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And this is the Big Picture A Conversation show about the most anticipated movies of the year. Today on the show, Amanda and I are picking the movies we're most looking forward to in 2024. In this episode, I will encourage you strongly to stick around because Chris Ryan will be joining me and Amanda. And we're going to do something that we did once before with the film Barbarian where we talked you through all of the plot mechanics and details of a horror film.
In this case, it is the Blum House January installment Night Swim. We've already recorded that segment. It was a lot of fun, so please stick around. But first we do have to talk about a new movie.
A new movie that has just hit the Netflix streaming service that may be a dark horse candidate at the Academy Awards. Maybe even a Best Picture candidate? I don't think so, but maybe? I think that there are too many just on the bubble right now and it's too late in the process.
There is often international release late surge in the race, but we have like five of this. Last year we saw All Quiet on the Western Front also from Netflix kind of come out of nowhere in the last few months of the year to take a spot in the Best Picture Race. This year it could be Society of the Snow. This is the new film from J.
Beona, former guest of the podcast, he directed one of the Jurassic Park films I can't remember which one and I'm going to try to embarrass myself once again. He also directed two very good films, The Orphanage and The Impossible. And this movie is more in the lineage of those films. This is a movie that we've actually seen in movie form before, sort of the story, which is about the 1972 Andes flight disaster for the Uruguayan rugby team.
Or I, your rugby team, which crashed in Andes and then the survivors had to find a way to persist through this crash. The 1992 film Alive captured the story of film starring Ethan Hawke, though wildly changed the true details of what transpired, including not including any South American actors, as I recall. This film does the opposite of that. This is a wildly accurate, retailing based on a book that has a lot of testimony and stories from the survivors of the crash.
And the film itself is a quite a detailed portrayal of what they endured. What do you think of Society of the Snow? I really enjoyed it. I saw it in a theatre, which allowed me to enjoy the cinematography and the vistas.
It is filmed much of it in mountains, and it's very beautiful. And they are able to frame these tiny people against these giant mountains to great effect. There's one just like really jaw-dropping and your sort of like stomach drops reveal that happens, that is just like what's on the other side of the mountain. So I really enjoyed that.
It's really harrowing, as I believe the real events were, and pretty long because they were stuck there for a very long time. And as you said, it goes into excruciating detail about how they survived. But yeah, I thought this was a pretty gripping survival story. Also, period piece.
And I thought all of the 1970s elements were rendered quite stylishly. Everybody has their scars on till the end. But yeah, I would absolutely recommend this. Very, very well made movie.
Beona is a really serious filmmaker. It's so weird that you made a Jurassic Park movie when you look at a film like this because this kind of epic scale disaster kind of film, very difficult to pull off credibly. The film, this seems like a really good thing to say about a real world tragedy, but the film really stretches out its story. Once the plane has crashed, which you know is coming if you know what the film is about, the crash is harrowing and expertly staged the first 10 minutes in the aftermath of it, you're like, wow, this is truly the nightmare of nightmares.
There's no way to communicate with the outside world. The world is hidden from this part of the world at this time of the year because of the snow cover. And then you're 40 minutes through, and obviously there are decisions made by the survivors to survive. But it really, really makes you sit in their agony and in their confusion and in their inability to really figure out how to get free to find salvation.
I would say just a little bit too long for me personally. I agree. It is quite long and it does sit with all of those decisions, but I would also say this is a film that is more about how they did it. Practically, then psychologically.
And it's a big cast of characters, because the whole plane went crashed. And so they can't spend too much time on any one person's internal struggle. Yes. And it doesn't like quite, so they decided to do it collectively, which is probably the right decision for the story, but you don't get into some of the like, or certainly some of the aftermath of the decisions that they make and their experience.
There are like lead figures, but no lead star, so to speak. And you're right that the, a lot of times in the movie, like this, you have one character whose psychology you are closely tracking. And there are a couple who we have deeper relationships with two who are identified as like the leader of the group, but it's an expansive ensemble of mostly actors you've never seen before. And so in that way too, it's a little bit hard to hook in at times.
That being said, final 15 minutes of this is like amazing. You are with it so deeply and emotionally. And it's still really gripping. And I left with more questions and wanting to know more, but not because the film failed me because it raises the question.
And I was like, oh, this is so interesting. And I'd like to know about this. And I'd like to know about that. So it's not that something's missing.
It's just the point of emphasis for how to tell. Yeah, I agree with you. I think it's like your classic. I need to look at the Wikipedia page of this event.
Yeah. I looked at like 45 Wikipedia pages. Yeah. It's a truly remarkable story.
And it's a good film. I think it's timing is interesting. It does feel like they are very self-consciously enough, like trying to replicate the alt-wide on the Western Front effect by releasing it at this time, sort of after all of the Sturmundraeing of the award season, you know, it's like this movie is kind of going to be able to own this weekend, I would say. And I would encourage people to check it out whether or not it actually makes it, we shall see.
I think it's going to be certainly competing in international feature. It was Spain's selection for international feature. And it feels like it has a very good chance to do well there up against, you know, the likes of the zone of interest in the taste of things in the front runners in that category. So people should check it out.
It's cool that a movie that is this good. It's not a really good slate of movies this year. I was looking ahead as we prepare to talk about what's coming. I don't really have a good feel for what their big tent pole prestige movies are in 24.
I think we only have one or two of them on our list and full here. But when you look back on what they did between the films that they developed and produced and the films that they acquired, I put out some good stuff. And I don't know if this stands are shifting or what, or what they're chasing for Oscars or... And this is going to sound craven and I don't mean that on the part of anyone, but they in the strikes just had a lot of things on ice and put them out anyway.
And so, you know, at the festivals, I feel like I saw almost like exclusively Netflix movies. And they were at the heart of those strikes, but they just kind of soldered along. But it seems like they spent a lot of the... They put everything they have out.
Rustin, I had made a December, my story. They could have sat on some of those movies. They should have sat on Rebel Moon, but they didn't. They just forged ahead.
You excited about this year in movies? Ish? Yes, I am excited. I think we all have really good, like, intriguing properties in front of us.
You don't agree? No, I do. I mean, you took some of the most interesting ones, as always. But that's okay.
I left you with so many. No, I mean, we have a lot of interesting things. I think that's the first year, our last year lists were amazing because we are, like, pretty much, spot on, right? Yeah.
Now, I wanted to ask you if you think that we're spot on or if we're just, like, echo chambering our way into taste. Oh, no. I just... Or it's like, I will tell myself that I will like this and then I will like this.
I don't think that's the case. But I think that's what people think about us. No, I... Well, that's fine.
Yeah, I don't care about that. It's just... There were more things where I knew I was interested in them and many of them panned out for me. The way that I wanted them.
Why don't you read your 11 from 23? Sure. So, 11 was Creed 3. 10 was air.
Can I just say something on Maestro? Yeah. I think Maestro is good and my feelings are misconstrued in having a long and complicated... We had a long and complicated conversation.
But I come up the other side of it and I say Maestro is good. Okay. Unfortunately, that's not true because the internet has dubbed it the worst film of all time. That's crazy.
People are crazy. It's definitely good. Is it enough flaws? Yes.
It's incredibly well-made and there was a lot of impressive stuff in it which we said from the beginning. Okay, I still the central Y of the film. I think it's the right question. And it's engaging me.
I'm still thinking about it. I'm still trying to puzzle it out. You still work a part then. There you go.
Okay. Anyway, you hurt my feelings. Good movie. Seven, magic mics last dance.
I feel good movie. I like that they did it. I should have put that opening scene on my scenes of the year list. Oh, yeah.
That's a good one. Wait, the dance with Selma? Yeah. Yeah.
Six, leave the world behind. Love it. Five, Napoleon. I had a great time.
Four, Priscilla. Absolutely. Three, challengers was delayed. Two, mission impossible, dead reckoning, part one.
Had a wonderful time. Didn't appreciate your review of this movie. I'm just playing that back up. I don't...
The angry I was with you this year was when you would not go full. No, that's actually not true. I was in the show when I compared Oppenheimer to a bean recordos. Oh, yeah.
That's the silliest moment of the year on the podcast for sure. I wonder what I was angry about that. I wanted you to just get it. Rock him all against his landlord.
Do the halo jumping in Tom. That's what I wanted you to do. Yeah. I mean, I loved it.
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. The end is to eat.
Joe Biden told us. It's a good habit. It's great. I can't even.
It explained to a geriatric man that computers might harm us. I'm getting close to him. Number one was Barbie. Yeah.
Good film. Yeah. Last year I cited a knock at the cabinet 12 and I like. Number 11, the Iron Claw.
In retrospect, maybe we should have been even higher. Number 10 was, how do you live here? Two four known as the Boy in the Heron in the United States, which is a one film movie. Yeah.
Number nine and the Lost Quantum Media, which is very funny. Again, not that bad. It is probably the movie that kind of closed the book. It broke everybody else.
But I was just kind of like, that's Corey Stoll with a large head. I was amusing. I enjoyed Modok. And I will not apologize.
Number eight Ferrari. Very good movie. Number seven, Asterates, even better movie. Number six, Oppenheimer, even better movie.
Number five, The Zone of Interest. Oh. Number four, tune part two, which we did not get. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, it's true vision. Great. Number two, The Killer.
My dad asked me over Christmas, should he see Bo is afraid? I think so. And I did as well, but I was like, I as your daughter, I can't actually be recommending it to you. I was the daughter of a father.
Well, I was just kind of like, we need, there needs to be some distance between you and me and this movie. Yeah, that's a good. And also he hated hereditary. Ooh, let me be, don't see it.
Right. So that's what I said to him, but I was like, I kind of admired it. If you think hereditary is funny, then you should definitely watch Bo is afraid. Okay.
That's my take on that. If you do my identity to this, so. Okay. So be it.
He's like, he's basically like you with his spreadsheets being like, when will I get my maximum value? So we've asked him to review my show. My dad is a huge, like was a classical musician himself very knowledgeable and also just doesn't have patience for this sort of stuff. So I can't wait.
And I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what he has to say.
Yes. Let's call him up. Okay. As soon as he finishes.
Well, I don't know because when he'll finish it because right now it's an off-line for Netflix. So we'll see him in February. Yeah. It might be till April, you know.
The killer was number two for me. I'm going to go to the floor mode, which of course is a masterpiece. Let's do it. Who wants to go first?
Me or you? We both have 12 films, though technically I cheated on one. Yeah. Actually cheated on two, but that's one is more.
Oh, why don't you decide who goes first? I'll go first. Okay. I feel like I often make you go first.
My number 12 is Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. Now, I was speaking with Chris Ryan about this last night. I love the Planet of the Apes films, especially Matt Reeves as two movies that he made for the revival of that franchise. I love all the Planet of the Apes movies.
I think it's one of the coolest, most creative, weird franchises we've ever had in movie history. It's going to be hard to follow up the last two, especially the last one, which is really, really good and really smart. West Ball is directing us. You know what movies he directed?
I do not. The Maze Runner films. Oh, right. Are those the ones that Chris likes?
They are. So I was thinking about this. I'm just going to offer a theory that somewhat represents our standing in the long arc of aging through movie experience, which is when the Maze Runner films divergent, especially the Hunger Games, to a lesser extent, 50 Shades of Grey. There were a couple of more examples.
I'll try to highlight, of course, probably the signature example. There were these waves of micro-teen targeted franchises through roughly like 2008 through 2015, 2014. They were solid business for Hollywood. I saw a lot of them, but I didn't take very many of them seriously.
I try to take seriously the stuff that people don't take seriously often, but for whatever reason, I skipped a couple or I missed some, didn't really think about how they would impact Hollywood, and then the huge success of the Hunger Games prequel, which I didn't think was very good, but a lot of young people really, really liked indicates to me that we have to pay closer attention to that little micro-era of movies because the filmmakers, the actors, the IP is going to now resonate as those people get older. The same way when we look at the 90s and early 2000s, we're like this at the stage for what happened through the 2010s. That's now going to be the case here. Obviously, it's just the Planet of the Apes movie, it is what it is, but West Ball was also announced as the director of the Legend of Zelda movie, which is a long, long, long gestating and desired video game property coming to the big screen.
So his next project after this is Legend of Zelda. Now I've played Legend of Zelda in 30 years, but like Super Mario, it's going to be a huge fucking deal. So now I'm like, is West Ball actually a really important filmmaker and I barely paid attention to the Maze Runner movies I have? So what I do, I bought the Maze Runner movies, I'm blue, and I'm going to watch them to prepare for this film.
I, someone should have been charting both my pulse and like, whatever emotional sign waves that just happened during that long. How about too deeply about this, do you think? I mean, because it went from like, we didn't take those seriously, where it's like, okay, but I saw every single, like, I didn't see all of them, but I saw like a lot of those movies in theaters. Like, I do feel that I took most of them seriously.
Then we went to the New Hunger Games, which I just absolutely loathed. And one of those songs is just following me everywhere that has become like the go-to, like exercise class and like airplane like chill out song. It's just, it's awful. And then you like giving a long speech, in justification of like a Blu-ray purchase and I just, it's just a lot happier.
What's it like sitting with the goat? Tell me what it's like. Are you like, I can't believe my good fortune that I got to sit beside the new Gore as well. And this coming after not just Boile the second half of the podcast, but we will be talking about Chris Ryan's New Year's resolutions and some supplements he may or may not believe in.
So it's just really like, we've got, you know, the bulking over here. You're surrounded by green. We've got like Blu-ray over here. I'm just like a normal lady trying to get to her day.
Gen Z Mommy. It's all you are. What's happening? What's number 12, Gen Z Mommy?
It's Twisters. Yeah. I'm in on this. I'm so in on this.
Okay. I'm sequel to Twister sort of. I mean, yeah. Sorry, Glen Powell.
Absolutely. Glen Powell season continues. It's been Glen Powell season here in this universe. I've been on some of those releases.
Like 2017, 2014, 2015. Great. We're going on a decade, but that's fine. The rest of the world is catching up.
I've been hearing some positive reviews from friends for anyone but everyone put me seems to have really loved it. I enjoyed it. I'm on the record. It's not good, but I really liked it.
I'll go with that. I had a good time. It's not good and I wanted it to be better, but I had a good time. I just want more for Glen.
So maybe Twisters will be at also Daisy Edgar Jones. I don't know. It's apparently about climate change. I like her falling in love with me.
It's being released like in June, which, you know, just a big summer blockbuster movie. Let's go. We have a song who directed one of the great movies of the last five years. Very, very weird director choice.
You can have multiple passions. I spoke with him for the show and he was a really smart guy and not quite the like you'll be making Sundance movies for ever kind of guy that you might imagine. So I'm intrigued. I'm interested.
Okay. My number 11 is a big time sheet, but it's a nod to a continuing trend from 2023, which is the old guys still got it. There are three old guys who are making old guy movies this year. One of them, of course, O Canada, the new film from Paul Schrader, starring Jacob Elordi, which I'm very, very excited about his reunion also.
Richard Gere, yes, which is an adaptation of his close friend Russell Banks novel and Schrader is making it sound as though this will be his last film. He also very pointedly compared it to what many believe is his greatest film, which is Mishima and the way that that film kind of like moves stylistically and changes how it looks, how it feels, how it sounds through stages of characters life. I'm so pumped. Obviously, I love Schrader.
Number two, juror number two. This is the new film from the big pictures grandpa Clint Eastwood. Clint Eastwood, Clint Eastwood, he's making another movie. It's a courtroom thriller, a genre we love with apparently a very clever script starting with Nicholas Holt.
And I just can't wait. Not to make this podcast all about my parents, but my stepmom swears that she saw Clint Eastwood driving like a red Camry around Atlanta. Like, yeah, she was like very specific about the car. Is the film shooting in Atlanta?
I believe at some point it was shooting in Atlanta. And so, and many films do shoot in Atlanta. So all like my parents are all my parents are just like sort of on the lookout as they can be for famous people. That would be tough to spot him because he completed principal photography in two and a half days.
So that's impressive. She was like, I promise it was Clint Eastwood. My dad and I were like, are you sure? Is he allowed to drive a car still?
You know, it's like 92, I think. Yeah. Anyway, shout out to Clint 93 93. Can I confirm or deny the sighting?
The combined age of these three men that you've selected here, Sean, is older than the United States of America. The third man is James El Brooks, who hasn't made a movie a long time and reportedly, reportedly in his negotiations with 20th Century Studios to allow them to make another Simpsons movie. He was able to get funding for a new original feature film called LMK that I'm very excited about. Here's what I've heard about LMK.
It is starring Emma Mackie, who I really, really like. Me too. He's the first new film from Albert Brooks in a long time. He's starring the film, apparently, as a politician.
I heard this on the Mark Merritt podcast, WTF. All three of these movies, if they're bad, I don't care. Just feed them to me. There's another great master that we'll be talking about a little bit later in this episode, but I wanted to give some love to you.
I thought you were going to tee up your number 10. Who also is not quite? I'm not sure he's a great master, but we're going to come. What's your number 11?
My number 11 is Maria, which is the new film by Pablo Lorraine and fits into the genre of Pablo Lorraine making movies about famous sad women. Yes, yes. And famous people in general. I'd say that El Conde, which was his most recent film, which I saw at Venice, was my favorite of his attempts.
Don't think that that is a movie really pitched for you, a vampire parable about Pinochet. Right. But he's very beautiful to look at. So Ed Lockman shot that movie, who taught Haynes a long time, was one of the greatest living cinematographers.
I was wondering who shot Maria. Do you know? Ed Lockman. Oh, wow.
Well, that's okay. That's very exciting. Very exciting. And so who is the star of the story?
Right. So it starts angelently, as Maria Palace. And it's not only film by a black one, but set in Paris in the 70s and was filmed in Europe. So I just, great.
I'm excited. Sign me up. Opera and the great symphonies have been a big focus in my household recently. And you and I share love for opera.
So I think I'm right. And also just like a level of drama and melodrama that I think will fit well with Lorraine's storytelling style. Like part of the problem with Spencer was that it was melodrama and horror set in like a very constrained world. And I honestly just sounded a little boring at times.
So it might have been a case of you knowing a little too much. And knowing too much. That's awesome. I don't know a lot about it.
So I'm looking forward to that. I like Jackie a lot. That was one of my favorite movies of that year. Okay.
My number 10 is, again, cheap but unnecessary cheap. It's Horizon, colon and American saga dash chapters one and two. This is the new Western mega franchise from the Warner Brothers Corporation directed by Kevin Costner. These two films will be released on January 28th and then August 16th.
This is the wildest gamble of the year, in my opinion, in theatrical movie going. Kevin Costner who is not directed a movie and sometime has directed what I think he hopes to be a multi multi part film series. This is the first two installments that I guess were privately funded and then he broke her to distribution deal with Warner Brothers and in doing so effectively ended the series Yellowstone as we know it because of his refusal to appear in certain episodes after they changed his schedule. Is that all sound right?
Mostly, yes. Okay. Costner as a director. I don't know, man.
Kinda. I just like that he's like, it's important that before I die, I make a 40 in Western epic. It's going to be something to see. It will be something to see.
And the promo tour will be something to see. Yes. I'll drink a giant beer out of a boot after the book. Okay.
And I love it. I'll just take out any of the music of Jewel after our last podcast about this. No, I did not. Okay.
All right. Well, there's still time. We will save your many. That's a question.
When I'm in Los Angeles next week before our recordings, we can play some jewel to really get the vibe. That's a good idea. I'll be on the Globes night. That's what we'll do.
That's what we'll do. Straight into it. I need some movies to see this summer. I'll be seeing it too.
Okay. Great. Sam Worthington and Giovanni Rabeecia. Right?
This movie? Hell yeah. That sounds great. I mean, they are perfect for the Costner vibe.
But it's not a guarantee that it goes right. So this is the Amy Winehouse Biopic directed by Sam Taylor-Donson and starring Marissa Abella, AKA, I can't remember the character's name from industry. Jasmine, right? From industry.
She's wonderful in industry. And this movie is made with the cooperation of the Winehouse estate. So that's a double edged sword, right? I believe it has the music.
It also will portray what is ultimately like a very sad, complex story from the perspective of a certain group of people who are also featured in the movie. So who can say? Paul is playing like civil fielder. He's a wonderful actor.
He is. That's it. That's a tough, I mean, the Amy Winehouse story is incredibly sad and I loved her music. And I think it'll be I've done well, like a harrowing thing to watch, but it's deserving of a good film.
A couple of things working against this movie. I'm a huge, immersive elephant. I think she's very good at industry. One, Amy exists.
So Asif Kaudia is Academy Award winning documentary, which is a very definitive portrait of a falling star in many ways. Two, I have a big personal connection to Amy Winehouse's music. I was there at the Joe's Pub show the first time she played in America. I saw her many times live.
She was like in a lot of ways, like the embodiment to me of what I thought, like contemporary popular music could and should be, which is like take the past, revive it, redefine it, make it more interesting, write with personal voice. She wrote such an interesting personal voice to me. So you kind of like if you fuck it up, I'm going to be mad. But if you don't, then it's something you all love.
He does also the lead time gets shorter and shorter on these things, you know, like to see that. Not a lot of times gone by. Yeah, we were adults. We like have a real, real memory of it.
And so that's a really, really tricky area. That's going to keep happening. I know, but it's, I don't think it's to the film's benefit or to the memory of these people. So we'll see.
It's a great and tragic story. I tell you, I do like a weepy. You know, I watched when a man loves a woman for the first time I sent you to see that movie. Meg Ryan, Andy Garcia, she's an alcoholic from the 1990s.
I watched it for another reason, but I was just balling. I was loving it. It was beautiful. It was really good.
Anyway, let's get here. I cried at the trailer for all of us strangers yesterday. I'm going to rewatch it at some point too. Absolutely wonderful.
My number nine also I'll be weeping in the aisles cheering for Nosferatu, the new film from Robert Eggers. I want to thank him for the work that he's doing making lavish period horror films. Was it like thousands of bugs? Like what was Willem Dafoe filming with?
Oh, rats. Yeah. Which is just elite. Willem Dafoe, I think it's playing a vampire hunter in this adaptation.
It's Lily Rose Depp and Bill Scarsgard are going to be the stars of this film. It's coming out on Christmas Day, which is just incredible. Obviously, Nosferatu, hugely important figure in the history of cinema. The original film paved the way for the future of horror.
Eggers, very creative guy when doing riffs on old stories. The Northman I loved. A little bit of confusion about the Northman, which was a movie that did okay at the box office, but apparently the PVOD hit of that year was a 21. I think it was 22.
It was early 22 as well. It was only two. It was early 22 as well. It was only two.
It was absolutely riffs. I'm pretty excited about Nosferatu. Okay. That's number nine for you.
My number nine is Shimara. Okay. Well, I was just going to do the Americanized version, but I'm not because I don't want to tell you. You can take it.
We take it. This is an Italian movie that played festivals last year. Neon is releasing at some point this year. Stars, Josh O'Connor.
I will now read a plats and referee for you. The story centers on a young British archaeologist who gets involved in an international network of Stollet Etruscan artifacts during the 1980s. In. I'm just, I'm in.
Thank you so much. It's all the movie you liked it. Okay. Great.
It's very good. You'll like it. Josh O'Connor. We'll come back to him.
Yeah. My number eight is Maxine. Yeah. Your girl.
This is the third in a trilogy of Mia Goth stabbing people movies directed by Ty West. And which Mia Goth character I think is a star director. That's all I know. That's all I want to know.
I'll sit down. I'll watch the film. I'll observe the greatness of Mia Goth. Hopefully Ty will come back on the show.
We'll talk about all the porn he watched to prep for this. You know, it should be a good episode. Shout out to Ty. Just so everyone knows we have recorded the I can fix her draft for JMO, but we're waiting to drop that until Maxine comes out.
We're doing that for the drive. That's when we're doing all of our fundraising is for that episode. That's sort of like our Jerry Lewis of the year. Yeah.
What's next on what's on Ray for you? Wolf. That is the correct. It is not wolves.
I can't understand this. I can't understand this. How do you spell this? Well, because it's about two guys.
Two lone wolves. Okay. Not two lone wolves. You say two you would say two lone wolves if you were saying it plural.
I see. I see. There's a lone wolf, but there are two of them and they get assigned to the same job. This is why you're an editor.
Those two wolves are played by George Clooney and Brad Pitt. Absolutely. I'm intrigued. Who's directing it?
John Watson. What films has he made? The Spider-Man movies that I liked. You did like.
Yeah. I liked the first one better than the he did. He did. He did all three of them.
Oh, okay. Well, I liked one and three a lot. Two. Again, drones.
It's just not my bag. But that had Gyllenhaal's Mysterio, which honestly bring it back. What happened to Mysterio at the end of it? It was a kind of exclusive.
I know. But was like, could they piece it back together? I can't recall. Mysterio was he a special effects artist in the film?
I can't remember. That was a great little bit about him as a Spider-Man villain. That was what his job was. He was a special effects artist.
I think he was actually. Anyway, neither another. Okay. Number seven for me is Civil War.
We've done a good job of not participating in the Discourse about this movie. I am not really aware of the Discourse on this movie besides that people have some issues with what is it? Texa Fournier? Yes.
The California-Texas Alliance as part of the secession from the United States as a Civil War transpires. I think a lot of people who wrote and tweeted about this movie don't know anything about Alex Garland because Alex Garland is not dumb. He wouldn't do something that is dumb. If he's done something that probably has good intention.
It's an original movie starring Kirsten Dunst and Jesse Plemons about a Civil War in the United States of America. JMO did in fact bankroll this movie. This is our first production. This is our Lady Ball.
I'm really proud of the work we did. Bob and I just slaving away. C.R. giving a lot of notes to Alex and Alex that every note that Chris gave.
In my capacity of as a women on Wednesday, I'd cast Kirsten Dunst. That was my one note, but I did it. But it was critical. It was crucial.
I wrote, composed and mixed all of the music for this film. We didn't do anything on this movie, but A24 did produce it. It's coming up pretty soon. It'll be hopefully one of our biggest episodes of April.
You're gonna have Tiki on the show? Well, me and Alex do have something going. So I don't know if... You don't want to bring her into that.
Alex is really... By something going, it's like Sean asked him why he made this movie and he's kind of like, I don't know. That has happened four times, but I will keep asking him. No, well, maybe the episode should be...
Yeah. I talked to Alex, you and I talked about the movie and then you talked to Kiki. I don't want to talk to her. This is not the environment in which I want to start my relationship with Kirsten.
What is the environment? Hanging out. What is the environment? I want to be her friend for real.
I think we could have a lot to talk about. I believe she has sons. I have sons. Well, you've seen me befriend people from having them on the show.
Right, but I don't think that she is going to consider anyone she interacts with in the podcast based on what she wants to be friends with. I have to come up with a fake job for when I meet her because I can't say I have a podcast. I will help you with this. Okay.
This is how I feel about IO at a Biri. As long as we're just naming people we'd like to become friends with via the podcast, that's how I feel. Like I do some move back to LA, I see you're in the ref theaters all the time, bro. Great.
Okay, number seven for you. Do you want part two? Yeah, it's probably too low on our list. Yeah.
I'm in theory. No, it's going to be great. Timmy, sand worms. Yeah.
I really enjoyed the first one. Me too. Oh, the first one. Austin Butler in a bald cap and some other stuff.
That's fine. I'm not throwing my life away for the guy in that much makeup because that's just a lot of maintenance. You know, so what you're really throwing your life away for is like all the time spent in the makeup chair. That's true.
You'd be losing vital time with him. Yeah. Okay. You had to think about like, you know, investment costs, time spent.
Huge part of having a family. I completely agree. Do you part two? I'm pumped.
I just knowing that we've been waiting like two years and now another six months. Right. And you also didn't know that you were like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, I'm like, you know, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm, I'm like, I'm like, I don't think I'm doing. You also didn't know.
You would have to be waiting until you sat down. Exactly. What do you make of them doing a third movie? They are officially doing it.
Not officially but I'm free for sure they are. But they've said that the story will conclude in part three, but then there's more and part three. What is going on. I don't know.
I don't know. I think things are VC more like this. speaking in person women areombat Automatedes in Europe, that place. What could I do with them.
Be safey like this t sounds like Bedford, very much, pretty seriously. It sounds like you can be safey and fairly often the Italy really Charu-ishes. The Guardian in Europe. Just in generalrole this guy is a gentleman, andadders, you know this man.
I mean, what's the worst that could happen? A great fucking time, a great time at the cinema. And a great podcast episode. Yeah.
I mean, it's Joaquin Phoenix re-teaming with Todd Phillips for a sequel to their wildly successful 2019 feature Joker, which won Joaquin in Academy Award, that is now also a musical starring Lady Gaga. I mean, they just, Todd Phillips, who produced a Star is Morn, was like, I got to do that movie, but with the Joker. That's fucking amazing. Like, that's the dumbest, smartest idea I've ever heard in my life.
This movie could be an absolute car crash, and I will be interested. I'm interested. I'm nervous. So this comes out in October of an election year, right?
Yes it does. I don't feel good, you know? You think this has Trump Nikki Haley vibes? I'm sorry, sir.
I'm like, I'm just like, this is, I remember. I saw the last one, you know? And I saw what it was trying to say and failed to say. So I, that, my enthusiasm, my excitement is negated by that.
But sure, I'm curious. I love him. I love him. I loved the dancing in the first one, as you know.
It's a very good dancing. Yeah. Arthur Flex dancing. And you were famously attracted to Joaquin as the Joker.
I mean, he's like too hot for that level of isolation. That was kind of what I had to say. OK. Interesting.
Good take. Yeah. A film you've seen. So I can't be on your list, but that's OK.
I'm on mine speaking of awesome butler. Awesome butler. And a bunch of other guys, including Tom Hardy, Michael Shannon, Mike Faced, Norman Reed, Espoid Boyd, Holbrook, which is a hard name for me to say. But Chris Ryan's favorite actor.
So that's exciting. Emery Cohen, Carl Guzman, and then Jody Kowemar as the girl. That's not fair. Jody Kowemar, wonderful.
Also Toby Lee Wallace. Oh, OK. Very good in this film. They all ride motorcycles and stuff.
Well, they're cooks in this movie. I mean, I just can't wait. It's good. I like it a lot.
Jeff Nichols, great writer. OK, number five for me is Love Lies Bleeding. This is a film that is premiering at Sundance. I won't be there to see it, unfortunately.
This is Rose Glass's new movie for A24. She directed St. Maud, which was released technically in 2019, but I think had a wider release in 2020. But then that release date was almost the day that the lockdown started from the pandemic.