EPISODE · Mar 12, 2026 · 59 MIN
The 2025 DORA Report w/special guest Fred Hebert
from This is Fine! A podcast about resilience engineering and software · host Colette Alexander
You can find the 2025 DORA Report here: https://dora.dev/research/2025/dora-report/Read more of Fred’s work/opinions here: https://ferd.ca/If you want to know more about Lund’s Human Factors and Systems Safety program, you can read here: https://www.humanfactors.lth.se/DORA has some good writeups of generative leadership and Westrum’s model here: https://dora.dev/capabilities/generative-organizational-culture/We can reset the counter, it’s been 0 episodes since we mentioned Lorin’s Law: https://surfingcomplexity.blog/2017/06/24/a-conjecture-on-why-reliable-systems-fail/Fred writes well about the Law of Stretched Systems: https://ferd.ca/the-law-of-stretched-cognitive-systems.htmlWe’re still trying to schedule a DORA event with our friends who make the report, but keep an eye out on https://resilienceinsoftware.org/events - it will pop up there when we do!
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We chatted with Fred about last fall's DORA report and what it means for those of us who are thinking about resilience and software engineering in the age of AI.
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