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EPISODE · Jun 15, 2026 · 17 MIN

The 5-Year Rule That Could Cost Expats Thousands

from Abroad in America · host Jimmy Miller

Many expats working in America contribute to a traditional 401(k) because it lowers their taxes today.But what happens if you later realize that decision could create tax complications when you leave the United States?In this episode of Abroad in America, we explore one of the most powerful retirement planning tools available to expats: the Roth conversion.A Roth conversion allows you to move money from a traditional pre-tax retirement account into a Roth account, potentially creating greater tax flexibility and reducing future dependence on the U.S. tax system.We discuss why Roth conversions can be especially valuable for expats, how the strategy works, and why understanding the Roth five-year rules is critical before making any decisions.You'll learn the difference between the Roth earnings five-year rule and the Roth conversion five-year rule, how a Roth conversion ladder works, and why thoughtful tax planning can help you avoid costly mistakes.We also cover common Roth conversion traps, including converting too much in one year, overlooking state taxes, paying conversion taxes incorrectly, and failing to consider how your home country may treat Roth accounts.If you've already accumulated money in a traditional 401(k) and are wondering whether you still have options, this is an episode you won't want to miss.In This Episode• What a Roth conversion is and how it works• Why traditional 401(k) accounts can create challenges for expats• The difference between paying taxes now versus later• Why Roth conversions can create more flexibility for globally mobile professionals• How Roth accounts can reduce future tax uncertainty• Why converting everything at once is often a mistake• The difference between the Roth earnings five-year rule and the Roth conversion five-year rule• How the Roth conversion five-year clock works• Why converted principal and investment growth are treated differently• How a Roth conversion ladder strategy works• A real-world example of using Roth conversions over multiple years• How to evaluate whether your employer's retirement plan allows conversions• Why paying conversion taxes from outside assets is often preferable• The importance of tracking multiple conversion clocks• Common Roth conversion mistakes expats should avoid• Why cross-border tax planning matters before leaving the United StatesWhat's Coming Next• Managing retirement accounts after leaving America• Cross-border retirement planning strategies• Tax considerations for Americans and foreign nationals abroad• How different countries treat Roth accounts• Additional ways expats can create tax-efficient retirement incomeA traditional 401(k) doesn't have to become a permanent tax problem. With proper planning, Roth conversions may help you create greater flexibility, reduce future tax uncertainty, and build a retirement strategy that better fits a life lived across borders.Visit Baobab Wealth AbroadBuy a copy of Jimmy's book, Divorce the IRSDownload our guide for foreign nationals in the USFollow us on FacebookSubscribe to us on YouTubeConnect with us on LinkedIn

Many expats working in America contribute to a traditional 401(k) because it lowers their taxes today. But what happens if you later realize that decision could create tax complications when you leave the United States? In this episode of Abroad in America, we explore one of the most powerful retirement planning tools available to expats: the Roth conversion. A Roth conversion allows you to move money from a traditional pre-tax retirement account into a Roth account, potentially creating grea...

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