimate summer you love the program you know i have a taste for it yeah i think the month that a movie is released is meaningful though it's still meaningful to this day one thing that's happened is the calendar keeps getting pushed back further and further so you know like may 2nd we're getting guardians of the galaxy 3 i would say that is you know probably one of the two or three most anticipated movies of the year but super mario already came out and already did what a summer blockbuster does and they just did it over spring break so the idea that like a may movie is different from an august movie i think it's certainly true but i'm surprised to see how many of the movies that did quite a good amount of business were released in august out of this list 65 excuse me 66 films ultimately qualify that's great for this list which is significantly fewer than the pool that we usually draft from but we're only drafting 18 movies total so we're gonna have strong lineups hey did you see the absolute sickos came out for you full dead rise yeah it was nice i'm really i'm really pleased i just think our culture is a really good place because all we want is video games movies about video games tv shows about video games and guys getting their throats ripped out by dead eyes we live in them in succession we live in an amazing time i'm just very pleased uh tucker's out thank god everything's coming up us yeah we did it and uh and de santa's gonna be president and we're getting thrown in woodchippers i was with a florida citizen this weekend an old friend of mine and uh like an old person who's from florida or yeah i was with a geriatric man sitting on my deck together and uh i was with the guy i was in college with and we were chatting and he moved to florida about eight nine years ago he brought his cousin over his cousin's guy i know pretty well and uh i'll just say his cousin and i are kind of a similar persuasion i guess socially intellectually about the world and my friend is maybe a little different from me and uh his cousin was like you remember when this guy was fucking defending desantis from kobe what a fucking moron my friend had to acknowledge desantis is doing some clown shit right now uh let's draft okay bobby we need to find a draft order oh the high back that's right did you buy more scrabble tiles i did locate more scrabble tiles but i'll have to find them chris you're going first oh interesting interesting do you really know the sound like i don't know if i have a strategy no i don't really it's really just categories yeah and then there's things that i there are a few things where i bet are very high on one person's list are not even on the other person's list yeah that's true amanda you're selecting second interesting this is intriguing so the category that i found to be the weakest personally was drama okay i disagree yeah there are obviously some great dramas here but relative to how long the list i could make there were not very many i think one of the one of the maneuvers that one has to make is where to put the phones as you said chris which categories should you try to shank your opponent by taking putting one film in one category and then weakening another category you're already starting the negativity and i thought that this was going to be a good will draft well it's interesting because there's there's it's going to be super easy for each of us to get a good movie in each one of these categories there's way more than 18 good movies or whatever right absolutely but where these things go we're going to have somebody be like oh i got i got that you know so i'm gonna start us off and i'm gonna take perhaps the ultimate summer movie of my youth which was tornado 2 and i'm gonna put it in sequel okay i think that was the best that is actually what i was gonna do because sequel is pretty thin sequels we're still making shit in this decade you know what i mean there are some good sequels but there are few that are as powerful as t2 it's great yeah thank you and this also speaks to the the guns and roses uh build up to this and it being basically on mtv all the time schwarzenegger at like his sort of like peak of like omnipotence like you just could not escape that vision of him in a leather jacket and sunglasses and uh yeah this was just this movie rocked i think you're right to point out the surrounding culture of terminator 2 which didn't feel forced upon me at whenever it was 11 years old that's because you willingly watched mtv 12 hours a day yeah i was like you could be mine this this actually is the perfect anthem for this movie and you can be inspected into thinking that these kind of like crossovers are convergences is there any product placement in t2 uh obviously there's kind of corporate bets to all cameron's films but i feel like there was like a handful of things like well there's stuff in the mall i think does he play like a video game is for one playing in the mall i don't know i'm not sure donkey kong well i'll have to go back and review it let's let's do a t2 watch one just for product placement okay that sounds good you love product placement that's true because my brain is entirely messed up by that's right you just like immediately leaped on the air text that's right well they definitely showed a lot of them i was also aware of the fact that i was watching this on apple isn't there a part in ghost where he's like maybe her phone doesn't work and they're like it can't be that right it can't be that the phone is all defective it's not even just a phone it's about an international calling plan okay yeah cr gets t2 it's a man's turn in action i will take jurassic park uh they made dinosaurs i this is this comes out in every draft that where it's eligible we're like this is this is it this for me is still number one spielberg because of the age that i was and for the first time i just went to the movies and then they put dinosaurs on the movies it's still the funniest thing is that the faces of the people in the movie were the same as the faces of the people watching the movie when they see the dinosaurs it was just like it actually was that impressive it was like the way that they reacted i was like yep i'm reacting to that did we talk about the movie jurassic punk do you know about this film i do not you know about this uh jurassic punk is a documentary that came out last year that i recommend people it's about a guy named steve williams who was a vfx artist who worked on terminator 2 and jurassic park he was a real kind of rebel anti-hero this is he worked with island yeah this is where like he did the computer stuff and then they were like oh it's it's over now we have to make this kind of movie yeah and he was kind of a person who was thrashing against the old guard you know the sort of like the not not just but like some of the leadership at ilm over time he was saying this is the way forward on this and he got he convinced them to do a lot of things that he helped create along with a couple of his colleagues but he really did not play nice and it's funny that these are the first two films because these are the two major breakthroughs along with the abyss that he worked on and you know he eventually directed an animated movie a few years later but like he really hasn't heard from he's more or less out of the business and it's a really interesting portrait of how sometimes one or two people can come along who can change things radically and he is credited with conceptualizing a lot of that majesty in jurassic park that you're talking about but he was hard to work with and it seemed like maybe he had a drinking problem and he's just kind of gone from the business and it's really interesting someone like that who's behind the scenes who's not an actor who's not a writer or director who contributes so much can be removed now the film is objective maybe his contributions are not as meaningful as it sounds but i love that idea of someone coming along smashing glass ceiling and then losing a hammer you know i mean like he's just gone and it's a really interesting documentary worth checking out regardless of whether it's fully factual about what contributions he made um i have two picks now i'm a little stumped now there are so many movies that i love in action from this time do you think this is the pinnacle of action cinema yeah this is like the gloss and the scope of the 80s but with like a little bit of humor and self-awareness and they also changed who could be an action star in the 90s i felt like there also was this um total command of practical filmmaking that arrives at this time like in the mid to late 90s that um we really i just we've lost and have not really seen anything like it since i'm gonna go in action i'm gonna take speed which is great movie i to me for me when i think of summer blockbuster i think the quintessential summer blockbuster yeah um it is not the best movie that i'll draft it's not the best movie on the board it's probably not even the best movie from that year but the see the commercial understand the premise in 10 seconds because someone literally explains the premise in the commercial and just wanting to be inside the movie immediately that like that desperation to feel what the piece of advertising is telling me is i think like the essence of the summer blockbuster like that is something that hollywood completely figured out now everything being pre-branded everything being about like interconnectivity between stories anticipating the connection to the connection or watch the singer and all that speed is like pure original idea not rocket science not a super sophisticated movie but also a movie that's like yeah we also cast jeff daniels and dennis hopper too the dennis hopper like putting dennis hopper as the villain like this is also the era of like alan rickman as a villain anthony hopkins as a villain like dennis hopper like that's the secret sauce is to find somebody way overqualified to just ham it up so i'll go speed in action and then i'm gonna take an oscar nominee clinty's was unforgiven okay classic summer movie which is not not a summer blockbuster i did it take speed uh but it was released in august which i think speaks quite a bit to the underdog nature of unforgiven because at this time some people thought maybe clint was was through which is really funny to think about this is 31 years ago this movie was 32 years ago and uh clint is not through in fact he's making another film about juror number two if you guys heard about this yes um did they give him an officer i can neither confirm nor deny i have had some communication with some folks that are behind the scenes on this one okay um i apparently the script has been kicking around for a very long time it's a really strange last movie really weird because it feels like a very conventional legal thriller programmer like who's in it uh i think it's nicholas holt is playing juror number two and the premise of the movie is effectively there's a guy who's been selected for jury duty and he may or may not have committed the crime it's a great movie it feels like a movie i don't know why you're throwing skepticism i'm not throwing any skepticism except i did see crime macho yeah i've seen all of them 93 92 92 that is yeah but real yeah nicholas holt and tony collette i mean that's a good pedigree and clint one take clint just getting through the day done before lunch quick he's gotta get home you know eat his oatmeal you know stay regular god bless him i'm fucking fired up why didn't you respond to my like legal dramas draft video you just went you didn't even acknowledge it that's a good one for all times yeah like in the history of movies yeah we can do that okay fine you're the one who just drafted you pegged to juror number two sure that'd be great let's do it okay i mean i think he just finished shooting it today of course he did um so they stood up like a week ago it's gonna be done it's gonna come out this year so great you were looking for ideas and i'm giving you ideas and then you're just kind of nodding your head how do you feel about clint's deeply problematic personal life i don't know do i have to have an opinion about it it's kind of where i am on it he said he believes everything he did was above board i thought it was a strong take but i believe in chris uh okay i've taken speed and unforgiven okay you're up man i think unforgiven was kind of a weird choice at number two for you but okay could be could be you know yeah slightly funky category i think i'm just gonna go with my heart which i there are a couple there are many films here that you and i share sure and i want you to know right now if you take one that i'm not drafting now i won't be mad so okay no i won't actually because i'm making the decision because here's the thing i could take something else but i have to be true to 11 year old amanda in the movie theater five times in a row the mask are you taking the mask so in drama i will be taking apollo 13 that's fantastic stuff for you yeah this is i i have told this story many times i went i visited cape canaveral after this to try to get to go to space camps didn't work out for me um i love this movie i i think that this this to me is maybe the quintessential tom hanks role which is maybe just uh you know product of me having seen this movie 45 000 times but i when when you and bill had your skirmish on the rewatchables yeah about tom cruise and tom hanks you can sound like we got it like mix it up yeah i think that you both uh said some things to each other and about two of our great movie stars that maybe you would like to re-examine in a calmer setting don't i trust each other we have we have many many years well i i noted that bill just skipped right over about the routine because he doesn't care about this movie but it's like right in the run of tom hanks and this is your chance you demand rewatchables episode do it i did it to him the last time i was on rewatchables oh you did i did yeah i had some questions about the kentucky uh thing and i demanded a quality you know i use my opportunities but what about the fact that um poverty in our country grew right because we spent so much money on nasa are you have you reckoned with that what's going on okay i'm auditioning i know um you know you can't put a price on exploration so you want to cancel clint and nasa no at least nasa did it now we're having the private people fuck it up chris do you believe that we went to the moon yes you do john mario i love Stanley kuberk's work okay I don't think going in the mood is that remarkable anymore wow it's one of those things he literally just built a fucking tin can and put humans in it and then you're on the mood in the 60s I'm just saying it's funny how Elon can't even get a rocket on the launch pad come on it's amazing he's too busy giving people blue checks that he's paid for our pocket well I'm just saying how is the twitter blue experience going for you have you enjoyed if I were just paying it and tweeting about how much I spent on toilet paper or whatever the hell was happening I took the app off my phone because I don't remember because I just hang up too much space you're definitely not ghosted space is real pretty I can't get rid of the photos of my kid and all the videos you're in the cloud though I'm not in the cloud I don't trust my cloud incredible revelation wow all you're doing is limiting your ability to document your child's life no I'm documenting it but I do have to back it up but I'm backing it up locally I don't oh so you do it on external hard drives you're doing something that I used to do with Napster in 2001 I don't think that everyone needs to have all of my information and access to everything so I don't do my cloud I know that to be fair Sean you have like 8,000 blu-rays physical media back it up locally he's just prepared but that's the thing in the event that the world is shattered I will be able to watch movies yeah I'll have hard drives yeah anyway I was forced I was honestly forced to update my phone by certain corporate overlords and there was not enough room so I had to take Twitter off my phone the app because it takes up a lot of documents and data what is this relevant to me so then you asked me how my Twitter experience was going so when you tweet now it's tweet from the web do you have the Twitter app on your desktop on your computer so you are only tweeting during working hours yeah that's one of the reasons I'm doing it also it's way better but I'm on Instagram full time just buying shit left and right do you think you'll be able to retain your clout with the loss of a blue check mark I think it's going to be advanced do you think you'll ever be asked in a job interview how many Twitter followers do you have I don't know that's what I was thinking if we go independent and you're CEO of JMO are you going to be asking us when we're applying for our positions how many Twitter followers when we were negotiating to be part by Spotify I sat with Daniel at one-on-one and he said Sean how many Twitter followers do you have and I told him the number I would two to the number and he said those are rookie numbers I don't know are you lying I genuinely don't know definitely over 130 I have between 12 and 18 followers no 135 I just wondered if you I think you secretly know at least like to the number I think you know to the thousand what do I have tell me 135.5 congratulations how's that feel I'm on Twitter I got no shame about it you tweet I love to tweet well I actually don't love to tweet but I do like to see what's going on in the world Chris got you cooked still though 160 he's not even on Twitter got me cooked you didn't like that did you 25,000 congratulations to Chris yeah thanks you tweet all the time did you have a blue check funeral yeah you may know my work as cat turd I've enjoyed your at Jason tweets that's been going really well too what's a better film Apollo 13 or God Chazelle's first man answer the question do you think Damien Chazelle would say it's Apollo 13 I think he would dodge the shit out of that question I think he would dodge Chazelle at heart despite the cynicism and entertainer no he's really I mean he's an entertainer I just noted with interest that Apollo 13 was not in that montage at the end of that one just saying did not go are you in Tucker right now that was like Tucker without the Tucker voice didn't escape my attention that's all I'm saying what I was going to say is Chazelle he's really sincere he's earnest he's sentimental which I think is the best we're one of the best things about him you guys are very similar a cold exterior but a warm soft center so I'm going to ask you a Ron Howard question are you aware of something that's been burbling in Cinephilia which is the kind of reclamation of 13 lives did you guys see 13 lives no I didn't I am aware that that was like true heads know that this is like Howard Hawks in his Twilight that is literally how it is being described as like a master craftsman working with great actors and a great story telling a story quite simply I don't know if I even talked about 13 lives on the show but the challenge for me with the film is that I saw Jimmy Chin and Chai Bossarelli as The Rescue which is like an incredible documentary and tells the entire story start to finish in a not dissimilar fashion alright I think it's your pick an Oscar nominee I am going to take a film that I saw twice in two days when it came out in theaters because I loved it so much and that is The Fugitive seven Oscar nominations a movie that if I remember correctly I was like okay it seems like it could be cool I'm going to go check it out and then everything about it is as good as it could possibly be the acting the editing the direction it's just so fucking awesome and that thrill of watching it and then just being like you know what the only thing I really want to do is watch The Fugitive again it's something that I treasure I treasure that a lot I told you this before that's the one my favorite part of that was they did recasting do you I don't remember Chris and Mark Ruffalo for Dr. Richard Kimmel and then protested everyone else's selections for being too hot as if Harrison Ford is not the hottest person but in this movie I think he's a plausible everyman but he's not an everyman he's a high-powered corporate scientist but he's not fucking Bo Jackson you know what I mean he's not but he's married to Cilla Ward he's definitely meant to be Harrison Ford but I know what you're saying because he's so low he's not for long that's true Harrison Ford what a legend that is a great time I say that because of course I have the same relationship with you to subscribe which is I saw it and I was like I'd watch that right now and I watched it over and over and over again on HBO I don't know how much prep you guys did for this but in addition to listening to the future rewatchable I was like oh should I rewatch a summer blockbuster and then like two seconds later I was just watching the future at like 4pm I only rewatched one movie for this because I feel like I have most of these movies at my fingertips all right Chris you have one more pick that was a very good pick so now we get into the Amanda zone where I was going to pick a comedy don't do it don't do it I think what I'm actually going to do is be true to what my experience of the 90s was which was the most hysterical I and my theater goers have ever been and I'm going to think there's something about Mary which is just like pandemonium it was pandemonium it was pandemonium it was people throwing popcorn up in the air and crying with laughter and running out of the theater and people hyperventilating people coming up to me with tears in their eyes and saying that woman had semen in her hair speaking of things that I didn't know about you know you know like ejaculate as hair products I did not know that and then once you saw it you discovered the whole world that was how I saw my hair for the next 20 years no but you know what I mean like that was the kind of shit that was in comedies back then not like now because of cancel culture why won't they let artists express themselves freely about getting cum in your earlobe why won't they when will they let us do that who's stopping us why do you feel silenced no do you you do you hold the reins real tight you know what do you mean and that bull is bucking under you and one day I'm going to throw you you know you might be right you know me very well there's something boiling inside and then you're going to be the warden of DeSantis' prison in Disney World you're going to be like literally clutching the mic there's something about Mary was again also an absolute phenomenon and a word of mouth movie a movie that people saw many times over and an unusually massive comedy blockbuster like a true like oh this didn't just make a hundred million dollars like it infected the culture in a way some of the humor a little tricky circa 2023 that does happen obviously with comedy the Farrell Brothers have gone on to just make like drippy based on a true story dramedies lately which is a bummer they did have quite a run there the Dumb and Dumber or something about Mary Kingpin run is iconic one of them just directed the pilot for Lucky Hank is that true I haven't watched that series that was done I'm trying to wrap my mind around Mrs. Davis right now oh I watched a first episode that was interesting I'm team Betty though so I ride with Betty no matter what that was what I spent my weekend with before episodes I was going to just pivot to the show that you were reading about this weekend the Diplomat yeah it's happening with all you know women approaching 40 that's where we are we're watching so it's about childbirth on the one hand I appreciate things made about that on the other hand I don't really feel the need to relive it at this moment on the third hand I love Rachel Price and on the fourth hand there are two of her so I'm really torn is it upsetting I'm going to do a little bit of a scouting mission I don't need to watch a lot of stress around I remember when I was championing this is going to hurt yeah she was like a hard no OBGYN drama you were directed at that I haven't watched that I am very much looking forward to it we're as usual in a time where there are like 9 or 12 shows I'm like I might watch that and I do it they're doing it because it's the Emmys and it's like oh and it's not May is just as bad there's like 10 shows coming on in May I'm really pleased to have people that and I also got Zach to watch it with me but now I'm in a situation where yeah and he's traveling this weekend which is like prime watch a show for me time I don't know what I'm going to do I might just have to watch it why don't you just watch it and be like Zach on the flight back catch up with me yeah you want to or you don't what did you think of the Mando finale so speaking of Zach he quit watching Mando halfway through and then the running joke is because I get an email being like your Mando screener is ready for you and I obviously don't log on to watch it before after you're tweeting from twitter.com on your desktop computer I think you should explore the hashtag grogu hashtag me a text have you guys ever done that back in the day early days you could tweet me a text oh yeah thank you for not immediately assuming that just because we're old that's how we tweeted back in the day I appreciate it I tweeted that back in the day no but that's because I'm only on twitter on desktop what I know about the Mandalorian is reserved for you know those emails from like Disney making like your screeners up and then which I don't understand because they just give you the screener at the same time that they give you the episode well some people don't subscribe to the service so they use the screeners to watch the show anyway so now I just the running joke is me asking Zach like hey big news on the Mandalorian this weekend he gets really mad and he's like I quit I don't care about how they wrap up the mythology he's like I told you I'm not a part of that anymore you have kind of Bo-Katan vibes now that I think about it I don't know what that means did Roku talk? I stopped watching it you don't know?
I stopped watching did you watch it? he said yeah his first words were why are they saying that? why won't they tell us the truth? they say that she can't use the dark saber who decides that?
why are they wearing helmets? what are they scared of? this is what way? is that the only way?
who decides? imagine listening to this pod like a year from now do you know what you really like? both of you are on television right now it's the second season of 100 foot wave I haven't watched it yet I am going to watch it I was like maybe they don't I can't believe we're doing this as a people they're flying into the waves with 4k cameras on drones and you're just like I'm there I'm in it when you guys finally posted the watch you talked about 100 foot wave it was very compelling so it's on my list you'd love it Chris Smith is he's very special he is him I think Amanda has a pick now you took the fugitive and there's something about Mary god damn it first of all you betrayed CS2 is on the list CS2 what are we doing CS2? I don't know is when we did the free guy rewatchables that was good okay in Oscar nominee I'm going to take Sleepless in Seattle because it's not being taken away from me again that is the Nora Ephron romantic comedy what do you want directed by Nora Ephron I don't know when Harry Met Sally starts the rom-com boom or the modern rom-com era then Sleepless in Seattle is like okay this is real thing and part of that is because it makes so much money at the box office that it's eligible on this list and many films come after it some of them classics some of them not that good but in terms of commercial viability this is the one that's also very charming I guess this is a Tom Hanks draft for me this is also a movie that feels I definitely saw this movie in theaters maybe twice and was a massive hit for every member of my family both of my parents both of my siblings there is a version of oh I was talking to Kelly Freeman Craig for the pod because we're going to talk about Are You There God It's Me Margaret later this week on the show and I was saying to her I just feel like drama is dead like that genre of PG movie or PG-13 movie that the whole family goes to that everyone enjoys and is not too kiddy but is not too adult is a really lost part like in all culture and has been kind of replaced by as this thing has replaced so many other things like the MCU where it's like and also just like this is going to sound really dumb but I think it's true I think it's really important for like young boys to see a movie like that and to have an open mind about what the experience of the world should be not just because it's women but it's women doing something that a lot of young boys do when they grow up which is like baseball and being excited by women playing sports which is really kind of patently to say that but I really think it had a true power for me seeing it I think a lot of other kids did too Did you go to a lot of girls in high school after you saw this movie and say hey saw a league of their own keep trying sorry they took that league away from you but do you want to have a catch it's t-shirts made I saw a league of their own opening weekend I just wear a racing peaches jersey to every date every first date you would crush in Brooklyn wearing a racing peaches jersey I really would I haven't watched that show that's the other thing too I don't need an extension of this I heard it's very good but I'm all set so that's comedy a league of their own wonderful film can't believe I just said how good it is for a young boy to watch a league of their own I should be shot it's okay we're going to say that again when we talk about are you there God it's me Margaret yeah we'll come back and we'll get even more emotional I cried it's wonderful it's a really good movie uh okay I've got speed a league of their own and unforgiven I have a funky trio should we get more funky you go wild card no that would be silly and drama I'm taking the same private ride okay you are getting funky yeah this is weird because I can't I can't win, because I don't have T2 or Jurassic Park, so I just got to get some, like, fucking good moves.
You win every draft. What are you talking about? I'm on a little bit of a run right now, but I can't win this one because of how the chips fell, but that's okay. I don't know about that.
You got the stuff out there. First of all, there's still a lot of draft left. Second of all, there's going to be a lot of Letterboxd guys out there just being, like, Sean paid respect to winning in baseball. Just spit over me.
That's how funny that was. Yeah, yeah. They're going to say that. Who else is going to say that?
All my ex-girlfriends from middle school. Yeah, yeah. You have multiple ex-girlfriends from middle school? No, man, I will not do that.
I will pay homage to those men and their sacrifice, as will Steven Spielberg. It's so funny that all of these movies, you know, The Fugitive, Unforgiven, Saving Private Ryan, these always came out, like, at the end of the summer, you know, like, almost right before going back to school, which is not necessarily what we think of. We think of, like, Memorial Day as the beginning of when these things start to come out, but even now, I think I'm going on vacation. I'm like, first week of August, I'm not going to be going on.
I can just leave then. If I went on the first week of August, I would have missed The Fugitive if I had a movie podcast in 1982. That would have been a tough beat. That also comes as a surprise to everyone, The Fugitive in particular.
No, we couldn't drive alone. We had to be, uh... Because you're a learners? Because I'm learners, yeah.
We didn't even care less. You get lessons at 16 in Pennsylvania? And Georgia, too. Really?
I also think I pushed a little bit. I think my parents, like, I demonstrated them. You broke the law? Yeah.
Because I learned to drive in Florida and Vermont, high speeds. What other laws did you break? I can't really get into that without my attorney president. Do you like any laws?
Do you ever shoplift? No. I get too stressed out for that sort of thing. Have I ever told you this story about the one time I got detention in high school?
This is sad. I don't, like, sometimes I'm, like, telling stories. We are recording this. Yeah.
So I didn't, obviously, I was a total rule follower in high school. And then, like, the last week of class or something, I, like, intentionally skipped. In senior year? Yeah.
Isn't that, like, it's all open season on that? Right, exactly. No. So I, like, intentionally skipped class.
And, like, almost did it a bit. And then I was like, hey, everyone, I skipped class. And I remember even, like, proudly telling one of the teachers, like, I, you know, I, you know me, I'm always a rule follower. I skipped Bible class, too, because fuck that.
And the teacher was very proud of me. And then was like, that's great. But also, you shouldn't graduate high school without having detention. So I'm going to give you honorary detention.
And I was like, okay. I thought detention. I had to carry books from her office to the other thing for, like, an hour or anything. You did do physical labor during detention?
That's one of the saddest stories. You are a fucking loser. I know. I was in high school.
And then, you know, worked out. I just got in real trouble. I just got in real trouble. Yeah, I just got in real trouble.
Yeah, and now you guys was jam-fucking-out. So. We did it. Failing upwards.
That's right. Yeah. I have some more severe stories of detention that I won't be sharing on this pod. Bob, you ever shoplift?
I know better than to answer that question. A lot of people listen to this. Come on. A lot of people listen to this.
What do you mean, like, the Attorney General? Who's listening? I don't know. Who the hell knows?
Okay. Did I take my second pill? You did Secret Private Client. Yes.
And I'll leave their own. Oh, yeah. And Izo. Okay.
Sequels is pretty thin. So I guess I'm just going to do Die Hard with a Vengeance. Why not? I'm surprised.
Yeah. I thought you would have gone for a clear presentation. I mean, that's the other one that I have on here, but I drafted it recently. So some of this is variety.
As previously discussed in this podcast, we are all New York experts with, you know, lots of opinions about the infrastructure. I did actually watch both Die Hard 2 and Die Hard 3 this weekend because they're, I believe, are on Showtime streaming and whatever. I turn them on and then doze off. Showtime on Paramount Plus or Showtime anytime?
Showtime on demand. You're still capable, right? No, we cut the cord. Can I tell you that?
Someone's got to help me watch a daughter's game, though. Like, I'm dying over here. It's really painful. It's really.
And please don't tell me to get a VPN. Like, I'm not a Luddite despite the Twitter. I will text you the illegal streams. Okay.
Yeah. Okay. Thank you so much. It's just like, you know, I live in Los Angeles.
How can we not figure this out? Anyway. We're finally turning the death ray of the big picture against Rob Manfred and his cronies. I've been waiting years to fucking fix the whole thing.
They just need. It's like, we do MLB whatever because Zach is a Nanny Phillies fan. What an amazing comeback for baseball. It's incredible.
That's right. It's amazing. Welcome back, everyone. Every day, I'm like, absolutely.
Angels, Reds? I'd like to. You know, it's just remarkable. This has been my day one mission of the ringer since I got hired.
You did it. Everybody got here. We won. Anyway, I fell asleep during Die Hard 2 and I was really enjoying Die Hard of the Vengeance.
I do execute on that so that I can watch you get arrested by the FBI. I mean, this is just, there are days where this is my favorite action movie. I don't know why. I feel like I drafted it at a certain point on the show.
I definitely take it. I told my whole DH with a V story. You know, like my friend who's like, DH with a V, bro. But yeah, legendary, legendary film.
And such a shame how none of the Die Hard movies are good after this. Really painful. Yeah, I saw it. Literally Die Hard was on cable the other week.
I was like, let me see. And I was like, man, Oliphant, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, they couldn't make it happen. No, it's disappointing. The pieces are there.
It's just, it's not right. Okay, Sierra, you're up. I want to take something, like you said, little variety. Take something I've never drafted before.
This has become, I think, one of the most beloved big blockbuster action movies of this decade. Maybe it wasn't when it first came out, when I saw it. Because I think, I was like, is this a story? Like, I was like, was this more of like a, even then, I was concerned, I was concerned trolling Hollywood.
But I've grown to really, really adore it. And that is Twister. Which I think part of it is like, as you get older and you're like, that's Todd Field. And that's Philip Seymour Hoffman.
And I had a crush on Helen Hunt. And Bill Paxton is the goat. And you're like, actually, this was fucking awesome. But there was a moment where I was just, I think maybe I was like, so this is just, we're just going to keep picking disasters to make movies about.
Because there was a lot of deep impact and kind of like stuff like that. But this movie fucking rocks. Great movies. This is the only movie I rewatch.
Quite possibly the craziest cast of the 90s. Considering who all those people turned out to be, as you said, Chris. Jan de Bont, following up. De Bont had a headlock there for like eight years.
Well, I mean, notably, he is a cinematographer of some of our favorite movies. Mick Tiernan's guy. The Hunt for Red October and Die Hard. And he shot all those great movies.
And then made Speed. Is it Twister? And then Speed 2 Cruise Control? Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, Speed, Twister, and then Speed 2 Cruise Control. And then he makes the Haunting remake. And then it's fucking lights out. He made Lara Croft Tomb Raider in the Cradle of Life.
But nothing else after that. It's kind of crazy to make one of those movies. Twister is tricky because the premise of Twister, which is about people who are chasing Twisters, so that they can drive a truck into a Twister, so that they can get sucked up and they can release sensors, that can then more accurately read Twister's metrics, is absolutely moronic. It is a very, very dumb idea for a movie.
But it's like incredibly propulsive. It's kind of like a sports movie. It's two teams competing against each other, facing this epic battle. That was great.
We need to talk briefly about Twisters, which is the remake or sequel or whatever. It's been going through a lot, it would seem. Well, Lee Isaac Chung is directing it. I'm just baffled.
And Glenn Powell and Daisy Edgar Jones and Anthony Ramos are in it. I did see that. Okay. Maybe it'll be good.
It was explained to me that this is not based on any of the characters in the film Twister. It's a whole new set of Twister chasing the kids. That's from real is based on the person who inspired the Twister. There's also a lot of like, do you need to drive a truck into a tornado when you have iPhones?
I don't know. I don't know. It just seems like we got a lot of satellites now. We could just be like, damn, there's a Twister coming.
Lee Isaac Chung going Minari to Twisters, even by the standards of 20th, first century craziness of the tours is really something. He's a great director. Maybe it'll be great. Great cast.
A little worried about the Daisy Edgar Jones roulette wheel of movie selection. Same. Glenn Powell, he's taking it and running with it. I'll do set photos with Sidney Sweeney from the romantic comedy.
They're just out of this world. They're just fully leaning in. Very proud of them. Anthony Ramos, he's going to be in a beast war this summer with the Transformers.
That's great. I'd love to be in a beast war. Just be in another beast. Space, going to war.
What beast would you, what would your number one graphic of beast rivalry be? Well, my daughter, the only word that she wants to say to me is rab. Rab? Is that a ram?
Rabbit. Okay. So imagine if I were a rabbit beast. What beast can you fight?
Sure. What's the most dangerous beast can you fight? That I can take down? Yeah.
Armadillo. Honestly, nothing. I'm a 40-year-old wilting man. Yeah.
I have no upper body strength. I tire easily. I need two and a half cups of coffee just to turn the engine over every morning. I'm destroyed.
So I can house cat? A turtle? What about you? Contacted.
Okay, thank you for that. Contacted. I'm trying to think. What's the size comp?
You know? You want something like a kangaroo? Are kangaroos? It's all of me.
Have you seen a kangaroo in person? Certainly happened to the zoo many times. They have kangaroos at the zoo? They do.
They have kangaroos at the zoo. Next time you guys go to the zoo. You like to try? Yeah.
I think that's the first time he's scared of monkeys, remember? But now I think you guys. That's a great day trip. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When it's not too hot. Can you take a kangaroo? I think so. No way.
I think all of this will get worked by a kangaroo. Are you kidding me? That's a wild animal. Okay.
They just have a level of, you know, unabashedness. But the general gravity is a little awkward on the kangaroo. It's different than mine, you know? So I feel like I could get it off.
What's your answer, Bob? What can you take down? I don't know. Like, maybe a small dog.
I don't even trust myself against my own dog. And she's like 30 pounds. They're vicious. You know, animals when they need to be.
They'll get you. This is what I'm saying. Like, I can handle a turtle. You guys are underestimating.
I'm going grizzly. You're going to fight a grizzly bear. Full Revenant. Yeah.
Sometimes you just, like, drop trout at the CR heads. And frankly, it's pathetic. No, I think that, like, I have, like, quick twitch lateral movement. Quick twitch.
Yeah. Off the line. I have my route. I have played basketball with you.
You are a bit squirrely. I'm sure squirrels have to evade bears from time to time. Are you ready to continue drafting? Sure.
Are you up? I think it's me. Because I just drafted Twister. Then we talked about Twisters.
And then we talked about fighting animals. Right. And... So you're sticking with grizzly bear?
Yeah. I'm also like, like, you guys are like, I'm an armadillo. It's just like, come on. Can you tell the difference between bears?
No. Okay, me either. I just, I wonder... Black bear, brown bear?
Yeah. What about polar bear? That I can tell the difference. Did you know that they're the world's most vicious and efficient killers?
Polar bears? Or on them? Yeah. I'm fine.
I would maybe take on a polar bear, but it would have to be on my turf. 17th Street, Philly. Broward County. Let's go.
Okay. Gosh. Can I get a little sentimental? Okay.
For drama. My first date ever. Wow. Not gonna say her name.
Great girl. Ghost. Wow. Wow.
Yeah. Wow. And it was a great time to be romantic in the 90s because you had movies like Ghost. How did the date go?
Not well. What happened? Well, I was in sixth grade, so it was just like, where do you go after you see Ghost? You know?
I'm not Patrick Sleazy. I didn't quite have that hold over my... Did she shut it down immediately after the film? No, we just held hands.
You know what I mean? We were like 13. What was the discourse like between you two? You mean like, how did we get discourse?
Like, how did we get to the point where we were dating briefly? Yeah. Were you talking about, you know, could H.W. Bush get a second term?
You know? What's gonna happen with Desert Storm? Just a lot of like, hey, did you like the Sloppy Joes today? They were pretty good.
Yeah. Did they Sloppy Joes? Yeah, they were kind of fun in school. I didn't mind them.
Imagine going into a restaurant and ordering a Sloppy Joe. That's upsetting. That's what they fed us, and look where we wound up. You know?
So maybe there should be more Sloppy Joes out there. Because you're saying we're strong and successful? Yeah. We're making one of the more deranged episodes of the show ever.
I'm not convinced of that. I think this has been a nice vibe. You do? I just want to remind you guys that statistically speaking, it's very likely that there's at least like 100 to 200 people that this is the first episode they've ever heard of this podcast, just based on how the feeds work.
That's fine. I think that we probably retain, we'll retain like 20% of those people that they'll think this is the best podcast they've ever heard. I don't think anyone's been cruel to each other. I haven't seen you guys.
Patrick Swayze, very important to young Amanda. I just didn't really understand what a pilotist could do. And then I did. Speaking of things, we were introduced to the metaphorical properties of pottery.
I did not know. That was also, I think I said this on there, because Chris and I did a rewatchable show. I did. This is when Bill told us that he thought that this was a realistic depiction of the afterlife.
I think this is what happens. Well, I just remember, this is one of the first times I watched. I'm still recovering from that comment. It's dark, and there are scary things, or you go to heaven.
So exactly Judeo-Christian. Yeah. So this is one of the first times I remember watching a movie, and I'm watching the aforementioned pottery scene, and I was like, I think something else is going on here. I think maybe they're not just, you know, doing ceramics.
Maybe it means something else, you know? So I just... What do they mean? So I don't want to say that Ghost is, like, wholly irresponsible for my sexual awakening, but I definitely, to Chris's earlier point, learned some things from Ghost.
What's always responsible for your sexual awakening, if you had to say? Probably the Warriors. No, I think it was when I finally saw the Tom Harkin film Warrior. That's what love is.
That's actually what I mean. God, I'm trying to think of what is, like, the first true... Well, we've talked about this before, but it was a little confusing to be coming up in the era of basic institutional disclosure, you know? There's some complicated ideas about modern sexuality in movies, and...
I have a couple years, and you guys imagine what it was like for me with, like, Porky's, you know? Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, a movie that feels like won't get drafted here, but American Pie, obviously, was a movie that came out when I was probably 14, 15, yeah, something like that. My first experience with sex on screen was John Borman's Sex Calibre.
Oh, yeah. You know, I've never seen that, and we were talking about it recently. Yeah, brought it to a thousands of dragons. Yeah, yeah, it's like, fantasy-wise, like, the Arthurian stuff is really the only way that I can get into the genre, which is really code for it.
They're having a lot of sex. Well, they do in this movie. In fact, the first sex scene is a man in a full suit of armor having sex with a completely naked woman, and I was like, this is not what I expected. And that's how you've been doing it ever since?
Which is great. Art is so powerful. Hang on. The chain mail takes a while.
Just as long as you don't like khakis, I mean. That's really good. Face plate down enough. Do you think at the exact time I was watching The Lion King for the first time you were watching Excalibre and Crankin' it?