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Oh yeah, that was a bummer. So Carol. So, you know, was it really a champs game of Carol Lee? Beage day isn't there?
I mean, she's been wiping the floor with most people. It was a good game, though. Came all the way down to the wire. We had to do a last second tiebreaker, which we aren't ready for.
And Matthew out lasted. Hey, learn the tiebreaker, but you're here now. So here's a word that you must have might not just kidding. Welcome.
Welcome. Anyways, you're fresh off of what is this? Ninjitsu class or something? You said you have karate karate karate.
It's different, right? You're just doing karate is way different. They are similar, but different. Right.
What's the difference? All from the vicinity of Japan, I would say. Right. No, wrong.
Jiu-Jitsu has roots, I believe, in Japan. I think I'd originally there, but it is resurgence. To my knowledge, and I could be wrong, is from Grace, the guy who went to Argentina or South America somewhere and had this whole new resurgence for Jiu-Jitsu. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
Yeah, the Gracie family. I don't claim to be an expert. So when I say that, I'm not arguing. Well, let's let L'Achte tell us their...
So Jiu-Jitsu, to my knowledge, comes entirely from Japan. And most fighting in Japan comes from China. So it's like history all the way back. But that's usually called traditional Jiu-Jitsu at this point, because BJJ, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, has been so popular.
And yeah, what's dominating MMA and all that? Precisely. Much better version than I gave. My son was in Jiu-Jitsu for a little bit.
He loved it. I loved it for him. I love it, especially for young folks. Because I think in particular, it trended for us because kids don't have a lot of bullying, confidence, and just knowing how to stand up for a friend even was a lot of it.
It wasn't about fighting. It was about how to deal with an attack on you, and really how to disarm somebody, really how to squash a scenario versus escalate it into something that shouldn't be. I think for kids, in particular my kid and the kids were around there, it was super cool with just giving them some confidence at like six, seven, eight years old. I said six, seven.
I'm like six, seven. But you get that large? Do you understand that six, seven reference? Oh yeah.
I've caught traces of it. I don't have little kids, right? I lost you got like toddlers, right? Six, seven is a specific internet thing, and I don't recall what it is.
It's an internet thing, but it also went beyond the internet for like almost everybody now, at least in the States. Here in America, man, you can't say the digits six and then the digit seven afterwards without getting some kids in six, seven. And I'm going to do it because I'm not a child, but there you go. Have you ever snikkered out a 69 reference or a 420?
Of course. I mean, I'm 46, like numbers. Other generation, six, seven, basically. I mean, I can't live the numbers, because I'm not thinking like a child.
No, you're not a lesson. Nice. There's one proper response. This is one proper response.
Absolutely. And now that it's six, seven, plus eventually all numbers will have been covered by memes and we won't even be able to say any number without some sort of reference. That's right. Well, 42, we have our own nerdy reference there, right?
42. Yeah, 42. That's why we need a big look at one of the sky. Just like, well, we have one that's called like no, your meme or whatever that website is.
There's your lookup table. Tell me why karate for you, Lord, because you're not a child, Adam can sign to the children, but he's not being. Yeah, I've done martial arts a little bit in the past, or rather, I've done Muay Thai, which is more sports oriented, but I mostly did for exercise, but I really enjoyed it. Went to Thailand, trained for a month there, tons of fun, then kind of fell out of it for a long time.
My wife, after giving birth to two kids, wanted to sort of find a way to consistently work out and get back into shape. And she needs, she flourishes in a group training scenario. So she picked up, she looked around for karate. Went to a club, has really enjoyed it.
She's done for like three years now. And something I come to realize about karate specifically, and like some martial arts are like this, some are not, where they build a bit of community around the club. Some sports are like this, some are not where for the somethings, you just show up to do the thing and then you leave and sure you connect with a few people there, but there's part of karate, which is cultural and the intent is to also change how you are as a person a little bit. It's like, we take care of each other.
There's a lot of respect involved. It's like we take care of the place we are at. There's a culture that is like, you're just trying to build a very small specific community of with just some shared values, which is a tricky thing to find sometimes. And I saw that that was part of it.
And I'd heard people talk about karate this way before night. Like karate has never been taught with the list of what I wanted to learn, but I figured I'd give it a shot because I think it would benefit me and my wife, but also because I saw the potential for, so if I get three and five two kids three and five, those numbers are probably safe still. For now, for now. It means something to me actually three five.
I'll leave that out of here for now. They do mean something for me. They really emotionally trigger me in a positive way. Very sorry or very good.
I love three five. Okay. You're welcome. But I see like in a few years, one of them can start or maybe they can start early.
It depends, but essentially get them into something which is a circumstance that has a little bit of discipline to it. It's a very soft discipline, but it's like you line up, you bow, there's ritual to it. That's something that a lot of kids like I would have benefited from that as a young one because it's just not how I'm how I typically behave, but I would respect it in that circumstance. And it would have been beneficial to me to getting to exercise that early, to get into learning how to control my own body, how to behave, figuring that stuff out in a fairly safe environment early on.
And it can be something that we potentially can do as a family. But we'll see how that pans out like nothing. No plan survives contact with children. Right.
And they have my ties inside that, right? Sun Tzu, actually. Okay. The art of children.
We are. Tyson said something similar. Yeah, that's a fact. I certainly never know what's going to happen, what they're going to like, what they're going to not like.
I think it's the punch in the face. Everyone's going to leave a punch in the face. That's like everyone has a plan until you've had something to that. We're a good team.
And we all had half that. Yeah, for me, three, five was just a close loop. When I was in the military, I was part of a team, I suppose, there was a we had armor and we had fuel and fuel was three and arm was five classification in terms of like how you classify those resources. And so the unit I was in was a three, five unit.
And so for me, like it was very core to my military experience and really my attacker there was as part of a three, five unit and what we did. And so that's why I was cool for me. I like three, five. I'm down for three, five, man.
Unfortunately, my children will grow out of it and eventually a P67, I suppose. Yeah, six sevens coming. Well, at least for a certain part of the year, it's obviously six eight, right? From inside the karate community, perhaps I'm not sure how you if you can say something inside of this point or just visiting or barely, but barely.
How do people react to karate kid? Like, is it beloved? Is it hated because it's not real karate or is it real karate? And they like because like my whole experience as a child with karate was through Daniel Russo.
And that whole experience, like I would never even had a touch point with karate had it not been for that movie. And so in a certain extent, I think it probably brought to a lot of people who didn't know about it. But maybe sometimes if you're trying to build a small community of people that care about a certain thing, here comes a bunch of people who wouldn't necessarily care about it. And now they're trying to do it.
Do you have any insight of that or would you just be guessing? I mean, I think karate has probably benefited a bunch from Cobra Kai. I don't know if you've seen the TV series, but that is a phenomenal sort of revisit of karate kid. Right.
Yeah. Where they even pull in all the original actors for reprising the role. Great job with that. They closed a loop on so many desires I had for that storyline.
They revisited it. They gave backstory where we don't normally have backstory to the villain, so there was even a lot of theories that were proven correct or proven false by the traversing of the history and even flushing it out and whatnot. Johnny has gotten his comeuppance. Yeah.
No, I think karate kid is generally decently appreciated. I think opinion is very a lot. And I think a lot of people really don't like the Will Smith kids or the new one version. But the original one, it at least had done some research because like Mr.
Miyagi, I mean, one of the forefathers of karate, if not the forefather, it's the one we have a picture of in the dojo, like shoyu Miyagi is his name or was his name. And that's not an accidental reference. And I mean, in karate kid too, they go to Okinawa, like the crane kick and that kind of stuff. Like their references.
Why are you saying on one foot and then jumping the other foot, you know, cause so much power to come out of your body? That was always what I wanted to know. You can always take that as a metaphor for like balance is the key to successfully doing karate or whatever. But now I think people have a soft spot for that movie.
I did my tie. Kickboxer is probably the most seen like 80s iteration of that. That one is terrible. Like Jean Claude van Damme.
His brother gets killed in the beginning. Then he goes to train with a, I believe it's an old Chinese man in the jungles of Thailand. The teacher said, I mean Jean Claude does karate actually. And he was a kickboxer, so fair enough.
That's like what that is usually. But he's supposedly learning why tie by doing Kung Fu with a Chinese man in Thailand. It's very strange. And then he fights a very scary apparently tie fighter.
But I believe that actor is Mongolian and huge, which is not typical of Thai people. It's a wild, wild sort of mismatch. White Thai people tend to like, is it on Bach? It's called?
It's a, yeah, because that references older white history and the Moai Buran, which is a show. Kickboxer the one where Jean Claude does the splits and he likes to have on something. I mean, he does a lot of splits in that one. And he also dances.
Oh, can I get a guy dance? You should look at the clipping, determine for yourself. He certainly can't do a type of dance. I don't know if I appreciate it, but it's, I kind of appreciate it now.
I don't know if I did that. He was one of my least favorite action heroes of that time period. I just didn't feel like the guy had very much charisma compared to the others, but that was just my. I would say I prefer him to Steven Seagull.
Okay, but does he count even? Okay, for Count Steven Seagull, then I can't put Jean Claude down at the bottom. And the thing is I come from the same town as Dolph Lundgren. Oh, really?
Yes. Wow. And he's terrible. Yeah, tell us, he's terrible.
Well, same word about him living in your town. Like is he still around? I don't believe so. I mean, he probably has some touch points there or family there.
Does he go and sing this person from your town? I don't know. No, probably hockey players from that region. Okay.
Yeah, we have some decent hockey players we've exported. So like NHL players. Like, you're my daughter? No, he's check, I believe.
He's check. But the Sundine brothers. Well, Mario, he's Canadian. Peter Forsberg.
He's Mario, not Mario. Now let's do Wengreski and then we'll have named all hockey players that we can think of. Peter Forsberg is one of all Forsberg, right? Yeah, he's been around a few different places.
I used to hear another thing. Let's complain about the kids for a moment. And not the kids, but just this current age. Why do the athletes switch teams so much anymore?
It used to be you could just have an athlete. He was stuck to a team whether he liked it or not. And he had to just be a Chicago Bull or he had to be a Detroit lion. And you could just rely on that guy being there.
Like Barry Sanders was going to be on the hapless Detroit lion's his entire career, whether he liked it or not. And we could just rest in that. You know, now it's like they just change constantly. It's hard to even keep up.
All right. Old man yells at sports. Yeah, I don't follow any sports these days, but I did follow hockey a little bit in my youth. It was more or less mandatory.
That's fairly interesting at times. I think I promised that we would talk about my arch experience. I wouldn't touch him Archie because like I'm a radical idealist and I don't appreciate the UH H whole deal. But we don't have to get into that because no, it's happy by getting into that.
All right. But the arch I used for a hot minute many, many years ago. So this would be this would be prior to introducing system D probably. Okay.
Because I think I was doing a booting windows and I was like, I want a Linux running. So I still have arch because people had spoken really well and highly of it. So it's not arch had a good time setting stuff up things worked. The package managers seemed cool and I think it felt faster than the buntus I'd been doing.
It was like, yeah, this is this promising seems straightforward. Didn't use it for a bit because I ended up staying in windows, I guess, for a while. And then I switched back to anyone like, yeah, I still have this. Oh, I should probably run some updates.
But I was not aware that the rule and the law of the arch land is that you have to read all the news about the updates before you apply the updates didn't come up during the install process. Let's just say, yeah. So I essentially did whatever Pacman upgrade or whatever, did a full on system upgrade and nothing worked. Then I found some guides and it's like, okay, I can get now from the prompt to and if I manually launch it, I can get back into a UI and things.
But I could never get gdm so the gnome display manager to work ever again. And then I left arch and then I was your experience. Yeah. But I did read a lot of form threads where people said I should have read the news.
So that was helpful. Right. Yeah. I was not aware that that was how that system operated.
It was like a read first type of upgrade cycle. But the wiki is so good, you might well, the wiki is really good. I solve a lot of problems in other Linux distros by reading the arch wiki. Where does overlap?
Yeah, I mean, there's tons. Even when I work with on embedded systems, there's stuff in the arch wiki that just explains like, oh, this tool works like this and these are good commands to use for this and that. It's very comprehensive. So it's very good reference documentation, even if it's not accurate to exactly your system.
Mm. I tried arch one time on a server and I've always been running Debian servers. And all of these people were saying nice things about arch. And I was like, well, I'll just set up this new server with arch.
And this was probably back in the same time period because I don't remember system D.P. in there. Yeah. And of course, I knew system D pretty well.
And I didn't know what arch was doing very well. And I started setting it up and I'm like, what benefits am I gaining from this? Besides having tried arch Linux versus like, I think on the desktop, perhaps, and I'm sure the further you go in, the more differences you find, but they were so similar enough, where it's like, I can't think of a single advantage I have. Maybe maybe fresher software because they mean does, you know, stay a little bit stale on its official packages.
Well, you could grab a Ubuntu to get a non stale Debian. Right. And I don't, and normally all I need is, you know, what's there and it's fine. Maybe like back then, my sequel wasn't up to date with what, you know, rails was using because it's like Ruby on Rails servers, you know, I remember I couldn't get a system service to set up.
And like, when I reboot the machine, it just wouldn't come back online. And I'm just like, I'm just going to wipe this and start with Debian. And that was my only arch experience. It lasted probably four to six hours.
And I just was like, nope, this is a waste of my time. But I think on the server side, especially back then, it's probably like 2010-ish time frame 2012. There just wasn't much of a difference. I'm sure on the desktop, there's probably more dramatic differences.
Yeah, I'd say so. Have you been playing around? Yeah, that's why my monitor behind me is not on right now because that's an arch-lix system. I also did not realize that you had to dedicate at least a half hour or what might be, could be longer than that because if you're a shiny objects person, then it's for me, I am that person.
So it might be like a typical 15-minute requirement, 20. Like a rabbit hole? It might derail my brain, right? It might give me ideas that take me down the arch lane versus like, well, similar to what you said, Jerry, like, I didn't, like, while I want to use arch, and I think you should.
I think if you're in the world of Linux, you should try out the distros and see what works for you. I think that's part of the Linux journey is building systems, learning which distros support the system you want to build and finding this isn't the best support which you're trying to actually accomplish. And I did not know the requirement of arch of the hour-ish of weekly maintenance required, the requirement to read the news prior to even applying the updates, and then the bug that can bite you if you don't, which is what bit me, I also have too much memory in the system. I'm using four DIMS versus two and how dare you?
Yeah, I mean, like, why should I should, but the CPU doesn't have the AM5-3MD that that architecture, I guess, has an issue with reading four DIMS versus two DIMS of RAM, which I don't understand how you're AMD and you're beating Intel and you can't solve the four-dIM problem. Like, that doesn't do with me at all. It's like, ostensibly they shipped this mainboard architecture. Yeah.
So one would first have heard the four-dIM problem. I mean, it doesn't make any sense. So especially at like, okay, so this is a DDR5-6000 megatransfer per second problem. So this is a really fast RAM scenario and the power requirement from understand the voltage requirement and the architecture of the CPU to control that is the two.
Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, it's not a four-dIM issue generally. It's because of the boundary at which a RAM is pushing it. It's just so fast.
I mean, it really is so fast. So if you did slow RAM, you'll be fine at four-sticks. I could dial it back. I mean, what's the point?
What's the point? Yeah, no, right. It's like getting a Ferrari and drive it Honda speeds. No, thank you.
Okay. That doesn't mean you sent to me. So while I spend the money on that. I mean, never underestimate Honda speeds is what I learned from the internet.
Sorry about that reference. It's like any other car brand. Honda Civic speeds. Let me be specifically from then.
Honda Civic speeds. Although some civics can burn too. Yeah, I mean, that's probably the modern favorite car. Okay, stock.
The stock Honda Civic speed. Okay, there we go. Three layers of specificity. Just a different car, like a Prius or something, you know, something that I know.
So, modern is not all because that's an art system. I didn't apply updates. I got bit. Now I won't even stay on.
The fans boot up and it just goes to crazy and it crashes. And I know it's a memory issue. It's not an art issue, but it's arch plus memory plus time. I don't have to fix it and make you all have Silicon Valley there.
I will fix it though next week. I mean, it will be back. We can just have a you do thumbnails for these, I hope. So you can just have you pointing at the monitor and going, I run the arch actually.
Right. You know, arch, by the way. Yeah, you know, with that, I feel like arch is kind of played out. If you want to be like a Braggie it Linux nerd isn't mixed the thing.
Gosh, isn't that even worse though? Better but worse. More pretentious, but also it does something different. Yeah, it's something different.
So I don't want something different. I just want Linux. I want good solid stable Linux with, I would say as close to tip packages that are stable. Why don't you like a window?
I do like a window. Well, and there you go. My actual favorite desktop right now, don't punch me. It's Fedora 43.
I'm loving it, man. For it. It's like as close as you get to Mac OS. It is so nice.
I love it. Is that with no my assume? Yes. You know, I don't know.
It's got the cool stuff, man. It's whoever comes with the door for free. Last I tried the gnome window manager. I did not enjoy it, but it's been a minute.
I run an absolutely bastardized. It's like, I installed PopOS originally. So that came with a gnome very into the time. And then I was like, but I hear good things about Regolith and you can just install Regolith and it will kind of slap on top of your Linux system and modify it in various ways.
I couldn't. Regolith was cool, but it wasn't exactly right for me. I tuned it a bunch and then I was like, yeah, there's some stuff about gnome that I'm annoyed with. Let's try KDE.
Like my system is real weird now because there's a lot of gnome and there's a little bit of Regolith and there's definitely some, but mainly using KDE. And at some point I should just switch to if it's still a thing, neon, which is like the KDE project, I believe maintains an Ubuntu variant that is running KDE. Interesting. Was KDE still come with a bunch of other desktop apps, like Conqueror, for instance.
Yeah, that was always my experience back when I was trying different stuff was like, no. I love Amorok. I believe Amorok is gone. They all had K's in them somewhere.
And I felt like when I installed our, you know, chose KDE, I wasn't just getting like a windowing system and some Chrome. I was getting like a suite of apps that I had and some of them I liked. Other ones I was like, but that's true for gnome as well. Yeah, maybe I just don't realize it with gnome because it's the default, at least in the city.
It's the default for the Linux that you use. Yeah, exactly. I mean, Amorok still had the feature that I wish to see in every music app ever, which is I guess just Spotify now. But it's you could hit a lot.
I think you long pressed or right-clicked the stop button and you had the option of queuing a stop to your play. You mean a stop? What do you mean like stop after the song? So yeah, it would essentially be like a song, but because if you start a playlist, but it's like, yeah, I want this song and then a queue a few songs and then like actually stop after that.
But no, no one wants that. So like autoplay, it like ends in autoplay. It's like, if I want to do that in Spotify now, I'd have to build a playlist, add things to that, start the playlist, right? And probably disable some smart shuffle that keeps switching on.
But it's just like being able to stop after a few things play back. It sounds like a simple thing. Yeah, but I've only ever seen it in Amorok. And Amorok was an amazing music management thing, but no one wants power user features anymore.
It feels like the same thing as like a timer to say, stop after 20 minutes. You know, interesting stuff at first, right? Yeah, I mean, it's just like when you hit this part of the play queue stop. Can you give me an example use case of this?
Like when are you just curious? Whenever I start a playlist on, yeah, let's say Spotify, I hit the song I want to hear from the playlist first. Then I scroll through the playlist and queue up some other bangers I want. I don't just randomly listen, usually.
I curate that list. If I see that the rest of the list is kind of not what I want right now, I love to just queue a stop after that. Then I don't have to bother about like turning anything off or then what happens is you get to silence and don't you go think I got to go keep some more stuff. Is that what you want to do or you're going to leave?
But usually that would be the end of the session. I said, oh, so you get your sessions timed out using Pomodoro or what's going on. But the thing was also not the majority of my music. No.
I got three songs and I'm done coding. Yeah. I think it was also a consequence of you were scrolling around your music library and just navigating your collection, queuing things up that you wanted to hear. And then it's like after these stop.
So it didn't keep playing your entire library because you never knew what ended up in there. Or it would just go from A and keep playing. Yeah, 100% or go by based on recency, that kind of stuff. What's amazing to me is how differently we all use these things.
It's really kind of wild. And how tightly they optimize for the common case, which this is something I've always appreciated about Katie. Everything's configurable. It's a curse, of course.
It's probably hard to maintain. It's tricky. It requires a particular mindset. But if I want to find a shortcut, you can bet it's there.
If I want to customize the padding of some corner of the world, it's yeah, sure. You're going to find it. And there's just infinity options. It's like, I have a Tiling window manager set up and it's just K-win.
I believe the name is just like the default window manager and I added a bunch of keyboard shortcuts. I believe that's this is what drives me nuts about Adobe software, which we are stuck with in many ways, is that and this is a publicly traded company. These guys are making good money and have been the best quote unquote for years in their particular Pro Tools suite. Yeah, it's a professional standard.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. There's all kinds of keyboard shortcuts and you can configure them to the hilt. However, it's not going to remember them very long.
It's going to just lose them. Some sort of point upgrade and some sort of bad memory or cash clear and everything you put in there's not just your keyboard shortcuts, but like your window configurations and everything. Your templates are gone. Whatever you saved, it's just gone.
And you're like, can't much money we're paying for this software on the annual? It's insane that they get away with this, but I don't know where else to go. I hear, oh, what's the competitor that just turned free because they got bought by Canva? Affinity.
Right. Affinity. What do you use Adobe for? Podcasts, video, video production, premiere pro.
Oh, do you use Audition? We use Audition. We use Premiere Pro. Those are the two tools that we use the most.
Because you can get DaVinci Resolve for essentially free or you can pay like a one-time cost. And guess what? DaVinci Resolve runs on. FedEx.
And Linux, of course, Linux. Yeah. But yeah, which I'm excited about. That's what I'm trying.
I'm trying to make it the year of the Linux desktop here and I used to go via council because I'm studio. Yeah. Yeah. Because like you got Reaper for audio and I haven't played with you enough yet to have the mileage to really advocate for me.
But I'm hopeful. One, you could build your own system in the Linux world. You don't have to be stuck with the... I mean, I love Mac hardware.
Don't get me wrong. It's, you know, born on some of the most phenomenal innovations ever. It just sucks that you can't upgrade the system. You don't own the system.
It owns you in lots of ways. I mean, even for an older system like the old maintain, you know, current operating system support for it. So you got an older, really great system that should still have modern support doesn't have support. So this frustrates me.
But yeah, DaVinci is support on Linux. And so that's very hopeful that in DaVinci is really well regarded. I mean, I have lots of friends who do like they swear by it only. Colorists is where the ones of the first few who migrated like coloring from, you know, S log or whatever you might be shooting in.
If you're in a Sony camera or even like Canon logo format going from that low format, having a full dynamic range of the color coloring in DaVinci is really, really proper. And so sort of there, probably about five or six years ago, there's a revolution of migration away from the current standard to DaVinci. Premiere is known for crashing. So people were like, even if they were super comfortable and like knew their workflow super well, it's like, oh, but really they hate this piece of software deeply.
This is a level. Yeah. Yeah, I've used DaVinci. Some of the keyboard shortcuts dry me nuts and some of the workflows absolutely seem bad.
But overall, like it's very capable. It's very competent. It's just not always wired the same way. Yeah, which is like supposed fine.
I've used Reaper for podcast. Reaper is fine. It's more suited to music production, but it works fine for podcasts like podcast demand fewer things than music. So what would you use for podcasts then?
If it's if you're not thinking of Reaper, I would probably use Reaper because it's a better option or possibly even like to resolve because you can what is the open source one that's on wind or on Mac as well, but it's on Linux. Their own necessity audacity. Yeah, thank you. Maybe that has gotten improved.
They were supposed to do a bunch of UX work and stuff. I found audacity completely incomprehensible most of the time that I used to be. But that was years ago. And I believe Tentacruul got involved a YouTuber in music.
Oh, you said that very cool. I think it's a cool person. I believe there's this particular melody I should use, but I'm not a regular viewer of his. So it's like Tentacruul or something to that effect.
I don't know. But I got a regular viewer and you're still getting the melody. You don't have a pretty good thing on. I looked at it way back and there was a lot of controversy as well because it kind of took over.
Every reference I named, I want you to use this particular connotation or not. Oh, only saying my name or also you. Just a close-up to here. I'm pulled back the release notes for Fedora 43 just to give proper.
That didn't give it proper. It is using GNOME. It is wailing only. So Fedora 43 is wailing only.
Deprecated X11 support looks like GNOME 49. If I can recall that correctly, maybe GNOME 50 from Grok in this stuff. I remember GNOME 2. Wow.
Showing your age. I think what I liked about so far at least is that it feels a lot like if you said, I like the general user experience of a Mac, but I want Linux. It's like that. It's got a lot of similarities, but not the kind of similarities where you're like, oh, I can tell you're clapping and not doing a good job.
It's like, you're being inspired by and you're doing a good job. The gestures and the motions are very smooth. I've just been very impressed with Fedora 43, honestly. I'm encouraged to try Reaper potentially to see how it flows for me.
There's a lot of things that keep me liking Audition and just a vinci because I generally hate the fact that we feel that way. Like while I love having workflow, it sucks that we're strangled by the beast, let's just say, and we're stuck to a platform and we're stuck to a workflow, which is all good things you want to have in a systematized world, but the lack of freedom in that and the ability to change feels like extreme lock-in that is expensive at worst and just sad at best. It's just not cool to be like that. I hear some people use Blender for video editing as well.
Blender is open source. That's like a 3D thing, wasn't it? Yeah, originally, but it's kind of like, okay, so if you're doing a full on 3D movie production application, that's a super set of video production. And much like a video...
It's a super set of a podcast. It's a super set of a podcast. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
And with you. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone's in a while, I start looking around and thinking, you know, what does what does better look like?
But then what's her name from the from the mean cuts in my head? Ain't nobody got time for that, you know, like she just starts singing her song. And I'm just like, nah, I got other stuff to get done, you know? I mean, I produced a conference mostly using open source design tools for all the like visual bits.
Yeah. And then we had to print things like I did almost everything in Inkscape. I like Inkscape. It's very competent.
And then they were like, yeah, I give them that in CMYK, color space. And it's like, nope. And I'm like, yeah, maybe I can shift it over to GIMP and do it, you know, how did you do it? I paid Adobe for Illustrator because that's the final different jobs.
Oh, yeah. See, there they are in the standard, you know, yeah, was fine up to that point. I was approached at never use a gradient in your logo for a conference. That was a problem was a gradient.
Yeah. No, well, no, it wasn't the only problem, but the gradient was a problem. Right. The challenge.
I feel like there's a lot of things happening at the links from this front, like there, it's going to be a shift. I think the moment you can actually get creators, I'd say mean, like graphics, obviously, like you're just suggesting there, but like video and audio, like the moment you can get those folks fully over to the links world, that's where the tide's changed, you know, that's where the tide's changed is being able to, I mean, now if you're trying to buy RAM this moment and it's November 25th right now, not a good time to buy RAM or really in computer parts, they're astronomical price right now, some good deals because I also hear you can't use for sticks anyways. Yeah. I mean, you know, the M5, I have a friend who works for AMD.
I'm going to ask him about that because that's super sad and see if I can get the behind the scenes, maybe even plot it, but I will see a good friend of mine is an engineer for AMD, but I think, yeah, there's a lot of things happening for Linux that's just really, really good. And I know you kind of said what you said about the HH and March, but I think like even that, like I think it's cool that what he was able to do with it is cool that you can make your own Linux distro, like you can't do that with Mac OS, you haven't done that freedom at all. And absolutely not that freedom of Windows. And the fact that you can is really cool, but you got to get people to believe in your opinions.
Now, a lot of people are liking arch because of a Marchy. Yeah, I hear good things about the distro as an experience. It's got a lot of good taste in it, but it's not for me either. And I also want to be, I feel like that's a DHH world.
And I don't like this like the guy, I don't know what your things are on him. I don't have a really, I'm like a centrist, I suppose on DHH, not positive or negative. I think he's got a lot of cool opinions in our world in terms of tech and stuff like that. But when it comes to a Marchy, I tried it just because you literally have to, if you're a Linux distro, I wouldn't say Hopper, but it sounds like you might be hopping a little bit.
It's not like you might be a Hopper, Adam. Is it a Hopper though? I mean, a sample. What's wrong with being a Hopper?
I mean, it's not a bad thing. I think it's a bad thing. I don't know that. Maybe I am hopping.
I would call it sampling, but sure, I'll hop. Hopping is, it comes in phases and it seems like you might be in a hopping phase. So server down Ubuntu all the way. I'm like, all my flows are around Ubuntu.
I'm not changing on that front really at all. I'm not tempted to. I know Fedora is flexible enough to be both desktop or server. Same with Ubuntu, but I know Ubuntu very well.
And so I'm happy for that to be my server on the desktop front. I feel like you kind of have to hop around, especially before you really get to your final resting place, maybe in the Linux world in the digital world, because I'm still learning a lot about, I would say pretty much learning all brand new stuff and it comes to desktop links, which I've never done before. And so I started with a Marchy just because there you go. Then it was arch itself, which you can see the renders behind me.
And then Fedora 43, which is really awesome. So I'm happy with that exploration so far. That's been the extent of it. A little Ubuntu desktop, but I didn't think it was, it didn't feel super polished compared to say Fedora, but it was nice.
I like for three, I like Wayland. I like what they're doing on the home. I like the UI design of it. It feels smooth and buttery.
So I'm happy there. But I guess I am a hopper. So I think you're in a perfectly normal. I am trying the Linux desktop phase.
So this was, when I was introduced to Linux and got some help getting started with Linux from a friend, this was in my teens, I ran through it. Like I started with Slackware. He kind of forcibly had me try OpenBSD and FreeBSD because he was sort of done with Linux for now. He was playing with Solaris and the BSDs.
But then I tried, let's see, Gen 2, Mandrake, Debian, a few others. And then you had all the like, not Bix and like the live CDs that you could just put into ram. And so you could have Linux at school because you had it on a CD and you could boot it. Oh, I definitely did that.
Until I started gluing them shut. That was a thing. Mostly to prevent installing games. They didn't care about Linux.
Let's be clear. I didn't know what that was. You weren't on the radar. It's all about the gamers.
But yeah, I ran through a bunch of distros in the beginning. And then I settled into one for a period of time. And then I've when I've set up a new work computer for a new company I'm at for Linux, it's just been like Ubuntu completely stock installed and things are missing that are critical. And then I live in an editor and a web browser and don't care very much about the OS.
But this workstation that I live at now that I run my own business and can screw around more of my time, it's weird and custom. But at a certain point I just got fed up with poking the desktop and moved on. So it isn't whatever state it is that I could never reproduce this. It is not not reproducible.
You guys say the term, writing. Do you consider what you do? Ricing? I never heard that one.
Oh, well, let me educate you guys. I'm really kidding myself. Okay, please do. Apparently, I think this is a phenomenon in particular is when you dial in your desktop environment.
It's called Ricing. Why? I don't know. Let me look it up a quick.
I have not heard that. Ricing refers to the extensive customization of a system's appearance and functionality. So a lot of people would just rise to show off how it can look and how uniquely different it can look. Not so much its functionality.
I need to get a model just term though. Like why are we calling it Ricing? The term Ricing was inherited from car modification culture where it was originally a derogatory term for race-inspired cosmetic enhancements, aka rice. Oh, race-inspired cosmetic enhancements.
So just looking cool. This referred to adding cosmic parts to inexpensive Asian import cars to make them look not I've raced. Okay, I've raced at least once one car. Okay, now that I'm reading this, not a Linux desktop, but I've raced a haunted L-Soul.
I had a really cool muffler to it. And it's not a cool same engine, still burned oil too. So Ricing is similar to like a Rhino or a Dyno, these are what they call like a Republican name only or a Democrat and name only where it's like, you say you're this but you're not. If you're Ricing your car, you're saying you're doing it to make it faster, but you're actually not.
You're doing it to make it look nicer or to make it look fast. So when you're Ricing your OS, like, loss is just done over the course of many years. He got it perfectly. No, no, my OS looks terrible.
It doesn't work. I cross the wires. Apparently it's a cosmetic thing and that's just dialing it in, which he's talking about dialing in for him. It's also cosmetic.
I think it leans more cosmetic. Actually, I think Omarci is a big old rice. Like that's DHA rice right there, you know? But it's also an opinionated configuration.
My setup, I would say is highly tuned for certain utility functions. And that's stuff like I actually do a bunch of audio and video stuff from Linux, which is generally unadvisable. I know a ton of people that go, oh, I use my Mac whenever I record a podcast, but I made it work. And I made it, to me, it's been fairly reliable, but I also paid too much for gear.
So, but I do have a script that resets all my USB controllers because sometimes they just fail. This also can happen on Mac OS. Like sometimes it's just like, I got a reboot, something, because something is just up. And drive us.
But, yeah, I don't have time problem with QuickTime Player, which is a 30-year-old Apple software that you think would be stable by now. But no. Yeah, not the way they're treating their OS. Something I miss on Linux for media production is that there is no Rogeneba.
If you know the Rogeneba set of audio apps, for example, there's like Pipewire and Jack and all these things. So, the whole infrastructure for making the Rogeneba apps is probably more accessible in Linux because it's already there. It's like, it's already a node-based system where you can connect things and yada yada. And there's UIs for playing around with it sort of, but nothing to the degree of polish and stability that you find like these hardcore Mac apps doing.
And it's tricky because, of course, there's not a market for it until there's more people attracted to doing that. And that's the catch-22, which is always the case. That's what brought me to the Mac originally was the third-party, like, indie small software, such as Quicksilver, such as Transmit, such as Rogeneba, these small software shops that just create the most polished little tools that I loved. It's ridiculously good sometimes.
Yeah. And you're like, this is just really good software. Whereas, over in Windows, where I previously was, you could find something that does everything. But it was like the Wild Wild West of UIs.
And the quality was massively varying. And there was Shareware and there was lots of other stuff, shovelware, and none of that existed. Compared to the Windows experience, I prefer the weirdness of Linux, the type of weird that the Linux environment is, where it's like, either you find a script or you might find a UI, and it has all the options and all the knobs and all the weird things. And it's kind of hard to understand sometimes.
But I prefer that to like, oh, this is a weird Windows UI that is quirky and downloaded from a weird website. Some of those are awesome, though, like putty or whatever. It's like legends, but also freaky. Yeah, putty is legendary and like, such a weird interface too.
For me, it was the first way I had to say it was through putty. And I mean, I think figuring out putty's UI was the hardest part of the SSH process there, you know? What is this happening here? Yeah, it was very challenging.
But it was cool when you figured it out. I mean, it made sense eventually. I guess all software kind of does if you just rewire your brain to use it. Yeah, I don't feel like macOS is going in the right direction, both in terms of like encouraging like this, this phenomenal grassroots in the app movement that they have.
But also like, just where they're taking things, they don't care about that. Like, they don't care about the power users. There are parts of Apple that care about the power users. But what I use my Mac for, like the Mac I have that I use is a MacBook Air, M2, MacBook Air.
It's covered as stickers. It goes with me when I travel or when I go to work at other places. It's a phenomenal dumb terminal type of browser machine. It has ridiculous battery life and everything.
It has a Unix underneath it, so I can do terminal things. I'm perfectly happy with that. Eventually, the macOS might eject me. It has in the past, where I essentially abandoned it.
But it's just like, it's very good laptops. I was very hopeful about framework, but I'm not thrilled about, well, that gets us back into March 8th. But yeah, they're making choices that I disagree with, which is a bummer because on the whole framework was doing what I'd like to see from Harvard. What is their choice?
I'm not familiar with the choice. Yeah, so they're funding a March development and also some other controversial developers. Oh, so it's not so much technical or social. No, no, no, it's an ideological and political from my perspective.
Well, friends, I'm here with a good friend of mine again, Kyle Galbraith, co-founder and CEO of Depo.dev. Kyle, we are in an era of disruption, right? I would also describe it as rethinking. Well, we thought it was true.