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She was regulating some kind of power in front of me It was a couple of seconds. I'm like obviously for them first I'm busy The news was busy the box office was a store. Yes. I think that those are obviously the after effects of a industry threatening series of strikes You know and and Vacations and some bad movies and some bad movies.
Yeah, I mean it's a wonky year. I would say we're getting ready to be ready to be ready to do all So One 42 days We're recording a few minutes later this week. I could not be more excited She had not so as of this recording. It is Monday morning February 12th.
We have not yet seen bad web We have seen all of the content. Yeah, I think I'm like fully ready to crack the code John somebody like it was You know she's not opportunity to make some of me in Marvel universe like you know get that check by some more lines I could not be more excited for it to be terrible and for to go to Johnson to just be in our world We have a screening opportunity for me to be in a way that we get to do this. I'll be this week in the meantime The Super Bowl transpire. Yeah, we think we watch it together for a spell for most of it.
That was by time So I had to go home You know, I was in and out it was punctuated by the sound of three to your old grand sack in your toilet Which is one of the premier toilets in like the East Los Angeles area you guys really do deliver And then for a while people were making like fake smoothies and that cookies were introduced so that became like a real Decibel adjustment a great time. I wouldn't say that it was the best game that I've ever seen That record is quite quite odd and disjointed and it never really felt like I can tell the quarter and then the quarter And we're coming up with really and Patrick won't say what Patrick was which was exciting It's a pretty year of great skill. He really is just not gonna watch the game itself was a little disappointing The commercials genuinely had me feeling like the world was ending. They were quite poor It was also I just want to give some feedback the emotions moving looked really good for the game What it did add a new dimension to some of the commercials that made them look even more and I think that has something to do a little bit We're gonna talk about the super trailer because there's just like a digital photography issue where everything just feels hyper real Yeah, but also like you have the setting for life But again, you were there to watch this football so that was good, but it was definitely end up like it doesn't look that We were on my team everything else like garbage on my TV.
So it's only on that TV for sports. Yeah down downstairs where I've rewatch all the Super Bowl trailers Oh, I had the cinema setting. You know, no motion So I revisited every trailer. Did you revisit any of the trailers?
I did but again I didn't get to watch a lot of them with like a focus of someone who had to get on a block about it So I did rewatch them on my phone this morning, you know as God in the trailer I was saying a little bit when in Jack Warner were putting this big industry together You know they thought themselves one day some of them will watch all of these images on tiny little box in her hand I couldn't even the Deadpool's retailer whatever YouTube setting they had like it wouldn't turn more as I'm going to So I was I think it's actually a shine vertical video. I think it was like one Instagram A tire film Deadpool 3 which has been read-up Deadpool and Wolverine We got our first look at that besides on set photos. We didn't see the last few months. Yeah, of course I'm checking every day We've been running comic book dot net dot com for several months and I feel like you're working really strong around this film So we got this movie which you know, I'm a big fan of the Deadpool franchise I don't know what to say this is one of the last things and I'm holding on to her like I like this and I like the only time I'm like right on basically aside from this to be right I think it is incredibly well suited to his consumer that being said the weight of the entire comic book infrastructure Waying down on this movie feels so weird because it's just a dopey Deadpool movie Is there any part of you watch?
I'm interested in seeing how this goes. No, I But that's fine. I had a real clarity with all of the trailers and that's just not moving for me I don't know be for 13 year old boys and people who used to be who once upon a time worth or a 13 year old boys or share their interests You know, and I will one day have a 13 year old boy who is certainly exhibiting that Well, it's like it's all you know everything is going to be from every time people's a movie looks in smiles That's you know like that right? That was the right one.
Oh, look at how cute I am It's a it's about so I like understand the energy and I have a real clarity that there are many things in this world for me Did you watch that? Yeah, yeah, I felt like I was the one thing that I was really So like you're using that that multi-versal aspect of the story to show us like different versions of X-Men and that's how we're gonna So yeah, I had like I also clocked in addition to the I am Marvel Jesus joke with a joke about Something I can't remember probably what was what's the joke is like not new to death Well, what is new to Disney? You know some Lou pegging gay I was a pegging joke because I give the tasers right right right you know I noted just like the meta Disney corporate aspect just what I wondered what you I was talking about talk in the run up to the box in the merger Yeah, something like it would be coming apart of this as part of its appeal was it was really the first true Or read it Lou raunchy comic book adaptation and was like effective doing it super violent like her saying I'm not sex jokes and I think I was part of the appeal and obviously doesn't draft in that kind of something They are so effectively into his presence I think it's a little bit of a like end of century feeling to this though to be another little movie or something Why also maybe they'll just feel similar regarding three words. Okay, we want more It's gonna be consequential.
It's gonna be closing the chat or something that's like on the movie I mean I can joke to the publisher. Yes. What can I say anything about this? I felt this my song commercial which aired right before the game started See on our watching together.
It was the first that I saw many watch the full trailer online Tricks because it's also divided. Yeah, super commercial time So most of these trailers were just truncated versions of what they were actually doing I guess it's probably happened before I hadn't realized it because it seemed like almost everything that we saw here was a 30 second version of a three minute trailer I really care actually preferred watching the trailers the most of the game last night to be honest with you But that was interesting to us speaking of twists. What about twisters? Wow.
What about look at that? I wait you didn't let me though note that like lively live live live Ryan Reynolds was prominently featured at a super cool And even not there and it certainly seems like it's an opportunity. Yeah, I agree a lot of people thought that you look like a lot of version Shine from the town which she did. Yeah, I'm happy for her seems like is this like a fairly recent best friendship Like no, they went friends for a while.
How does that start? I don't know You know, super super in a gosh girl. What I mean all these things start by famous people being like Hey, can you get this other famous person's phone number for me? You know, like live live we launched that like home spine web So I was really home spine website that maybe there was some sort of you remember this it was like now I'm just thinking was this a age of a line tie in?
I mean, it might have been around that time But it was like artisan goop or something but like really like touches no no no it was it was more Everything is like handmade on a ranch something. It was sort of like pioneer woman needs goop. Do you know what? I'm gonna let me spike my twister second divergence Anyway, but yeah, remember when Taylor Swift was supposed to do libraries with all the all the ladies and hi Was there and everything sure like that was there?
Okay, so that's not well happy for them Yeah, I'm pretty and that one will be a great trick twisters Glen Powell, Desegor Jones and he followed up to the 1996 Yondubon classic which we spoke every single thing about this So I mean a little too much digital photography. Yeah I didn't expect the little sensor balls to still be relevant in 2024. I would have thought that we updated the twist of technology Yes, I like it as a call back to the original sure, but I agree with you I was hoping for some updates even though updates do usually apply like wait more digital photography But it's not like the original twister had like real tornadoes. It didn't it didn't have was real sets And it seems like some twisters was shot on out in the real world and and some of it was shot digitally I'm not totally sure but um, the guys are John Director of NRE has made this film just so still so strange about but there's a lot more where when they are announcing the title The film in the trailer goes T and he's shot in the film and build a new shop in the film And I think he's a letter s It's just a shot instead of like a twister blowing something away or truck racing downstream It's just Glen Powell walking in the rain and he is worthy of one of those interstitial Yeah, and I feel like between the any pop and I reckon anyone that you think just like Yeah, it's been 170 something million dollars.
Yeah, international interest remarkable for it super mid movie I feel like it's happening. I'm coming out coming out like We see a month before for sure summer of my power again. I'm thrilled pretty remarkable These are your don't we think her American accent will be like well I see yeah, I didn't see where the crowd at six. Yeah, I'm looking at twisters as a redemption opportunity for day The aggregates at the box office, you know, and a big budget It was wonderful and I didn't well the box office right across here.
So it was also in it Yeah, that's why you think it is that's why you're looking for you. That's what you did well for me No, I'm ending I was just like whoa, because I had never read the book Which is like the second most the second best I'm gonna buy my whatever that's not an exact fact But it's like it's so like you wouldn't believe I got that You wouldn't not believe how many copies of where the product has been sold. I Whether or not she is a known quantity. Well.
No her name is interesting I don't think they might have to push us. We just see I like to go wicked Which was not promoted as we could come apart one. You know, that's what it is. Yeah, it is in fact much like doing when I was duped I two part yeah, they will be released over two consecutive things giving this year and next year for a bunch of who has our keys won't pass It starts our granddance in the arbino as two sister witches in the world of Oz So sort of a refashioning or retelling a reimagining of the Wizard of Oz on our favorite movies But yeah brainstorming about how I would show my kid totally soon and I was just very dismayed by the way Was it pressed?
Yeah, are you familiar? This is obviously like an adaptation of the wildest successful musical wicked giant And I know I know I know I know I know for example that the end of act one and presumably the end of part one Teachers the song to find gravity which is kind of what made a female in a male aka a museum like a big star That was the that's a big big so part one will finish with this like amazing You know if you're into brought in musicals in them. So let it go I think she was the wicked was the West in that original yeah, yeah, and I know it was explained to me by my friends at bling Check I was like what if you went high school in the in the way about so that's that's what I know Is this this high school take place on green screen because that's what I should yeah, no That's I mean that's it looks terrible in addition to being an adaptation of a Broadway musical about which is a high school which No pun intended Cena which By friends of multiple generations that I'm really on out on that Like it is it is gonna be a huge and certainly it is being positioned as like the big musical and I think the big female targeted Movie of the year yes, it is very much the wonka of 2024 that instant at same kind of court Or it's released the same kind of audience where it's like young women and kids lots of songs lavish costumes and production design I'd like John Chugbe's in the past. I just don't you look at the original It was a lot of course which is real sets and say okay Well, that was 1939 and you know we moved on and we have new technology But part of what I thought was so effective about Barbie was the idea of transposing that physical world into an imaginary place Right and it can still be done.
It's harder. It takes more work Say it's a good imagination and so just a pointy We'll be over again. Yeah, I feel you I agree. I agree.
I also don't want to watch a fake dragons like flying around a video game fact. Yeah I like to think you look the conversation like singing about how it's already a witch when you're 15 Did you watch the kingdom of the planet each other? Yeah, I didn't check it out again But I was on the couch. I feel similarly about that.
Yeah, you feel like it doesn't look good because that's a one This is the one franchise made it's a board of the rings where they've been able to get away with a kind of visual credibility Despite being credible and out of community imagery that they use for those films this one looks even more so than the previous trilogy Ripper why it in that reason this one which looks like basically a direct prequel to the original 1968 Plan that they've seen that's what feels like this moment where like literally the apes is kingdom is getting larger and larger and They're finding a way to play in sleep. You may be and that's where 68 kind of starts with the has to get a landing on that in that timeline But it is it is very very very CGI Yeah, some of it is gonna work really well. It has in the past movies some of it. We shall see.
I'm curious. I'm gonna see it I'm excited about it, but I'm not over the moon about it. The fog guy talk about you guy Yeah, I'm like I like it together. I'm a fan of those people.
I feel they know that they kind of air that first trailer Like really didn't hit like four three half minutes long. Yeah, so the most recent thing We saw this people was just like one minute super cut. Yeah, flashing on images with jokes and what lifelines There was a little better in which they started there. Okay.
Okay. I'll keep my room I'll quietly say one this trailer came out a few days ago. You watch this. I did you see why I was for two yes In theaters I was I've seen all the bright places.
Oh, well, I've seen all of them Do you want to see this one? Yeah, what about this book? I left I would say that of all the phones that I watched I was for this book before before so when I left You just you just continue to answer a long time Yeah, and also, you know, I know that we compared not to do that pool But he like has a real minion energy as well, you know Well words are changing though Yeah, but still he really right now he has like just words and he says one as he goes and does something He's not supposed to do it very funny way and then Britain You know, so it's maybe it's like only four billion theaters. So that's kind of what I think it feels like I also do find I left all the minions up, you know, this is really about like ruin his his family or whatever and then any baby Because I'm not even for the time But like every time the minions have a little joke on the side as well That's very funny.
I think the house he does a million so yeah So come for pan for this trailer aired after you left. Yes with me. I lean Alice and Chris We're saying we're watching Power team there before and we're watching an Eileen is like I'll see what this isn't she turn to looks and she says that's a Panda and I think you want to see this movie Which like yeah, do I want to do a pan? And then I'm gonna push on it.
It's like I need to do a pan now So I think we watch all three comped movies Which I have noticed as I have like that in the movies the last one was in there's like posters We're coming to Canada like multiple young children walking through a lot of you clocking the con food can't afford and being like we need to go See that Yeah, I want to see it now like multiple entities of children demanding come to Canada for this is an example of an image Right basically I pass me like I really never got into it I felt like it was always for like five to nine year olds and I never had five to nine year old My life like I go to these movies with some thing from your like 15 years ago Let's go catching up. Okay. A couple more. There were 10 of these monkey man quick trailer for this Yeah, I think I'm very excited.
I don't know I don't know if you're great. That's how I told you and actually be sent in you You think it will actually be a box office success. Well, this is the only movie on your list. It's for us Yeah, and so it's for us.
Yeah, but it's yeah, it's for kids at heart and I was thinking about this this morning I guess Really movies and most things. We've just always made most of my young children. I don't like never really made a lot of money for anyone Oh, right man, you know, that made $3 million for well. Okay.
Great. So that was 30 years 35 years ago. It'll make me like I don't really make money for people anymore I guess it's just all children. Well, the adults are sending money for the kids off and the adults Yeah, but it's nothing targeted adults will make money, which is because I would love I have you know I think about it as well.
I am getting older. I have some I have some money. I like to spend it. No one is giving me opportunity Oh interesting.
You know, I'm gonna withhold this money from my child No, I obviously spend a lot of money. I'm like, well, like a giant minion You know what? Why would I see for it when we go to school before but I'm like, maybe I could also spend some money on myself No one is giving me that opportunity. Yeah, I'm a man.
Definitely like a little film. I mean they are but it's good there Right, right Um, well, you know, being marketed to the genre and there is a buying audience of my public for me like that and then it's like out to Talking with friends this weekend. Um, that's our we miss you and we were there He was talking about how he watched Finding Nemo with his child recently and he just recaps the first three minutes of finding He's like I had locked this out which spoiler alert for the first three minutes of finding Nemo I guess and also like emotional alert Well, like the mom and the whole family get wiped out by shark Yeah, Marlin and Nemo's right. Yeah, but like that's messed up man and and it's and it's one of these I do know that the Pixar movies play with You know like real adult emotions and intense feelings for kids, but it's like You know anxiety is a real issue for a lot of kids at adults, but I'm also like, you know Sometimes there's one we're not feeling like that I I guess I'm interested because I don't really like confronting my fears instantly Yeah I like it in general.
You know you want to be shown that you want to be shown the great city ability Right you want to be shown magnificent gowns right people faces So you go to the movies where I respect inside out to you when you confront those feelings slightly being marketed to seven year olds I'm in I'm it's a great sign and I did he's back. He heard the stuff Yeah, I want to do yeah Very interesting we've not yet on my house, but I feel like it's right around the corner Yeah, we have either the DJ words inspired with the ball did you follow them? I? Log on before I went to confirm that first of all in fact one the DJ for best feature film he did he won the outstanding Gregorial achievement theatrical feature film no surprise there he is the front runner headlong towards the Academy Awards This March something song when we might go out to award for outstanding Gregorial achievement in first time the actual feature film which is wonderful And it's also thing that could be happening at the Oscars if anyone wanted to throw their money and lobbying into it Yeah, I thought you don't know any had a very interesting column about the origins of the casting award and it certainly revealed what we suspected Which is that there was a clear political process to get this over the course of nearly Ten 11 years to get this award out of the Academy which is a little scary when you think about our desire to add awards like first time filmmaker or Break the performance or some choreography or all the other things.
You've got past But great way for some song have you been following the cast that is growing around the materialist or new film? Yes, it's my girl right. Yeah Chris 15 minutes ago which is like Not replacing your sedust And I it's a brief of a war. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah It's just kind of like you know key keys in like a searching phase of her career and I really support that for her and it's her close Personal friends, you know, I just I want to ask a experience.
You know who you are Never one I wonder if this person has ever heard 30 seconds of my voice in a car When I got to a friend's car and having to check out I would be able to do like my job if I thought If anyone serious like any time someone very kind of like oh, I listen to my gas in my impulse I'm sorry Like obviously while I'm crazy person like I promise I'm really life Okay, maybe keyhole for some more. Yeah Yes This is I'm Yeah, but I'm just coming up as well on paper. You think this is one of the big releases of the first half of 2024 It starts to buy one of the Marcus green is follow up to King Richard which was an Oscar triumph for Will Smith and This he redeems with his three letters acting on this movie which I think we're just out of the terms with her flowers screenplay Start things like that here after we've really liked since you wrote three years ago as Bob Marley Which I'll mention other for bars as the remarkly James Norton as Chris Blackwell be famous and pretty executive and it is sort of Microscope I'll talk about a little bit during a forget so it captures I can roughly three four year period of Bob Marley's life starting in 1976 and Kingston where he's preparing a perform This magic concert is meant to be kind of unifying show to bring the two political parties And make up the time people's national party and to make a labor party together in a show of kind of non violence and celebration and Kind of progress and at the time very violent moment in history The movie then moves through these kind of like flashes of time Marley's life is bright and when an assassin comes to a moment to kill him shortly before that moment He then moves to the UK where he records Exodus Then The world's worth any credible success of this and it leads to his actual deeply premature sad death The other 36 from cancer. He's just like the rough outlines of his life from his early 30s mid thirties and I was surprised by how not good this movie was yeah What do you think I agree it was made with cooperation of Marley's estate and his children so it does feature the music which both like over relies on in the sense of like as you said you're walking out the cues are used in the most obvious Like there's a word of dialogue and then the corresponding word in the song plays It's just he has a fight with his wife and a no one is remarkable Every time so they both use it to paper over their inability to like communicate the story or similar idea about Marley but also it's used in such obvious and Just lack lesser way that you're kind of I just kind of not much there.
We were talking before. I obviously do about Marley's I don't I didn't know what kind of personal life I mean, you know, I knew that I knew that he died early and I like I knew the idea of like rest-free You know culture religion, but I didn't know much about it. Don't know as much about make politics in the 70s as I should have And you know you should have go to the movies to learn about those things you should read and learn and I did do a bit of that after Because they do not explain any of it to me despite there being five title cards. Yeah starting There's like that's a bad side when it's like a fifth title card being like, you know explaining This is happening.
This is happening You guys gonna figure out how to tell anything through your actual movie Yeah, the movie has a series of flashbacks to what I thought would be a slightly more interesting to me personally as a music I should say Bob Marley to me. I'm not I'm not a regular expert by any means But I definitely grew up as music is my dad perhaps ironically as a drug law officer big one Marley family family is on his all the time and I'm very familiar with like those kind of five core records from the middle Wait seventies and I like to use a lot. He's like a really interesting bridge figure I thought a little bit recently of that terribly on winter interview from last year He talked about how they're like no black or female artists who were long in his legends book Right a lot of people said like oh, I don't know Mitchell What I see you wonder like Bob Marley is no artist who like basically changed pop music and he to me He's kind of like the great guy to be or like I love Lucy He's just like in the bloodstream of popular culture and you take songs like real birds or syrup or jam and for granted Because I'm using your commercial stuff But if you spend a little bit of time reading my life thinking about the accomplish what interesting interesting and natural and natural sex song Where he was and how clear his messages and how over and over it is it is a format like this you realize it's time It's a better as a book like it's a pop and that's what we can see been a deer I think a pretty great and we're trying to just well. It's not the fault of actors And that's a really hard thing to do because it's he seems to be very like doing the concerts doing the like very specific Physicality a lot of footage of like recording and performing and he manages to do what it sounds like very specific Like physical presence of very specific like cadence and me speaking that doesn't turn into like He's very good.
Yeah, it's weird because you know he had more has a really interesting We started this group called the Willing Whillers and it's a trio and we see flashes of like him meeting read at a young age and falling in love with her and developing his Music and figuring out how he fits into our organism and all of that stuff is basically what would normally be the first hour of a Biotech and it shows an incentive to make it sort of like flashlights like reflection points in his life Well, and then coming back to life I felt like such a nerd like lack of narrative throne through this late stage of his life when he's in UK He's just like a huge star he has a verdict this terrible assassination But he's like according to album hanging out. Yeah, yeah I was like life like everything is so watered down and you don't really get the sense of like struggling side to him You feel the states on the movie a lot and I don't actually think it's like very clear at all about his music or what he's Gonna achieve or the message behind it. You know like it is really trying to avoid any sort of sensitive Like politicization or anything that could get anyone's backup and so it's just kind of like this music is powerful Yeah, it is really loud again Well, it's interesting to see where he performs live he performs a song war live and war is a very verb Both song that really outlines specifically how he sees the world and the problem with like the idea of what we pursue conflict as people and Like the power structure all this all very obvious all right And so the movie is willing to let us hear and see someone just sing the song But then it has no interest in exploring the idea when characters are in a record very strange movie I this happens obviously in their lives by Alex like this now in Walker already this perfectly two years ago We live through Bohemian Rhapsody and Rocketman and you know You know You know Like you know I mean I should think I And this is like feels like it was made for festivals and for us around it's gonna jump on Valentine's day in the middle of February Yeah, you see this I have no people that seems to be right now Yeah, so there's that yeah, even these are the turning red we release that they hold it not very well They're the reason XR movies No, it's not show no. Yeah, superful.
It's overful. Oh, maybe that'll be a factor. Let her get nicer Hopefully they start showing out that I can't see this will be driving all the time interest even though this bomb is Bob Marley Does he still matter to younger people? I don't know what about is under the weather.
I don't know whether he matters as like a person I wonder whether there's a lot of knowledge of Marley as a person There is a lot of knowledge of the music from your commercials as you know this so Well, we were going on everybody had the greatest hits Nobody had legends dorm rooms littered with that poster and when marijuana was illegal in every state He also represented kind of like pinnacle rebel figure slash vibes guy Right original vibes guy. I'm not really I wonder if because our culture has changed around some of those things He doesn't matter much anymore. No, it's just thing to think about I I just was movie was that I spent some time to we can watching there's a great collection of Biggathones on a great channel right now. You know harder to come to the most famous It's such a clip contemporary Marley's and watch rockers for first time to battle on other cool movies from 70s It's we have these movies that show us what Kingston looks like and felt like and they were a little more ambitious and a little bit more Free-reeling and fun funny and they actually communicate the vibes.
This thing about this is that this is a movie about a guy that has absolutely No, yeah, yeah Yeah, I hope good things for Kingston that dear and And Yeah, great. I would get another piece of a while What about the face of things? I love you. Okay, so movies going into a wider release on Valentine's day Like this is a fun thing.
Yeah, it is as I mentioned written by Trenton hung Probably best known for the centipre pile which won ponder around eight years ago I think what's three years ago and I've been working in a kind of like Non-sister like a mainstream fame in the United States International for the last 25 years Yeah, that's a mercurial moment. He's directed an adaptation of more comedy than what which kind of thing Tenors told years ago if you move something easier find others I haven't seen every movie he's made he's one of those filmmakers when this came out. Oh, yeah I forgot about him so he premiered this movie at camp last year one best director It starts to leave an ocean and one national and they in real life were once married Yes, and have child together right and split up and have more than 1999 and and Julia I told the story of what it was like for them to come together in this movie Which is a single night when people see I have a lot of this is the beautiful period It's in France in 1885 focuses on Eugenie and Dodden This is a world class chef Napoleon of gastroni and the woman who works alongside him in the kitchen and helps him craft these extra Nernules and the movie is one part swimming romance one part action movie, but just with food and is one of the best movie I've seen in the last five years so you haven't really talked much We talked a little bit about it and so I got to see this with my husband which was an amazing lovely The experience and this movie turned out to be well suited to our particular our dynamic and I said I was just over I've been opening step used as I said when you put it on your top five last for the year Is like the most electrifying actions that I have seen in some time and I hope you ask them about like they're just cooking Right, they're just cooking so I'm very curious about how they learned to do all this because the technique is It's fine on but there's also like a competence and an ease that you only see like really truly great books And I'm not always like home cooks there is something about it being in a home as opposed to being in like a super industrialized like you know Like a yes chef kitchen no shots of the bear which is one of my favorite things I've seen in the last 10 years. I love the bear, but um, they're it's about cooking and food both as art and as expression and Connection to people and it rolls.
It's beautiful beautiful movie very complicated movie that is not as clear a down the line Romance as you might think yeah the relationship between go down and Eugenie is is a bit unformed it'll undefined for the first half of the movie and you can sense like a longing in the kind of connectivity that they have They work together something to make a partnership, but there's something very restrained There's something unfrench honestly in some ways about the lack of clarity around who they are to each other until we get roughly Unforgot 50 yeah, yeah, and it's our to take shape This is insanely beautifully photographed movie and the cooking is all real. They're all really doing it Which is staggering when you just consider the wealth of food the amount of food is being prepared as such and so please But if you more down the line to a film so their French f beer down here was their sort of guide and they stay Train with him it's easy not as long as you would think to work well like us and children So that she was a cook before this and she knows how to cook but maybe not at this level I'll say every Christmas or only strange to tell you I was invited to a dinner to celebrate this movie and at the dinner was of course I'm hung and you're gonna be prepared the meal And so I went to the dinner, but I felt like I had to leave because I had to go see more movies This is why you fucking yeah, so I So in at the time I knew I was I remember so really nice time to see an early clean You wire for a guy with critics and we're talking. I was like yeah, I'm gonna leave to go see a movie He's like what are you talking about? You're gonna go see and then we go see was not yet And I told this to a few people and they were like you're just a clown show Like you're the clown joke now.
I was committed to seeing all the movies. I got to see everything and nothing I had to have a time and I had to find the show, but um when I later learned I think this is true, you know This wasn't just full of critics and reporters But they were handful of young folks was just on one of those. They were telling you right And I think I see the box and I do is I didn't go so I I need a big steak you had not told me that until right now. I don't know how to be told I'm telling dad is really upsetting.
Yeah, I can't I can't I can't friends there too I do I do I would have probably been nice time. I you know You have to live it yourself. I never say it in a minute. If I'm you don't you tell you right Please I'll happily attend if I need an inner here.
You know I'd love to go more dinner I'm a huge fan of food and I like what you've been having other people for me. That's the best That's the best No, I'm a good dinner Companion oh, I could feel a table right? I think you know yourself as us and that's a one-e-to-be You know I'm great. I guess I would say great dinner.
Yes, okay when you turn on you turn on you know It's really your decision making that is a question here Right? If you decide you know tonight it's gonna be about being social and you're gonna be a good dinner guest and you're wonderful I know you're like in your stretchy and you're in your stretchy. You know you know well I can't wish I been there. I also felt this way when you told me about you guys like we catch your watchable Or yeah, and I'm like when there's not someone there to guide you like you guys are just your lost, you know Well, it's not my natural instinct to socialize.
I know I can as you say turn it on. Yeah, and it might turn on I could do fine, but if I my default is I really go home. I'm too shy. You know that It's like I actually only really like being social for discreet periods of time right planned well and events I can I can I'm motion prepared myself right?
Yeah, so this was an occasion where I got to this dinner I thought I figured I was gonna leave and I got there. I was like oh no, I shouldn't be leaving this this is intimate and cool with nice people I'm here on your oh my god Do you have any I got to my not even guys? Yeah You cannot see this 134 minute film Do you have to have an elite reservation because it's going to serve a kind of hunger inside of you this difficult I will say I will say I will suppose I'm not seen it, but I found the final sequence I have third act to be extraordinary and so moving and that's even the last job is just I have thought it's on It's interesting incredible wonderful movie. It has gotten caught up in the crosshairs of this controversy around the end of the fall.
I'm not being submitted for France. To me reminds me of the fact that it's just like one country submit when the county's increasingly becoming just the international movie award. So every movie should be eligible. And I'm the fall was nominated for Best Director, Best of the original screenplay, and Best Actress.
So that's great. My issue was that T-shirt things was not the international feature. It's a good kind of vote. You know, one of the movies I have to take.
I have to watch it. I used to have that one. I was really depressing. And I know I have to watch it.
It has some, I have to do my backdrop of all the actors and the actors. And anyway, T-shirt things should be on the board. Wonderful. I've got a bit of a pickle tonight, just since we're bringing the audience in on my face, which is that I either go see how to kill a tiger, or kill a tiger, which is not made of a documentary.
I'm not seeing it, which is not very widely seen. Or, love lies bleeding. The Rose glass, which is what we really want to see. So I think I'm going to go see love lies bleeding.
I don't know why I'm going to see kill a tiger. If someone out there is looking at this working on a tiger, please show it to me. I'm going to see it. Can you share it with me as well?
It's not available. I'm going to go over the news, check out. So this is a world class movie. We made our top five food movies.
And I did. It would be on it. And I did other ones. I didn't want to break the rules.
But this would be up there. This would be like in my top two. It would be free. I don't know if I've ever really seen food presented in a film like this movie.
Like me, it's number one for me. I think it could be for me as well. It's just the kitchen and all of this specialized dish. It shows all the different sides of cooking.
They're very precise. There is a science to it. But there is also an art and just a panache to the way that they're making it. The setting, the way that it's so great.
It's just so invigorating. And it captures that thing that food does for everyone, as culture as community. I was bringing it down like my child's picture books right now. What's my question?
But that's true. It's a sincere movie that should be received sincerely. If you don't think about the very direct themes of the movie and how it's clearly like a metaphor for the art creativity, the act of creativity for their being is a chemical balance between that scientific approach that you're talking about and also the kind of the privacy of the world that comes to feel like an entrepreneur. And I'm very clearly thought about this being like, this is kind of like a movie.
We're like the group of people in a room. Everybody has different responsibilities. There's one person who's got the visionary behind it. And then when you finish the service of the world and they decide what they like, you don't like it.
So it's very clearly that. It's also about how very sincerely how love is this unique thing where it is both magic and indefinable and it can slip through your fingers if you don't protect it. But also a hard in partnership that it requires work and requires technique in some ways. I really like how direct it was about what goes into kind of affirming and confirming their partnership and how it's not as easy as saying I love you and then moving magic like it is something different than that.
And then also you know, it's a movie that I'm currently saying more than that, but things change. Life changes and food expires. It meals and the movies range about that. It was really just a beautiful movie.
Food is a tricky idea. I did a house of carbs. I want to say 2017 or 2018, which is a house of oil food podcast before I'm rare food came along and well, this is probably about five thousand years just on though in DC. I'll take a quick pause.
We want to dinner afterwards. We're talking about stores or meals. We want to dinner afterwards and Mr. Brother came there, kind of carrot was the thrill.
So they came out with us, MECR, Carcault, Active Lara, Shoutout to David, and then a couple of bills friends, bills there obviously and houses there and houses at the end of the table at the Great DC restaurant in the year. We got 11 p.m. and it was home and it was packed on like a Tuesday. So house, you know, everybody was like, all having some french fries on a beer.
Like it was kind of coming out when I, house ordered, I think a fried chicken sandwich seafood tower and a perfect meal, almost all of it. And then we just came around and she asked us about dessert and everyone ordered dessert and we got pyre, cheesecake, rice, and whatever. And then house ordered a cheeseburger and he ate a chicken. And I was like, this is like this is like this is, it was a true time.
I was like, I'm incredibly hungry. I'm so excited about that. I'm thinking about breaking up. It wasn't quite food food food food food.
It was close. When you are going to see a food food, what are you looking for? What do you want to do? What do you think is successful?
I mean, well, the actual like, the understanding, the know how a food is made. You know, it's like, it's not work. And then loving photography and presentation. I found that most of my food movies were home cooks as opposed to restaurant.
But that is also kind of what I'm interested in. Like I love a good restaurant as much as that person. I love it. I love it in our love password.
And it might be your prepared food events. But even the food media that I consume, like I'm a die-hard and I'm garden. And it is a home cook. That's what I'm thinking about.
And so most of my movies are about people making food at home as an expression of some sort of emotion. Usually love, but sometimes other things, it is food as much I guess. Yeah, it is a convertible metaphor for a lot of different kinds of things. I agree with you.
I like seeing how it is made. I like seeing the active invention. I didn't put John Thavro's chef on my list. I thought about it.
I didn't put Burnton on my list. Well, I think Burnton's a terrible one. Yeah, but it's really good. I guess watching the food act in Burnton's pretty good.
But chef is one of those movies where there's a lot of care when it's making of the food images. You can see that there are people like, and most of my movies have that. Most of my movies are about the kind of sequencing and execution of making a meal. Some extravagant meal, some really low-toned and regular meals.
Let's start. You want to go first? Oh, first. Mine are five in this piece of it.
This is a restaurant movie. But in addition to being a driver to break out, it's about some young women who work at the local, really good piece of place. And it's a coming of age story. And it is about food and restaurant as sort of like a gathering at an access of people.
It's also about how pizza is really important. And pizza is really important. Pizza is culturally very significant. It's actually our dinner kitchen.
So there is a real mess of pizza, I believe. I think it's a private course. I know. I would like to try it.
I'm not something that's with certain restaurants, especially restaurants like this, which are low-touch, their meat and points for community. And like the relationship that intersect and these girls and other friendship evolves and relationships evolve. I like this pick. I would not have guessed this one.
OK, Minecraft's Red 2y, which is. I think that's the one for you. Yeah. Yeah.
Redbirds masterpiece about the way that a rat learns to understand himself by wanting to go. I also the way that critics understand themselves by opening their heart to art. You know, they're not thinking of it as a savaging of what has been in front of them. They're a way that understands the experience.
Just a great movie. Really, really, really animated and written. And I want this from Brad Bird. And Robert's recognition of possible movies, or incredible movies, or see Robert De D'Arngan.
This is like a whole original invention. It's a whole original Pixar movie. It's a movie with a fun plot and big interesting ideas that you can show to five-year-olds. I'm having a chance to write shit yet.
I don't know. I don't know. It's a movie that's a little bit responsible for getting me more food oriented for lack of a bit of a really movie. I'm going to work at the time when this came out.
It was just about to go to Paris for Mahoneymoon. I think I'm very, and I'm not saying that Ratty was a service responsible. I wouldn't say it was a good eater when I was a little kid. As you know, I have some particular taste even to this thing.
But you really, really appreciate and enjoy finding it. I do. Anyway, I appreciate it. But it's like not what I would pick.
Like most of the time. Yeah, I could say. Yeah. Yeah.
I think someone that's very good personality is that I think you appreciate the imagination. Like the technical achievements. Like the David venture or the group. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. And Ratty was one of those movies. I opened my mind consciously.
It's not just like for sure. Just hearing words in a kid's movie that I hadn't heard before. Maybe it was not thinking about French cuisine and Alfred I love French cuisine now. So pretty critical for me.
Okay. It's a tiny American. The Martin President of the documentary about his parents. And it's a first thing I thought of when he said food movies.
And this is available on criterion. It's just a 15-minute movie where he's interviewing his parents. But it's kind of bookended by his mother making her sauce for him. And he starts it by saying, can you show me how you make your sauce?
And both her, that's his way of getting her into the space of being interviewed. But it's also his way of understanding that's actually how my mother is going to learn. Like, how to talk and she describes herself as a person. And she really, as she is.
So she quite literally makes the sauce. And the sauce recipe is printed at the very end of the film after the credits. Yeah. It's not like there are no specific measurements.
You know, it's just like put some meat in to make the meat fall down and say, well, how much? You know, it's like a person's probably not really here. But it's like a literal cooking is part of it. But it is cooking and food as self-expression.
It's like as personality, that is what she is talking about. And also as heritage because she talks about how she learned. from her parents and they talk and it's and the rest of the film is like around dinner. She's making dinner for them.
So it's about the real food place in any family but especially in a time when I'm like, interesting. My number four is somewhat correlated. I'm reluctant to even talk too much about it because we had Roger Avery on the pod with Quentin Tarantino a few years ago. And then in the 1987 movie, I think Roger's last pick was my number four, which is that it's which is pretty much on any list of movies.
Yeah. In many cases, it is at number one. I would say that it's used to walk to the taste of things could run because this is a movie that operates in a very similar fashion insofar as it has a long lead up to an extravagant prepared meal by a woman as a Danish one by a French woman who comes to live with two Danish sisters who are the daughters of a minister and they live in a very devout, acetic, a sporting lifestyle. They're not into enjoy things in a specific way.
But that who was kind of in the aftermath of the revolution in France comes to stay with them and she luxurates in French cooking and she wins the lottery and her winning the lottery unlocks this idea in her mind of after living with these women as a kind of refugee for free for many years, like 13 years. She wants to reward them. She wants to thank them by preparing a true, extravagant French meal. And so the final 40 minutes of this movie is just a preparation and execution of the meal and then watching this group of people who gathered trying to withhold their feelings because of their religious beliefs because their sense of restraint is necessary in their culture.
But this struggle to do so with this beautiful meal is unprepared. It's funny because it's a movie that I don't want to have an age well. It's not as mind-blowing clearly as it was. But it is a movie that I don't know that there's ever, I don't know the two at this point there had ever been a movie like this where, and I feel like they're going to take something.
It's kind of a don't know how you did it kind of a movie where they're preparing a meal and then the meal's going out for the room. It must have been done like real time for it to make sense from a continuity standpoint, from a storytelling standpoint. And it's fascinating to be about what we choose to enjoy and what we choose to pass over. And there's this echo in that form of these two sisters who are elderly by the time we get the frightened keyframe for the movie where they've turned down to key men in their lives and have lived essentially a nuns life and then held those men's lives like I go back in this one.
It's beautiful movie if you haven't seen that it's Easter, I'll just remember. Number three. I cheated a little. It's a North Carolina letter.
Jeline Julia, which is more around 2009. Movie about Julia Child and then Julia Powell, the woman who the blogger who made all of her. So that's a mystery. I'm a listen, like a letter for her.
And then Parker, the 1986 adaptation of North Afron's legendary food and revenge model. It was screenplay by North Carolina director by Michael Wells. Love this movie. This movie is great.
Food is a big part of all North Carolina movies. I mean, if you think about when here in Natali, like the pie with it, I'll know it unless it's something. And then obviously, Cassie's Selly, like there's plenty of stuff in your front mail. She was a big cooking real life.
And there's a lot of very funny essays or wrote a lot of very funny essays and advice that I had was in a party. Julia Julia, the high was being a little snarky because the Julia Child part is wonderful. Play by Meryl Streep and it's about Julia Child, wanting other brands and the in board and then writing, Master in the other book which is like a legendary French book book. But it's really great in the great Meryl Streep that really communicates like the best dough of Julia Child and enjoyment of cooking.
And it's also a very lovely portrait of Julia Child's marriage in like Julia Child's marriage. I always think of the scene where she goes to, I believe it's sort of a blow out of the French people and she's trying to learn how to chop like a mountain of onions. And she starts like very slow. And then by the end she's like master in it.
And just like one hand, like you know, it's just so funny. And she's just like, duh, I didn't. But they're just like a real enjoyment of food is that half of it. And then the hard burn, I mean, in the book the recipes are like sprinkled throughout and are pretty the recipes.
I always think of the carbonara scene which is like in the head days of the romance between again, Meryl Streep character, who's the sort of standing from her front and then Dr. Colson. And they've been in bed for a few days and then it's sort of like made like carbonara and made with love and other things. And it's just, she again, food as a central part of these people's lives and relationships.
I just also seems like a different like thought about food a lot which I also do. You know, I spend a lot of time thinking about what is the next thing I'm gonna eat and tell my girlfriend or a pirate. So I appreciate it's just like always on her character's minds. Yeah, there's a nice little echo with telling American as a pig because obviously she was married to an apology who was the author of Wise Guy which was adapted into good fellows.
Which has the iconic, yeah. And so you could see it's like a significant part of their lives. It's like a form of appetite. You know, it's all like tied together.
Yeah. My number three, I think number three? No. Okay, this is worth checking out.
It's Chateau Poco is a Japanese film by Giuse O'Tami. And it has been described as a ramen Western. I think that probably doesn't sell it to you properly. But it's effectively like a, same movie featuring two different stories.
It's like a far-sicle essay movie. One story is about these two truckers. One of whom is reading a book. In the book, there's this elaborate description of the making and enjoyment of ramen.
And as these two truckers are, this one is reading the book aloud to us. See Nate, you know, like God damn it, I'm hungry. Definitely you have a watch on these movies. They pull over to Raman joint.
And instead of Raman joint, Raman is terrible. And actually it's so terrible that like, like, flight breaks out of Raman joint. And one of the, one of the truckers takes interest in a woman who was working at Raman joint. What kind of interest he takes, which is a way of kind of interest he takes, you know, is both kind of business and romance.
And over time, they start visiting all these various Raman joints learning how to craft the perfect Raman no-like steel recipes, still in ingredients, so you're going to have to do it. So we have beautifully photographed. It shows lots and lots and lots and lots of shots of noodles pouring into boiling water. And yeah, the show you was incredible.
And then there's this other half of the movie. And that's kind of a comic romance featuring, it's basically a guy who looks like Japanese and the young joints. He's wearing a kind of dashing adventure hat. And he's played by his Italian makazi.
And Nobuko Miyamoto is the woman. And then there's a secondary story about like a gangster and his girlfriend. And the movie, so interest is just kind of of that. And they keep having these sensual absurd, sometimes sexual encounters with food.
There's a particular moment of training at Yoko and forth in each other's mouth. And then when the eggo person was now, she doesn't work as well. And it's very odd, kind of like almost like a chapter breaks for this movie, but the whole movie is a fact like about like, food has this overwhelming sensual physical power. But the gangster in the movie, I had not realized before once I realized last night, his coachea who was the star of perfect days.
The new event has been coming. And he's a, you know, many Japanese movies before I never noticed before. Can't imagine how they do who many American people now he appears as the other truckers were reading the book in the movie. It's a very strange, unusual kind of formulation with the way the ramen is shot in the movie is fucking insane.
It's like, I just want to eat every image that you see. And I couldn't think of another movie that felt like it. I couldn't even know who was edited this way. It's kind of a conceptability, strangeness of it.
You know, it's considered a classic in Asian film circles. It's an interesting question. It's an interesting kind of a channel right now. It's a very weird, my number two fan thread, which is, it's a close movie, but it's also a movie.
Everything, I mean, the hungry boy and the breakfast and then the breakfast, and he's making too much noise with the toast. And obviously the mushrooms, you know, my girl, the phone's like, exactly. So the asparagus, you know, have you come here and I prefer it this way and that way. So it's food as the way that people care for each other or don't care for each other as the case may be.
But also food is art, like, it's a different type of appetite that is being expressed in this creative and express movie along with all of the like, put her creations. So, yeah. Just like food is taste too though. I mean, literally taste like it taste like food in your mouth.
So how you define yourself against the world and the kind of food that you like to eat and I've just critical to rental to someone who's so particular like Reynolds. Three pick, have you ever made an angry meal for Zach? A kind of like a spiteful meal? I think I would more just walk out.
You know, it would make me just be, I wouldn't make any thinking. Have you ever said make it yourself? Well, so I am the, and this is gonna sound like a little more stereotypically gender than I want to do, but it's really more because planning is one of the skills that I bring to our marriage on the person who remembers things and who plans. And so I'm also like a meal planner, you know, and I like grocery stores.
So I go to the grocery store. I'm just trying to like making sure that we're all fed. I'm not actually always cooking it, but like I keep the stores up to food. I know what's in the pantry.
Like I'm seeing the whole world also because I enjoy thinking about what I'm gonna eat at like any given moment two hours to five minutes. So sometimes like if I'm really annoyed, I'll just be like, yes, if you're at the hotel for yesterday, I'll just be like, I'll just be like, I like to eat whatever. It usually is so hard in the pre-door dashes. And I was just like, I'll just get tacos.
Like I used to feel more desperate. And I cooked a lot more 15 years ago because I felt like it was more of a hassle as our convenience has grown. I've seen my ass working a little bit. I do like to cook, but you also live like a world glass chef.
I really like to cook that. She's very good cook. So I'm very fortunate. But she's just like, she's the planner.
She's the ex-cute. But she's not like, she is really, really precise. I'm a father-girl. And she always wants the science guy.
But she's always now with people because she's like red, different things. And she's like, the air pockets are like this. And that's why her food is like, exactly no matter. And I'm always like, seems like this has been in for a long time.
It's like, I don't make because as soon as my government comes into it. I'm out. I think you're freestyling, freewheeling approach often has great results. Thank you so much.
So not everything needs to be perfect all the time. But I appreciate that. I think that's a good protection. Geography and sushi is my number two.
This is a movie that I would pause it. Change food documentary forever. In some interesting ways, both good and bad rest. It's directed by David Gill, who is now known as the very successful documentary particularly with folks on food.
It follows Duro Ono, who owns and operates Sukiabashi Giro, which is a three-star Michelin sushi restaurant, in Japan, that is basically installation. Ten seats. It's considered one of the more difficult seats or least it was 13 years old movie was made to get in Japan. I really like it either.
What's interesting with the movie, though, is not just the people photography of the preparation of sushi, is itself an art and this fine-green combination of preparing right correctly, finding a right kind of fish, cutting out fish correctly. But also really interesting, I'm just going to look at what you're kids about because you're kids and why. And very sensitive, thoughtful movie that looks amazing. I think it's important because David Gill went on to make stress table, which became one of the most successful, I was either one of the most successful documentary anything because of its placement on Netflix.
Anyone on a made several scenes of it in a spotlight several chefs over the years. And he's that kind of an odd career because immediately after Duro Ono's sushi, he directed this horror movie, the Lazarus effect, starting with a little wild. It's not a bad movie. I came out the same year as chef's table.
But since then, he's basically only on docs until he worked in second unit photography on a week called the menu. He only told me, which is pretty good, not great. That's flaws, but you're only talking about food. So I love the idea of him being the super secret photographer of food for any movie that features food in it.
I thought it was a great client. It was idea that was they bring him in that role. Maybe more my love to be successful. I'm sure he was a huge, it was one of my time looking at what's classic.
It was a lot of different about documentary and time. But I'm feeling like now maybe he doesn't have as much of a footprint as it did a decade ago. I don't know, he seems to be before. Yeah, of course when I came out.
As you said, it was hugely influential. So now there are many documentaries that you can say. Yeah, so it's not supposed to be the five times. It's like there weren't as many documentaries available.
Yeah, so there was a lot of the way. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of poo-like or more weave of American documentaries. It was a bit of a kind of one.
Each man would say, which is another food is meant for in the case it's out a chef and his readers and she is getting up in years and there are things that he cannot say or cannot taste anymore. And then his daughter's just got up to some more stuff, which is also really fun. There is a lot of food in this. It's kind of organized around these opulence and dinners that he prepares for and orders his grown daughters to come to every Sunday.
But they're just also getting into stuff in their own lives, which is really fun. But it starts much like these things, which is like a really extended coconut bignol set piece that is really delicious. And also ends with a very lovely moment of father and daughter and food bringing them together. It's great stuff.
Great movie. I think this is a tough one to find on the way. Okay. All right.
And the most thing we don't do available now, this is a pretty big breakthrough frame. Yeah. Yeah, this is 94 and then seven million. Yeah.
Perfect movie. Great pick. I think I made this movie my number one movie like this list with Joe six or seven years ago. I can't recall.
But when it was released, it was announced that another movie is all time. It remains that even though it's not as widely renowned as it used to be, which is like 1996 movie by the time it's gone. This is the way we've been on my list, but it's not real. Wonderful movie.
It's not just in every movie together after this. I wonder why. This is the time to kind of our house in some classic premiere of the Sunday on the 1996 came out later that fall. And it's a movie about a small restaurant run by two brothers played by a Sunday, Togie and Togie, who make a very authentic kind of equilibrium Italian cuisine and a really struggling because the food that they're making is too regional.
It's too specific. It's not fitting in the New Jersey culture of the 1950s. It's not meatballs and macaroni, the way that needs to be. It's very elaborate series of complex slavery dishes.
And they're trying to find a way like launch the business to the stress here. World-class band leader singer, et cetera, jazzy, leprechaun, comes down. It's a preparing a mega meal for leprechaun. And this is the same thing as a lot of the movies we've just talked about, which is just pouring wave of incredible looking food.
With a little bit of action, we feel like we're like, can they pull off a meal to entice leprechaun to then say great things about the restaurant for the last time in this radosphere? This is one of those movies that is probably more important to American independent cinema than we realize now. But I feel like my parents were having a seat at it. And maybe they didn't have a conscious that's all what mere Maxwell is or what the Samuel Golden Company was.
But really fun, cast out is all Rosalini at home, and also Janie, Nate Driver, and then the second bike before, right after. Good one, right before, before. Just a great movie, he loved it, Tom Cuisine. He looks incredible.
It's funny. Tom Cuisine was incredibly great. Jeff, big night, it's a great movie. I need to go get some chips.
There's something I'm so hungry. Let's go in the conversation now with Trenton and Joe Vosh. So it's time to be joined by Trenton and Julia Benosch, and the movie is how it happens, because you've got to find the right moment and the right story and the right character and the right country. And it was this project that- Were you scanning Julia on a visit, or did you go to an teaser?
No, no, I went there to meet with the DP because I worked with him. So that's how we met. But later we really had to show the same agent in Paris. So it was easy for us to know what she's doing and what I'm doing for.
How about finding the novel and then transforming it into this story? I know you're very particular about picking projects. So how did you end up developing this one? Yes, I found the book and I quite like it because there were some pages in the book that was quite amazing about how people talk about food and but I didn't like the story.
So I prefer to tell the story that was before the book and to tell the story about love and food, especially about marital love. So who came up first to the award, Benosch? Do you remember? Yes, I do remember.
I quite understand this. Because you imagine that they would be great to get around three of these hearts. How did you feel about that idea? You know, another actor was supposed to do it and then whom proposed me to do the theme of part.
I remember reading the first draft of the script. I also knew if he could develop the role in it or more, which he did like in a month time. And then probably with those changes, the actor who was on the film decided to drop the film and go wait and we're kind of happy. And then another actor came on board.
It was my idea actually and whom liked it. And for six months he said that he was in a duet and then the last minute he said no. So that was like a big betrayal. And then finally whom asked me if I would be okay if they were proposing to be on a gym head because we were together before and like 20 years before and had a daughter together.
And I said yes, of course you can try. I was doubting that he was going to say yes, but also in a place that we needed to find urgent few an actor in order to do the film because otherwise we were going to lose the money. And so whom wanted to shoot in spring because it was very important for the story. So because I was going to shoot afterwards a TV series so the dates were shrinking and were kind of nervous about it.
And then finally when one said yes, like almost two months before we started shooting. So it was released but then a whom, you know, he's quite worried as a beam. And so he, you know, went to the castle that he had found to shoot and tried to, you know, to prepare the film, to have the set ready, everything. But just like so this, that's right because the spring was not there yet.
So the first week of shooting it was where I was when I was not out, I was starting and I was like bringing inside, I hope this spring will come. Because I felt guilty that, you know, I pushed to make a, you know, she started shooting very early on. And then finally after a week, it started to blossom, the sun was there. And, and Yenke who's a wife and who was doing the costumes and the art direction.
Sun, he brought all the flowers in, you know, in all of the sets and that's why there's kind of a magical feeling of it, you know, of the lights and the colors and the atmosphere of it with the candles in the night and this kind of light with the mystery really brought to the film this kind of magic. Yeah, you need those first images in the garden that film like this doesn't work if you don't have the right time of the year. And very specific thing. So if you'll then with the casting and the timing and all of that, like, did you know in a moment like we are lucky, like there's something that's gonna happen right now, you're making it?
Yes, yes, I think that's always, I had the feeling that I'm very, very lucky first to have both of them as you get and then we're, and then with the help of the weather, you know, because we, we, we pick, because we have very few days of shooting and when we have some outdoor shooting, we need to have, you know, the right weather for that. And each time we, we got it. So I think I'm very lucky. So I'm curious about preparation for the movie for both of you.
It feels like an unusually intense kind of preparation especially for a smaller film with the short shooting schedule. And you both talk about what you did and you don't can start by saying like, how do you map out a movie like this? How do you choreograph a film like this? Oh, in fact, we, we didn't have time.
No, we did. We were here one day, you know, with the cooking choreography. But who had worked with the chef, Gagnana quite a lot in choosing recipes and going to the kitchen and seeing him go through the whole, you know, chronology of how to make things. And who sent us those links in order to be familiar with what we needed to do.
So when we came on set, like, you know, the day before the rehising day, and then we started shooting right after. So there was not a lot of time, but I mean, when we were at Cook's, I cook and who has made some film. So we needed to work quite, you know, quickly, like a man, you need to take it to take it quickly and turn it, you know, because this camera was like a brush more than a camera. You know, it was really going into, into this world of the pace, the cooking, the rhythm of melting, burning, boiling with all the colors, the taste, the melt, you know, it's a, you enter the world.
And the, the, the, the need of whom was that we would experience as an audience, but also as actors, the pleasure, the, the generosity of what the planet is us and through colors, through, you know, all the textures. And I really felt that was really giving, sort of a, this generosity and we experienced for real the eating, what it feels like to open doors in your sensory, you know, experience because each time it was like, oh wow, it can be that, eating can be that as well as usually, you know, we eat quickly and we're not thinking, well, we eating or not even being in relationship with what we eating. And so this film really makes you, it takes you into a world where you take time to have a relationship with what's given to you. I feel like it's also, there's this emotional wellspring around making food and serving food and eating food.
But then technique is a big part of it too. I mean, it just seems very intimidating even just to watch as a very bad cook myself. Were you nervous about trying to execute such things on the technique or older, this is a film taking place in the late 19th century? I assume that it's not like cooking up on your home to be preparing these meals.
I mean, even when you watch the links and you have a sense of how the meals should go, just anybody cooking while not being filmed with a crew is tense and nerve wracking. What was that like? Actually, that first opening 30 minutes of the film, just like an action sequence. Can you talk about me?
Yes, I think that the kitchen is a very dangerous place. You know, so for the actors, it's quite a challenge for them to be able to at the same time act and cook and being happy and working around the place, being almost free, giving the feeling of being free in this kitchen. It was really quite difficult. And for sure, yeah, the brain was doing all the day.
They had to find to get there, you know, how you got it there. The dish towels. Yes, exactly. So you had to make sure that your dish towels were in place.
So I was like fighting to, nobody to touch my dish towels. You know, to not burn my hands. But I mean, cooking is when you used to cook and I do because I have kids and also I love cooking, not every day. I dislike it as much as I love it.
But when it's everyday, it's, I mean, you know, it's all working. But at the same time, it's easier to cook in front of the camera than to have emotions in front of the camera. You know, as actors, you've got to put everything together, you have the text and how it's connected to you soul and heart and yet to make it real. And so cooking is less difficult if I may say it's a thing of a pace that you're allowing, you know, that it's going to take a while.
It mean while the camera is going to move to that place. So it's an ensemble thing that you find the pace and so it feels natural, even though it's not totally natural because you've got it for the film and who chooses to have a final time for this instead of that. So it's after that when you understand what it's all about, you know, all this movement, it becomes easy. And I wouldn't say easy, but it becomes possible.
Yeah, it is also very important for me to give this feeling of harmony and also the humanity of the characters. And this based on the way we work together, we don't rehearse a lot. So we deserve everything on the set, a step-by-step. So the character is built up slowly in the beginning.
We don't even know that Eugenia didn't work a couple. We only know it very late after the dinner and the first discussion near the water. And it was for me, we needed to have a very beautiful love story, a very special kind of love story. And because it's full of respect and kindness and caring, and you know, Juliette has been so beautiful in these two characters.
Why would my film about Meryl, if your partner worked on the film, you've directed her in films? Like why this age of your life did you want to tell us about that? Yes, it's a, you know, like in the movie we are at the autumn of life and I quite like this moment. I really enjoy because everything somehow I look at everything differently and everything has a different intensity in it.
So I really want to make a movie that expressed this idea of this beautiful age and people who live together for a very long time. You know, it has its beauty. Was it complicated for you to work with Meryl and film about this subject? No, no, it was probably almost a melancholy feeling because we were not together, you know, at our autumn time.
So that was probably a melancholy about it. But that's life, you know, you're not perfect. Yeah, but you can feel there's a magic between you still and you're watching the film in your performance. Because love is beyond anything.
Love is a process. And even though there were complex other words and standing or silence or you know, this kind of distance as a protection, love is the biggest and you surprise that you can feel that. What was it about? Even though even though you felt like you went through all the stages of feelings of you know, being angry or all the stages, but still this big feeling of forgiveness and forgiving yourself as well that you felt all this and that's something bigger that is is taking it.
It's overwhelming. Eugenie is a really interesting character, especially the way that she thinks about love and commitment in the film and the way that she decides or does not decide to do certain things with Ben last character. I don't know if that came out in the development of the character that you talked about. It wasn't my idea, it was one idea.
Yeah, it was in the structure of the script. I wanted this woman to have a certain resistance towards the middle character. So this was the nature of their relationship and also its beauty. That's why she needs to have this kind of distance with a Buddha.
And we had a different view, slightly different about Eugenie. I saw her more soft and as you get, yes, so a little bit different. So what did I have to have felt? No, I never felt that because we never really discussed that.
Yes, exactly. So on the other side, Eugenie was expressing what she felt for the character and I always asked her to be softer. So we realized it. Yes, on the other side.
All the time. Yes, yes. I can't remember any of that. That's interesting.
What did you want to peel to her about you and about what her character's life represented? I never really take a character from outside because it doesn't mean anything to me. I don't like to think too much about the character. I like to feel her and maybe analyze a situation and then trying to link it to some places that is not, you know, like a nice work.
You want to know the inside, you know, the root. And what I knew is that she was an orphan somehow because her parents died and she was always in the kitchen world and saying that her father was not patient with her in teaching and she learned everything from her mother. But knowing that she was, you know, she didn't want to get married. She wanted to be independent.
I liked it. I never really felt that there wasn't any kind of feminist, you know, a need of saying something. It was just that she's happy the way it is. Why change it?