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Jan 16, 2026 1 hr 10 min

The Art Life

from Chillpak Hollywood Presents ... Hosted by Dean and Phil and Jon Lawlor

For the past several years, Dean Haglund, Phil Leirness, and Jon Lawlor have been getting together almost weekly to hold each other’s feet to the fire in the pursuit of creating art that is filled with life, while also learning how to live more artfully. Now, Chillpak Hollywood Presents “The Art Life” as a regular podcast! This week … *Jon is fully residing in computer hell. *Is it possible that Dean has never before heard Wham's “Last Christmas”? *Dean saw an abandoned painting in an otherwise empty art gallery and Phil is fascinated. *The importance of worrying less about getting attention and instead doing admirable work. *We shouldn’t tell people they “look tired”. *How to depict violence in art and storytelling, with Unforgiven and The Long Goodbye being held up as examples. *How work of all kinds is becoming “gamified”. Chillpak Hollywood Presents ... is a listener-supported publication. To receive new shows and support our work, please consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit deanandphil.substack.com/subscribe

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