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I'm Amanda Dabbins. And this is the Big Picture A Conversation Show about the Oscars and everything afterwards from the House of R trial by content, the Press News TV podcast live and direct from South by Southwest in Austin, Texas. We're joined by our pal Joanna Robinson. Hi, Jo.
Oh, hi. I had a wild Oscar viewing experience this year. I was in a packed bar full of people just screaming their heads off for Brian Gosling and the rest. So it was really not fun.
Two people respect the talking and the speeches. Everyone gets quiet. And then, okay, that was not my experience last year. I was in the wrong bar last year where, like, not everyone was paying attention and the sound quality was bad.
We picked a different bar this year. It was a dedicated Oscar party bar. And they turned down the volume at the commercials and there were like raffles and trivia questions and stuff like that. And then they turned the volume back up and I heard everything.
Did you win anything in the raffle? I won zero. No, actually that's not true. Well, I didn't win, but my friend won an inflatable Michelobe cooler that will fit in my suitcase.
So it will be coming up with me. But I have yet to discover, we haven't inflated yet. I don't know how obscenely large this cooler is. And I can't wait to find out when I get home.
Joanna, no free ads on this podcast, unless it's an $800 teacup for Amanda, in which case there have been several free ads. A generic beer brand, $250. And you know, Mother's Day is in May. OK, well, all the Gen Z babies can get it for you.
We won't be getting it for you here on the show. Joanna, you're here, of course, because you, in addition to being a host of, I don't know, Fit Nerd Culture Pods, TV Pods, you're also an avid watcher. I got to put her in a box like that. I'm expanding the purview.
I mean, she's covered the Oscars many years at Andy Fair. She's joined us on the show many times. But we didn't actually get to talk to much about the races this year. So I wanted to have you join us as well.
And also because I think there's a critical film that may be a part of the 2025 Oscars discourse. So I want to get ahead of that a little bit today. We do have a mailbag. We'll get into the mailbag before that.
I did mention to you guys before we started a little bit of an e-cropod for me today, because the Oscars ratings came out. A hobby horse of mine for many years, sadly. One of the most pathetic things about my life is my interest in the Oscars ratings. They were up this year.
They were up 4%. I think I said at one point during the pod, maybe 27 million. I think you said 28. So that did not happen.
There are a variety of reasons for that. I think Matt Bellamy has been tracking this very wisely, that the show is not available by streaming. There was some concern about daylight savings time. They started the show at 7 PM Eastern this year.
And also nobody watches your television. And also the ratings in the 1849 demo were down. And young people, Gen Z in fact, don't care. They do not care very much.
Now the show did get up to 21 and a half million for the final half an hour to see the final award, which I thought was notable. However, a little bit of a death blow for my nominee and award the biggest movies theory that's been going on for years. I wonder if we just missed, we're just in a new phase, a new era that that no longer applies. And I have to be comfortable.
Correct. Yes, right? Yes, as I have said to you many times. Just be on generous.
On this podcast. No, I will say I do think it was a weird day that daylight savings plus the time shift. I have a Gen Z anecdote, which is my friend Izzy. Hi Izzy showed up to her Oscar party at 3.45 ready to watch the Oscars.
And the hosts were like, what are you doing here? It doesn't start till 6 PM because they thought pushed back an hour, men an hour later. So, you know, that's, that's what's up with Gen Z. OK.
Love to them. I mean, one more reason to frankly, to get Joanna in studio for future episodes like this, but also so that I can attend South by Southwest, which is just let's have the Oscars in February so that we don't have any savings time. Please. And South by would appreciate that as well.
Yeah, I kind of want to split the difference and say I kind of agree with Sean's theory and that I do think people more people are talking about the Oscars. Like whether or not people were watching it and there's just like a certain mass, critical mass of ratings that we kind of have to give up on, you know, in 2024. But in terms of clip circulating, people being excited about wins, etc, I do think Oppenheimer winning or Robert Deine Jr. winning after his illustrious career or, you know, all the Barbie moments, like all of that stuff.
I think it helps the, the Oscars feel like a matter. And that to me is almost as important as the ratings question. Yeah. My own wife actually just watched clips on YouTube of the show.
She did not watch the telecast. And when I got home, she was just on the Oscars YouTube page. Right. And you know what she was clocking really was she's a fan of the E.
Billy Eilish song and she also was out on I'm just Ken. So I was sharing with her some of your point of view about this. Yeah. And then we started looking at the data, which is to say how many views each song had.
And when we looked at it, the, what was I made for? I had like 10 X. Yeah. I'm just can't view.
So I was stunned by the children are lost in the wilderness. They don't know what time the Oscars start and they just turn on their YouTube and they play it over and over again while they sit in their room watching TikTok. I'm not the Oscars. Okay.
Well, shame on them. Shame on them for failing me after all these years of my, my, my, my, but Oscars, but Oscars clips on TikTok. Yeah. That's the thing.
It's, it's, it's the linear TV thing. It's your old school, you know, as Brian Curtis often, like tweets about, you know, whatever sports game ratings will not meaningfully affect your life. And I guess this sort of does affect your life, Sean, but it doesn't anymore. I mean, this is, I got a lot of information.
We got to let go. It's not broadcasting where people are watching and clips and after the fact and they, I, they should figure out how to monetize that. But so that's actually the thing. That's my, my one last thing about this is trying to figure out what the future solution is for this.
Because, you know, we didn't, I don't think we got any data about the SAG Awards on Netflix, but I think what you want is you want both, you want the optionality to be able to view a show like this on a platform where a younger viewer is more likely to go because they just don't have linear TV or they don't think to put it on. And you also want to be able to serve the 39 to 97 year olds who are used to just flipping on ABC at a certain time or not at a certain time and watching the show that way and find a way to make both of those things profitable for award shows and things like this to continue. I don't know if they're going to figure that out. It's been flumm, flumm mixing major corporations that have entertainment services for the last 10 years and the streaming wars are now in this state of disrepair, in part because nobody knows how to make money on this stuff anymore.
So they broke it, they broke the Oscars. I'm not happy about it when movies are back. So we're going to go forward. Joanna, what are your big thoughts about the telecast in general?
Did you like it? What was the most fun thing you saw? I loved it. I thought that was the best Oscars you've had in a long time.
I think, and I think I agree with you guys on this point, the bringing back like all the former winners to present, it was just one of their best moves, I thought, because like, I mean, if you're not going to get Gen Z or the vaguely interested, let's say, to make it less generational, to watch your show, then what we've always been saying is like, then really dig in to pitching this towards people who love movies and people who love movies. Love watching these former actors. Like, when, uh, whoever was sitting next to, when they, I hadn't paid attention to which former winners they were getting to present the awards and, uh, in advance of ceremony. And so when the sort of screens came down highlighting who was coming out and I saw that Nicholas Cage was coming out, I just started like smacking the person next to me.
I was like, they got Cage. I'm about to have such a good time. And I did because I think Nicholas Cage presenting a Paul Jimani, well, Paul Jimani just smirked and then left. But first smirked, like what is going on here was that was the highlight of the ceremony for me.
That was, I mean, that is just like, I'm just, Ken was a beautiful extravaganza and I loved it. And it's only slightly below Paul Jimani smirking at Nicholas Cage doing whatever he was doing in that moment. So like, we've been asking for that segment to come back for a long time. I always loved it.
Um, and the only thing that was missing in terms of things that I beg for are montages. We didn't have like the celebratory montages. I love a montage. Um, I could have stood for those, but yeah, I really thought this was a really what would you have celebrated in your montages this year?
Give me some peace. Um, explosions in honor of Oppenheimer. Let's just go through the years of movie explosions. Absolutely.
Just imagine the White House getting blown up from Independence Day during the Oscars. You know, who says no, not me. Just keep blowing up the White House. I mean, it happened to many a time until it didn't.
Um, you know, and then we moved over to the Golden Gate Bridge getting blown up a bunch. Um, yeah, I don't know what would you highlight. I mean, I guess you could do dream ballets as well. You could have loved that.
Letting time with that. Yeah. Of course I would have loved it. What about underwritten supporting parts for females in a story about a great name?
Angry Lives. Angry Lives. The Angledri in the sheets. Yeah.
Yeah. Laundry in movies. Come on. Yeah.
How about just like a montage of all the women who have won Oscars for that role? Sure. Yeah. Emily Blunt, be like, I thought this was guaranteed for me.
Yeah. Let's assume Beatrice straight and let her speak directly to Emily Blunt's nomination. That would have been beautiful. What is what is Jennifer Connolly doing?
Can I submit adding 20 pounds of muscle for a role as a montage of guys who guys and gals? So guys and gals are going to have pounds of muscle for a role. I love it. Fortunately, Zac Efron was not represented in Academy Awards on Sunday night.
Sadly, he was too busy rewatching his work in Ricky Steniki. Um, any other, what wins did you like? Were there any anything surprise you? I must, I mean, I must don't.
And I was like, I was along with everyone very certain that Lily was going to get it. Um, even though I know it was like in the air that it could have swung the other way. Um, and in terms of like best speeches, um, I was, I was trying to think like, which speech, there were only speeches that moved me emotionally the way that a lot of them did last year. Um, I think just a lot of these winners were out of gas, um, having, you know, won so many awards previously, like down, he gave some great speeches earlier in the season.
And I thought this speech was fine. Um, but I thought I'm a stone for the work she had to do to not seem like the villain of that moment. I think she did an incredible job. Uh, like the two pronged, you know, sort of dedicating to the other women in her category, and especially just during to Lily in that moment, um, talking about the conversation out with your girls about how this one was about her.
It was about the whole film, represent the whole film. And then just the whole like, my dress is broken. Like, I was, I was both true, but also sort of pitches her as this, like, I don't know what's happening, uh, sort of figure, um, that I think I thought that was a masterclass. I thought that was incredible.
Yeah. She's really good at what she does. Yeah. Is it studied or is it natural?
I think it's, I think it is natural. I think it is part of her like skill set. It is part of the package. She's also an amazing actor, but she is very funny.
She's great comedic timing, like both in films and just in the world. And she just is savvy and honestly, just seems like someone you would want to spend time with, you know, and you know what, like maybe she is. Maybe it's as simple as that. Like a rare good one came through, but I do think that it is part of what makes her good movies are.
I think it's leaning in something that's natural to her, but leaning into her because she knows it's effective. Yeah. As part of her charm. It's like a podcast host, you know, you just got to amp up just a little bit, whatever's most natural about you.
No, your bits, no, your bits, you know, what do you think of the John Meleany is auditioning for host next year, discourse? I mean, I love that bit. And I was so at the bar with me as Mallory Rubin and Mallory Rubin, and I were just sort of like muttering things along with him. We're like, yes, I'm like, yes, hot dog, yes, yes, yeah, me Hoffman.
Yes. So I love that bit. It's essentially. I know bingo card that holds this unbelievable.
It really was. If you had Timothy Busville on your Oscar Bingo card, I sleep you. Um, the, that's, I mean, it's essentially his fugitive bit from one of his shows, like from several years ago, but I love that bit. So I wasn't mad about it.
Um, I thought it was perfect. Do I want Meleany as host, uh, you know, I'm not sure because I think he's so funny, but I think we've fallen to a trap of previous years of, I think the who should make themselves kind of invisible, which is what Kimmel does so well. He's, he's so good. He's such a sure hand, but he just sort of blends into the background and makes the show about the show and not about him versus, let's say, like Ellen, like sort of frantically trying to make the show the Ellen show in a certain degree.
So I think I don't think Meleany would be able to disappear the way that I kind of like a Billy, I think the reason Billy Crystal and Kimmel are effective, are they just kind of like, they're all reliable, um, but not trying to make the narrative about them at the end of the day. I thought about this too. I really, um, I really like Meleany as a comedian quite a bit and I always have since I first saw him, but there is a, or an IQ aspect to his comedy that is essential when you're a solo performer, but when you're in this context, it's a little different and, you know, Kimmel is a classical broadcaster. That's not necessarily always the role of the Oscar host, you know, Bob Hope was a movie star and, and the Vaudevillian before that.
And obviously Billy Crystal was a movie star too, you know, so you can, you can be both, John Lee kind of none of those things, you know, he's, what is not a movie star? He's not really a somebody who's hosted a TV show before. He's just a great stand up. And I'm not sure if that would, I don't know.
We have the governor's award sample, which was two notches down in the I tell about 10 sure, but and he was speaking to spirits, nominee. And yeah, exactly. So we have evidence that he can adjust a little bit. He was doing a bit on, you know, because that was his job.
He shows up and does the job. The other thing, the children love John Lee. That's that's the reason to do it. If you, you know, want to try to get the next generation invested in the actual show as opposed to the clips or it had the much more clips.
It'd be interesting to have the concept of how much would younger audiences show up for a more familiar face? You know, Jimmy Kimmel is not a brand to 22 year old cine files. So I don't know if that, I don't know if it'll happen. I don't know if it really matters.
I think him with a great job on Sunday might have been his best job that he did, even though he, you know, kind of saved that long and moonlight moment, which was incredibly memorable. But it was just an excellent telecast. I really enjoyed it. One thing that a bunch of people pointed out to me on social media yesterday was that the BAFTA's, which I completely discounted this year in part because of the results last year and the way that they have changed their nominating process actually matched to a scary degree, the winners in every key category, which I thought was quite interesting.
I think there are some reasons for that. There were a preponderance of more British leaning or European films that were in play this year, obviously Oppenheimer from a British American filmmaker, but you've also got Jonathan Glaser in this one of interest. You've got your ghosts and poor things, which leans very British, even though he's a Greek filmmaker, but that was fascinating this year. I mean, I think like, I mean, they got the point of her and they got 20 days in Mary a poll, they matched on like even categories on the line, screen, the screen plane, the American fiction win, which kind of indicated cleanly that chord was going to win that category.
So they matched on zero of the six major categories last year. And on, I think 11 or 12 of 12 in the majors this year. So now I don't know what to think about the BAFTAs and what they mean. It might just be year by year because there are some years where like, well, that's not for example, it's not even nominated at the BAFTAs.
It was hard to take that category seriously from my perspective. So I'm not sure. Their nominations process is still so unique and frankly confusing that it's really hard to invest in them in terms of nominations, predictions. Now, if like, if it happens that their committee gets it, you know, aligns with Oscar, then I think the voting bases are still representative enough and maybe a little more quote unquote international or like not American focused should be an indicator, but I'll just never understand their committees.
Yeah, I don't like the committee thing. The last year's main sweep was everything everywhere at once. And that is just, you know, including two actors. I mean, I just think that that is a film that is never going to appeal to the the BAFTAs audience for a number of reasons.
Genre, they have a naughty history with, you know, race at the BAFTAs. So I think the Oppenheimer being very white as you say, British production makes sense that there was that. Historically, I thought it was fascinating that they've owned the BAFTAs match the Academy Awards only twice in the last 10 years on best picture, just twice. So for all of the predictiveness of this year, it's historically very, very different.
And part, I think because of what you're describing, this is the group that has never nominated them to Washington. And they're making efforts to change that, but also not succeeding at the same time. They also did not nominate little glads. So it's a curious thing.
We'll keep an eye on it. You want to cover the BAFTAs much more closely next year? I'd love to attend. Yeah.
And maybe Kate Middleton will be back. Oh, OK. You bring hers in your date? Yeah.
OK, interesting. What if it's an AI generation Kate Middleton? They released the metadata and it was. I think we did a whole jam session about this.
And I think that there are a lot of PR and publicity questions to be asked of the Kensington Palace staff. I think she's OK. I don't think it was AI. I think the Vogue cover theory is absolutely preposterous and people like conspiracy theorists on the internet need to respect themselves and us, you know, like we may have gone too far with that.
But as she's welcome as my day. All right, good to know. Let's talk a little bit about 2025 Oscars before we get into the mailbag. Now, really the only movie that we've seen that is going to be competing might be the most important movie that is competing, which is doing part two.
There have been roughly 18 episodes on the Ring of Earth about doing part two. There's been one episode on the big picture. It is a masterful film from a masterful filmmaker. Joe, you liked it?
Loved it. Loved it. My favorite thing, because I got to watch it with you guys. My favorite thing in the lobby is when you asked me, you're like, did you like it?
Joe? And I was like, I did. And you're like, isn't it great when we can all disagree on a thing? I agree.
I like I love to love things and I love that we all love it. Um, yeah, the Dune too narrative is so interesting because we have a question later perhaps about what what what if of if Dune too had been in the Oscar race this year? And that's I think a really interesting thing to think about. But my theory has been they're going to hold off on giving Dune the top prizes until the third one's done the return to the King approach to awarding a franchise trilogy, though certainly in the technical categories, it's going to be a heavy hitter.
But that's that sort of where I'm on to part two. Like I don't anticipate there's there's the coupling of it's coming out so early in the year and they know he's making a third one. That makes me think that they might hold off and give it all to him at the end of the trilogy. What do you think?
What do you think about that? I think that's smart. I hadn't connected it to the return of the King, but I do think agree with Joe that I think it'll have a lot of success in below the line categories and probably won't take home best picture just because the economy is still just snobs about genre about sci fi and Christopher Nolan finally won when he made like a biopic about, you know, quote unquote, I mean, not quote unquote that certainly they are important ideas, but he made what the Academy is a quote unquote important film as opposed to a sci fi spectacular. So, you know, we've come a long way.
We've not come that far. And I mean, I'd be curious whether part three wins just because I heard that, well, I read some Wikipedia pages. Sean doesn't know what happens in part three. I heard you and Chris will have some deep dive.
Yeah, sure. And I'm curious whether there will be as much spectacle. Yeah. So this is not this is my theory about this, not knowing just knowing basically what you all have shared with me, which is that things are quite weird.
And the storytelling is unusual and some of it goes into the future. That weird in book three, but maybe what it doesn't have maybe is that sense that return of the Jedi return of the King sense of kind of grandeur and finality at the end of a trilogy. And obviously the difference between this trilogy and the Lord of the Rings trilogy is that the three films were announced and promoted together at the outset. And that wasn't the case here.
In fact, I think most common moviegoers up until like many people had seen it were expecting that to might somehow be the cat on the story. I think Christopher Nolan kind of gave the game away a little bit when he gave an interview with Denny that when he said that this was the Empire Strikes Back of this generation, which indicated its audiences like this isn't the end of the story. A year ago, I think I thought it was going to be the end of the story. But aren't you glad that Chris were no one's off on the ground because when you thought part one was just I mean, I just have a lot of problems.
You know what I'm saying? I don't know what to say. My expectations are unreasonable and I always appreciate Christopher Nolan these days as you know. But I wonder if three is more weird or less emotionally satisfying if they'll be more emotional.
Okay. It is. Yeah. It is going to be more emotional.
But I think to your like you're you're not incorrect. I mean, the and Chris and I sent you for your perception from what we did. But I think because of all the things he's changed already, he's kind of locked himself out of directly adapting the third book because he's made such monumental changes. And so I think he's I think the third installment is going to be the most different from the books.
And he has no interest in any of the books beyond the second book, which would be his third film because then it gets truly bonkers and he's like, that's not really the story I want to tell. So I think and it will be very emotional. I mean, can I just say the words human sandworm to you? I am aware of that.
I love that later. That's not in book three. But I love looking at the subtitles of all the, you know, the fifth, sixth, seventh books, they're all like Dune Kolin mega fuck God, you know, they're all so weird. And anyway, I think two part two is a very worthy contender.
Obviously it was nominated for best picture of Villanuve was not nominated for director back in 2021. The film is six below the line Oscars in 2021. So would it just be a repeat of that? Is there any do you think there's any case for acting awards?
It's hard to say we're so early in the game. But also this feels like it's going to be one of the three or four biggest movies of the year that also was critically claimed. But it's also up against another Max movie, which took all the below the line awards during its first year. No, I don't know if you're just gonna be the phenomenon that Max really was obviously people, the reactions to the trailer have been mixed.
But I also don't think anyone thought the first film was going to do what it did. So, you know, it do do like do part two up against Oppenheimer feels somewhat doing part two up against Furio said theoretically, in that I could see it just not being like a clean sweep the way Oppenheimer was a clean sweep this year. Acting awards. Or damn, or damn, Bartam.
I hope you could compete. I don't think he'll win, but I would I would do Ferguson, honestly, in supporting. I would enjoy that. I would love to spend 12 months with Rebecca Ferguson on the campaign.
That would be fantastic. The the the quick clip. It's the best thing. The popcorn bucket.
No, no, there's a quick there's a quick moment in doing part two where Bartam witnesses something that has just happened that shall me as characters done and he turns and looks at Roland and says, he's very, very, very quickly. And it's one and a half seconds and just posting that video on social media connected to pretty much anything is pure comedy right now. I hope they get it. You know, it's unusual.
I want to say, am I crazy? Was Alec Guinness nominated for Star Wars? I feel like he was. He was.
Alec Guinness was nominated for Best Supporting Actor for playing Obi-Wan Kenobi. And there is a history of acting nominations in genre films for grand old men, effectively. I'm not sure if we have a true one to one. Is Javier Bardem in his grand old man?
No, it's more his guy fall face. Yeah. Yeah, it's hamming it up a little bit in such a fun way. I'm not sure if I see it.
Chris, super walking would be the old man. You would. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
I did. Yeah, I did. I love what Christopher Walken brought to the game, but I don't know that the world wanted what he had to offer. That's my take on walking.
So I made this list of 38 movies. We don't have to name all these movies. Obviously there are potentially Oscar films. I'm sure there will be others.
You know, I noted yesterday anatomy of a fall is a movie that not very many people outside France had heard of at this time last year. The big one that is coming that we've been discussing a little bit is Megalopolis, which is the next and maybe final film from Francis Ford. A couple of films he's been working towards for decades. It's kind of impossible to know whether this is an awards movie or not.
You could see the campaign in your mind, but having not seen the film. I mean, it could go many different ways, you know, it could be. It could be. Holding space for it.
I don't hold space for anything. What? Wow. Other people are doing that work, you know, just looking to your mind.
It's always fascinating. Are you holding any space for it, Joanna? Yeah, absolutely. Any other movies on here you look at and you think for best picture is definitely going to be the best picture.
I always wonder if this is one of those like small movie years. That's what I'm thinking. I do. It really feels like a movie we're not we don't even see coming.
I mean, even despite your ghost's involvement, I don't remember poor things being like an early conversation thing either. It seemed like such an oddity. I don't remember it being in the main conversation. I think there's something interesting though about movies like Zone of Interest and Poor Things and Boy in the Heron also just winning, winning awards.
You know, we talked to this a little bit and yeah, I have to put it at the parasite and then I kind of got a little grouchy about it when Coda won and then everything ever roll at once one and I'm like, I don't think they award stuff that they never would have awarded 15, 20 years ago. So I think I have put here a series of like largely prestigious seeming movies, give or take your joke, joke or foliadoo or Furiosa kind of movie. But maybe those are not the movies that we should be looking at as closely. You know, maybe we should be looking at, I saw the TV glow, you know, maybe we should be looking at inside out too.
The one that is really interesting to me, I'm quite curious about how this film is received when it comes down six weeks as challengers. There's a challengers question in our mailbag. I don't want to give away in any of my thoughts about challengers, but I wonder, I wonder. It was supposed to come out in the fall.
It was supposed to be the debut at the Venetton festival. That's right. Sadly for you. I was it was taken from you.
It was taken right from your presence. Sorry. I'm seeing a Thursday. So okay.
And Sean C. Nobody's playing. Right. The state of the story.
I'm not yet. I'm quite curious. We'll discuss more soon. Okay.
Any other films? I mean, what jumps out to you on this list? Anything notable? Did I get blitz in the movie?
Option? I think I didn't buy it back and then spent more money in the movie. Option but ultimately did get it. That's the Steve McQueen, Saoirse Ronan, Harris, Dickinson, World War II, World War II, you know, the Academy does not have a great history of, I mean, I guess they recognize 12 years of slave, but then just ignored widows, ignored.
What was the collection of short films called? Small acts. Well, we're not not eligible. Listen, okay.
They ignored shame. Yeah. You know, fast bender, flexing in more ways. Putting it all out there.
Yeah. And this is being released by Apple. So that's always interesting. Yeah, we'll see what that one.
Yeah. I mean, I was reported in a like a list, I think on deadline of like potential can films. It is not it was not in that list of people surmised that it's not going to be a can. That's the thing is there's probably gonna be something at least one thing coming out of can we don't know about that it's gonna be strong here.
You know, it's things saying the new A24 Coleman Domingo movie, the trailer for that just came out last week. You know, there's obviously a lot of admiration for Coleman Domingo right now. It's the kind of story about a man who's helping put on Shakespeare inside of prison. It feels like Beatty, but I don't again, I don't know what that stuff means.
What is the mean? It's like a nice match. All at TIFF, but it really is buzzing around South by right now because it aired here. I'm screen here.
And the number one thing I've heard from people, the consensus is Coleman Domingo is going to get nominated for sing and could even wait off sing. And that would be interesting, like nominated this year, wins next year. That would be interesting. Keep him as the parties.
Keep him on the campaign. Let him do more of any fair videos with Pedro Pascal. Please. I mean, did you see any of that stuff?
I did some of these. I just absolute gold. You can really see the euphoria season three Q1 2025 dovetailing with the Oscar campaign where he wins kind of like Coleman Domingo is here now thing on the horizon, right? Yeah, they just got to finish those grips for euphoria season.
Yeah. Have you been working on those? Yeah, you know me. Yeah.
You got some incredible insights and more young people these days. Gladier or two. We'll see. Sure.
OK. You know what? I was struck watching the Oscars and just reminded like Napoleon was there and like half the the below the line categories. It was.
Yeah. And yet it felt like it didn't exist. Right. But listen, Ridley Ridley spends the money, if not the time and and has attention.
He spends time in his van directing the movies from the van. You know, he's just trying to stay safe. I understand he's got this incredible fleet of people who've been working for him for 20 years. Sometimes the movies work.
Sometimes they don't. Gladier or two. I'm open minded. Yeah, it's an unusual set up.
I'm going to flag one thing. This is just a shot in the dark. I'm just calling a shot. There's a movie that is meant to come out this year that's called the apprentice directed by Ali Abbasi, the dis-starring Sebastian Stan, and which he's playing Donald Trump.
And I I'm just flagging it for the room right now. I hate that for all of us. First of all, I want to put that out there. Just think about the festivals, think about election season, think about how much they love a prosthetic maniacs transformation for Sebastian.
Just think about it. You know, I think Maria Bakalova isn't that film as well. I think she's playing Ivanka. Is that right?
Wow. Yeah. OK, wait, she's playing Ivanka, which means he's playing like old. Well, it's the apprentice is the apprentice.
Oh, right. Excuse me. I think it's Ivana. Oh, OK.
OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, that makes more sense. I can't on the scene by the time of the apprentice. I mean, I see a clever title again. I don't know very much about this, but I'm just just just I'm holding space for the OK, wow, Ali Basi's last movie, Holy Spider, interesting film, serial killer movie, clearly very influenced by David Fincher.
You know, Barry Jenkins doesn't move coming up this time. Yeah, Mufasa. Mufasa. How are you guys doing with Mufasa in your household?
Lion King is running shit. Yeah, but who is the favorite character in the home? Scar. Yeah, right.
And you have a Mufasa doll that Alice calls car. That's correct. It's very complicated. Listen, Alice is very.
Jeremy, well, she's very drawn to the villains of these films. And I don't know what that means for her long term safety and health, but I want to support her taste. OK, I want her to find things that she cares about. Will she reject the film Mufasa Colin the Lion King because it's about her not favorite?
Probably not. OK, I think she'll probably want to check it out. OK. Do you remember to go back?
Yeah, can I go back to the apprentice because I just have a little bit more information, right? This is 70s and 80s Trump is what we're doing. OK, so that is about. Jeremy Strong is playing Roy Cohn.
Hell, yeah. Hell, yes. And as Fred Trump Donald Trump's Martin Donovan of Mission Pause. Yeah, it's incredible.
Yeah. I need to lie down. There we go. Solar pod for me.
One you and Hillary do it after you host Oscars. Yeah. Should Hillary host the Oscars with you? Wasn't that the joke?
What were you guys? Oh, no, you were going to host a screening of something and for me. I've been getting a lot of suggestions. Yeah, I have some off the mic feedback for you about those.
It doesn't matter. It's lost. OK, should we do some other questions? Do it.
OK, wax. First question comes from Siva. And the Oscars preview pod when you estimated a four hour show because it's starting at seven, you said what else would ABC do before local news at 11? Aaron episode of Abbott Elementary at 10 30.
That would be weird to do actually not know. Or was it a giant coincidence? I did not know. I had no idea.
I guess I have a future in television programming. Wow. That's an bright feature because ratings are up. That's right.
I do announce that the new linear TVs are and we're seeing great news. And no, of course, it makes sense. It's very similar to the Super Bowl in this real world era show afterwards. It seemed like that the at an elementary episode, which featured Bradley Cooper, actually.
I can see that. Yeah. Yeah. Did it.
Yeah. Listen, my guy keeps working, keeps trying. He definitely is trying. Yeah.
He's trying. I was so happy to see him there. You know, that made me really feel at home. Her sunglasses inside.
Great. She rules. She rules. How much do you think she gets paid by T-Mobile for those commercials?
You think he negotiated like an equal rate for him and for her? Sean is the linear TV man on the podcast. What do you think? Yeah.
Let me just consult my spreadsheet on this issue. Looks like roughly $300 million was key. OK. So that's maybe that's why our business isn't down the tubes.
All right. The real first question comes from lucky and about 35 other people, at least. Do you think Dune Choo would have put a dent into Oppenheimer seven wins if it hadn't been postponed? I mean, let's go through them.
Oppenheimer did not win a visual effects. It was not even nominated. So that is everything. I don't know if no one told you about everything in that movie is real.
Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah. Production design went to poor things.
So what did Oppenheimer win? Cinematography? No, I don't think it would have. I don't think Dune Choo would have taken it away.
I agree. Also, Greg Fraser won in 2020. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Score. No, I don't think that Hans Zimmer would have taken it away, even though everybody loves a Hans Zimmer editing. I hope not because I want Jennifer Lane to be my best friend and I'm trying to recruit more friends with Oscars.
Yes. But also, yeah. The editing of Oppenheimer is like one of the most exciting things about it. OK, so those are three of the below the line.
What else am I missing below the line? I think that's it for Oppenheimer because it won film director, best actor and best supporting actor. So, you know, unless you think it was competing, unless you think Dene is going to be competing and taking Christopher Nolan's moment away or you think it's going to win best picture. I agree.
I don't really think it would have put a dent in any of those wins. Now, would it have put a dent in some of poor things as wins? Would it have challenged in costume? Would it have challenged in production design, makeup and hair styling?
I think all of those are on the table. That would have been interesting to see. What would it have meant for a Bardem figure to have been in the supporting actor role? I don't think it would have posed a threat for best picture at all.
And I think it worked out for the best for everybody. You don't think Hansi Zimmer, my guy, would have played a lot of movie now. Yeah, they do. I think he also had just a great story to tell with that because the movie, the, can you hear the music moment, is such an easy way to sell the excellence of the score.
And what we had that great story about, basically, his wife, who is a violinist, being at the center of the critical composition of the movie. Also, he's just like a very nice guy. And Hans is like a huge figure in movies, but he's been awarded many times. And we know that story.
And I think that there's a lot of warmth towards Ludwig is something that was apparent to me during the season. So I don't think it went for the first one. Yeah, he did score. Yeah.
So and that's maybe, maybe there's enough news for and do to take us there. Though I think the love theme in do to is a word worthy and I will be personally campaigning for Hans Zimmer and his team, the whole team of composers that work for Hans Zimmer. This works. That's, I mean, that's the other one spoken thing.
Of course, Hans Zimmer is brilliant, but he employs a very large faction of instrumentalists and composers who help him execute on these massive stories. What's your favorite Hans Zimmer score? You're just out here assassinating our like our musical legends. I don't really have any information that is widely known.
I know, but first John Williams, now Hans Zimmer, you just get him out of here. Well, we need new blood. Like what do the Oscars tell us? We need new blood.
Get these oldsters out of here. Get this linear TV generation out of here. You know, let me get my TikTok composers out here. I'm riding with all my gen Z, you know, cinephiles.
All my true homies. Check me out. The good news for Hans Zimmer is that for some many people reason they played the powers of the Caribbean theme during the Oscars. So he was represented.
That's great. That was really weird. Some curious, you know, some curious walk off choices. Yeah.
Ricky Minor. OK, what's next question, Bobby? Next question comes from Maddie. Which discourse are you most excited for the world to move on from post Oscars?
Amanda. I'll quote Hunter Harris, who is excited to never have to hear the Billy Eilish song again. Me too. OK.
Was there a discourse about that? I feel like you were the engineer. Yeah, right. And now I've moved on.
I feel like Billy was also a little done like singing this song. Yeah. I mean, she was not like her performance is amazing. She seemed actually very quite emotional at the end of it.
But in all her like red carpet combos at night, she's like, it's been a long season. And we sure hope we're not nominated again next year. We don't want to be. So, you know, I think we should just give Bradley Cooper a break.
I think I just let Bradley Cooper live for a little while. That's what I think. I didn't care for my store, but leave Bradley alone. That's what I think you know, my takes put a gun that guy's hand.
You know, let him let him work for the FBI. I agree that we need to leave him alone and let him keep cooking, you know, and let him keep plumbing the depths of his own psyche. He's kind of been giving this sense that he while he loves filmmaking is a great filmmaker. Like also weirdly kind of wants to host a talk show or something, you know, like he just he likes just being out there.
You know, there's like an addictive thing that happens when you're when you're very present and you just want to be on all the time. You see this with, you know, people go on talk shows and become like well known for being on those talks shows in more modern times you see with podcasts. So people can't stop posting podcasts. It feels like Bradley's a little like hooked up to the machine right now.
And this is how I can be formed. Mentously, I find him tremendously awkward in those scenarios because actors on actors without a stone, I thought was one of the more awkward. I think he loves to. He does love to turn on the machine though in a way.
You know, I this he is the exact opposite personality of whom I'm going to mention, but I'm going to mention somebody right now, Charles Groden was like this or Charles Groden who ultimately became a talk show host for CNBC. You know, he had a show where he basically just like opened up the Wall Street Journal every day and was like, what the fuck's going on in here? You know, he had, I mean, Charles Groden is my favorite person of all time. But you could tell that he was someone who's like, I have some thoughts and I need them to be heard and Bradley Cooper has that, but he's like, I have some thoughts and it's about how beautiful the world is or whatever.
Yeah. So would it stun me if he was hosting a show on YouTube 10 years from now? Wouldn't stun me? I know he loves filmmaking and loves films and he's doing it.
But he's got stuff to do on his, you know, he has diversified interest. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. We gotta get him on the Billy special.
Yeah. And then she'll feel like he has thoughts. He definitely agree. Sean, do you feel like your future show that you want to host is just you reading the Wall Street Journal and commenting on the news of the day?
Art exists. Anything that can happen. I'll jam up. That's true.
But I just need to make sure that I'm telling you. I'm telling you was on nine times a week, by the way. You can describe those numbers. Yeah.
I just need to make sure that Jammo includes like the rustling of the newspaper because I need that on the microphone as part of the whole day. It's complete Nicholas Feyn. You can't. But then he said, you look at the story and you think to yourself, wait, I thought about this the other way.
And the other way I want to think about it is, you know, so that's really good. Yeah. I was saying is one of the truest like East Coast. I know that guy so well.
I know that's just the guy at the deli. Like I know that so well. Okay. Sean asks me to print the trending topics from Twitter on high quality printer paper for every single recording of Jammo.
It's the one that has that fine lacquer on it. You know, I want to do like a thick stock. It's really important. And I save every, I save every printed page and file them away.
So my storage unit is just full of Jammo content. I should auction that off a tour of my storage area. Yeah, like over here. It's all the physical media.
Over here in my C, CDs, which is a different form of physical media. I don't know my movie poster. I'm even talking about that. I've got probably like 150 movie posters.
That's cool. You know, they're just sitting in storage. Just going to put some two summer and two summer framed, you know, all varying sizes. One day when I opened my museum, the museum.