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Jul 30, 2026 1 hr 4 min

The Art Life

from Chillpak Hollywood Presents ... Hosted by Dean and Phil

For the past several years, Dean Haglund, Phil Leirness, and Jon Lawlor have been getting together almost weekly to hold each other’s feet to the fire in the pursuit of creating art that is filled with life, while also learning how to live more artfully. Now, Chillpak Hollywood Presents … “The Art Life” as a regular podcast! This week’s topics include: *What an AI has to say about Dean and Phil’s long-running Chillpak Hollywood Hour *How Phil’s productivity in writing essays has been slowed by his need to record audio versions of them, but how the creation of those audio versions, as well as the creation of several podcasts each week is making Phil better at … everything *Dean’s rage over the “insanity of green” reaches epic proportions *What Dean and Phil’s friend Leigh McCloskey taught them about being “conscientious gardeners” of creativity *Phil’s 40th high school reunion *Routine vs. ritual and the importance of the latter *The role musical scores play in great comedy movies Chillpak Hollywood Presents ... is a listener-supported joint. To receive new shows and support our work, please consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit deanandphil.substack.com/subscribe

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