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And this is the Big Picture A Conversation show about humans and not dolls and the 2024 Golden Globes. We are here talking about the first big televised award show of this Oscar season. Amanda, what do you think of the show? First hour, disaster.
Second hour, I don't totally remember at this point because it was so long, but we got a group back a little. Celebrities, some fun awards, third hour, far too long and somewhat predictable. Overall, I like it when celebrities are in a room together. Okay.
I thought it was a terrible broadcast. Often very predictable award show. And yet, and yet, I felt safe. I felt like I was back home.
I felt like I was in a place I know and I can love. I hated the host of the show. I often feel that way. Most of the bits fell flat, but I loved seeing the stars.
I loved remembering the movies that I loved from the year past. I loved seeing clips. It seemed at first like there would be no clips, but they gave us clips. That was delightful.
They gave us clips for certain categories, none of which had to do with acting, which I'm okay with. I feel like maybe in the midst of this absolutely terrible broadcast. And it was, I just want to say, like exceptionally bad. It was handed off to Penske Media, I believe, and their new awards arm and was aired on CBS and Paramount Plus.
And I mean, you know, technologically speaking, we were able to watch it, but that's really the only successful thing I can say. I give everyone a big F. The interstitial, you know, dialogue introducing people was incredibly banal. All of the bits were very forced and took far too long.
The less we say about the monologue, the better. Yeah, Jokoi was not good. He was not a good pick. So much so that he was throwing his own writers under the bus as his monologue was bombing in real time.
You know, it's very common for comedians to bomb in front of actors and filmmakers in a setting like this. I'm not sure if I've ever seen one that bad. I'm not sure if I've ever seen the audience almost revolt on the monologue in real time. And, you know, Jokoi is a pretty successful comedian and has had big time stand up specials.
He top lined a movie for Universal a year and a half ago. Like he's not a complete unknown, but he was greeted as a complete unknown. And after the first two jokes, you tell like this is going very awry right now. Yeah.
Well, he started off with the, I hadn't seen a single thing until they called me 10 days ago, which I mean, it's probably true of a lot of people, including many people watching the awards show, but it's not the way to endear yourself to anyone who's actually either in the room or sitting down to actually care about the Golden Globes. You know, it's a little bit like someone who writes a piece about anything. It's like, I didn't know anything about this. And it's like, well, why are we listening to you?
You know what I'm saying? And then proceeded to do jokes that were just sort of like top line throwaways of all of the movies once in a row. Okay. Award shows are not roasts.
And so a lot of comedians, when they come into award shows, they think that the way to ingratiate themselves is to treat it like a roast. So they just start making fun of the most obvious thing about a movie. So Jokoi came out of the shoot and immediately started making jokes about how long Oppenheimer is, which it is a long movie. So are most of the movies that were nominated tonight.
And it wasn't the longest movie of the year. Kills of the Flower Moon, if you want to make that joke, it's probably the movie to make it about. Yeah. Instead, he decided to make jokes about Bob DeRose growing family.
Which I thought was actually kind of funny if it were inserted to an actually successful monologue. Right. Yeah, that's true. I should be totally honest.
I laughed at the Prince Harry joke. Sure. Well, I also once I got away from movies to TV, I was like, well, I don't really care about these as much. So go ahead.
He was on more comfortable ground when he was not asked to riff on prestige filmmaking in 2023. But in general, you know, it's been a rocky road the last three years for the Golden Globes. They're trying to rebuild their reputation as the signature precursor to the Academy Awards. Award shows in general have just been completely plummeting in the ratings.
And in general, I think most audiences don't think they mean anything. They absolutely mean something else. But when the first thing you show us, first time you're on this new network, first time you're really back in the spotlight as a signature award show, is a guy who doesn't seem to like movies making fun of movies badly. Right.
It's a poor choice. They made a big mistake. Counterpoint, I do think the reaction shots will kind of instantly enter the Internet Hall of Fame. You know, like the meme content that we'll get tomorrow.
And this is like the one that we're recording right after we watched it together. We had like a mostly lovely time to watch it with Bobby, who's in town, and our video, Maven, Corey. And you mostly yelled about various things that were happening. But when you do the podcast right afterwards, you don't get to relive it on the Internet.
And it does really feel like there were, you know, the Internet can make a lot of anything. So you want a 20-minute buffer to absorb the memes before you record next time? I was doing my best in real time. But I just, I do think that there will be like artwork made of Selena Gomez kind of just like putting her head in her hands during the monologue.
And, you know, the Harrison Ford reaction shot, I'd like, you know, a higher quality version of that for my everyday use. These sorts of things. We don't have access to it right now. The one thing that the show achieved, I would say, is that they did actually get true celebrities to show up.
Not just the entire cast of Barbie and Oppenheimer and all the biggest movies of the year, but Selena Gomez was there because of Only Murders in the Building. And obviously TV shows are also nominated, but also Taylor Swift, in part because they introduced this box office achievement award this year. And so she was in the room. And it did feel certainly a lot more than the last couple of Oscars, to me, honestly, like a big award show.
It felt like a big start. Matt and Ben were there, you know, like Bradley Cooper sitting in the front row. Joaquin Phoenix was just in the bottom left corner of one of the angles that you could, you know, because the presenters had a round stage. And so they would face different directions depending on the category.
So you've got a different backdrop. One of the few good production decisions I felt during this awards show. But so Joaquin Phoenix was seated bottom left on one side, and he was not shown on the broadcast except for that corner until like this third to last award where he was nominated for Bo's Afraid. And he got two seconds, and he looked amazing.
And everything I said about Joaquin Phoenix stands forever. That is my king. But they really had absolutely everyone there to the point that they couldn't fit them all in the broadcast. Like Bruce Springsteen, which is kind of also lurking in reaction shots until he became the star of Yorah Sankt-Mos' acceptance speech, which I thought was nice.
Yeah, it was almost two star packs, which is unusual for award shows in the last few years. So in that respect, the show was a success. You know, in another respect, what would you say is the story of this award show? Oppenheimer's going to win a lot of things, which we kind of already knew.
And this is confirmation. And you and I were like trying to identify like surprises among the things, and there weren't that many tonight. And so, you know, that I was even posing Robert Downey Jr. winning Best Supporting Actor as like a, well, we weren't positive, you know, because of the Charles Melton wave.
But he did win. Christopher Nolan obviously won. It won, you know, the last award of the night was presented by Oprah. We got Oprah going, I'm a member!
It was really, really good. Speaking of memes, you know. It was like she's giving away a key. Yeah, it was wonderful.
God bless her. She knows her job is. She shows up. She reads the prompter.
It was a real just trial by fire for people tonight. Can you read off a prompter? A journey with a prompter, yes, truly. A challenge for some.
Not for all. We'll get to some of those people who did well and those who did not so well as we go through this. But I agree with you. Obviously, Oppenheimer was nominated for A awards tonight and it won five of those awards, including director, actor, and Best Drama, and Supporting Actor.
So, you know, this has been the movie to beat. It's the moment that critics saw it. And it's probably the most widely claimed movie of the year. And it just kind of feels like a behemoth to me.
It just kind of feels, it just feels like one of those years. I don't know, maybe like a gladiator year where you're like, you know what? Just get out of this movie's way. Because it feels predestined.
Now, this may evolve. We have two full months now before, you know, maybe more love for the Holdovers grows in that time. And we saw Four Things win in Best Musical or Comedy. Those are really the two movies to me that seem most likely to upend the Oppenheimer year at this point.
And we saw a really strong showing from the Holdovers with two acting wins, which is something that it's probably going to need if it's going to unseat Oppenheimer. And then Four Things also with two huge wins for Best Actress in Musical or Comedy and Best Musical or Comedy. So, it's possible, but it feels pretty unlikely at this point. Yeah, it seems very decided.
And it's really just kind of how many below-the-line Oscars does it pick up? And is it like a, you know, one of those 9 out of 12 or 10 out of 12 nomination wins years, which it seems like it could be. Could be. It's going a lot below the line, for sure.
We saw Libby Granson tonight won as well for score. A couple of things non-movie-related before we really get into each award and each speech. It was not a good show for Joe Coy. Was anybody funny to you?
Who was funny to you? Jim Gaffigan came out to introduce the Stand-Up Comedy Award. You asked me how many hours of Stand-Up Comedy had seen this year, and the answer was quite literally one. It was nominated.
It was the Chris Rock special. He didn't win. Who did win? Completely drawn-blank.
It wasn't Amy Schumer. It wasn't Sarah Silverman. It wasn't Wanda Sykes. It was Ricky Gervais.
Oh, that's right. Three-time close, up-going close. Who could not be bothered to show up? So, that was funny.
Jim Gaffigan coming out and presenting an award for Stand-Up Comedy and also being a Stand-Up Comedian reminded me that there are people who do that well, you know? Yes, Jim Gaffigan being a very funny, a long time comedian. Also mocking the entire Netflix industry overpaying comedians for their Stand-Up specials. A category, I would say, basically five really famous well-known comedians.
I'm not the absolute band guard of comedy right now. This is not a Stand-Up Comedy podcast. I just joke away, but I've seen literally one hour of Stand-Up. I watched a fair day, but it felt very Starter Kit to me.
Whatever. Andre and John Bautista singing each other Super Mario Bros., that was pretty good. That was probably the most genuine moment of the day. Also, Andre, pausing at Strip and leaning into the camera and doing Strip Malls, really good.
Some people have it, you know? And it becomes even more apparent that some people don't when you get someone like Andre on TV making it work. The only other time I felt as happy during the show is when Will Ferrell and Kristen Wiig did their same show. We're going to come out and do a very odd, absurdist SNL gag, and it's going to have nothing to do with the show, really, but we're just going to be funny for three and a half minutes, and you're going to appreciate it.
It did seem like in the room, everyone really appreciated what they were bringing, but that was with everything else in such sharp relief. When you have two or three really great moments, you walk away thinking, like, God, is it that hard? Would it have been that hard to find two more people to do something as good as that? And that's always the case.
Like, we always come out and we're like, oh, when they brought out, you know, the former SNL stars, whether it's Will Ferrell and Kristen Wiig or Maya Rudolph, like, they're always the highlights, but it did feel like there were a lot of, who wrote this for the prompter? And did anyone think about it? There were some really awkward low moments. Let's have a quick chat about Kevin Costner.
You said it, yeah. So, America Ferreira, of course, a supporting actor in Barbie this year. Kevin Costner, of course, a supporting actor in The Story of America, as written by Kevin Costner. Kevin Costner famously not available to attend the Golden Globes last year.
Because he was sheltering in place. Sheltering in place in Santa Barbara, as pointed out to us by Regina Hall. So he's returned. He's finally returned.
And he came on stage, and America Ferreira was doing a very kind of polished reading off the prompter experience, talking about what the bodyguard meant to her as a young girl. And Kevin Costner, you know, you would imagine, would volley back with her about something that she did. And he did. He started to talk about this very famous speech that she has near the end of the Barbie film.
And at first, I was like, he's kind of holding it together. He's delivering in return what she gave to him. And then about 13 seconds into him speaking words, it felt like his brain started leaking out of his ear. Now, I really like Kevin Costner, and he is certainly a lion of Hollywood right now.
But I really was worried that there was something wrong with him, because he just got at a pace. And he never got off that pace in terms of speaking. And he was sort of laughing to himself. Was that like a Barbie mockery?
It wasn't clear to me whether he was laughing because of the knowledge that it was going so badly, or whether there was just like some other joke or event that had the most of his attention, you know, and that he was laughing at while trying to get through this prompter thing. It kind of seemed like right before he went up there, he leaned over to one of his friends and was like, what should I do over here? And then just went up and started doing a Will Ferrell bit, but didn't know and isn't as funny as Will Ferrell, so couldn't pull it off. Either that or he had a hammer.
Honestly, Kevin Costner, a man of many talents, I've never thought of him as a person who does bits, you know, or not a person who would be like, watch me do a bit or watch me take this live TV moment and like, really see how I can play it. But also, not a man of a prompter, you know, really kind of going his own way. So maybe that was the issue, is that he had not actually encountered the Barbie speech before he was asked to read it live from the pop prompter on television, and he was like, wait, this is what's happening? Very strange.
There were some TV awards given out. Three shows were awarded, and I think, were there only three shows made in America last year? Can you confirm or deny that? In America?
Yeah, The Bear, Succession, and Beef. Were those the only three TV shows that were? I think so. The Crown did win one award, but it was made in the UK, as I understand it.
I mean, financed by Netflix, which is an American company, but they definitely, that's pretty British, you know, as these things go. Those were the only shows that won awards the whole night. I like two of those shows a lot, and I just haven't seen Beef, so. Those were three of my favorite shows of the year, so I have no problem with those shows winning awards.
I did think it was a little strange to have, like, 13 TV categories and only give it to a very handful of movies. That being said, or rather TV shows, but that being said, not a ton of movies actually won awards. Yeah, I was going to say. So the movies that did win awards were Oppenheimer's, I said, which had five.
Barbie had two, Anatomy of a Fall had two, Four Things had two, The Holdovers had two, Killers of the Flower Moon had one, and The Boy in the Heron had one. I don't think I forgot anything, have I? No, you're the spreadsheet keeper. Okay.
I was also following along with you in this document throughout and adding my notes, so if you forgot something, I forgot it too. Well, we did your contributions, thank you. The opening award of the night was Best Supporting Actress, as it so often is, at this show and at the Academy Awards. And this is an interesting roster of people.
Some people I'm rooting for here, Emily Blunt, Danielle Brooks, Jodie Foster, Julianne Moore Rosenpike, and Davine Joy Randolph. Davine Joy Randolph has basically been a frontrunner since The Holdovers was released. Yes. And it just feels like that's where this race is, like it's done.
Yeah, but I'm great with that. Okay, she's an excellent movie. Yeah, and I like her a lot in everything that I've seen her in. So this is one of those where I'm like, that's fine, if it's just left out and you can just see someone you like at parties and winning awards.
Can I just flag this, though, as just a broader conversation for the next few months? So this happened last year, too, and then the year before that. Yeah. And there's become a bit of stasis in the acting races, where they become decided very early on.
And it becomes clear, with maybe one or two exceptions, maybe you could have said it this time last year, as I did, I didn't think, that Cable and Joe would lose for TAR. Right. But in fact, she did, for Michelle Yeoh won the Academy Award. Right.
So sometimes there are shifts in the win. And that was, I mean, Michelle Yeoh gave a wonderful performance and, like, is beloved, and that did have a career aspect to it. But that was also, like, the Everything Everywhere Train just, like, rolling along, and just the momentum kind of became avoidable down, like, down the ballot. Yeah, no, I agree.
That explains what you mean. Curtis eventually went on to win for her category as well. This year, I thought you gave a good speech, a very short speech, the first of many people to read off of a piece of paper, which you appreciate it. I do.
I think that, here's the thing that we've got to do, and this is both for awards shows, and this is for, you're giving a toast at a wedding, you're giving a toast at someone's, like, retirement, whatever, you're speaking in public, you cannot have your phone out. You cannot have your phone out. So, if you need notes, which, maybe you're nervous, maybe you want to get it right, maybe you don't want to get someone, have it on a piece of paper. Why is that better than a phone?
Because the phone is just, it's tacky. Like, you could be on TikTok, like, what do I know? You know, maybe you're vlogging. It's, like, just no phones.
It just... What if I had, like, a giant board on an easel, and I read from that, but it was handwritten, and it was, like, I had to flip the pages. So, it's, like, SNL cue cards? Yeah.
Are you breaking someone with you? Yeah, I'm like a guy who was, like, my body guy. The question is, are you able to read from them, or are you like Kevin Costner? And you're just like, where am I?
Yeah, it depends on how big the font is. Okay, well, I'm so glad you brought that up, because someone had, like, size 18, at least, it was visible to me from the TV. I think it was a winner of our next award, actually. It was, yeah.
For Best Supporting Actor. Robert Downey Jr. won for his Bert Moppenheimer. I thought he gave a very funny speech, as he often does.
He's plugged into these. So, do you think that every joke he made, he made quite a few. you in his speech was written um from what i could tell from the incredibly large font that was on the piece of paper that he was holding yes it was the the rhythms of the speech and i think the punch lines i don't know if it was word for word but i do think there was a roadmap there let me ask you this yeah did he write those words i don't know i don't i don't need to cast aspersions like that i like preparation you know i like that he came ready and that he was not reading from his phone i found it amusing during the 2019 2020 awards run when brad pitt was winning this award at every award show that was another word where we were like back in september we were like this one is done actually back in july this one is very similar what's happening for our foundation there are some folks here you know willem defoe and um mark ruffalo were nominated for poor things robert de niro for kill is the flower moon ryan gosling for barbie charles melton for may december which you mentioned was a big wave of late um a newcomer that people are excited about but this certainly feels like somewhat maybe somewhat similar to this um the michelle yo award in that robert jr is being recognized for yes three and a half four decades of great performances and so he's very good and also now that he has won something and gotten up on stage and been like the incredibly charismatic robert jr making the funny jokes right amount of self-replication it was just like oh yeah there we go it just all clicks into place yes this is one where you haven't been seeing him win as many critics prizes because robert jr is so hollywood and he is so the embodiment of iron man marvel and the box office that and because of the sense of inevitability about this award i think we started to like tell ourselves like oh maybe there is a charles melton play here you know maybe gosling i don't know where i could get it but um that seems unlikely it seems like robert jr's to lose and he was funny you know i liked the speech i liked the jokes he made the first of a few pointed references to the new golden globes and identified the golden globes journalists who voted on this award um do you care about the ethical state of the voters of this award show i mean i i think it's better that they're trying than what was previously going on which was as best i could tell the exchange of of money for or goods for votes and also just you know gross interpersonal behavior like on the part of pretty much every every voter so yeah i mean it's better if it's not that do i want to read all their work i don't really you know i'm not gonna go by line hunting you get a call tomorrow morning amanda we've just heard your podcast episode thank you for your thoughtful words about our show we'd like you to join we'd like you to be a member what do you say no i want the call asking me to produce the show why don't you and i produce i was like careful you were still here no i don't but i was like i i definitely could write better interstitial stuff you wouldn't so first first move yeah yeah canceling his 10-year contract my very brave vision okay that guy doesn't get in front of the microphone again fair enough what other notes are you bringing to the production of the show i'm gonna stopwatch and i'm gonna make all the someone run all the presenter lines and if it's under i'm sorry if it's over two minutes we're gonna cut that down okay and maybe i'll keep the clip saying the same no you want all the acting clips what are you talking about i do not need to see the sixth nominee for limited tv miniseries or movie like acting real i'm really sorry i don't need to see it i have things to do i have a child i gotta get home you know talk about your child asleep we're watching the show there's tv's on it's grown-up time show me people acting that's what i want to see that's why i'm here for movies sure again once you get into the tv thing no clips for tv but more clips for movies maybe three scenes each per actor for movies but the tv people nothing okay i'm gonna pitch another thing what if instead of being the producers you and i just get to pick the clips for everyone oh my god oh my god i just i'm available for that right now and then i'll be there to make sure that you are efficient and no i want to spend weeks on this what are you talking about reviewing the materials you can prepare for as long as you like i just mean the final product is not going to be you being like well let's just show all of killers of the flower moon you know i feel my love would it have been a better use of everyone who watched this telecast time tonight to just watch killers of the fire absolutely i agree exactly that tonight god bless her um do we have an early review having her back from her so hopefully she's not asleep i pray god that she finished and if she did extra love tonight okay uh best green motion picture this one was fun this was really interesting this is the most interesting thing i think that happened tonight yeah which is that anatomy of a fall uh justin trey and arthur harari's script one now of course the oscars there's both adapted and original screenplay anatomy of a fall is an original story created by trey um and this one is not really being tabbed anywhere like this is a an unusual choice i would say in the marketplace of awards right now and that's exciting that is a marketplace of ideas it is that's like around the corner other aisle um just just past the drive yeah um and i mean fall of course a wonderful movie that we talked about on the show um and you know that doesn't sound like a former president but more and more people are seeing and loving every day i had two separate conversations no but it's true i did as well yeah i did as well basically critical i finally so a long conversation with christmas like phoebe about the movie which was delightful um and another friend as well was also texting me was like hey dog i saw this movie fucking sick bro um which i agree fucking sick bro uh justin trey had one gave a good speech for this uh this award you know she'll be computing original there's also an adapted screenplay we also have a chance to talk about the decision yes well maybe justin trey will be very happy because i think most people felt like the holdovers would be the big beneficiary of barbie moving out of original because there was an expectation that barbie was the frontrunner in the original screenplay race that film has been um clarified classified by the academy as an adaptation uh john apatow tweeted his discontent about that and then many people quote tweeted him saying he's dumb i have no opinion about that either way i do think barbie is uh i do think barbie is ip um and it is pretty clearly ip because there are like literally dozens of movies and tv shows featuring the character barbie so um i think that's not unreasonable i got you that one huh it's just something about like people like quote tweeting john apatow quote tweeting the academy being like in a plastic box it's real and i did not see but it's really not only do we live inside of this we perpetuate this culture every day by talking about it here the two of us and i'm so proud of us for doing so um i do think anatomy has a chance to win um academy yeah probably not a good chance but it has a chance it feels like it's a holdover still at this point for me i think that's true holdovers wasn't even competing in this category which is very strange yeah and i don't really know what to say about that because it's not like the actors in paul jimani and david runoff both won so this movie was on people's radar i don't know maybe it's just a condensed like one category i do want to talk about her speech because she it was short charming also pre-written typed out smaller font um but i like that she was prepared and she was talking about the unlikelihood of this movie being made and all the subject matter that it doesn't you know make it seem appealing and she listed um a couple fighting suicide a vomiting dog and so i immediately said suicide did she just spoil anatomy of a fall and i guess if you haven't seen anatomy of a fall i'm not going to say anymore but i did wonder whether that was giving away something that we argued about at great length on an earlier podcast it's very possible that it was that would be an odd place to reveal her ultimate feelings about the story that she made and then ultimately made ambiguous right nevertheless crazy things have happened no no i'm just pointing it out um it was not her last time no on stage uh she won another award which we'll get to momentarily um this was one full hour of the show just those handful of awards there were a couple tv awards thrown in there as well um there were no clips during this period that's right yeah uh that did lead to a best picture non-english language which was also a win for anatomy of a fall and another speech from justin trier um fantastic glass by the way from justin trier i said it to you at the time she was very amanda coated in her styling i just felt like that was ripped from your closet oh thank you that's very kind i mean it was a velvet suit as best i could tell i don't own one of those do you think that's something i should get into a velvet suit yeah um not when you're childbearing um but maybe other times i don't know it was dark velvet so like maybe the stains wouldn't try head down to the ice cream shop and see what happens um films that were nominated in that category include fallen leaves io capitano past lives society the snow and the zone of interest notable that past lives and the zone of interest are not to be heard from tonight yeah past lives over the weekend won the national society of film critics award for best feature which um then kicked up a whole mess of people complaining about past lives which i don't really respect and i'm not interested in um i'm i'm i was on quote tweeting jones at twitter so i wasn't part of that i was just litigating the politics of a plastic box two different yeah there's at twitter and there's film twitter and you know never this way unfortunately um anatomy of a fall is obviously not going to be nominated for best international feature at the academy awards because it was not selected by france essentially the taste of thing it was which was not nominated here interestingly um but rules so wonderful um but maybe that means that anatomy of a fall has an increased chance to win for screenplay because it will not be able to be recognized although saundra holler could also be recognized in best actress which we'll get to shortly um i think it just means that anatomy of a fall is not a lock then like really likely for best picture i'm thinking it's been kind of floating at 9 10 11 12 13 on our lists and there it's a very dynamic list right now but yeah 8 9 10 11 12 is dynamic yeah i would say 1 or 7 is the definition of not dynamic it's not changing it has not changed well we could talk about 7 some number 7 sometime which is a film just like just another time i guess my show did not win anything tonight either and um i'd like to have a cooper corner sure we just discuss that film and it's what's going on in seven and a half minutes okay let's keep going through these other categories um so we're going in order we're going in order yeah chronologically you didn't tell me that well this is podcast hosting i don't know what to say just stay excited uh immediately after justin triad won her second award natalie portman and florence pugh came out and they introduced uh the nominees for best motion picture animated your favorite category uh for any of these films congratulations some of them are good um florence pugh of course she provided uh not one but two voices to the dubbed us version english version of the boy maheron natalie portman has provided her voice work to the simpsons and also to the television program bluey so i think these are grand choices to introduce this category and they seem really committed to their work so i want to thank them for that the boy and heron one yeah miyazaki's masterpiece um i i thought there was a chance spider-verse is going to do really well because it's just such a love movie i don't know if you saw the letterbox here in review but a lot of fucking people liked spider-verse it's like very big on letterboxes here but not for the academy awards and not for the golden globes apparently um i'd love to get breaking news from you you know like where would i learn things i didn't have you to tell me probably just like your phone um that's not surprising when i do think it's going to now win the academy awards yeah the miyazaki film um this also this category resulted in you just yelling why not where are they when it was announced that the producers weren't available to accept the award yeah what are we doing big time the globes you were really interacting with the screen tonight this is what i definitely like to see a movie with me every time i'm just screaming if you do that in a movie theater i will i will choke slam you to hell i will absolutely give you the tombstone like there's no way you can speak at that volume in my movie theater that's just something i'm putting out in the world but with mixed company such as bobby and cory i feel comfortable okay you okay with it i mean it was funny thank you um the next category that we saw uh which it seemingly took three more hours um was best director motion picture i thought this was a little early so give us a word but now in hindsight i see why they did it which is get some distance between best drama and this category uh the nominees in this category were riley cooper gregorway he wrote the most christopher nolan martin scorsese and salient song chris nolan won sure did his reaction was just like a nod of the head like yes that's correct thank you for also being correct no matter what happened tonight i was going to be the winner very regal but like you know some people he seemed comfortable yeah he's just coming off a very funny acceptance speech at the new phone critics circle last week i thought he gave a very good speech um he cited the fact that the last time he was on that stage he was accepting the award for the lady ledger who he worked with on the dark night film um he noted that when he was giving that speech he locked eyes with robert downey jr um which is interesting because one year later robert downey jr would be iron man and then that set off an era of hollywood um and now they are united obviously in oppenheimer and he called killian murphy my partner in crime for 20 years which i thought was interesting i've obviously worked with her many times but there was this i i felt this kind of narrativizing of the nolan killian thing and obviously killian murphy's competing for best actor he's universally appreciated as an actor but i don't know if he's beloved because he's kind of he kind of stays above the fray you know he doesn't live in hollywood he doesn't seem to get involved in like the bullshit hijinks he's just like a married guy i think he lives in ireland yeah he rules he's so cool yeah there are lots of memes about him on the internet though where his like favorite hobbies are he likes his family he likes sleeping yeah i mean he's a wonderful actor but i thought that was a clever way of framing them in this race um and obviously you know everybody else is his wife and it's a family affair at this point uh for the nolan machine can i ask you something about chris nolan and his other acceptance speech sure and the peloton yes so you just didn't see the video how long do you think you could hold the weights out like that while podcasting and should we try that sounds like a summer episode um how heavy are the weights i i didn't zoom in but i would guess they're five pounders they might be a little lighter it's not like a it's not a bulking pod hi bobby oh bobby's three hi bob thanks so much this is so fun bobby waving three through the weird observation window okay three pounds um how long could i do it yes you're holding them out like this okay so indirectly in front of your shoulders i love to podcast with you so um i think yeah i could go the entire pod hold on hold on hold on hold on but i am a new yorker and i talk with my hands and i gesticulate sometimes wildly while talking and so i think i would it would be hard for me to actually perform because i would be having the weights in my hands and i would feel like i was like uh in a in a in a rack or something you know like i wouldn't feel like i could be myself so you think that you could keep your arms straight right but it's only because you wouldn't fully be able to express yourself yes bobby can you can we get a review is she moving them around you have never been more wrong i know that i know that i know that but before i dropped the hammer i wanted to know whether him gesticulating with them would be allowed in the context is she moving them is she doing any sort of movement or is it just a static hold i did not watch the entire peloton video but she might have done some raises some shoulder raises yeah yeah anything to kind of like break the because the endurance is the hardest well i invited her to the positive come on in um peloton lady and come sit with us and we'll talk about it i would be really excited i will give you 1,000 american dollars if you can go 90 minutes holding your arms out straight anyway you have something real on the line for christ's sake 1,000 american dollars we could do better than that what about your everlasting soul bob come on i don't think you could do that five minutes five minutes i don't bobby it would be a serious challenge for you to do that five minutes just five minutes three pounds and honestly we should just go head to head and i bet i could go longer than you well i did not i didn't have it on the table are we playing five minutes on the table i don't think you could do it i don't think that you understand i live weights today now what are you talking about i live weights that's insane that's really insane i think i could do it i think i could do five minutes okay could i do one hour let's let's honestly like i bring the three topics in tomorrow could i do 22 minutes no could i do one episode of that's 22 minutes no no i don't think that you could maybe you can make it to like eight i don't know if you can make it to ten i honestly think five let's get peloton sponsored the whole thing you know let's get this lady involved let's make a whole show of it let's raise some money for charity why not you know i'm up for it i don't mind i'm certainly not being embarrassed i'm absolutely not in the peak health right that's why i'm saying yeah um that being said christopher nolan doing peloton that's hilarious uh him getting dunked on whilst doing peloton taking a peloton class hilarious him then destroying the career of a peloton instructor at the new york film critic circle is even funnier than the other first it was all great a plus content from everyone involved do you think that tonight she was afraid she would be referenced from the stage i don't honestly i think i know i think peloton instructors live differently you know um and she has seen oppenheimer they found her she liked oppenheimer i didn't find her she put something on the internet to identify who she is so that she could glide off of this moment and get more money right again i wasn't tasked with this moment exactly so you have to be afraid that she's probably disappointed but they did they do an snl sketch about her i don't know i honestly couldn't tell you i'm really old now so i don't watch it here we are number one podcast for all your stand-up comedy and also network comedy christian wigg and will ferrell doing one schedule that closes all the snl will be watching this year unfortunately for me um let's go to the next category okay best performance by an actress in a motion picture musical or comedy and tasha brino the color purple jennifer lawrence no hard feelings natalie portman made december on the poisty for fallen leaves margot robbie for barbie m stone for poor things this featured the funniest moment from a nominee which was while jennifer lawrence was being shown she very impressively mouthed the words if i don't win i'm leaving and then gave the i'm out of here signal i'll tell you something if they showed a clip we wouldn't have gotten that moment uh no because when they show the clip don't they put the picture in the frame or no do they not do that no and you get like a much shorter focus on that i mean obviously yeah come on let's be real yeah i guess you're right that was very funny jayla just she's a great being a comedy star i'm all the way in now it's great and then she did not win emma stone won for poor things and she and emma stone are like i think and so her reaction shot of emma stone winning and her genuine enthusiasm like she was at an nfl game was what was that for that or for the fact that you then leave um or maybe it doubles i think i think it was at first like fake outrage like she was leaving and then she realized it was emma stone and then was like genuinely happy but she didn't leave i feel there's been a lot of requests for an episode about poor things by the listeners of the show i feel like we have done the right thing which is i wanted to see if this was going to happen it did happen which is that she won here and the film won for musical or comedy which we'll talk about in a moment and now we can really dig into the movie as more people see it emma stone said i see this as a rom-com right how do you feel about that delineation well it's not but that's okay i guess she said i see this as a rom-com but where bella who's her character falls in love with life which is that's fine that you can also describe working girl that way you can describe barbie that way in a lot of ways so it's not an actual rom-com but anything to get people to watch your movie is barbie a rom-com no working girl i struggled with a lot it might actually not be a romantic comedy what about joseph farman no yeah not this cut anyway it's a romantic comedy but he falls in love with himself nice yeah well put um have you been talking with folks out in the world about the film solpern you've been getting out there shaking hands and kissing babies and saying sir or adam have you seen solpern let's discuss it here in this diner um tour for solpern viewership you know i asked people who watched it what they think it was about so what do they tell you what's on the street it's like i don't know like uh you know i like mgmt2 or um it was i don't yeah it's a true story uh my wife watched it on thursday night and i caught the final 20 minutes with her and after she was like i thought that was pretty good and i was like interesting cool what'd you like and she said you know great costumes it looks beautiful i was having fun i said what's the movie about just stop talking and then she was very pointedly this is what it's like to be married to me i think she was like why does that matter oh okay i think it's a good response fair um nevertheless stupid movie uh okay best performance by an actor in a motion picture drama the nominees were bradley cooper killian murphy lino di caprio colman domingo andrew scott and barry fione um you were really mad that this was done so early in the broadcast even though it was done at like was i yeah you were like why are they doing best actor so early we've got so many awards to give out i think they had like eight more awards you were doing like a real like i'm out at a restaurant and i'm like trying to like banter with the the waiter except like it was just with the screen and i was just there and so were bobby and corey well no one was sitting like near each other like bobby was in the like top left behind me and corey was like four rows back behind me and you and i were on these couches in the screen room here at the lovely spotify offices but like they were far apart so it was often like what what's going on what a wild show this is like not a normal speaking voice we also have reached the point of our lives where we're very sensitive to the volume of the commercials which were very loud but it was like it's true for the viewers at home yeah i know but we were real just like i can't hear anything i'm trying to make a joke we need to turn this down yeah so i apologize for my reaction with the screen and treating it like it was a server at a three-star restaurant yeah but you were yes one of the things that you were bantering on about was like this is way too early and what are they gonna do now wasn't too early for killing murphy he won right on time right on time i did actually the peloton thing did derail you for like five minutes uh call that out of the pod bob uh killing murphy did make reference to another well-known meme which is that there are no chairs on customers on sets he pointed out that there's a complete lack of seating options for his actors on sets um he said one of the most beautiful and vulnerable things about being an actor is you can't do it on your own can't do it alone uh that was a good good quote i mean he's the man he rules he's so great he started that he got up on stage and was like first thing do i have lipstick on my nose which he did from his wife and then he's like i'm just gonna leave it there it's very endearing very comfortable in his own skin um so i think to me the biggest question coming out of this show and it's correlated to what we saw in the best actor in motion picture comedy or musical which we can talk about momentarily but i think a lot a long time even in like uh awards prognosticators in the bag markets it's been killing murphy versus bradley cooper you know it's been oppenheimer versus maestro it's been two great men up against each other two real-life stories to biopic type stories um maestro hotly tabbed for years produced by spielberg and scorsese and a dream project for bradley cooper we both like the movie um but it really feels like the air has come out of the balloon in a big way and so now perhaps the snippy balloon has been deflated and he's been left in the vestibule um and his awards chances were left in the vestibule yeah after after this win and after this lovely speech by kelly murphy they cut to bradley cooper who was seated the maestro table was front and center it was right around the ring spielberg was at the table and it was just like a very classic like bradley cooper i'm happy it's fine everything's okay they lingered on him and he was really giving that was kind of mean that they did that the only thing that i'll say is that um bradley cooper is also a noted eagles fan and um it was not a good day on that side of things either uh as i know from personal experience i went from one horror to another so you know maybe he was working through things simultaneously i don't know okay so this is this is premature i'm curious how you feel about this what direction will this push bradley cooper to because we have this understanding that he is very desperate to be recognized in how it halls of the great actors and great directors going all the way back to seeing him in those early clips inside the actor's video where he's very sincerely asking great filmmakers and actors how they do what they do he's still doing it he started crying in front of michael man you know it's like everywhere he does it was like you got a stock letter you know and that michael man signed no offense and then like michael man literally to his face in that video it's like i do that to every i send that to everyone who auditions for me okay like it's nice but my guy has like turned it up really really high is he going to become the joker and i don't mean in the film the batman i mean like will he just make him more thirsty or crazier more you know desperate to be acknowledged for something like this or you know the other thing is that like bradley cooper has not really been making a huge effort to be a commercial star in the last five years he's obviously been able to play rocket raccoon in marvel movies and that's kept him in that space but like you know america is like a 400 million movie that is entirely on his shoulders like he is actually in the last 15 years when he wants to be one of the most commercial movie stars we have but he's kind of moved away from that in some ways the stars weren't very well but it's still very tourist and very complicated movie and maestro is a real director's movie you know it's a complicated and borderline abstract biopic of a great man so i guess i'm thinking through like what is this going to do to him because it's a very low low low level of humiliation you have to go through when you feel like you're doing something and it's clear to everyone who's watching that you want something and they won't give it to you you know it's just real charlie brown in the football right now with him so will that make him more daring will make him work in a more obvious register i'm curious yeah i i don't know the thing that's so interesting about it is also that what reads as you know it's very obvious that he wants and that's great it's good to want things in life you know go try i want to hold two three-pound barbells in front of my face for five minutes without breaking that's what i want but i think you you know in the same way that you and i are both obsessed with the oscars and also like make fun of people who care about it too much and i make fun of the cat people who are sliding up for free screens you know just like these people are desperate you know we there was something that we maybe don't like quite look down upon about really wanting it that much but we try to distance ourselves from it and i don't think most of hollywood is that way and he's beloved by hollywood he is like the most popular guy in hollywood everyone loves him and i think that's sincere but that sincerity works for everybody else so maybe maybe it doesn't feel as humiliating and maybe only we think it's humiliating maybe we're the problem i'm not the problem i'm rooting for him i hope he wins i don't care you hope he wins over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over i think i just wanted to win something get past this like that's kind of what i'm circling is like i don't want to see another like important sounding movie from bradley cooper i want to see a fun cool movie from bradley cooper like get into your if you're gonna be a filmmaker get into your scorsese get into your pulse and get into your whatever it is like stop like doing things where you're desperately reaching for the recognition and just do something that feels more real and raw and unusual my show shows you that he has it in it there are sequences in the movie where you're like this is a very bold filmmaker but on the whole the subject matter etc etc i don't know i'm curious about it because it's not just that he wants it a lot of people want it most people want it when you get under the surface everybody wants to win so it's not about that it's just that he's just such a like a volcano of a person like you can see when it's getting ready to blow and so he can't help but seem hungry for the thing in a way that many people are able to kind of but i don't think he has a chance of that really but not a year like this oh no no i just mean long term yeah i mean he might actually be nominated this year but there's like seven or eight people should be nominated at him in my opinion nevertheless um killing murphy won let's just go right to best actor so just so we can put a cap on the gmodi thing okay well now we can go out of order well it's helpful in the flow of this conversation best performance by an actor in motion picture musical comedy nicholas cage for dream scenario timothy shalom for wonka matt damon for air paul gmodi for the holdovers joaquin phoenix for bo's afraid jeffrey wright for american fiction gmodi won of course i'll give a very good speech um another actor who i think is beloved but who has a much lower profile than your cooper types uh there's definitely a world where he could win um i don't think it's likely but i think that as more and more people see that movie and not very many people right it's on peacock now it's been on vod for about six weeks a lot of screens being held it was a perfect movie over christmas i think a lot of families watched it over christmas uh i heard the phrase instant christmas classic from more than one person when i thought to him about it uh you know famously didn't even get nominated for sideways it was later nowadays for cinderella man like a year or two later as i can make up even though that performance is you know fine compared to sideways and people love him in pain so it seems very plausible to me it feels like much more like the races now gm versus murphy rather than murphy versus cooper what do you think that also seems like one where the glad handing and the just like really working for it which paul giamatti is like doing in his way you have cited the mark maron episode of um with paul giamatti to me multiple times um can i tell you can i tell you what film they discussed lovingly for about three seconds on that pod yes the equalizer free yeah yeah you sent me the clips so i know that i listened to it so i'm on a plane watching equalizer three that's heaven right but that's the sort of thing where he keeps doing that and he keeps reaching people bit by bit i mean killing murphy seems so like cool and just you know inaccessible in his like irish wonderland with his lovely family that that maybe he'll i mean he's been showing up to everything it's not like he hasn't been campaigning beautiful yeah yeah but it just seems like giamatti could do like an old school oscar run coming around the corner exactly yeah that'd be interesting two uh music categories best original score motion picture uh louie granson jerskin fendrix robbie robertson mika levy daniel pemberton and joe hisayushi uh great category you yelled it is great category a lot of great nominees a lot of great films in this category every film in this category is superb um granson won yeah i'm not surprised you know i honestly prefer the tennis score the tennis score is at its world okay that's rainy night in talon that's what that's what we'll play for you while you try to hold out oh my god then you'll lose okay i will absolutely be rainy night in talon just mark it that will be my soundtrack for when i dominate for four minutes and 59 seconds before collapsing into a pile um that's the original song uh barbie what was i made for by billy alish and phineas barbie dance the night away by dualipa she came to me uh i think it's a romance by bruce springsteen and patty siopla uh the super mario brothers movie peaches by jack black barbie i'm just can by mark ronson and andrew wyatt and uh rustin wrote to free by lynn kravitz so all your favorite story is in this category listen many of them are dualipa lenny kravitz who bobby tried to claim as a marker uh in his in his generational war to be millennial instead of gen z he claims that he knows about lenny kravitz he was there for the start except the facts yeah what what you think i don't know about lenny kravitz i don't understand you don't know lenny kravitz who was the guy i really know i don't who was the guy who you knew about that i was like that means you're gen z i don't even remember oh josh peck yes there we go okay um he doesn't know squat about josh peck okay that's fine you keep trying anyway um my beloved dualipa didn't win my beloved mark ronson did not win billy eilish won for the most boring of the barbie songs what was i made for i thought her fit was cool i have no comments on this category of this win uh all right let's talk about cinematic box office you've been complicated moment here on the telecast so this is a new category looks an awful lot like a category that the oscars uh attempted to insert into the programming and that many people shouted down those people had uh i think a very good point which is why would you give an award to films that already got an award which is the most money at the box office um nevertheless the golden globes they persisted and uh they got this award on the show congrats to them the nominees for that award were barbie guardians of the galaxy falling 3 john wick chapter 4 mission impossible dead reckoning part 1 oppenheimer spider-man across the spider-verse the super mario brothers movie taylor swift the heiress tour i suggested to you that the only reason they did this this year was to basically get taylor super mario brothers um mission impossible a bunch of movies john wick that otherwise would not have been nominated and yet they gave it win to barbie right of course was the number one movie at the box office right so was that how it's gonna go every year they're gonna be like number one movie at the box office i wonder what's gonna win this year like what's the point of this like what is the achievement they made the most money or something else no i mean in this case it seems like they were relieved oh we can give barbie an award so we don't have to give barbie any other awards and you can get marco robbie on stage and gregorick on stage and they all got up which was um a sign to me that perhaps they knew there would not be another opportunity to be on stage you know very this is ungenerous but this actually felt like maybe you're not winning any oscars yeah you know it's a little bit like this is what we think of you which is kind of rude i mean i'm not saying the movie deserves that but this is a bullshit award and they shouldn't be giving stuff like a highlight awards where we're attempting to clarify artistic merit you can make the case that artistic merit it's an illusion in the first place um but like they got their prize barbie is a massive fucking sensation and everybody involved in it will get to live forever on the glory of being a part of barbie which genuinely took over the world of movies for weeks and weeks and weeks so i find this whole thing stupid i do as well but they got what they wanted because they got to have margot robbie and gregorick on stage they got taylor so shut up she did with miles ellie's wife i thought she was gonna win and i thought getting her to go there yeah that was the whole point and they just didn't do that instead she just gossips with and gomez uh in some of the reaction which were also very good i enjoyed that yeah there was one in particular where selena gomez seemed to be telling taylor something extraordinarily interesting and unusual we'll never know what that is we think it was i honestly i'm not up to date but i think that selena was closer to timmy and kylie than the rest of us so maybe it was about that we haven't gotten to talk about the timmy and kylie cam yeah would you like to i thought it was riveting um i thought that kylie looked beautiful okay and uh they seem to like condoling with each other in public places so why not okay i have no comments okay um we already went through best performance by an actor in comedy or musical that takes us to best picture musical or comedy the nominees were barbie holdovers excuse me barbie poor things american fiction the holdovers may december and air uh poor things won i did i've been thinking a lot about the two golden globes members who i sat next to in venice who were just loudly trashing poor things how do you think they're feeling tonight you think they're in the room i i assume they're asleep because they're in italy um and not watching the golden globes live uh but i could be wrong maybe they stayed up till 3 a.m to watch yeah uh there was some commotion because not all of the new golden globes voters got to attend the golden globes and they were mad about that i saw that i also saw some consternation from producers of films who were sitting all the way in the back yeah to that i say what a shame um yorgos lontemus accepted the award he directed the film a very strange thing happened um bruce springsteen as we noted was there yeah and yorgos lontemus kept gesturing towards bruce springsteen and noting that he was his hero yeah and that he inspired him yeah which if you asked me to name the 100 musical artists that inspired yorgos lontemus bruce springsteen would not come up that's true yeah i mean that would be an interesting dissertation trying to find the influence of one on the other you know it's a free idea idea for some student out there you were sort of talking during the beginning of this when he was just like wow that's bruce springsteen you know and i found that really relatable we were talking a little we were talking a little bit about um whether we would you and i would give good acceptance speeches where we ever you know called up to the stage and i think that was i wasn't asked i think i asked you and then you just kept looking straight ahead so it's nice if you frame it that way but that's what i was like i think that i could do a good job but the energy would be very like oh wow that's bruce springsteen like hello bruce springsteen you know it would be sort of distracted um so i i understood after that what do i say after that yeah nothing you say nothing you ask me nothing there's no follow-up just go about your day watching the show no interaction no time for me i noted interest i don't know whether would you print out your speech in advance no i never do that okay sorry excuse me i i like to give speeches off the cuff i have written speeches before um i've given i gave a speech recently that i had like uh on like a teleprompter type of thing but i for the most part like my brother's wedding yeah i often don't okay but i do this for a living as long as there aren't any phones i hear you that's very respectful um i thought do you think bruce springsteen has seen dogtooth i can't believe you think bruce springsteen fly all the way to la and sit through the golden globes and like watch billy eilish yeah who made him do that what are you talking about i don't know did biden make him fly to california to leave new jersey i don't know once you have like reached a certain level of cultural achievement uh-huh that's just like he has to put up with enough don't you think he's another one of those guys i know he likes being in rooms i do like i if i was bruce springsteen and i was like i wrote a brassie my friend like i would not be leaving my house i'd be like i did it well that's i'm just gonna get some cheetos and just just hang out but that's you on a saturday like i made it through the week i'm not leaving my house yeah i'm having some cheetos incredible way to live um i just think i felt it was a little disrespectful he was like barely shown except for during a response speech um well let me see this since it was so disrespectful what do you think of the song addicted to romance written by bruce springsteen have you heard that song i've not okay well who's being disrespectful now as i said i only pay attention to the songs that are used in the film itself you know i know that's a great rule i respect it you wouldn't know because bruce springsteen sings the sun in the first five minutes in the film yes no he doesn't know but i'm just showing you didn't watch the movie either who's being disrespectful now okay best performed by an actress in a motion picture drama the nominees are lily gladstone for kills the flower moon caran mulligan for maestro sondra holer for anatomy of a fall net bending for naya readily for past lives and kaylee swaney for priscilla first note i want to make is i know kaylee swaney is very youthful looking but she looks like she's 13 years old it was just very strange she's like in a box with reda lee is very glamorous right now and you know sondra holer reda lee is really killing she's crushing you know net benning is like this this old dame of hollywood now you know best like a 12 year old in the frame it's crazy well that is part of what she was able to bring to performance that was material to the role i just want to say the best net bending reaction shot was it was like a wide crowd shot and all these people were gabbing and then and that is like between you know breaks and net benning is just like looking at her phone very angrily i was just like i relate i don't know like a bad news alert yeah exactly i don't know like some appointment got received well she's like that's not how i plan my day my acupuncture is fuck i related to it so hard uh lily gladstone did win and i thought she gave the best speech of the night um very very moving very very thoughtful uh very very serious and sincere um and aware of the of the moment and not afraid of it yes and prepared also to speak about the largest significance of her winning this award she said this is a historic win it doesn't just belong to me she talked about uh reservation kids and growing up a native person and spoke blackfoot language and acknowledged this extraordinary really complicated and often terrible history of native people in hollywood and in films she was uh very warm towards her fellow native actresses in the movie and also towards arty and bob and leo yeah the three men who uh helped get her in this movie you know she's absolutely amazing in that movie i was a little bit unsure about the lily gladstone is going to be emma stone thing tonight was the first time i was like oh she is yeah this is actually gonna happen um which i don't really you know isn't either good or bad it's just i was a little doobie it felt kind of like an internet thing if that makes sense right right right and also a little bit of we all love that movie so much i love her performance just like we was willing it to be like critical communities and kind of scorsese fandom and all this stuff colliding and i wasn't quite sure and this may not be true but my feeling on it was even though emma stone is wonderful and poor things and is beloved it actually does remind me a little bit of michelle yo and cape lanchette where it's like cape lanchette had one already emma stone has one already this would be a historically significant oscar it's a great movie that everybody loves it's an incredible performance it should be recognized the movie may not be recognized in any other category so i felt like the knot was kind of tying when she was giving that great speech which you know as i said it's like kind of moving into itself to be like she's locked it up but it did feel to me like she is now a leader in that category i think so as well um the last category was best motion picture drama oprah handed it to emma thomas and um she gave a speech about all the great people which you compared favorably to or unfavorably to being ricardo's um just a great moment in podcasting history well uh just the third hour is is it over probably i mean what upends it at this point what do we have left we have the sag awards we have the baftas which in are increasingly strange um both because they are sort of constantly renovating their voting process in a way that just doesn't make it as much of a bellwether um and also just because your choices get made over there respectfully to um britain which is a place i like visiting last year um i'm sure i appreciate your service i was thinking about that you think you'll be halted at customs next time you show up because of your words about the baptist i don't know i'm seeing through your podcast on january 7th 2024 in which you disparaged our national television and i was like hey remember when we went to you and that's dope that's really cool and everyone who met there was really lovely i agree i love london that said i don't know what's going on with the baptist so i don't think that that could dramatically upend the big picture the big picture is the best picture so what else do we have i think it's a quadrilogy of contenders okay um shout out to all my alien blu-ray boxed heads with the quadrilogy reference uh and you're out there somewhere please contact me there's so few of us we need friendship um oppenheimer yeah poor things the holdovers yes and uh i don't know what's like off the top rope because kills the flower moon in the market so speak is still running at number two uh i don't think that's gonna last for long yeah yeah so if you had to guess code of past lives or anatomy of a fall i mean it would be like it would be one of unlikely um well past lives seems really unlikely and that's you know i say that i absolutely love that movie but i think if past lives had won tonight in any of the categories that could give it the boost that it needs for people to be like oh you know maybe i should take that more seriously yeah i think a screenplay win would have been very helpful for that movie um in not getting that but then you know like you said anatomy of a fall that's screenplay and that's an international feature so i think that certainly helps it at least in terms of securing the nomination i don't think it has a chance to win no doesn't seem to have that same wave that say like and it's hard for an international feature foreign language feature to get that place you know there's definitely an oppenheimer poor things holdovers triangle um oppenheimer flakes at the top poor things and holdovers are here but you can see a world in which the triangle tips over you know you can see poor things is still only playing in like 800 theaters like it still hasn't gone wide and i don't know why i don't really understand this release rollout i'm of course not an expert when it comes to these things and maybe they know the plan for how to make the most money with this movie and it is a divisive movie people are walking out of movies to this day but people also love this movie there's like a huge passion for it so it just it hasn't like hit you know it's like not everyone has a chance to see right now and so we're late in the season for that's the case and i'm trying to wrap my head around why and it's like are they waiting for it to go wide when oscar voting starts are they waiting because it just doesn't have the same level of like did you see that did you see that it's a festival movie still in many ways right now right so i'm trying to figure out like what that's about because oppenheimer's the opposite everybody's seen oppenheimer i don't know who hasn't seen it so i don't know if that's a miscalculation maybe it's a perfect calculation maybe they don't want to get too far over their skis with this they want to take their time come out of nowhere to win what do you think i think also still some of the initial timing had to do with the fact that they need emma stone promoting this the strike wasn't over till mid-november and so how fast can you get the machine rolling with emma stone behind it and then what are you competing against i think to put it we've never seen an oscar movie like go wide december 15th and do well well i mean in the last five years that used to be the playbook but now i think we've really noticed that like a christmas movie doesn't kind of buried yeah the only time that i felt like this that it worked in recent years was 1917 which obviously didn't win right but it went wide before christmas was a huge hit and got a lot of awards buzz and got a lot of buzz releases like that's where it did really well and it felt like all the way up until that night there was a chance yeah but there is a difference between a world war one like drama and and poor things which is a sexually adventurous coming-of-age story about women i mean you release 1917 and christmas and then all the dads are like let's all go together so i i even understand the difference there yeah it's unusual there's not a lot to compare it to i can't remember i mean i don't even know if it's gonna end up in 2500 theaters may not i mean never play any screens who knows um nevertheless it's interesting anything else you want to say about this for a brief moment we thought that it was gonna be two hours instead of three you didn't completely shut that down last week when we were talking about it you were kind of like i don't know and then you picked up your little laptop suitcase and like walked out the door really fast so it's a very accurate description of how i operate with you as soon as we're done i gotta go it's like the case has little handles yeah the case i have a bag it's a bag that the laptop goes into like all working professionals i don't know you're making me sound like i have a case and then i put the laptop in the case wow this is it you come apart there's something that's low handles so do you not have a separate case i don't know that when i started to stop laughing i remember it's being filmed okay anyway i thought this was gonna be a great breakout i thought it was gonna be two hours and this is what happens when you talk something it's only two hours and then it's three hours plus well this won't be a problem when you're the producer of the show next year congratulations on that i think that we can do good work i want to take it till you're gonna hold it together under pressure i think this was a not a good not a good telecast but not a bad award show if that makes sense i think this is the thing they have the materials the golden globes has tv and movies so you have tons of celebrities like the celebrities per square foot is the highest it's gonna be which is just a great idea that's what we want we want celebrities interacting we want the fan cam on timothy chalamet and kylie tenner you don't but like someone somewhere does and you get a million of those and that is like what generates i want a giamatti fan cam you know what's he getting up to i really i did not get to pay as close enough attention to all the many reaction shots because there were a lot of them so and you know they have booze they have no boo hot sushi from will ferrell was the funniest thing that was out of the night that was just really good but it shouldn't be that hard to just have famous people in the room with alcohol and give them trophies and have them look hot well we'll see you here next year for your post-game interview after conducting like maestro cooper which i'm very excited for you it's a huge opportunity don't screw it up who's your host it'll be you just because of all your wonderful segues you know you're ready and that way when you things go very wrong i can just jump you off stage i'm renowned for my skills with uh comedy in the face of celebrity that's really where i thrive is being funny around famous people uh well man thank you so much as always fierce service here in attempting to humiliate me with weight lifting uh i want to thank you yeah that's much appreciated um you know i want to thank bobby wagner who's our producer on this podcast i want to thank mcconnell for his work on video team here tonight uh i want to thank the erstwhile hollywood press association for they're no more they were thanked a couple times tonight and then other people are like well actually they don't exist yes they were a hive of scum and villainy they've been eradicated and they've been replaced by a bunch of other people who we don't know and we'll never meet um they did just a bang up job tonight so shout out to them uh thank you the movies the movies this year were wonderful and i think we have a couple more good award shows the rest of the year until then we'll see you later this week when 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