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And I'm Alina. And this is Morbid. I'm not going to sing in the central because I feel like I sing a lot of intros in, so I won't do that to you this week. Hey, you do you.
Thank you. There it is. Absolutely. So I think before we start an Ash-centric episode, hello there.
Hello. We just have a couple of things we wanted to mention. One being that, hello week is coming up. I wonder why he's so excited.
Guys, it's going to be so much fun. We're doing shows for Australia, Europe and North America, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Yeah. Of the week, what are the dates?
The week leading up to Halloween. The week leading up to Halloween. We put a link for tickets in our bio on Instagram. Yes.
Or you can find tickets at where? On locationlive.com slash Morbid World Tour. Yay. So make sure you go there and get some tickets.
We're doing meet and greets like a virtual meet and greet. We sure are. And it's going to be a lot of fun. There's a poster.
There's a poster. Really cool poster. Yeah. And we're going to theme it for like the specific region that we're targeting.
So an Australian case each, a European case each and a North American case. And each show is going to have a different costume. That's right. That are three costumes each.
They're like kind of relating to your places, but not actually. But not really. One of them really does. Very loosely for two of them, but one of them definitely.
Like a cardboard. So make sure you're looking open up for that. Also make sure you, if you haven't yet, go check out our podcast show that Ash and I host called Crime Countdown. It's top 10 lists of all kinds of cool things like stolen body parts, you know, crazy serial killers from the 70s.
It can really get you in the Halloween mood. It really can. And it's like a good little like it's quicker. You know, it's like quick, like 30 minutes and stuff.
So it's like a digestible little list. Yeah. You know, you know, you need your true crime fix. And if you don't want to start an episode and be in the middle of it, like a morbid episode, if you're running to the grocery store, I feel like Crime Countdown is like the perfect thing to pop.
It really is if you're running out for an errand and it's perfect or like cleaning. Yeah. And I mention this because our Halloween episodes are going to be a lot of fun. There's some really cool categories that we're doing.
So I think everybody will dig it, definitely go give it a look so that we can keep doing it forever because it's so fun and we love parkas. And I never want to stop. And then the last thing I just wanted to ask everybody, and this is not like business, this is just me wanting to be like, hello, everybody, let's chat. Yeah, you briefly brought this up to me and I was like, wait, let's do it on the air.
Yes, because this has been bothering me for days. OK. So there, Ash, I will give her full credit, has introduced me to the world of TikTok. You're welcome.
I'm now obsessed and I can't stop watching. You know what it is? Younger millennials need to help out the older millennials. Yeah, you need to share about us into the TikTok world.
And you did. And I got, we also got John into it, which is unbelievable because John is literally Ron Swanson. So the fact that he's into it is huge. I never thought that would happen.
But so we'll be, so somebody, and I don't remember who, so if it was you, definitely like tell me in bang, you over to have this information. Yeah. Somebody tagged me or send me a message and was like, have you seen this weird TikTok account that showed up a couple of weeks ago? And it's called You Shouldn't Be Looking.
And I just looked for it because I was going to show Ash. Now I looked at this last night. And I'm asked. There was probably like 12 videos and they have 115.3,000 followers.
Yeah. Yeah, one million likes. Wow. And I went to show her and it's scrubbed clean.
Yeah, there's no videos. It's still there. But it says no content. So we were in the middle of this is like how far we got in the conversation.
And then I was like, well, what was on? Yeah. Like what were the videos? And then I was like, wait, let's do this as we're recording.
So we're there. It's called at You Shouldn't Be Looking. Right. I don't want to.
The name is You Shouldn't See. Yeah. And they were these short videos that were just shit like somebody filming in the pitch black down a weird dirt road in the middle of the night. But like were they saying anything?
No, nothing. So then it would shut off. And then there was another one that was a and you see this person's hands. It's definitely a man.
And it looks to be an older man like middle aged man. And he's got cuts all over his hands. No, no. And dirty fingernails.
Because he was just doing a fucking grave. And when I say cuts all over his like the tops of his hands and his arms, it looks like a cat literally demolished his arms and his hands. And I don't know if it was self-harm scars or what, but there was a lot of them. They were very obvious, very like, were they scarves or were they like fresh cuts.
OK. And one video is him with a suitcase. And he's all you see is the suitcase. And there's like dark fluid leaking out of the suitcase.
And he would play these like old, tiny music over some of them. Like jolly music. Like jolly music. Like, and of course I can't remember.
No, it's OK. If I asked John because he was like, wow, the music. I showed John. I said he was like, the music choices are really good for me.
I love that that's what he got out of me. He was like, this is really creepy. He's like, that's probably human blood. Wow, what a great song.
It's like this is a John T.T. and that he's playing over it. And then there's another one where it's like night vision. And he's covering up something with leaves.
But you can't really tell what's going on. There's no speaking in it whatsoever. And they're quick. They're weird.
There's another one where he is throwing that same suitcase over a weird bridge in the middle of the night. Oh. And yeah. And there's like fluid leaking out of it all over the bridge that looks to be.
OK, and you see his feet briefly. And he's covered his feet in plastic. OK, that's fucked up. And now I have a theory.
And I'm a fucked up individual for this being my theory. What if he like, like, videos a series, like his murder. Like he like murdered somebody. And now he's like cleaning up.
What if that was one person's murder. And now it's wiped clean. And he's going to do a whole other series of videos with another person. Honestly, here's the thing.
Because it's like, there's that. And then there's these weird videos of him like in a weird room and a house. And you can't really see it. It's very weird and very abstract.
Like what is he doing in the room? Nothing. You just see him like filming like a window up in like an attic. And then it just cuts off.
What the fuck? And then there's another one where you see this desk that he's sitting at. And he's flipping through this like notebook where. And it's like this weird TikTok sound playing over it.
Of this girl being like, first draw this. And then draw this. And he's like flipping through this weird ass sketchbook with papers and trash everywhere. Oh my gosh.
It's the scariest thing I've ever seen. Like weird like swampy water. Yeah. And then another video I saw was him in the woods.
And he's filming a train going by. Oh fuck that. And then he pans over to what is clearly a body under a sheet. No.
Or something that looks like a body in a sheet. And there's like clothing next to it. Oh. And then it just cut off.
And then it's, and now I look today. And it's everything's gone. OK, number one, here's my big problem with you right now. I'm actually angry with you.
We constantly send each other TikToks. Why did you send me this? You know why? Because last night I was looking through it and I was like, whoa, what is this?
And then I showed John. And then I fell asleep. Cool. I love that you fell asleep after that.
And also, I have another theory. I have a theory too. OK, maybe he's just like a super creative dude. And he's like doing it for the Graham Lord of cool.
Here's my I have several theories about this one. It could be an interactive game. Yes. That people are supposed to be looking for hints.
Maybe there's a chat room somewhere where everybody's talking about it. And it's like a Hunt a Killer game in real life. I was going to say it's Hunt a Killer via TikTok. By the way, go get Hunt a Killer.
They're awesome. But for real, maybe it could be that too. It could be some weird art thing that they think is. I mean, I don't know why they're doing that.
Because you look in the comments of these. And you could see from the beginning, people were like, oh, this is fake. And then all of a sudden, people were going, oh, no, I think this is real guys. Is someone going to call the police?
People were literally like, did you see his hands? What? And he looks older? This is weird.
Like, is that weird? Because he's older. And he's older. And he's fucking old.
So it just doesn't seem like something a grown-ass adult would do. It seems like a teenager would do. Especially if it was like an art or not real. But then also, there's the possibility.
Wait. I'm like, old people don't like to play games. Of course not. Sorry.
He might be probably 40. What's the possibility? So then there's the possibility, because as we remember, kids did find suitcases with dead body parts on TikTok. Yeah, on TikTok.
So shit happens. That's weird. Yeah. Maybe this is the next step that killers are taking.
TikTok? Using TikTok to film their shit and then scrubbing it clean. But here's my issue. Nothing has ever scrubbed clean.
But maybe they don't care. Because if you look at the hashtags do, that's the other big part of this. He used a ton of hashtags. And they were always like, very manic.
And very like, don't look at me. I can't stop. Please help. Oh, fuck.
Oh my god. I have like spinal chills. They were very, very manic and very alarming. And it seemed like someone reaching out.
So I was almost like, is he doing these things? And he's like, help me stop. Now I'm having like a panic attack on air. And maybe he started this shit because he wants someone to find him to stop.
I'm just saying, it's like the, oh my god, the crybaby killer. Yes. Like for God's sake, when somebody gonna come stop me. Oh, oh.
And if it's not, then I mean, no, my arm. I'm gonna make a movie about this. Yeah, my fucking goosebumps right now. Because it's truly crazy.
And I just wanted to see if any of our listeners had seen this. Or if you had, you know, obviously it could be either thing. Yeah. I would never, I would love to say that it's very far fetched that it's real.
But it's really not that far fetched anymore. The way the world is, who the fuck really knows? Nothing in 2020 is far fetched. But holy shit, if it's not real, kudos.
Because you did a good job. You scared the nation. It was immaculate the way they did it. Wow.
Just enough information, never overstepping to the point where you're like, oh, that's fake. That's too much. Like it was always to the point where you're like, that could be real. Right.
Because he never gave too much. Right. It's just weird shit. Weird environments.
Very dark. Very disturbing. So I don't know if Eden knows about this. Oh yeah, we should ask.
Or enough you know, I gotta ask him. Seriously. Shout out to Eden. Hi Eden.
What's up? What's up? What's up Eden? What's up Eden?
Oh my god. Wow. I had to talk about that because. Damn.
And this is going to, I mean, this case is like very terrifying. But like, that's, wow. Wow. Yeah.
So we really set you up for some more. Yeah, you sure did. All right, wow. Yeah.
Shit. It's a lot to digest. And I'm sad. I can't believe I just looked at it.
It's gone. I'm sad that it's gone, but also grateful that I never had to see it. I'm pretty excited that I did see it. I'm pretty angry with you right now.
I mean, we'll see if later when there's an IG discovery story about this that I can be like, I remember that I was watching. Yeah. And I could have remembered it except I showed you TikTok. You did.
I showed it to you. I showed you. I created you. I think I also thought in my head I really want to show her this in person because I like to show you things that are very exciting in person.
That is true. You know. Thanks, MUB. You're welcome.
Oh, man. All right. Well, should we get into it? We should get into it.
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So it's the morning of May 26, 1990. It is right now. No, back then. And Marlene Warren opened the front door of her Florida home to someone who was dressed as a clown.
And this clown had flowers and balloons. Shut that door. Yeah, fuck that. Literally you see a clown and I'm like, I'm out.
And before Marlene saw what else the clown was holding, she was handed the flowers and the balloons. And she made a comment about how pretty they were. And literally next thing she knew, she was shot in the face. Oh, yes.
OK. Isn't that the scariest thing ever? I mean, to me, the scariest thing ever is anybody coming to my door? Yeah.
Never mind a clown. Nope. Who also shoots me in the face. In the face.
In the face. So the saddest thing is she thought that all these gifts might have been from her husband, Mike, because they had been having some serious problems lately. Nothing super crazy. They were just arguing here and there.
They owned a few businesses together. So I'm sure that added to the stress exactly. They owned a car business. They owned rental properties together.
And Mike himself owned some resources. And they were doing really well for themselves. They lived in a super expensive neighborhood in Wellington, Florida called the Arrow Club. The Arrow Club.
And it was called the Arrow Club because there's a runway that runs through the back of it. And literally people have pads where they land their planes. Oh. So you can just fly your private plane home.
Oh, so very middle America. Yeah, just like super wholesome. Yeah. What the hell?
So they had been married for like 20 years. And Mike was a great stepdad by all accounts because Marlene was married once before. She was like super, super young when she got married to this guy named John Arrens. And the reason they got married super young is because Marlene's stepdad was in the Air Force.
And she would have had to move to Europe if she had still lived with them. So she just got married to her boyfriend, I think. Which doesn't always work. And it's like that.
And I couldn't find anything to say it was super tumultuous or anything like that. It's just when you're forced into it kind of. It's like, we're here. So they had two sons together, Johnny and Joe.
And this is really sad. Johnny had unfortunately passed away two years before the clown knocked on the door. He was in like a really horrific fatal car accident. Oh, that's so sad.
So it was just Joe left. So Joe said that he remembered his mom opening the door that morning after a white Chrysler LeBaron pulled up in the driveway. And he said his mom took the flowers in the balloon. She said, oh my, oh, how pretty.
And he thought then he heard a balloon popping. But he realized that the clown had pulled out a pistol and shot his mother directly in the face. What the fuck? Like point blank range.
That's terrifying. Oh shit. Like what? So she fell to the floor.
And there was people over for breakfast that morning. Joe had his friends over for breakfast. Oh my goodness. Yeah.
So oh my god. So she falls to the floor and everyone comes rushing to her side. And Joe tried to chase after the clown to get the clown to stop. But he had just gotten some kind of accident.
And he broke his leg. So he was in like a super bulky like cast. And this is the creepiest fucking part. Like everybody who was there that morning said that the clown like calmly walked away after shooting right?
Like Michael Myers style. Like literally just walked back to the wall. Also white Chrysler LeBaron like very recognizable. Oh yeah.
That's a very conspicuous car. So he said he chased after the clown. He tried to chase but obviously his leg is broken. So he can't chase.
And he said the clown turned around and looked at him briefly before continuing just to slowly get in the car and slowly drive away. That's a legitimate nightmare. Like I was watching, there's I'm a 48 hours about it. And I was watching it in the pain in this kid's eyes as he has like PTSD.
Clearly. Oh of course. And he's like a grown adult now obviously. But like you just saw your mother shot in the face.
Right by a clown. Right. And then you tried to chase said clown. And it turns around looks you dead in the face.
And then he gets in a car and drives away casually. All slowly. That's like the scariest part of this whole entire thing. Like you can't even make that up.
No. So Joe and his friend who had been over for breakfast. Like I said, they hop in the car and try to like find the the Lebaran. But they were never able to catch up.
So this clown just fucking disappears into the day. Because this is more than the middle of the day. It was literally 11 o'clock in the morning. Wow.
And it's like what? So they try to catch up. They're not able to. He was able to though give the police a description of the clown.
So the clown had an orange wig. All white and red makeup. A big red clown nose. Yup.
And only brown eyes were showing. He said I know that the clown had brown eyes. Because he looked for him. He or she looked me directly in the eyes.
And it was like a big clown costume. So like I just said he or she. Because he Joe wasn't sure whether it was a man or a woman. Clown is a perfect way to hide that.
And the clown was wearing like regular high top shoes, not clown shoes. Ew. Right? I don't know why that's gross.
I don't either. And I was reading it. And I was like, oh, I need to put that in there. And then I was like, is it weird that I just put that in there?
No, I don't know why that's gross to me. But it adds to the creep. Yeah. Because you're wearing these big ass clown pants with like human shoes.
You know what it fucking reminds me of? Donnie Darko. Yes. When I think the clown in Donnie Darko is wearing regular shoes.
I think you're right. I think Frank is wearing regular shoes. Oh, I don't like it. Yeah, it's a dark vibe.
Yeah, it is. It's a dark vibe. So Marlene was still alive. Oh, good.
Yeah. She was rushed to the hospital. And immediately she was put on life support. Oh, no.
There was a bullet lodged in her spinal cord. And unfortunately, a lot couldn't be done to save her. Tips came into detectives just three hours after Marlene was shot saying to look into her husband and a woman who worked for him. That motherfucker.
And a woman who worked for him. I'm going to fuck her up. Always. And this woman worked at the used car business, bargain motors, and her name was Sheila Keen.
So Sheila was 26. And she had a son of her own from a previous marriage. She did car repossessions for the business. And everybody said that she was the perfect person for the job because she was aggressive, fearless.
And if worse came to worse, Sheila if worse came to worse is what I meant to say. Sheila carried a 38 caliber pistol for protection. Oh, so there you go. Boom, cut and dry, right?
Dunske. Wrong. Whoa. Wrong.
Wow. So it was a gun that her husband and her had owned together previously, but they were now separated, like divorced. And there was a lot of rumors about Sheila being like a don't mess with me type of lady. All those rumors were true, which is a good way to be.
Yeah, of course. But there were also rumors. And this is not a good way to be that she and Mike were having a affair together. Oh fuck her.
Exactly. And fuck him. Some employees even said that they got caught having sex in the office. That's disgusting.
And I'm not one, but multiple occasions. Divorce your wife. Right. It's like, understand that.
What the fuck? I don't either. Holy shit. You can have all the sex you want in the office.
Why don't you divorce your wife? So but here's the problem. A lot of their businesses were in Marlene's name. Oh, exactly.
So that was a problem. So when detectives finally tracked on Mike, he was milled away in a car with some of his friends headed to a race track. So there was literally no way that he would be able to dress like a clown, kill Marlene, clean himself up, and then get dressed and make it look like he was super far on the road. Yeah.
That was just humanly impossible. And there was multiple people in the car to back up the timeline. And I just feel like this worked out perfectly in his favor. It's like, oh, no, I was going to the race track.
I was miles and miles away. It's like very convenient day to be miles and miles away. Of course. So whatever.
Detectives start following up on the tips into Sheila and they start looking into her. So they went to flower shops and grocery stores all around the area trying to narrow down where the balloons or the flowers came from. Oh, yeah. And I didn't think it was really smart.
And they were also calling costume shops to find out about the clown costume. And they called these women, I hope I say the name, right, Barbara, Castercone, and Deborah offered. And they worked at a local costume shop. And they had some interesting information.
So they told detectives that two nights earlier, a woman had come in just as they were closing. And she was super adamant about seeing the clown costumes, which on any day is fucking weird, but especially now. So one of the women was like, oh, can you come back the next day because we're closing right now? We can't show you all of our clown costumes.
Exactly. And Sheila, I mean, the woman. They needed something right then and there. And then whoever it was, Sheila brought about a clown costume separately in Orange Wig, a red nose, and some white makeup.
Wow. So whoever. Whoever. The level of dumb.
Well, I'm like, you're going to buy that distinctive of a costume. I mean, don't go and kill somebody anyway in any kind of costume. No. That costume.
That costume and going to a costume shop. Right. Like not just getting, it just seems like you're really pinpointing your self-care. You're asking for it.
And to ask people about the clown costumes to make another trail. And to be super adamant, you need to be going in the middle of the day when there's a ton of other people there. You need to buy more than one thing. You're a dumbass.
Yeah, you're stupid. I thought we just spelled out for people how to do this in the future. So cool, cool, cool. So the detectives asked the woman to describe the super pushy customer.
And both women described somebody who looked a lot like she looking. Because it was her. Yes. And then they were pretty sure it was her when they were shown a photo lineup.
They pointed her out. And they said they couldn't be 100% sure, but they were very, very short. Pretty sure it's this bitch. Basically, they didn't want to be wrong.
But they were like, yeah. Yeah, because I imagine that must be really difficult to be like, I know it's that person. But what if that tiny little chance not? And I fucked their whole life over.
So you're like, I'm pretty sure it's her. I think so. So luckily, tracking down the balloons turned out to be a lot easier than they thought. Because the two balloons were very distinct balloons.
One of them said, she's real dumb. She's real dumb. And she's terrifying. Because one of these balloons said, you're the greatest.
What the fuck? Isn't that so? First of all, terrifyingly creepy. But also, what?
And then the other one had Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs on it. I hate everything about this. It's like, what the fuck? And I think, I don't know, just to add to the creepiness.
The flowers, I'm pretty sure, were carnations. Oh, yeah. So I hate carnations. I don't like carnations.
I don't like carnations. So in Snow White, I feel like, and sorry for all the Snow White heads out there. But I think Snow White is a really weird ass tale. Oh, I do.
Seven men are just living with this. And she's literally there to clean for them. And then the whole falling into a coma shit. It's just weird.
It's a very weird. I won't let the girls watch it. Really? I'd be able to watch Snow White.
Yeah, it's weird. It's very dark. So that's a weird one to put on a balloon for this. Snow White, creepy, creepy, and you're the greatest creepy, creepy.
So the detectives are able to determine that the balloons were bought at this grocery store called Public Scrusory Store. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Those are still around.
Oh, I have them here. I thought you were kidding. I was like, I thought you were like, oh, yeah. Like, oh, yeah.
No, they're like a real thing. No, I never heard of her. They're not around here, though. No.
So the employees there gave them a similar description to the woman at the costume store, Sheila. And when they looked at the time that the balloons were purchased, it was 922 in the morning. And that was just an hour and a half before the shooting. Jesus.
So she did this that day. Wow. And I love that these people, I imagine they're just like, you know what? She looked like a Sheila.
Yeah, it's weird. I think her name was Sheila. She looked very Sheila-ish. I think she said her name was Sheila.
Yeah, she did. I like I sniffed and I was like, oh, is that Sheila? That's Sheila. That's Sheila.
That's Sheila Stench. She's not Sheila. She's not Sheila. She's an Emmy.
What's that from? You're not Sheila. You're an Emmy. I have no idea.
Well, I don't know. I don't know. I need to somebody tell me. Anyways.
So another Sheila vibe. She only lived half a mile away from the fucking grocery store. Wow, Sheila. I'm like, girl.
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Wow. The detectives obviously did not think that this was coincidence. No, no, me either. Good.
I mean, some would. So I am glad that they didn't. We're not dealing with L. No, we're not.
So they go to Dr. Sheila. And so meanwhile, back at the hospital, Marlene unfortunately was being taken off life support. Oh, Marlene.
I know. Marlene's mother, Shirley, had got a call telling her what was going on while she and Marlene's step-father were like vacationing, visiting their friends in Arizona. And you get a phone call that says your daughter was shot in the face in her home by a fucking clown and is on life support. You would think that was a prank call.
I'd be like, no. Right. That whole thing did not happen. No, you can't put all those things together.
Exactly. So they fly back to Vegas where they lived, and then they got on another plane, and they promptly went to be by Marlene. Marlene's bedside. Marlene's son, Joe, was there.
And this really pissed off Shirley. Mike was there. Because, oh, I would want to fuck that guy up. Oh, yeah.
Well, I do want to fuck that guy up. Oh, I do too. Presently. You're going to want to be in the end as well.
I want to murder him. So Shirley told Peter Van Sant from CBS News that Marlene had recently confided in her that if anything happened to her, Mike did it. That? And it's also like, if you ever have to say that in your life, you got to get out.
Run. So she has far away from it. I'm not blaming anybody. No, of course.
I'm blaming her or anything. But it's just like, please know that if you are ever saying the words, if anything is to happen to me, blame this person that I'm still currently in a relationship with? Get out. So here's the thing.
I think, because I couldn't find a lot about her wanting to leave or anything like that. But I think it was overshadowed by just the craziness in this case. But I think her mom said, please come live with me. And it seems like she might have been planning to go.
So I think she was. It's always too late. But it's also, especially in this case, it's so tough, because they have all these intertwining things that connect to them in business. Businesses, like that fucks you up.
It's always hindsight. Yeah, it just sucks so much. It just sucks so much. So Shirley knew that Mike had an airtight alibi.
But that didn't mean that he wasn't involved. Yeah. You can have an alibi. That's actually even.
I think that's even more perfect. You have an alibi for you. Right. But it doesn't mean that somebody who you have hired to do this or has a chance to do this.
Exactly. So and then we're going to get into this later. But I don't think that Mike had to do much convincing. I don't think this was his plan.
If somebody's willing to do this, I don't think they need a lot of convincing. No, exactly. To me, like somebody who does this was going to do this eventually. Yeah, it's a little bit of a cuckoo nut band, a little bit.
Or woman, more inclusive here. So unfortunately, Maureen was taken off life support two days after the shooting. It's really sad. And the bullet removed from her spinal cord was determined to be from either a 38 caliber pistol.
Oh, that sounds familiar. Yeah, you know, like the one Shirley had. Oh, that one. Yeah.
Oh, my god. Not Shirley. Shirley's the mom. She loved.
She loved. She loved. I'm so sorry. She's a Sheila, not a Shirley.
And they couldn't be sure that it was a 38, because there was also a possibility that it was from a 357. But it was one of the two guns. So that's a red flag. That's a good little piece of something to connect later.
Right. And it made the detectives even hawed around on Sheila's trail, obviously, because she had a 38. So they came knocking at her door. And Sheila told the detectives that the morning of the shooting, she was out doing car repossessions.
But the bummer was that she couldn't remember any of the cars that she had repossessed that day. Oh, that's stinky. I feel like if you have a car repossession job, you're stoked to go out and repossess cars. You know which ones you're looking for.