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EPISODE · Jul 17, 2025 · 32 MIN

The Art of Doing Hard Things: Meaningful Challenge vs. Useless Suffering

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We believe it's important to do hard things. In fact, as your may know, Steve wrote a book with that very title. But there's a difference between taking on challenges that lead to meaningful growth, and meaningless suffering for likes and validation. That difference is often lost in the performative world of social media. Today's episode is about giving you the skills to build true resilience. We differentiate between purposeful and purposeless difficulty, discuss whether or not the "comfort crisis" is real, introduce a modern affliction we're calling "Zombie burnout," detail Hans Selye's pioneering research on stress (and how its impact on our bodies is determined, in large part, by the meaning we give it), and show you how to apply concepts like "Right Effort" and "The Moat of Low Status."Buy "Do Hard Things" by Steve Magness: https://www.stevemagness.com/do-hard-things/Unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13lH47HlWg0Y99fZktUPqK5R3pD-Jq8w0Vxg_98d0xbg/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to [email protected] or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying FAREWELL, do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks! iTunes and Apple Podcasts Spotify Android PocketCasts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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