The 2024 Movie Star Ranking: 35 Under 35

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And this is the Big Picture, a conversation show about movie stars. It's been 18 months. Did you know this, Amanda? I did, because you said it at the other last podcast.

That's right. 18 months since our last 35 under 35 movie star ranking. This is our fourth time doing this exercise. We started making these rankings during the pandemic when we were bored, and there were no films coming out, and we decided as aging culture analyzers, we had a good feel for who was and was not a movie star in the world.

We've been told by fans of the show, we don't know what we're doing. I don't care. I persist. Once again, this exists in the universe of this podcast, which is me and Sean making things up.

So this is according to us. We had like a rousing discussion with some of our video producers before we started this podcast. They have some opinions. I have to tell you, they probably won't be considered.

If you have some opinions, I love you guys. Thank you for all you do. Shout out to Leia. Shout out Jack.

Shout out to Jomie. But if you listening at home have some opinions and you want to let Sean know via social media, it also won't be considered. This is what we do. At AK Dobbins, please send those.

Yeah, I checked that right, really. Movie stars, the reason they do this, obviously, was that we felt that they were waning in the culture and we were trying to lift them up in some ways. And I actually think in the four years since we started doing this, they actually do matter a bit more now. Maybe not quite to the extent when we were teenagers, but something is burbling.

We were in a transitional moment when we started this, and we were also in a moment of a thousand think pieces about what happened to movie stars. And what happened to movie stars was essentially Marvel, except for Deadpool. He has to be Ryan Reynolds. Oh, he does?

Does Venom have to be Tom Hardy? Well, we'll see. This will be the last chance for Tom Hardy, as we learned. We'll see after that.

Maybe not for Venom. Maybe not for Venom. Right. So that plus we were just kind of a generational gap.

You know, the 30-somethings were edging into 40-something, and many of the people that we are going to discuss today were still on Disney. No shots to Disney, very important. Training ground for basically all of our movie stars. Critical at this stage.

Yeah. So everyone has aged up a little bit. We are moving. I don't know if we're totally moving out of the superhero period, but it's tough times over at Marvel.

They haven't finished the Superman movie yet. James Gunn's still tweaking through it. So none of those people are on it. I think he just started on that movie.

You wouldn't know it, okay? You would think that he's just been in a lab shooting Superman for his entire life. That's fine. But you also have things like Dune, which at the time we identified as obviously a franchise phenomenon that is not superhero-related, that is big and bold and great, and also features, undeniably, like a new generation of movie stars.

And it was sort of like the movie doesn't work without the movie stars, and also they aren't really movie stars without this movie. So it's a fun time to talk about it, because Dune 2 looms large on this list. It really does. It actually crossed $700 million this past weekend, which was the threshold that I threw at you and Chris when we first talked about the movie, and I said, can this movie get over this number?

Because if it does, this is like mega success. Is there a separate spreadsheet where you just write down random numbers and planetary alignments through which you get... This powerful tool that God put inside of my skull keeps all of the box office tracking data. 18 months ago, did you know that?

What was 18 months ago? Can you even fathom the power? 18 months ago, so this is April, so that was like November 2022? It was November 2022.

That was the last time we did this. And in that time, probably in the last three, let's say seven months for the sake of argument, these are the movies that have happened and that have had success. Wonka, Dune Part 2 you just mentioned, Anyone But You, Bob Marley, One Love, Civil War, Immaculate, Love, Lies, Bleeding, and Challengers. Now, these are not the only successful movies, but all of those movies have success.

I was just guessing to the Challengers scores when you said Challengers. It's just like immediately. I feel like we could just do an SNL sketch where like anyone says Challengers and then they start playing and I just start like... I was playing it for my kid at home this weekend, it really worked.

She's like, what is this? Yeah, Knox did not like it in the car, but I did make a lot of videos of sports highlights of him to the Challengers score. It was really good. I think most people who watched it didn't understand the joke.

They just thought I was very proud of not snucking, which is fine. I'm seeing Jalen Brunson okie-dokie-dokie set to the sounds of the signal. I am not seeing that. I wasn't at home.

I just got mercy. You know, like, please help our family. Yeah, yeah. Please.

Water in the desert. But we're talking about this. Why are you a Sixers fan? Out of all the Philly things that you have forsaken, why the Sixers?

I love pain, you know? It's the closest I can get to a Mets fan experience in basketball, right? Just cursed. Awful management.

You just get close. There's talent, but it's just never enough. And I just need that in my life. For more or less a quarter century, this was also true for the New York Knicks.

Yeah. No longer. We are riding high on this Monday morning. Who will you face in the next round?

It looks like the Indiana Pacers. Is that good? Who got the Pacers? Tyrese Halliburton.

Pascal Siakam. Oh, I've heard of him. Former Toronto Raptors. Obi Toppin, former New York Knick.

Okay. I'm ready for 10 season. Okay. I'm ready for a movie star season.

Great. All of those movies that I listed, though, feature at least one person who appears on our list today. And some of them, that's not entirely true, more for her. We were like, give her the Bond movie.

They didn't, and then she graduated. To clarify for people listening at home, to qualify for 35 and under. No. No, under 35.

Under 35, that's right. So that's the thing. You have to be under 35. 34, yes.

35, no. What about 33? Yes. What about 37?

No. Okay. We've divided math here on the big picture. More math.

So we have a very specific calculus for deciding. As soon as we actually make the list. No, I think about it. I calculate it every time we think about one new person on the list.

What is the math? Do you remember the math? Yes. It's 50% things that you've done before.

So like the past. Your CV, your filmography. Yes. 25% what's in the cooker, what's coming.

And 25% start quality. You're right though, that like sometimes what's next wildly over-influences what you've done. Well, the problem is, is that what's next is still full of possibility. And often you're 50% of your CV.

We have a couple of great examples where it's like you have a lot of stuff and none of it panned out. There are Oscar winners on this list and I'm like, eh, I don't really think they got it. And they have an Academy Award. So yeah, it's a tricky thing.

So you want to talk about who's moved off and what's changed and what's shifted since we lasted this list. Because it's hard for people to become very famous in Hollywood at this level under the age of 30. Most of the people who end up making our lists are in that 29 to 34. Right, also we're really old at this point.

So like the 22-year-olds, we're like, who? It is true that I am increasingly having trouble locating 22-year-olds who will matter in the world. I think that's a good thing for me personally. I do think it is healthy.

Yeah, but again, the people listening at home, especially if you're Gen Z, you know, our list may not be what you see in the world and that's fine. One day you'll grow up and, you know, and be old and have your own opinions. Nine stars aged out from the last time we did this. Nine critical stars.

This is actually quite a powerful group of people who have moved on. You want to read them? Lashana Lynch, Simu, Anand Armas, Vanessa Kirby, our guy Glenn Powell, who I think really could have just catapulted to the top. He would have been very near the top and he is also now going to have an interesting battle in 35 over 35.

Another was pretty close to the top of the catapulted in Jesse Plennons, Zoe Kravitz, Emma Stone or Emily Stone. Here's what I'd like some clarity on. I know that that is her name and how she wants to be called in real life, but are we still, when professionally speaking about her, supposed to say Emma Stone or are we doing Emily Stone? I can relate to this.

I'd like to henceforth be known as Stephen Fennessey, which is my real name, but I had to change it because there was another podcaster named Stephen Fennessey. I would like to honor what Emily Stone, aka Emma Stone, but the rules have not been totally made clear to me. It's Hollywood, man. People are just doing it all the time.

Yeah, and Daniel Kaluuya. Remember when Prince was like, I'm a sign now in order to get out of my contract at Warner Bros. The Today Show in 1994 lost its mind over that. Do you remember how many magazine covers and Atlantic Think piece essays?

You only listen to the records when he was known as the symbol, right? You don't listen to anything before that? Yeah, exactly. Also aged out.

I don't know why I thought of these people, but I thought of two more people who would no longer qualify. Awkwafina, who like five years ago I think very easily would have made this list. I think she did five years ago? Maybe she did.

But she's kind of like taking on increasingly supporting comedic parts and we're not seeing as many movies like I've ever watched her. I mean, she had her moment and then it didn't quite convert movie-wise. I don't think I've ever heard you say a word about the actress Karen Gillan. So that's a Doctor Who thing, right?

She was in Doctor Who. Did you mention him? Yeah. Cuts.

These are the people who didn't make the list before we started the countdown. I feel good about who we're taking off last year's list. Yeah, the only one that is fairly egregious in terms of our math is Letitia Wright, who in the time since we last made this list literally became the new Black Panther in a movie that made millions and millions and millions of dollars. $800 million.

But it didn't do as well maybe as they hoped and there were extenuating circumstances that led to that decision and I think we all collectively feel now she wasn't put in a place to succeed. She doesn't have any films lined up in the near future and this was a factor for me. What she's doing next. She was a bit of a controversial figure and away from that franchise it seems like they'll let that franchise settle for a while now.

Biggest thing coming out of that movie I was like, man, I miss Chadwick Boseman. So that's not great for Letitia Wright's standing on this list. But this is an example of where you're 50% of you've done something and it was something big and it didn't. She's done some really good work.

And again, I think if 18 months ago and we kind of knew that probably she was going to be the next Black Panther but that would be weighted very heavily in the 25% of it and probably over-weighted in the look of what's coming. You know what I think she should do? Play Venom. Harry Styles.

We cut Harry Styles. Yeah, he was like our token 35 LOL spot last time. He was making movies. Yeah.

He was in the final cut sequence of Eternals. Remember that? He was going to be a Marvel superhero. He was in My Policeman which was your favorite film in 2021.

I did see that. Yeah, I saw it too. And we'll see something of course Don't Worry Darling which is a disaster. And I don't think he has another film planned.

He seems to overturn his music. And he was the specific disaster of Don't Worry Darling beyond the direction and ideas. He was playing Jordan Peterson loyalist in that film as our call. That wig and that facial hair that's a really funny reveal.

Stephanie Su, she is good. You haven't seen The Fall Guy yet. I have seen The Fall Guy. I don't want to do anything about The Fall Guy.

She's in The Fall Guy. She's working steadily. But she's in like nine minutes of it. And you're like, why is an Academy Award nominee Stephanie Su in this movie for nine minutes?

Right. And also the last time that we made the list she was not yet an Academy Award nominee but it was about to happen and you could really feel that in the air. Yes. She could come back.

She totally could. It's a little bit of a timing. It was a joyride last year. It was a very fun movie.

Fun movie but didn't really make it into the box office. So a little bit tough. You're for her. Joe Alwyn?

He's okay. He is in it a bit. It's almost a songwriter. Okay.

So a singer-songwriter that you may have heard of Taylor Swift recently released an album called The Tortured Poets Department. As I understand it, this album is the music equivalent to Kieslowski's The Decalogue. Is that true? Very long piece of work but very meaningful.

This is her show up. Yeah. They're 31 tracks. She just surprised released a double album.

I wouldn't say that Taylor Swift has cheated any of my calls about editing and making choices. But that's okay. She's still Taylor Swift. And going into the album we knew that it was a breakup album and we assumed that it would be about Joe Alwyn with whom she was in a relationship for like four or five, six years.

It's been like a very long time. And then it turned out that the majority of the album was about Matt Healy who she had what we thought was a dalliance after Joe Alwyn. So there's a lot of back reading now and the consensus theory is that she and Mattie have been an off and on thing for maybe a decade. How exciting.

And then it didn't get out and she's pretty pissed. So he takes most of the heat. Joe has, I think the Black Dog is about Joe and that's a good song. Okay.

But for the most part I think that if he wants to promote Kinds of Kindness now he probably safely can. She's called off the Swifties on Joe and sent them towards Matt Healy. Is that something that was actually enunciated? Not like in a way that I just said it but I think the signs are there the Swifties know how to read through stuff.

Interesting. Yeah. We'll come back to this issue. Also cut Jonathan Majors of course because he may never work in Hollywood again.

He has been revealed to be at a minimum a terrible person based on some recordings we heard maybe even something worse than that. I was a huge fan of his as a performer even as recently as having seen Creed 3. I felt that strongly about him as an actor and I think he really, really has an incredible talent but has gotten himself mired in some terrible things in his personal life and I would be surprised if he'll be back. In the Pipeline I'm kind of I'm all the twixt in between about this.

This is always the hardest part for me as an inveterate list maker what gets cut out. So in the Pipeline we've made some good choices in the Pipeline previously you can go back and look at our previous list. Here's who I've got for these people are coming up soon. Dominic Cessa.

He's only made one film The Holdovers. He left a very strong impression. He absolutely smashed awards season. He ended that list.

We wanted to recast him as Robert Zimmerman aka Bob Dylan in A Complete Unknown. James Mangold declined our offer. And now all those spot rotsy photos are coming out. It's true.

We'll get to that too. Mikey Madison keeping my eye on her she is the star of Sean Baker's new movie and Nora. She was one of the stars of what is Pamela Amblin's FX show? I can't recall the name of it.

Four things. No. Something like that? Four something.

I can't remember. It doesn't matter. She also was one of the stars of Hollywood. She also was one of the stars of Scream 6.

Very better things. That's close. She's one of Pamela Amblin's daughters in the show. I've heard some good things about Sean Baker's movie.

I'm looking forward to it. I'm flagging her. You want to go? I would like to.

Honestly remind me later some interesting developments in my personal life that might require a trip to France. So let's sidebar that. It's an incredible life that I lead. Letting you lead your life.

Nicholas Galitzin? I don't know. I still haven't seen an idea of you. This is like a type of actor who's being cast in a type of roles that are supposed to be for me.

It's supposed to speak to me and it is not yet speaking to me. He was one of the stars of Red, White, and Royal Blue. Yeah, which no. I didn't think it was very good but it was seemingly a big hit for Amazon.

And I gave you also an Amazon film. The thing is that these streamers now are starting to develop their farm system. Right, but if he's Noah Centineo then Noah Centineo's not on any bar list. Last scene in Shazam!

Fury of the Gods which you also I think were a big fan of. I did I think watch some of that. I mean I fast forwarded it at home. I put Maya Hawke in the pipeline.

I just know she hasn't really led a movie of any significant scale yet. She's been great in supporting parts. Right, but isn't she She's very charming on Stranger Things. She's also, I mean she was in Maestro.

She was in Asteroid City. These are small parts. They're small parts but you're just like oh it's Maya Hawke. You know that it's coming.

And then isn't she one of the major voices of Inside Out 2? I don't know what major voices means. necessarily but she is she is one of the characters i mean you now you are the one disrespecting animation uh maybe just my hawk's participation in it i really like her i think she's very talented also just historically very pro nepotism and i think anybody whose parent is famous should get a real honest shot of this and i'm proud of her speaking of kai gerber also this is probably cindy crawford i thought surprisingly funny in bottoms i liked her she's really good yeah she's she's you can see her making moves yeah and also famously looking hot in like two frames of that one at the beginning yes that's right but that's really that's what we have yeah but she's kai gerber she's kai gerber uh gabriel abelle i'm not sure i would have remembered him from the famous if i had not just seen snack shack and i saw snack i was like that guy that guy put that guy in a real fucking movie soon because he's really great uh mahala i think we also could regret this i'm not totally sure probably depends on what happens in industry season three oh that's tv yes i know well she was just going to be a role behind her um yeah you know it's tv first kieran and shipka what's she up to she was in a also a big amazon streaming horror movie called totally killer that was kind of like a 80s homage like john hughesie back to the future style horror slacker movie that did very well and also i saw her love and she seemed to be very famous at that screening and surrounded by like nine people who were all there yeah yeah so you know she's like at capri club from time to time yes capri club yeah so i'm just like what i know about her is just on instagram and her like turning east side places that are supposed to be comfortable for middle-aged adults into that's not i'm sorry to break it to you that is not the energy of that place i was there early and i love it and she's welcome there too but i don't know what she's doing in movies is my point i just know what she's doing in her social life what about your girlfriend moana as i said in the back this is on you i thought she was in mean girls she was very good very good in that we'll see how moana too pans out does voice acting mean anything to you like can it ever mean anything for this list i mean i think it has a little bit in some of the people so yes sure that's and it's because the people the actors are associated with movies that people just talk about all the time in love and that's beautiful i see you at harris dickinson i woke up in the middle of the night i was like we forgot harris dickinson how tall is he he's tall how old is he he's young he's like 27 27 yeah should there be a height minimum for this list i mean he's gonna be in the movie with nicole kidman he's in blitz you know ironclad you loved it yeah he was wonderful yeah excellent uh he was in triangle sadness that was nominated for a lot of oscars yeah another film you love i just i'm just saying we have to rely on movies that we openly dislike to be like of course triangle sadness i didn't hate it as much as you did i just thought it was a huge step back for ruben uslin who i liked and i defended in the past and i was like ah shit you might be what i thought you weren't yeah it's a tough one we'll see he's actually had some very very fun he had a hilarious review of harvey it was just like this is the death of society it's very very funny uh teen subdivision do we need a teen category here or is this just weird we're old i like i don't care about any of these people you know any of these people are i know who finn wolfhart is i know he's actually not even a teenager i know who jacob he was like barely in the ghostbusters movie he's just there to like tell slimer to not eat pizza i was surprised by how not big apart mckenna grace was his counterpart mckenna grace she is good she sounded jacob trombley is the room guy uh yeah and the other thing that i know about jacob trombley so you know how rebecca ferguson subtreated one of her co-stars and then one of the great memes was like it's jacob trombley obviously joke i don't know anything about this young person the funniest thing about that meme is that jacob trombley is that jacob tromble and in the scene that they share together rebecca ferguson eats his soul and it's one of the scariest things you'll ever see she abducts a child off the street and kills him so hopefully i don't remember that did you see that yeah she wears a hat right rose a hat that was very good um okay now is the really like agonizing stuff yeah these are people i don't really understand why they're not on the list and i do understand but i don't understand like i can't accept it but also i made the list with you obviously and i'm like why did i not why am i not fighting for rachel senate i also love rachel senate one of the funniest people in the world but it's still her next thing is like she's the new lena donna like she's making the new girls like could it be more sites i think release all of it right now i mean more and just like that and give me rachel senate in girls gen z okay i honestly think this is a good idea for all culture but in this case in particular i think it's amazing i think rachel senate should just take over curb your enthusiasm like i think it should just make curb your enthusiasm but starring rachel senate she's not playing larry david she's playing herself but doing the same mode of improvisational comedy as she like grows it's like entourage meets curb your enthusiasm as she's becoming famous um incredible and bottoms incredible baby she's great yeah but you know there's two small any films and then like a bunch of tv so that's why i love bottoms bottoms well there will be bottoms representation on this list it's logical but i don't feel good about it steinfeld here's the thing hawkeye was a tv show correct and i don't know if they're making more of it she is going she was in a singer scene i remember in the marvels in the marvels that's right um so i think she's gonna play a pretty big part in marvel going forward but to your point earlier maybe that doesn't mean a whole lot she's dating josh allen that is that's cool quarterback for the buffalo bills who honestly is terrifying i hate playing against him just very upsetting to watch the jets play against what do they talk about why didn't i make a list josh do you think that hayley talks about how she can become part of taylor's like wag nfl wag group i mean she's in it right aren't they friends i i don't think that she's like in the box you think she's on the outside looking in well i mean she's a critical rival yeah so she's not there do you think hayley would be willing to break up her love affair with josh allen to get in the box i think that's a downgrade for her you know i think she's kind of like doing the jb taylor thing right now and she's got to write that as far as she can well they didn't win the super bowl mike feist yeah did you know that he already has a grammy and an emmy i did not know he has two of the four he has a grammy for both of them are for his participation in d-revin hansen which we won't hold against him but apparently you can win a daytime emmy for a live performance that you do on the today show which he did from d-revin yeah opposite ben black i don't know what the performance was i didn't click that far yeah that's right um i didn't know that yeah i don't know whether that i don't think that's a real egot situation okay you know well are you on the committee well it's like sports emmy daytime emmy these are not in the hallowed emmy they're not part of the prime time award ceremony i'm i don't really stay up i can't think about harris dickinson and not about what daytime emmy's i'm a huge mike feist fan and i really enjoyed all the mike feist uh social media this weekend there's a lot of him dancing great dancer i want to read you um some films from the next person we cut from this list um we didn't cut it not yet it's not yet gotten a spot on the list we cut him from the final list you know he was a contender i think i think more like we didn't elevate him yet oh that's a nice way of thinking about it here's some films that this person was in jurassic world fallen kingdom which one's that i don't know detective pikachu he's a star of you saw that right i did see that so does he play pikachu or is he like the pikachu is ryan reynolds that's not a joke oh yeah i do remember that and he plays a boy and so and like he like is the real boy who holds hands with all the pikachus and is like let's go south con that was the original title of the film they shortened it uh for marketing purposes he was the star of dungeons and dragons no we're keeping that away from alice for now just focused on disney princesses at the moment he's the fourth coming star of i saw the td glow 24 movie he was in the voyeurs opposite sidney sweeney he has been a lot of stuff his name's justice smith i don't think he's a household name at all and yet hollywood really likes it they keep casting him in these big movies he's been in a lot of movies in the last eight to ten years someone's got to say yes to detective pikachu but oh i disagree i think that was a hot property not to me but to somebody who wants on the time i think that movie is okay yeah what are its merits um i'm gonna mention that honestly i think so is the pikachu self-cribes he is a detective what is the nature of the crime uh it's a genocide he's came down here to see who's doing him he was the inspiration for the jesse fleming part okay uh he's out riley keog yeah you're a big man riley keog is elvis's granddaughter not sure if you knew that i didn't know that but she controls the state now yeah she is 34 years old in 340 days so it's just about over for her in terms of contention really love seeing her pop up in movies yeah she's wonderful she was also great on daisy jones and sex did you ever finish watching that i didn't it was pretty good though yeah it's a tv show though so flewood back though you know i'm a little this is mystifying to me but that's i was listening to flewood back on the way in what song little eyes okay great congrats riley keog for missing the list and to you for listening to the radio uh naomi haki didn't quite make it yeah she's she's interesting she's starring in blink twice the zoe kravitz direct directorial debut coming out this summer so that's pussy island rebranded pussy island rebranded to blink twice okay how do you feel about the title change pussy island was more memorable i agree and also it was like in the tabloid so much now that to me it will always be pussy island maybe you should just refer to it as such on the pod going forward let's do by the numbers before we officially get into our list yeah but this is spoilers okay i won't do biggest rise or biggest fall we'll do that at the end but there are 14 new entrants on our list for last time from 18 months ago how do you feel about that she's right okay no other commentary we're doing a podcast here you're the numbers guy right because i mean you're just gonna tell me do you do you feel like there could you could have had another life as like the movie stats guy the version of the baseball guy those movies i'm glad you're asking that baseball game they're like this is the fourth time that someone has like caught a ball in his hat on the left field line you know in pittsburgh in 1983 or whatever in a quiet moment of reflection this weekend i thought to myself we all know podcasting is all about asking your podcast partner questions but the best way to be a good podcast host is to ask questions you never ask good questions you only ask questions that are either insulting or diverting which is quite remarkable it's actually impressive skill uh you want to do the list i think they're amazing questions yeah you can start with the biggest fall because that will lead us to our number 35 great great point i chose this this was your call i knew this innately the biggest faller on our list now she's not off the list she's still on the list but the biggest fall right but position 35 is sort of like a joke position it's like we're putting you here to kick off the list with some energy and you'll be gone next year the biggest faller from 2335 is brie larson now we've gotten some charges against us that we're anti brie larson on pod probably yes listen what is it that doesn't click um the only thing that she's done in the last five years that i can remember is all the marvel movies and nissan commercials so i'm not really vibing with either of those projects i think in the last five years she's only made two films those films are fast x and the marvels oh yeah fast x not her fault but a true debacle for her she's giving a genuinely bad performance in fast x she's only acting with her eyebrows it's one of the weird yeah but i mean that she's also like clearly in a little green screen room that they set up on the set of one of the marvel movies you know like very makeshift and someone's in her earpiece reading whatever it's like not her fault again not put in a position to succeed but she did not succeed uh she didn't make a tv show in this time lessons in chemistry based on the hit novel oh yeah uh which i never watched but i listened to multiple episodes to watch describing events from the show it didn't sound like a good show no it was not a good book either okay the dog marries a lot the dog you like dogs i do like dogs yeah how's your rich dog going well it's a long-term project we're scouting we're scouting various breeds you know various lieges we have to go to scotland you know oh some dogs okay what do you think you know for that if you put an expense report for you for scotland i bet it's wonderful yeah and the sun never comes out no offense to scotland it's very gorgeous it is beautiful there arthur's seat i've climbed it and i've sat upon it great wonderful place um you know that you know what arthur was really into swords and also the holy grail yeah if we had modern mental health analysis arthur would be in prison he would be like the joker i would be in his seat okay on the throne great if you know there's a few things we'd wear me in arthur's space switch roles where he comes in and he hosts the show who's like arthur and you're playing josh hartnett that's a great w for you uh shang chi and the legend of the ten rings fast acts on the mortals that's just not what you want no shang chi is okay i kind of liked it yeah in hindsight when i look back at the last five years the the cbi at the end was so so bad yeah awful third acts but i thought first of that was really fun uh relapse was 30 35 adria arhona finally my girl so you wanted her in almost exactly this spot 18 months ago yeah based on her work in six underground triple frontier and you've just seen father and and and and and was she had and where it was like eight years ago okay it was not eight years ago um you know i watched the first half of it was really good and then my husband just kept watching without me and i was like well there that goes she also was in the film morbius oh i didn't see that it wasn't good okay she's gonna be a hitman i've seen hitman she's she's appealing she's very beautiful and a lot of charisma she's very she's doing some interesting things in this movie this is this is we're weighted towards what you're about to do she's in a supporting part in zoe kravitz's like blink twice um i suspect after hitman she's gonna get cast in a lot of big parts yeah so this is kind of a this is a bit of a lottery ticket pick i think it makes sense to me i think 33 is kind of sort of a lottery ticket pick too this is the first edition of a euphoria cast member now you mean in this list we've had euphoria cast members yeah but that is that is their the dominant theme on this list is doing too and the the minor variation is euphoria i have a third oh and maybe it is the one which the twain shall meet yeah which is one time hollywood if you take two part two once upon a time in hollywood and euphoria which are you know three three things i like you're not a big euphoria fan but they seem to have been huge launch pads for a lot of people here so hunter schafer is number 33 hunter schafer she was in the hunger games about a songbird and snakes last year um she has a lot of stuff that movie was so long it was two hours and 19 minutes but yeah it felt long maybe it was two hours and 40 minutes it was it was really really longer than i needed to you don't like singing and despite songbird being in the title i didn't expect for rachel zeigler to be giving lumineers concert and she has a beautiful voice rachel if you're listening keep fighting the good fight but she has commented on this list before oh she has oh you're right yeah so i think she's having a tough time picking parts she's incredibly talented and i just went in with some different expectations about what that movie would be hunter schafer had a pretty modest part in that movie but this year won this summer cuckoo which looks like one of the most exciting horror movies of the year chris and i talked about it last week on the show she has a part in kinds of kindness the new york movie coming out in june she has mother mary which is the new david lowry movie that is coming out maybe at the end of this year starring in hathaway and she's also doing voice work in od now i normally would not talk about a video game on this podcast i'm not a gamer i'm not an expert i do know who hideo kojima is he's obviously one of the signature game makers he's a huge cinephile huge person on constantly sharing his opinion of movies on the internet uh and he co-wrote this movie with jordan peal so this video game sorry but his video games are so she's a part of that too i feel like she's gonna be a big star oh i think so as well if anything i thought this was a little bit low but then yeah but it's also like when you when you see everything else i don't really know where else to put you but this has real watch this space energy very much yeah no who's number 32 25 years old yeah yeah uh she's also 25 inches tall that's just because she had to stand next to jacob lorty okay it really is he is an optical illusion in many ways we will come back to that um she's been a lot of things pacific rim uprising one of my favorites bad times at el royal on the basis of sex who's gonna be on the basis of sex she was 80 year old with remarkable performance i think she's a great answer oh that's right then army hammer was the husband that's a tough scene uh vice mayor v sound famously the craft legacy priscilla yeah and civil war yeah she's gonna be an alien romulus you excited about that you know that i am yeah uh she's not producing this list very very promising yes very promising exciting holds her own civil war 2 in a movie with some much more seasoned actors um she also was on devs which is i think how she got in what's the story there so she got cast in devs by alex garland and then alex garland cast her in this and kirsten dunst after working with her recommended her as sophia coppola um i like her a lot she's super talented number 31 this guy's never been on the list before and this is another one where i'm like this does seem low i think it's just because we've never put him on i don't know why we've never put him on i feel like that's just an error well i think it's a little bit of an error and it's a little bit of like we can read the list of things that he's done with it's quite a cv yeah but also like with the exception of anna karenina and i would argue savages they're either like weird interesting but not quite their movies or he's a supporting part aka and he's great and i don't understand what happens in that part of the movie well kick ass i mean he's the star kick ass was a big movie we're talking about aaron taylor johnson who for some reason despite literally touching the marvel universe the kingsman universe start you know having a part in a nolan film i've always also thought that he was miscast in anna karenina yeah but um that's that's i think he's amazing in that movie i love him in anna karenina i know um he's got a really big year coming up now yeah but but but craven the hunter which has been moved yeah let's let's just go he's gonna be the fall guy this friday okay he's a supporting part of the fall guy he's having a lot of fun in the movie and he does that wonderfully like he shows up in these big movies as a supporting guy who's having a tremendous amount of fun and he is really fun he's really really good at that uh then he has to be something called craven the hunter who is he hunting often spider-man oh he's a spider-man villain who's gotten his own origin story okay this is kind of a madame situation oh no oh okay so it's sony and they can't say spider-man it's sony they can say spider-man but they can't say peter parker why couldn't they name the child in madame web i don't think there was a reason for that i think that was just a creative choice that was made in the film madame web craven hunter is moved twice now it was supposed to come out last october yeah and then they moved it to this august and then they just announced last week that it's moving to december i thought i saw that as a sign of a sign of approval for craven opening december that's usually a better time to open i honestly saw it as they he's uh married to sam taylor johnson and i thought they just want to get it as far away from back to black as possible they may need to yeah i still haven't seen back to black but that's how i interpret it i was like oh you just don't want to be anywhere near that they should airlift it as far away from that film um he's also going to be noseratu yeah which is uh really exciting robert eggers when we come this christmas and you know we're two years into james bond speculation five years i mean people have been citing that he is an obvious bond choice for a long time he's 33 years old now he got to start a long time ago he's been in movies since he was like 14 so he's got the look um he's a tall white handsome british guy yeah with a little bit of attitude that's kind of the bond archetype a little bit of sass a little bit of smart right you want this one we've talked about this before is he convincing you i know because i think they need to be imaginative with what they do with bond again and you know watching monkey man i was like oh damn tell like would be so amazing but you know he should just maybe make his own version of bond without all of the like bond bullshit that's attached to it um so it's you know it's kind of hard at this point maybe aaron taylor johnson is the right fit because you don't want to waste too many resources on james bond you know just financially speaking or or just like charisma speaking you know dino craig was just like please please put me out of pasture by the time he was also like they broke several of his knees one thing i'd like them to do which i don't think they're going to do but just a one-off with tom hardy like i don't need 10 with tom hardy but just like if they announced it as a special bond story and we let hardy get a little freaky but not too freaky yeah i mean i'm with you yeah okay number 30 who is it josh o'connor my guy big big big weekend yeah what do you think the takeaway is from challengers um josh o'connor size and uh people like in tennis and sex in the movies josh o'connor size number one yeah you know they're powerful it's interesting analysis uh wonderful actor he's come up quite a bit on the show in the last few weeks and it seems like a lot of people know his name now they maybe didn't know his name 8 12 16 weeks ago fair to say yes okay he's got a movie coming out soon with uh another person on our list i'm curious how we're feeling about the other person i won't say the other person is the movie's called the history of sound but just this year he's been in lucky mara and challengers um number 29 i would say this is a generous hold for us here yeah kiki palmer at 29 she hasn't made a movie since no some of it was out of her control she was supposed to be in an aziz ansari movie which then got delayed right because of a controversy with bill murray that probably would have been out by now but now that movie is finally coming out at a different studio so very funny premise sick ass aziz keanu reeves seth rogan and kiki she plays aziz's romantic interest i think which is very generous casting for aziz um for aziz and she's also been a movie called pick up which is an annie murphy movie coming out later this year yeah she was 18 last time she's 29 she looks like a kid i was gonna say that's i mean that's the other thing is that she just kind of i think she took some time away yeah so that's part of the usher thing remember when she was in usher she was in vegas and she saw usher and then her then partner was like retweeted her and was like why are you you know looking so good with usher you don't remember any of this and then he was revealed to be like a very bad person i believe so now that yeah anyway she's had a lot going on team kiki palmer she looked great at the usher concert how many times have you retweeted your partner a few times but seldom like calling him out in public i say that i say that for pretty much the entire meat of our relationship i see the other kiki palmer internet thing i want to share is i recently watched a video of her i guess ring no press to her explaining how butterfly pee and pee all over her it's like the most incredible she's like no it's true but then she explains it and she explains like the circumstances through which she came to learn the butterflies seek it out it's really good i mean she's a star you know she is just an absolute star yeah i need to get her in more movies um you think there are people in her car on their way to work right now i'm like what have i done why have i chosen this show maybe bobby can find some of the audio and put it in that way people can know about the butterfly it's really really good i'm happy to do that as you guys know i'm a huge fan of tiki palmer i think she's a little bit living more on the internet than she is in film right now she's great at the internet you know she's like too fast for film in some ways it's a good point just like you here i am i had no idea that butterflies pee what and they were pissing all over me they were pissing all over me it's like you know like i could feel it on my face it was dripping dropping everywhere i hate it i hate it i hate it i can't believe they left that part out would you blame it no one i know i know i haven't either number 28 my homie your girl jesse buckley yeah it's been a little bit of a quiet time for her have you seen wicked little letters yet i haven't seen what's wrong with that it's jesse buckley and my girl olivia colman i believe it's playing at the glendale i believe it's playing at my beloved landmark asadina should we go thanks for listening 28 uh wicked little letters is her most recent film she's of course the star of chernobyl i'm thinking of anything she was in fargo season three the lost daughter men women talking she had a really strong run through 22 she was in fingernails last year for apple a movie that i just did not think worked at all i don't think we even discussed i don't know what that is why don't you tell us it's a movie about how this is true um but it's like it's a it's a soft sci-fi movie not something you typically love in the first place where a couple couples can have a scientific test conducted by a private company where they have to have their fingernails removed and put into a machine and it will determine whether or not they are a true love match do fingernails go back they do yes so so you would do well is there anesthesia after this is there anesthesia no they're just pulled off no no no no i wouldn't do that no you would not this movie stars you're not familiar with the film no this film this is apple on jesse buckley jernie allen white and resummit oh um and it's about to tell you right and it was it's a very noble try no it was not yet thanks for reminding me of that um an interesting movie doesn't really work she gives a great performance in it haven't seen with the letters the reason she's on the list she's dropped from 21 to 28 but she's going to be the bride in maggie chillenhall's the bride love it which is a seemingly a reimagining of uh bride frankenstein this is notable because there's another bride on our list coming later in this episode i just love jesse buckley as you know maybe my love is kind of interfering with her rent placement on this list but i feel okay about it i mean she's always doing something interesting i agree i agree fingernails is a cool idea yeah this doesn't totally work she's 34 so this is her last speaking of 34 yeah dakota johnson yeah should she be on this list she was previously 26 so the fact that she only fell one spot is interesting there she is i mean yeah she was mad webb i would say in terms of bringing attention to the movies dakota johnson still excels this is why she's on the list you know one of our chief marketers yeah she is very good at giving weird interviews and maybe being in on the joke and maybe not and that that gray area of unknown that she brings to the table nothing like it not since who i can't even think of a single person who's been able to do this she's really special uh she has been making some shitty movies yes um mad webb was not good her persuasion remake absolutely not no wow cha-cha real smooth sometimes you try things and it doesn't land no i wish it worked but it didn't um i commend guberay for casting dakota johnson as his love interest yes you know that's called you got a dream big yeah absolutely you know i'd love to see it but it's fine dayo is apparently coming out yeah i'm gonna see it six times my birthday uh you know she's not gonna list next year she's very talented yeah she's got a particular superpower i'm not sure it's been utilized properly i do think that she has been starred by the mad webb experience she has said openly that she's not gonna make any movies like she also seems kind of like a movie podcaster a little bit where she's like money has taken over this industry and it's very disappointing you live in malibu with her smart your mom is only uh number 26 your girl yeah mia goth yeah i'm feeling better about this every day now can mia goth get a movie made in hollywood by herself i don't think so do your parents know mia goth's name no they don't is mia goth a great actress i don't really know um i can't just guess well she's very special she's very unique okay she has an energy that you don't see every day she has the ability to go from zero to 100 better and faster than anyone she's like a performance race car she has a seal would you want to drive a performance race car around the neighborhood stop off at 7-11 grab a bag of funyuns no but on the open road do you eat funyuns i've never had fun in my life i would never i was gonna say great for this conversation it was a perfect example that's something i do i have sure i have i have i've been a cheeto or two in my day i don't love a finger dust yeah i don't want dusting this is a real issue with doritos i love dorito okay so you're a dorito over i'm a cheetos over a dorito but i agree i'm not seeking them out regularly now we're three pod the pod food pod i was just using a funyuns example for my note about the performance sure but listen we're creating a whole tapestry over time you know and i just needed to get the funyuns right exactly that's feast okay metaphors here um mia goth has incredible power she's been in some a few movies since we last did this she was in pearl coming off of this last time had her 28 we moved her up to 26 she's about to be maxine closing out the thai west trilogy haven't decided yet whether you should be on that pod i feel like you have to watch x and pearl to watch matt to do that you're gonna watch because x and pearl are not really a man of movies maxine might be because it feels a little bit like a crime thriller yeah you don't know what's a man of movie and what's not don't i well sometimes surprise you that's true yeah i wonder which one of the two you would like more do you like to guess i'm gonna say x okay i think pearl will find you'll find very annoying okay uh but we shall see also one of the stars of pearl david corn sweat he's the star of the forthcoming superman oh right yeah how old is david swat 78 uh in addition to maxine she's also gonna appear in frankenstein which is different from bride this is guillermo del toro's uh frankenstein and she's playing in that film the bride great so we have brides going head-to-head jesse buckley and miagoth who do you think will prevail in that battle miagoth yeah she's yeah well i'm just also like you know it's a guillermo del toro thing plus who else is in that movie that's gonna be a thing no no i'm gonna see it uh philadelphia's finest david corn sweat is 30 years old wow you didn't even put him on that we didn't include him let's yeah six percent for him okay r.i.p sorry superman we found your kryptonite his name is jalen brunson number 25 you don't care that we admitted superman you're not gonna speak about that at all uh i don't think he's done enough okay he probably should be on that in the pipeline list i think he was that as young as 30 but he's only been in like he was in pearl um well he grows from a boat like a baby when he lands on the planet up to an adult man clark kent um as i told you about this in the past there's a wonderful graphic novel called kingdom come about old dc superheroes and dealing with a new generation a little bit like the gen z mommy issue you know with jack antonoff and all your struggles with everyone waking up but it's like that but superheroes where there's like old batman he's apparently okay so i just like basically superman does age i believe he does um couldn't say i haven't run the numbers on that one check the dna test uh i didn't even know what have you been doing slowly removing myself from the discourse of superheroes the last five years what's your delight that is true who's 25 rachel zagler yes you spoke about earlier yeah west side story wonderful shazam fury the gods hate to see it that's it hunger games ballet song i thought she was good you kind of hated on her she was good again i don't care for the style of music that she performed incessantly throughout the two two hour and 40 minute film like full country pop yeah you're not a fan of that this there was like a little too much like hey you know you see what i'm saying i was just like a little a little too much you should be forced to sing a lumineer song on this pod but many people saw this movie it made money so she's gonna be she's really good online also good online yeah like she's funny okay how would you know when you're not online yeah she's good you know just go to her accounts individually they appear okay uh i think she's really talented she's gonna be in y2k which is kyle mooney of snl fame's new movie about a bunch of people in a run-up to y2k you know people point out that we didn't talk about y2k on the 1999 movie draft which is a good point that was like one of the critical cultural sort of anti-events it never amounted to anything yeah non-stop that year i know but that was like we were all like 13 you know no i was 17 oh did you what y2k preparations did you make uh well i moved into a bunker and there were four years and i never left yeah uh nothing nothing just uh watched software bigger longer than cut it was like just really like a lot of adults again on today's show or the evening emails go you know how will we get cash and then i just got a bunch of cash and then it was fine where are you at an inbox zero i noticed as we were because we're sitting the side by side i noticed that you are like full inbox zero which is like the least surprising thing in both accounts yeah i i don't have a rigorous protocol in general email is becoming increasingly optional for me um i see i treat it as such i try to get rid of the like really junky stuff i unsubscribe like crazy don't don't send me your marketing shit i get very angry but i don't i'm not like you and i'm also not like my husband who just leaves everything in his inbox that uh i just broke out in hives it's horrifying and he gets so much PR 7 like that's all the publicist in the world i know you gotta get the word out but it's like he gets probably like 30 you know new song out on whatever emails a day and they're just all in his inbox and he opens all of them that's because he like me i don't like having unread emails you know because that's how i'm really sorry i asked you but anyway he he marks all of them as red but then just leaves them there okay that's very stressful to me i'm reading some emails i'm not reading some emails i'm writing back to some i'm not writing back to others that's where i am do you drink alcohol before the pod no okay uh it was also going to start in snow white which we think woke disney's gonna do snow white now i mean this just seems like everyone regrets all of their decisions you know like maybe they just won't release it they probably will but they're going to although obviously they're reimagining their live action yeah did you watch the mufasa trailer the new barry jenkins film i did it yeah um i saw that beyonce and blue ivy are our voices yeah let's get the mufasa image on the screen now we've got number 24 really excited about that should we have kids is mufasa under 35 in the world young mufasa it's a mufasa oh yes true yeah he looks like sorry i lost track of that lineage you know i forgot we were going all the way back to early days mufasa yeah childhood dramas and his anxieties yeah i mean really what started it all for him what was it a tragic loss that he'll never be able to shake lives with him forever did you watch with alice this morning no i'm trying to figure out whether that's gonna work because you know it's digitally animated but it's set in the real world environment it's not it's not scary animation so she's gonna be scared is that your concern she's just gonna be like i only like drawings well the drawing away um i don't know i should watch some real world stuff we've checked out the muppets obviously sesame street for years so i think she can handle that but like two lions in battle for 20 minutes seems not ideal anyway number 24 i would agree it's an interesting one i think i underestimated just what a mega year she had in 2023 yeah but it was like insane like skyrocket and it's like obviously on the back of the bear which just comes out every year like clockwork and it's coming out again this june but yeah she's in bottoms she was in theater camp she was in teen mutant turtles she's being cast more recently also just because of the way the awards season works works this year she was thrust together with all the movie stars and then you know like the whole unirish bit and so then she's like taking photos of paul maskell everywhere and like that by association has elevated her she's like making movies yeah she was also in spider-verse like she she was big mouth for years so like she's very popular among young people old people got you know all the 40-year-old bros the bear is like favorite show the bear rules don't you need to do that voice for the bear i mean i'm doing an impression of myself okay um the bear is for all of us okay i mean i think it's for like brithley scottheads who want to see stuff in the kitchen but um it's not sure it's absolutely for all of us she's she's wonderful in that show and i she's gonna be inside out too yeah for your my hawk note she's gonna be in lmk which is james l brooks's new movie which is exciting and then she's gonna be in our pal mark anthony green's new movie opus this is the first movie that she's effectively headlining by herself which is a 24 movie so i feel like she's more than anyone on the list kind of triangulating the moment yes like got good taste picking the right projects like it's hard to pick the right animated movie to voice but now she's gonna keep a voice to characters and teams in digital spider-man and inside out too it's pretty smart she's getting all like the primo the pics i mean she also is just like personality-wise like it clicks she's very funny very likable like all the speeches that she had they were awards for tv shows but you're just like oh that's a star like it's just it's like her instagram is very funny she also enjoyed challengers and the score you know she's like plugged in and you see it happening oh yeah she's very good at that yeah well she was but now she's in the tina fae zone of not being able to yeah yeah did you did you watch that video that last call teresa's video oh yeah having an opinion is like it's too expensive yeah you you you're living the opposite you're like how rich can i get from having opinions right that's true but that's what i'm not trying to create anything i'm just here having opinions very good point uh number so 24 pretty good showing for somebody who was on the list last year number 23 also a new edition margaret quali yeah but it's valid i mean she's done everything she's done a lot of stuff actually listening to movies she's made i can't believe she's made between movies and television she's already had a pretty amazing career because people forget she was on the leftovers and she was also on fossey verdon and she was also on mate on netflix oh a huge show yeah so just from her tv work she's gotten really famous now obviously she's also america and that's fairly recent so she's kind of like been in the tabloid she's she's become a household name not just because of her movies in the last 18 months so she's got a lot there's a higher level of awareness for her also she was she had blind driveway dolls which didn't really work as a movie but was kind of the first time that she was really out front on a movie like that um she took a very bold choice with an accent that maybe didn't work but we appreciate the effort um and also she's been in the nice guys once a time in hollywood you know claire denine movie stars at noon sanctuary poor things she's just been in a ton of stuff over the last five years she's about to be in another yorkos on the movie kinds of kindness she's about being a movie that's going to premiere at can called the substance which is one of the more hotly tipped movies corley fargat's movie co-starring opposite demie moore um and then she's going to be the next ethan colin and trish cook movie honey don't which comes out next year she's got a lot of stuff like that plus she's been defending jack antonoff from you for the last i wonder if she and the next person aren't a bit too high oh interesting maybe the next three people well no the 20 is i think right the 20 is a new edition is like a fluke of timing i want to do this okay but 22 is dave jones who was in obviously normal people which was released four years ago this weekend because she was celebrating that anniversary four year anniversary yeah with like a lot of pictures that's my first boyfriend she's got a blackbuster for both the summer she gets to remind people of why they love her and but it was it was very obvious and then she was in fresh which people on instagram seem to really like and i see a lot i see a lot of clips of it you know a great premise not and where the crowd dancing which was just a fascinating so that movie which is abhorrent um is the reason why she's on the list because that movie did huge business for a literary adaptation right um that was dropped in the middle of the summer and made over 100 million dollars and she was the star she was absolutely along with mary dickinson i would say the movie was sold on him um and she's now about to be in twisters and on the force is another kind of hotly set movie that might be coming out next year uh and she's the co-lead of twisters she's in the hell and hunt part opposite the bill paxton and glenn powell right but she is also like desperately tweeting to remind people that she was in normal people four years ago you know so like the cultural relevance even though we're the crowd dancing can you tweet in a way that is not desperate um yes i think so but now you're famous or known you are you're incredibly desperate at all times all posting is desperate from us or from but if you're just are you saying i'm not as famous as yeah but you do still have a platform of sorts and then you're going to twitter and letterboxd like share other feelings and that's desperate why um because it's like you have so much to to put out in the world that you can't fit it all in one place how beautiful you described something so lovely you gotta stop sending emails that would be lovely i love to email i love to post do you love email no i have a pretty severe email style i do i do and it like leads over to text sometimes as well it's like am i getting a business text from sean or am i getting a friend text from sean really like the capitalization changes it's so hard to just be near me in any way it's really a challenge people don't understand the emotional labor that goes into just like fucking dealing with you day in and day out tough road for you he really had some struggles number 21 bill scars which is like a first name that you wrote into the document we're essentially doing this list so that you can talk about bill scars who is like a member of the wonderful scars family which i enjoy he's the first person i thought it was like we've never talked about him on this episode before and now i feel it's appropriate that he's on the list i don't think that would have been the case when he was just being pennywise five years ago right but now when you realize that he used pennywise to basically create like a persona he's kind of doing what john malkovich was doing in the 90s where he's like i'm only playing heels and i'm chewing the scenery now he's doing franchise movies more often a little bit of tricky timing because boy kills world his movie just bombed hard over the weekend as i understand it's not his fault sounds like that was just a poorly made movie but um he's 33 years old he's been in the it movies he was in eternals he was in barbarian fantastic barbarian he's very very fun and effective he's so good yeah and this year he now has a crow which is coming out in august and he is nosferatu and robert eggers nosferatu they showed the nosferatu trailer at cinema con yeah yeah okay well that's because it's real it's very it's very exciting i'm excited for you you know christmas is a time of water for us don't be mean you can do anything you want but don't be mean just try it i think those scars are super talented i think he's wonderful i'm a fan of all scars cards this is one where i was like should be a switch to probably by the time we get out of the star of a lot of movies he's pennywise like by the time we get to nosferatu we might switch it back unless aaron taylor johnson does become James Bond but like right now you know what i mean i'm putting money down that nosferatu's gonna be a big hit that's cool he's 21 i'm not making any changes number 20 yeah jodie comber so you know she's probably still best known for killing eve because that first season was so incredibly successful right it seemed like such a phenomenon i didn't realize she was also the star of a series called the white princess it was on stars i think for three seasons i think i watched some of that so yeah they are do you want to hear about this on stars they basically started doing the tutors but for all of the women who came before like going back to it so it's like historical fiction going back to the war of roses that before it's always like centered on a young woman who's learning about sex somehow even though you're not supposed to but but also historical intrigue but she was the star of the show right yeah i think so i don't remember which one the white princess is okay um we'll be watching that like catherine mary or something you know elizabeth he's in days back then okay uh she's in free guy she's an abomination she blasted to the sun uh the last will she's terrific in that movie she is i just watched last night movie that i missed in 2023 called the end we start from which honestly if it had a different studio probably would have gotten her nomination she plays a woman who's just given birth to a child in the midst of an apocalyptic scenario in england there's a massive flood but it is not a disaster movie you never really see the disaster it is just entirely told through it's a little bit of kind of not quite that dire but just a very sad intense movie not the most fun watch she is incredible i mean just like it is it is a display of one of her kind of her range as an actor you know she's like a lot like quippy zippy wild gals in movies and tv shows and this is like a really meryl street movie basically with her right uh that she's excellent and then now upcoming she's in the bike riders which i've seen and i think she's the best part of the movie and it makes a really bold choice in the movie and i thought it really worked um i can't i actually can't imagine the movie without her even though it's got the great character iconography and tom hardy and all these great actors like feist she's amazing bike riders and which is now she's going to start 28 years later which is the new the reunion about starling and danny boyle and the 28 days and weeks later movies so that's a pretty big that's kind of like her first big franchise thing i think she was not on the list last time just from a fluke of scheduling yeah she was 21 and because the last duel despite our enthusiasm for it was still kind of covid box office i didn't do very well and yeah so 19 this was these next two were my call you didn't know i was gonna put these on but i didn't protest you didn't protest the first one is millie bobby brown yeah millie bobby brown's 20 years old she's obviously best known as 11 from stranger things sure um but she's actually been in a lot of movies recently she's a big part of the netflix movie strategy writ large so she's in two godzilla movies she's in king of the monsters and but she was cut out of the most recent one her podcast enthusiasm didn't translate did she like step on at the end of godzilla versus congress why is she not in the movie i don't remember she's isn't she kyle chandler's daughter and she's also really into brian tyree henry's podcast yes we don't really get to explore brian tyree henry's like podcast world in this new movie because he just has to go to hollow earth so you think because of the lack of interest in podcasting she was not featured in the film yeah probably more of an actual issue but um she's also been in two nola holmes movies which i find unwatchable but are very successful here in netflix uh and she's also a movie called damsel which i didn't think is ultimately all that successful but again she's like a part of the netflix brand right and then i think the next movie that she's in is the real test which is another netflix movie from the russo brothers their most recent netflix movie was the gray man which stinks but this is the same it's marcus mcfeely the writers of the adventures movies and captain america movies that write movies for the russo's and she's the star of the movie she's very very very very very famous especially she's unbelievably famous whether she's beloved i don't know she obviously really was beloved five years ago and stranger things was in a tay day and she's a young teen star she's now 20 years old movies are getting made because of her so that's an important factor but she's like pure pure maybe not even gen z like the next generation i think technically she's gen z but she has more gen alpha energy yeah that's what they're calling them generation alpha okay um but those those are the people who follow her everywhere you know to me i'm just like that's like a netflix teenager thing it's kind of you know like i barely see it happening but i do see it happening i know she's like wildly famous yeah i see this as an acknowledgement i think i think it's correct you know yeah but this isn't like a passion pick for us number 18 this is a passion pick for me this is really funny taylor swift yeah now the best thing about this there's a couple great things this one is 34 years old notably so this will be her last time she can compete for a slot on this so i wanted to give her flowers i know that you did yeah um these are the films that she's made she was in the film valentine's day she provided her voice with the movie the lorax she was in the giver i saw that in theaters she was the star and director of all too well colin the short film yeah she starred in amsterdam yes david russell movies skipped an incredibly important entry in her filmography oh i forgot about cats yeah and the eras tour yes which came out last year yes which was a big success and that's the reason why she's on the list right she's also reportedly making a movie she's she's kind of a movie star yeah absolutely i think that father had to go over to her at the table when they were both dining i can't remember where la dolce vita is somewhere else yeah it's a restaurant as well as a movie it's a wonderful i understand it's a film they've taken the name la dolce vita i don't know i don't know i don't know what about a restaurant called pulp fiction we can go okay i mean um i feel like la dolce vita is just sort of like a concept and a saying as well you know i don't think it's like feline invented those three words i'm gonna be honest like the restaurant's just okay so i don't even know whether it's still open anymore it was like buzzy last summer where was i you couldn't get a call um no you couldn't i went with my cool friends who got a restaurant nice try you have friends who get invites to things they're not cool um yeah it's a restaurant but i don't know whether that's where they went i think that bob eiger and paul mccartney went to go together um but i don't know whether it was i think i think the hot spot has moved on do you think paul told bob that business too woke have you have you listening to the paul pod the paul mccartney podcast it's so good every episode is like 22 minutes and it's just and half of it is just pushkin ads so it's like 14 minutes of paul talking about how he just you know wrote blackbird you know he's like welcome blackbird out the window i thought like his stories are ridiculous it's like outcomes magic anyway great great great podcast all right do you think that she will make it to 35 over 35 i don't i think that's a pretty tough community of people i mean it's much larger pool yeah i'll ask you one really important question don't take too long to answer did she make a strategic error with this travis kelsey thing long term will we look back on this as i look back i look at it now and i'm like what are you doing but that's just me like watching footage of travis kelsey hosting are you smarter than a fifth grader or whatever and being like really this is this is what is doing it for you but i guess it is having heard the album and how fixated she was on maddie healy it is a classic rebound situation um so we'll see you know just run in the opposite direction okay we're at the halfway point let's take a quick break we'll come back and we'll do 17 through one 17 i'm a little i'm a little torn on this one too academy word nominee he's done some amazing work a little bit of dip right now going off laquite stanfield sometimes this happens you know they don't control their release schedules or the cycle of the moon that determines when you make this list so he was coming out of judas and the black messiah and the harder they fall coming i was like we got one we really got one and since then these are the projects that laquite has made haunted mansion you see that no scarlett johansson was right i don't think that's the case or didn't she release or something like didn't haunted mansion play a pivotal role in the reconciliation between scarlett johansson and disney after the black widow lawsuit did you produce it can you google scarlett johansson haunted mansion yes the stars of that movie are uh tiffany haddish danny devito owen wilson okay uh uh nothing no okay what was the movie i believe tower terror okay i was close come on it's a good guess now that those are both movies and now in jurassic world have you been on tower terror that's the draft one yeah no you haven't been on no no i don't like to do any of the draft things because i heard an impactful story once about someone getting their hair caught in one of their long hair in the machine and then um it could not happen in tower terror tower terror this is the story of modern hollywood tower terror was one of my favorite rides in all yes you had a favorite ride no no just hear me out tower terror was in california adventure disneyland um where was it disney world it's a really good question i don't know the answer to that i don't go to disney world as often as i go to disneyland which is not very often honestly but i'm going on friday i know i know but we won't be on california because we'll be at the top nevertheless tower terror was there for years and tower terror was a twilight zone themed ride so you get on the ride of course i love the twilight zone you get on the ride rod sterling appears on screen and he introduces an episode of the twilight zone as he often does setting up this elevator shaft ride such a cool thing when you're like 10 years old to experience this years go by no one is complaining about tower terror there's lines out the door every time i go there people fucking love this ride my soul just left my body but continue okay it's worse for whatever reason oh yeah this is a story about like amusement park renovations yes what just guess what movie ride fall guy no no disney that also had disney at the end and star wars that was why you were so angry fall guy's not disney fall guy's universal but didn't no not fall guy what's that free guy i'm sorry no disrespect to fall guy which i'm excited to see but you know guardians of the galaxy it's the same ride and it's just a drop ride but they've replaced it with guardians of the galaxy story telling and paraphernalia and it's a fine ride but they fucking killed rod sterling they took him out of this that is upsetting so now star joe i guess is bringing it back now that the ride no longer exists i don't know she's also gonna be in domestic world anyway licking stanfield tough story paul i mentioned the changeling which was a series on apple tv plus that who i have you met a human who's watched it he was also in the book of clarence which came out in january which is an attempt to make uh like it's like a farcical satire of biblical storytelling right that is like one part zucker brothers uh like airplane style story one part kind of like absurdist almost like alexander payne tone of humor terrible yeah it's terrible didn't work he has a movie coming out called el paso elsewhere that's the only thing i could find that he's working on next and yet i'm not giving up my liquid stock you support this yeah i'm not giving up either again it's just like sometimes people are betwixt in between projects yeah so he's between number 16 de patel yeah 34 he won't be back oh son maybe he'll be gone probably won't this year of course he had monkey man which was i would say a very modest success at the box office and also a very modest success as a movie which showed us some stuff he has i was left the theater being like de patel i knew he had it but he still has it he has it in new and interesting ways yeah i would like to see more de patel in my life me too he's coming off of the wonderful story of henry sugar the green knight personal history of david copperfield of course slumber millionaire uh he was 17 last time so he's moved up one slot okay and he's gonna be coming out called rabbit trap any objections any additions for the de patel story i did think that he would be a bit higher but i'm not sure i can credibly put him above any of these people i agree now that i'm looking at it even though some of them are sort of on hiatus right now so that's okay their hiatuses are more powerful than his i guess is it hiatai hiatai uh it could be hiatuses i don't know whether the oed has weighed in on what the plural of hiatuses let's give them a call okay you have their number it's in your email i do use the phone no email but i'm just on the phone all the time rolling calls you talk on the phone no i hate talking on the phone it's my favorite thing okay number 15 yeah she's 30 years old she has four Oscar nominations she sure does she was in that film ladybird she was a star that was pretty good magical movie she was in little women yeah that was good she was an ammonite which was based on your life she was in which one might also be based on my life now yeah jesus uh brand new pest hotel she hasn't done much she made faux last year which was not successful no and you don't have palm school as well right very few people saw it but she had a movie at sundance that i haven't seen but that the only really the only buzz about this movie was that it was her fifth academy award nomination it's called the outrun and she's also gonna be blitz steve mcqueen's new world war ii drama that's coming out later this year she was 19 somehow she was lower we moved her up but this is entirely dependent on these next right i think we're just like the blitz anticipation in particular plus the sundance buzz which you know someone always has it doesn't always pin out now but we're we're searching for the irish you know 14 speaking of the irish yeah i think this is right to move him up i'm not totally sure this awkward effect is real yeah it's like very powerful it's very powerful you're not at home looking after a two-year-old like i really don't know what you're talking about i heard it somewhere else i have like our 26-year-old correspondent let me know that she heard it out at a club okay what a club yeah or like a bar i don't know what it was like a club club i don't think that's how easy it's rolling if you can correct me she's like next guy like the lilo are we talking about no how do you know the names of clubs come on is the island still operational i think so okay um i don't know it was at a bar it honestly sounded fun because she was like they play good music and then i asked for some examples and she said serena carpenter which is relevant because she's dating baric yogan oh that's who that is yeah okay so solver in your right there is a solver in effect it's like it was seen by millions of people there was a huge discourse ultimately don't think that movie works i appreciate its efforts yeah i like the swing i think it's kind of stupid that's okay it's okay it's gonna have stupid movies um he's gonna be beautiful he's gonna be in a bunch of things coming up most particularly bird which is an android arnold movie which i think they can right yes um so we'll see it feels like you know here he has an Oscar nomination for banshee's and a sharon feels like a guy he'll be back the academy i mean resume killing the sacred deer dunkirk green knight eternals he wants him you lose some the batman banshee's and sharon solverne he's a serious guy he's always good i think he's doing solverne is like a wild crazy swing that only works half the time but he's mesmerizing um he was 22 last time he's up to 14 i think this is correct i agree with you number 13 this is a hard one this is a big fall for this guy he was number five sometimes people are taking a break and they earn that break uh-huh well i don't know he seems like a nice guy who is it tom holland he's a 13 he's 27 years old i was also defending our our methodology that he went from five to 13 he is spider-man he is it sounds like he still will be he'll make another one although nothing really has been announced about it other than they want to do it he's been in spider-man movies and a bunch of stuff that isn't great you know he was the voice in onward he's in the devil all the time he's in cherry he's in cast walking he had one really funny uh lip sync performance of was it rihanna's umbrella yeah but it's singing in the rain leading into umbrella that was like seven years ago you reminded me that i need to show that to nox i really like that he is or is not they're very dating and they are very dating they're very dating and they are becoming more and more open about that they haven't really done red carpet appearances together but they are on each other's instagrams to make references to each other there was some unsourced people report last weekend that was talking about how they have discussed marriage it's just a reality which seems like it's just that people have to discuss it or something like that i don't remember it's made up but it's it's clear that they are used not using a relationship where they are more comfortable about that relationship being a part of their public percentage which i just think is notable when you have two such famous people i didn't realize they were still together but that makes sense they seem like weirdly well adjusted both of them yes is that odd to say for two people who've been famous for a really long time the most famous you can be right um i think that it helps that they kind of are like a little bubble together you know right and that's probably the reason they're together this is common that movie stars tend to marry because they can only really understand i don't think that they are actually planning on getting married anytime soon oh you don't you've defined this yeah you know they're pretty young okay well he's 27 okay uh can you guess how old i was when i got married were you 27 i was 27 well that's wonderful i don't know i think you've known your wife longer than tom holland i was longer yes that's true i mean when is that first spider-man movie it's gotta be it's 2018 maybe when is spider-man homecoming let's look it up it's 2017 okay so he's coming up started filming in 16 eight years together that's nice i need him to make one good movie for adults just one i mean is he closer to this guy on the board toby mcguire or is he closer to tom cruise whose career is he more likely to have and i like toby mcguire i'm not trying to cast this version i just said toby mcguire is a really good spider-man and then just showing up with i'm really good at playing poker yeah doing some interesting things producing babelon is very charming but he is coasting on the on the charm and the winningness as much as any sort of acting jobs in spider-man perfect for people yeah i've said this many times on the show okay number 12 your girl last time she'll be here kristin stewart saying farewell to a lot of people this year kristin stewart was number 11 last time she's number 12 now very small drop down not because the work isn't good but just because she clearly seems not super interested in anything resembling mainstream hollywood stardom you know she's not doing what was that terrible franchise movie about like the king and the swordsman and the princess and the you know what i'm talking about oh the one where she cheated on yeah yeah yeah um the snow white and the huntsman the princess and the showgirl whatever that was called um you know she her last two movies are crimes of the future and love life bleeding i love both of those movies those are both very clearly like i'm doing my own shit yeah i'm doing what matters to me doing five for me she's so funny in crimes of the future it's like it's really one of the fun she's like she's a person who wants to put her finger in like bodily holes great love it uh but she's not really she's not yeah she's she's checking out in a good way she's just she's doing some stories she is um in a film called love me that i saw at sundance we talked about this i don't think so she plays uh a buoy uh that is artificial intelligence and she falls in love with a satellite played by oh yeah and then there's like a lot of underwater stuff no that's not the case they had a form of romance as he's is she doing an underwater movie also no she made a film called underwater in 2021 it's about being underwater um it's gonna be called sacramento coming out later this year too thank you for all your contributions christen we accept that you no longer want a Hollywood product number 11 denna ortega now she was very controversial last time around we quibbled over whether adriar holmes should be in her spot right since then she's gotten significantly more famous and since then you've been to las vegas and heard the tales of beetlejuice beetlejuice i love to just wrap your arms around a bit uh i will have my day that's all you need to know these are the things she's been in the fallout x that's how we're watching this summer of course the star of wednesday which is a massive show by a significant factor on netflix according to the data screen six and seven and then a film called miller's girl that i watched last night let's talk about miller's girl quickly here's what it's about a young girl living in tennessee she's a studious she's a literary type she loves to read she's really in the henry miller apparently and uh she's what time period is it modern day okay and she walks into her english class i guess her senior english class okay sees a teacher martin freeman turns out he's a failed author himself he published one of the short stories that was widely panned and they take a shine to each other martin freeman is married to who is marina on succession one of my one of my great loves and uh she's like a brassy southern editor or something she's constantly on the phone like getting notes on books and they have this love affair like this marriage it's all about like quoting henry miller to each other and getting drunk all the time but then it becomes a low lead kind of a movie where you know there's a sort of romantic encounter i was afraid it was going to be about how henry miller's been banned in tennessee and then it was like a whole anyway it's just one of those things like one of those movies where everyone is talking as if they like reading from their you know ap english test you know just like such florida dialogue over explained even still i thought jenna was pretty good kind of helped she's good she's good uh she's got a lot of stuff coming out now she's got people just go do clara and the sun death of a unicorn she's in new driver schultz movie she's in something called winter spring summer fall coming out soon she's 32 last time she's 11 now she's only 21 years old when beetlejuice comes out and it sucks will you say she's off the list what will you say no i'll just be tending to you weeping have you seen beetlejuice yes but not in like 30 years in like 35 years it was not you saw when you were four years old i don't know that's not appropriate for a four-year-old uh that's just not a movie for you no not really oh wait just listen we had different experiences we see the world in different ways that's what you know makes podcast magic who's number 10 annie taylor joy yeah she's good i think you had it lower and i was like we have to 10 10 10 feels right at some point i was like okay well the top 10 of this list is gonna be in what order do you put the you neckers um entirely but close but yeah but i guess she's in like a little bit of a lull right now she might be too low i think she probably is but but that's okay we're just about four weeks out from furiosa yeah again a little bit of a timing thing but she was the voice of princess peach in the super mario brother sure you love princess peach you've been saying yeah your princess is in another castle i'm always in another castle thank you yeah uh did you think that they kind of feminized her so she could have it all in the super mario story i think they give her an agency so she wasn't just a damsel in distress she drives right drives yeah isn't she like driving the mario car oh yeah she drives yeah i like that part yeah i've never been more stupid yeah i've never been more and i got like really stressed in the moment too because i didn't get to play mario that much but when i did i really wanted to win you know and i'm like moving back and forth trying to like will the car and stay on the you know gen z has a day of kojima we had mario card it was fucking awesome um yeah she's good she's gonna be in the gorge which is an apple movie directed by uh scott derrickson okay made black phone and sinister and he also directed dr strange which i think was your favorite of mcu uh phase three movies and yeah maybe 10 is too low she was eight last time we did this yeah she was coming off of i mean i think you can maybe flip her a number nine i will listen to that is paul nesco yes and again huge star does not need to be reminding people that he was a normal people four years ago has he made any movies anyone has seen i mean that's the good question right i mean he's a lot of times on netflix so maybe people saw that yeah but he's a small part yeah he's just like at the beach he's an after son which people love yeah yeah but academy were not needed right for after son yes so that's big um he was in a carmen adaptation from benjamin millipierre natalie portman's ex-husband oh it's unwatchable he was in also and at first times for twice elsa pataki was also in that right i think so i thought it was melissa barrera well i mean i think that there were yeah let's let's google this i'm pretty sure i was like who who wanted this movie what is this and of course all that's great supporting parties and foe also with sergio ronin which we mentioned earlier but this is yes she wasn't it she was gabrielle i don't know who that is you haven't seen no i didn't want this adaptation but they did make us do a performance yeah they made us do an adaptation of carmen in the sixth grade so they had one of six graders trying to communicate carmen was it inspired by carmen colon a hip-hopera starring beyonce yeah did you watch that was it mackay pfeiffer was he co-starred that you know i did but that was a music country we make stuff like carmen hip-hopera okay paul my school has gladiator 2 right the history of sound co-starring josh o'connor yeah and he's currently making over the course of a decade merrily we roll along with richard linklater okay he was previously number 33 on our list i think people just want this to happen yes including us i think collectively everyone is just like that guy seems like he really has it and he's like playing enough he's not himself online but he's getting dumped by phoebe bridgers he's wearing the short shorts i believe so he was with phoebe and then she's with so who's he dating now i don't know okay um he's a big thigh guy as well yeah he's wearing like he's he's in the memes with ios i'm seeing him spin off pods i feel like between jmo hour three and the man is thigh guys we're i'm just observing a trend you know and i'm saying that yeah absolutely um and like the gladiator 2 of it all we just all want to happen so desperately on every single level we want more movies like that we want him and denzel together you know i didn't see i wasn't in vegas when they showed that stuff but even since that happened there's like all kinds of internet websites websites they're just like the test which is unbelievable like i don't think these guys 85 great making movies where like paul mesclun like riding sharks in the ocean straight to hell anyway uh okay number eight yeah florence pugh who's had an interesting couple of years here she was six three so she kind of dropped down a little bit despite the fact that she's been a part of basically the two of the three biggest of the last 12 months but she's a small part a major part of the press tours and small but memorable in both oppenheimer and particularly dune part two but dune part two she's really just there set up for dune part three she is um and she worked chainmail what do you think was memorable about her not she's also about to be in thunderbolts which is a big marvel next year yeah she's like i mean she's basically the star of that movie i know but they like many people have been freed from the shackles of thunderbolt as i understand she's portraying a character named yelena biloba oh that's her black widow character yeah yeah remember she just absolutely stole black widow because i was running like spider-man now they do that all the time like that's right that's literally what it's like to be me and go to a marvel movie and they're just like hey you're spider-man she's still yelling okay she's can you guess the rest of the cast of thunderbolts it's actually pretty fun because there's some characters from our list so far on here well people have been jumping in and out of it so i don't know i don't know was i was supposed to be in she was but she's not going to get any more yeah and steven again also dropped out yeah okay sebastian stan oh okay right is he the new captain america he's bucky barnes oh he's still bucky didn't get promoted no the new captain america is sam uh falcon oh anthony mackie okay oh good yeah he's good apparently that movie's not going very well though they've like scrapped it and we shot it like three times hannah john cayman just can't say i know who that is oh yeah she was wow she was an ant-man the wasp this is one of the thunderbolts why russell oh good for him he also aged out by the way he's 37 stuff julia dreyfus oh good because she was so great in ant-man yeah the name of her character is valentina allegra de fontaine right but she's like she's in black oh right right but she's like she's the suit right and then she but she's like doing a veep of her veep character here's an interesting question she's the director of the cia but she's also a contessa yeah but she's kind of turn evil right but like and then if she was a case of her assassination that would be awesome if marvel did that and then julia dreyfuss i would actually feel like marvel's back baby if it's julia luis dreyfuss who killed kennedy and then caster comes back in this cast is insane it actually gets better so for you okay david harbour we were really getting somewhere with our flashback marvel movie about who killed kennedy i'll go home and write it and then you can do a second pass okay and we'll turn it into foggy and say make this i need to make this with with with you olga kirilenko okay who plays taskmaster one of your faves oh that's just like the monster that eats everyone right no well that's what happens in like it doesn't eat everyone she fights everyone but she's like trash in a lot of machinery she doesn't actually replicate the skills of her opponent i believe it's one of her one of her powers uh louis poland like yeah yeah and also lessons in chemistry right yeah and uh and harrison ford is he really oh and he's playing the president or the senator or whoever so he's playing thaddeus thunderbolt ross colon the president of the united states he was previously a u.s army general and then the u.s secretary of state and reportedly he's also playing red hulk he turns into a red hulk i mean harrison ford all right let's keep doing uh forms p was fantastic as i said she's a fire hydrant i'm a huge fan i saw the zach braff movie a good person that she made when they were dating i saw that also that was tough it's so bad it's really hurt my head how bad i saw that alone in an epic in pasadena just brutal brutal material um she's listening to me we live in time which is a john crowley movie that chris drafted in the movie auction i think it's coming out this year so cr continues his run did you notice i see our country on the next third wing did you notice that um i think he actually left the during the one sixers win but um should tell you something yeah now he's international not like me i would never turn my back like in a pacific theater you know when i was fighting for my boys i would never do that number seven jacob lordy also a new addition here we go here we go where he's very tall he's very tall he's 26 years old yeah your favorite work of his is a kissing booth but since then he's also going to make euphoria the sweeties priscilla and saltburn and of course he's going to appear in o canada paul schrader's next movie yeah did you again with richard gere and he'll also be in frankenstein for those protocols uh should be interesting i mean richard gere's like 75 i'm sure uh i know you're an old guy but um he's gonna be frankenstein and this is gonna be hard for you like how are you gonna see it well like how do you feel you know like people contain multitudes and an actor's job is to to transform and that's what he wants to do that's fine he's gonna move from eyebrow piercing to deadbolts in his neck yeah okay he's very tall so he'll be imposing he's never been on this list before is this too much of a reach for him no i mean he had between again the saltburn effect very real plus priscilla like the euphoria wave of just all these actors are coming there and they're kind of the chosen ones the paul schrader the del thoro you know it's like you just the things are aligning what do you think of his performance as felonious monk in deep water it's so funny when he's just like what are you doing ridiculous i love it he's good number six yeah here she is is she number one no i mean she's very powerful but and she could well be number one one day we're talking about this this is our third euphoria cast number on this list yeah cindy sweeney is it's actually interesting because a lot of it is hinging on anyone but you and her incredible fame in the aftermath of the success of anyone but you and also how her it was cindy sweeney's fame and internet presence and like the marketing at all that in many ways propelled anyone put you to the success that it had at the box office because the movie was fine okay and she honestly has many virtues and i don't know whether that style of comedy is one of them well there's something interesting about the fact that i liked her in a few movies i really like her in euphoria i think she's great uh i liked her in reality i liked her in immaculate and usually when she's playing like a little bit more of a chaotic character who's kind of like ridden with anxiety and fear and a little bit of hysteria she's very good at that but anybody was the biggest hit she's been a major part of and that's one where she's doing something different some of it was like it's a tiktok trend and a lot of girls are going together and seeing it as like a party experience but that movie was really really really yeah i mean a genuine phenomenon for that kind of a movie which i think both movies that you like to see i mean that's true but i'm curious to see like what kind of a star she like what she becomes known for because she's done some audacious things like reality and the voyeurs are pretty audacious movies um immaculate even i know you'll never see it but like pretty cool for someone with her power to make a movie like that i don't really know too much about the next couple movies that she's making echo valley and eden but man she seems extremely famous right now yes like the the next generation and kind of the the the broadest reach of anyone like even if you're not like a movie movie person you know about sydney sweeney or certain attributes of sydney sweeney like what but listen she you know she was criticized by some producer i'd never heard of and then was just on instagram wearing a sweatshirt that said like sorry my tits are perfect or something but yeah she did incredible stuff good for her that's pretty good uh number five so this is the one where i'm like i get it yeah it's like the last message of a generation what you've done yeah and she's won an oscar and ben and just many stonefold classics and is jennifer lawrence but she's not doing very much right now i don't think she's tapped to do anything right at the moment she was in our feelings last year which i think the idea of our feelings would be a bomb and anyone but you would be a big hit is kind of is fascinating to me it's kind of flummoxing a little bit i don't totally understand i think it was just better and felt a little bit more like i guess ultimately that is kind of like the raunchy farrelly brothers apatow equivalent to the nora effron energy that anyone but you want to have um but it didn't have a natasha beddingfield yeah it didn't have a murder on the dance floor it was very funny but that is many you know and that is also for a joke another shot at philadelphia there daryl hall and john notes sorry buddy i have to tell you that spotify thinks i want to hear rich girl every two seconds like after yes after every single song i play for my son the next song is rich girl by hollow notes i do not no i do not want to hear paul notes paul can we do the rockefeller version of rich girl bob please that's that's the real version for me um do you want you to be clear you want me to play that under the entire podcast on repeat if you could i think uh jen was 12 last time and you've moved her up to five because of no hard feelings and causeway happened too sure she's good at that she's retired she's a kid she's a kid yeah her kid is almost exactly not this age i gotta tell you in terms of like pregnancy twins jennifer lawrence is like not the most you're oh like we were pregnant at the exact same time and she like had the whole red carpet team promoting like promoting no hard feelings and i was like and you know just at home her her nude scene the fight scene and hard feelings is one of the most like what is going on i can remember in the movie uh god bless her she's doing great maybe five is too high i'm not sure it's tricky because you're like on the one hand sure annie taylor joy feels more like a future of movies i feel like maybe jen should be 10 and anya and paul should be nine anya should be eight lawrence should be seven a lordy six and he's 25 there's just no way that jacob lordy is a bigger movie star than jennifer lawrence no way okay like florence pew can't open a movie well neither can jennifer lawrence anymore apparently which is like a tough thing to say yeah but you know don't look out cause i know hard feelings not like covering herself and box office glory there she rules i love her it's just sitting in your t-shirts that's literally it yeah uh all right well let's let's keep going okay number four is important yeah a little bit of recency bias here no and accepting the reality here we are number four is a 31 year old man named austin butler he was 20 unless i didn't realize we put him on after all this but we did yeah because i watched out about this and i was like that guy he has it yeah that guy when you're fat guys he's not really a fat guy he's always wearing that well i haven't seen a lot of evidence of him to be honest he's mostly just wearing the same chucker hat he's sort of doing like a gosling startorial move which i guess works for him and consistency is good but did you see i added top five gosling movies to the list for the fall guy episode no but that's exciting okay i feel like that'll be easy yeah uh austin butler my take is he's got the juice that is also my take i think he is weirdly captivating in june part two i really really love the decision to do stalin scars guard's voice in the movie uh and i love how annoyed dave batista must have been when he realized that he didn't do that uh he's great as elvis i think all the snakes but i think he's great in that movie um the bike riders he's bringing a very very classical energy to movies that most movie stars are not able to comport you know whether or not it totally works whether the movie works or not i think we can debate when one comes out in june but he and june together are pretty special and then eddington was the recently announced already asked her western that he's gonna be a part of so i feel like he's gonna he's here to say yes he's gonna be here for a while okay so now we come to the trickiest part of the podcast we're headed towards conclusion territory we're in the final three you must be sitting at home thinking to yourself gosh well emma stone's off the list and we haven't talked about three big names was emma number one last time i feel that she was i think so no that's not true last time it was the person that i put as number three this year but that you insist is number one yeah so in 2022 number one was margot robbie now margot robbie i thought that in 2022 timothee chalamet was number one i think that was in 2021 oh i see in 2021 it was timothee chalamet in 2020 it was emma stone yes emma stone's off chalamet's held the number one spot margot robbie's held the number one spot maybe this is just my synchronized mind wanting a new number one maybe it's responding to what's going on in the culture right now maybe i'm holding some things against margot robbie and timothee chalamet but i'm not holding against the other person that is competing which is zendaya so i had margot robbie at three timothee chalamet at two and zendaya at one there's a very simple reason that margot robbie has not opened an original movie ever she has been a supporting character in movies she's an italian very good kind of word nominated not really big box office hit she's a supporting character in one time in Hollywood very good but definitely the third league at best suicide squad comic movie amsterdam disaster we also made this list like right after we made it in anticipation of amsterdam that one oh it was before november no it's an maybe answer them had just come out okay well listen so you're the you are the number one bad one man so i am but i have to be honest that that didn't help her yeah it helped me sure but does any of that matter because of what happened next well i think it's important to talk about because barbie is the biggest movie last year it is like a seismic movie in the movie culture like it's a mega success 1.45 billion dollars worldwide she's the producer of the movie she is the person who said i want credit to do it but this is not 35 producers it's 35 movie stars so do you feel that barbie was the success that it was because of because of margot robbie's movie startup it was a huge part of it and her promotion of it i mean like do i think that margot robbie showing up in like a different barbie costume everywhere for eight months was like a major part of people being aware of that movie and being like sure i'll go to it yeah i do i mean also obviously it's called barbie and that helps like people have heard of that that's to me that works against it sure but i mean barbie is so far and away so much more successful than either of the movies that timothy chalamet and zendaya like have been a part of have quote unquote opened it's like and she did produce it which you know it's not the producers but the power of a movie star be like no no i will make this and i will be in it and this is how it'll be and then it'll make over a billion dollars it's kind of undeniable yeah i think you can be like the smartest person on the list but not necessarily the biggest star i i just i have a clear rationale for this yeah and it necessitates talking about our two other concerns and I would say that the distance between them is like a hair's breadth and you might look at the list like any person who just is on Twitter looks at the list and be like I personally we don't go out of our way to put MCU actors on the list and I feel like Barbie is never a similar category it is pre-branded IP from a huge studio that went all out to promote this movie to market this movie so it's got a leg up on it's like being like I'm in a dress park movie it's like you know obviously she's at the center to make creative decisions and I'm not taking that away from her but it's a very well-known property so inherently that can tell against it I was going to say like Dune and Wonka and also for Zendaya Dune and then what you have is Challengers which is for my money the best movie of the year so far had like a huge deal this past weekend respectfully $15 million is not $1.5 billion even in case it's a disappointing return though people have been trying to do the stats and it's romantic they're in the number one they're in the number one I think like Zendaya is ascendant she will be number one soon I think Challengers is like a major part in it I just still think what you've done 50% of that is Barbie plus she's in one scene in Astro City lights out steals the movie you love Babylon I don't know what to say about Amsterdam but like you know it's a terrible movie I mean just like absolute disaster but the rest of them she's at least making interesting choices and she is like very famous yeah I wonder if she's more famous than Zendaya I genuinely don't know I think it's probably age based if you're under 40 Zendaya is a much bigger deal if you're under 35 if you're 35 and over you're much more familiar with Margot Robbie because you've got Wolf of Wall Street you've got Once Upon a Time of Hollywood you've got like a more kind of Gen X millennial leaning crowd of people who were really like movies that she was in I think more people have seen Margot Robbie in a movie than have seen Zendaya in a movie just like rather worldwide I'm going to screw Jennifer Lawrence too so I don't necessarily that doesn't mean a lot to me like the same way that we're holding against Jennifer Lawrence well but we have Jennifer Lawrence at number 5 even though she has not done anything that anyone has seen in several years where would you put so do your configuration of the top 3 now I'm also in a little bit of a list making mode here obviously so I'm trying to keep it interesting but like what is your top 3 Zendaya 3, Chalamet 2, Margot Robbie number 1 right now I think most people would agree and I think that that will change and I think you know Margot Robbie is both aging out of this and Zendaya is ascendant and I think Chalamet is going to play Bob Dylan in a James Winkler movie and I don't know how people are going to respond to that people love Bob Dylan though so yeah I listen to him all the time honestly every week whenever I'm stuck and I'm like what should I listen to just go to Bob he's my go too because I'm still learning stuff I'm still figuring out the songs it's a great way to go through life just learn about yourself I've just been trapped in this podcast forever so I stay Zendaya 3 if you tell me to it's lunchtime again this wonderful podcast yeah Margot Robbie number 1 those are just facts I understand you want to paint a beautiful list to chisel on the big picture wall to have forever and a part of your grand project you need editorial both consistency and surprise but I think it's Margot Robbie number 1 I was an editor-in-chief one time that's something I used to do I think about these things I think you're right I think you're right so Margot Robbie 1 it's not the most interesting list-making decision I understand that here's what's holding me back let's just set aside Barbie for a second which I know is something you technically can't do because it was the biggest movie of last year but let's just set it aside for a second prior to that Margot Robbie's reputation was that she was box office poisoned now I don't agree with that that's not like a qualitative judgment I think she's an incredible actress I've talked about this many times but in Hollywood people are like she can't open a movie yeah but in Hollywood they're just like Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice you know what I'm saying she was like I'll do Captain America but for girls and it worked and it made a lot of money you wouldn't give Sebastian Stan credit for that you know what I mean that's not something in the axis of judgment this being the thing that makes her number one again but in some ways Tiffany Chalamet in Dune is doing it's a much bigger risk I think Dune's a much bigger risk but it's still built-in fan base I also think he gets made a point for Dr. Wonka Wonka is like cynical shit to the bone I know people liked it but that is a choice for building your startup it worked it was smart I just thought it was really cynical you can't tell me that the guy who's like fawning over Martin Scorsese is like I've always wanted to play 19 year old Willy Wonka that was silly seriously that's your own issues that you should work out on your own time I have worked through them and I'm defining clearly how I feel about them but it's all going to be okay this is a guy who's like all I want to do is make a safety about this movie but hold on I need to go make Wonka for six months listen the Kardashian child support payments are no joke did you see this rumor it was debunked that she was pregnant but now she's not she was not pregnant that was an edited photo do you think that he should be docked one spot on the list because of that rumor I think that he should just be at number two I think Zendaya is more famous than Timothee Chalamet but that may not matter Wonka made $700 million worldwide she's in the Spider-Man movies like what are we talking about here she's the girlfriend she's the girlfriend he was the girlfriend in Little Women you know what happens it happens it's alright he was the girlfriend in Lady Bird I understand but then like I challenged Timothee Chalamet to make one challenger I'm so hungry can we just decide the only reason I wanted to do this podcast was to have this discussion but we did this is probably what it's like I know it's not fun to be friends with me or to be in a relationship because I'm just like I know what I think it is and you can talk as much as you want what you're describing is every listener's relationship to you why is she so decided on something that she hasn't explored explore it with me why won't Timothee Chalamet look me in the eye and say Sean I will do my own challengers I ask him with sincerity in my heart maybe he will maybe you'll cry through the whole movie yeah maybe I like James Mangold you too I'm the only person on earth who's like walk the line I was moved by it that's not true the Academy but the same way I gave out Oscar prizes for it why won't she make a movie she's making TV now she's got to like bail out the valuation of Hell of Sunshine or whatever okay we're settled so it's Zendaya at 3 it's Timothee Chalamet at 2 and it's Margot Robbie at 1 Margot Robbie's 33 it's plausible that by the next time we do this she won't be when's her birthday Google it Margot Robbie July 2nd oh so she's about to be 34 so in all likelihood if we wait another 18 months she'll be off the list and then it'll be a showdown between Paul and Johnny and every other actor of Future in Dune you think Boston Butler will rise Florence Pugh I don't see that coming for playing what's her name it's Dune versus Ephoria plus once upon a time in Hollywood once upon a time in Hollywood has Austin Butler Sydney Sweeney Margot Robbie Margot Qualley that's 4 I think that's it pretty good 4 let's recap you're gonna read them all I think so 35 Brie Larson 34 Avery R.

Hona 33 Hunter Schaefer 32 Kaylee Spaney 31 Aaron Taylor Johnson 30 Joshua Conner 29 Kiki Palmer 28 Jesse Buckley 27 Dakota Johnson 26 Mia Goff 25 Rachel Zegler 24 Io Devery 23 Margot Qualley 22 Daisy Edgar Jones 21 Bill Skarsgård 20 Jodie Comer 19 Millie Bobby Brown 18 Taylor Swift 17 Ricky Stanfield 16 Deb Patel 15 Saoirse Ronan 14 Barry Keoghan 13 Tom Holland 12 Kristen Stewart 11 Jenna Ortega 10 Annie Taylor-Joy 9 Paul Meskel 8 Florence Pugh 7 Jacob Elordi 6 Sidney Sweeney 5 Jennifer Lawrence 4 Austin Butler 3 Zendaya 2 Timothy Chalamet 1 Margot Robbie was it successful? yeah I feel like it was actually less you know argumentative than these can be okay until it becomes public and then everyone argues with the list I don't listen to that you know once again this is something that we do and we come to a consensus between these two people and that is how podcasts work Bob what was the critical mistake made in the episode? you not doing that recap list and Bob Dylan voice that's something I'd like to work on a little bit before we get to the completely unknown episode because I think I got it I can do like all the have you ever seen James Austin Johnson on the tonight show doing the five eras of Bob Dylan's voice? it's one of the best in this podcast now Amanda needs a sandwich I have a sandwich I'm just waiting to be released from this prison of you being like did you ever see a late night clip about Bob Dylan's voice over time Bob Dylan pod coming soon when the time comes I will be there and I will be ready hey Mrs.

Tambourine Woman featuring Amanda Dobbins I think you guys got it exactly right no one is going to have anything about changing any of these spots perfect thanks Jack thanks to Leia thanks to Bobby Wagner for his work on this episode more movie stars later this week old movie stars Ryan Gosling and Emily Blunt they are older than you? yes barely yes but they are we'll be talking with the fall guy we'll see you then