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EPISODE · May 28, 2026 · 21 MIN

The Bond Market's Wolverine Moment: JPMorgan's CEO Goes Vigilante | Between The Lies 037

from Between the Lies Podcast · host Luke Tatum

So here's an embarrassing confession to kick things off: I host a financial podcast, I've talked about yield curves, I've connected bond markets to recession indicators, I've done the whole thing, and I still couldn't tell you what a bond actually was in plain English. Rob Brayton fixed that real quick. And it turns out, once you understand the basics, the current situation gets way more interesting. What's happening right now is that the bond market is effectively doing the Fed's job for it. Bond yields are climbing, which makes loans more expensive across the board, for businesses, for consumers, for everyone. The bond market isn't asking. It's telling. And even Jamie Dimon is out there warning that rates could go considerably higher from here. Here's the part I love, even though I'm not exactly a Dimon fan: this is market corrective action. Governments don't actually control economies. They warp them. They push prices and rates to places they don't naturally want to be, and eventually something bends back. We're watching that happen in real time. Rob and I also got into what this signals going forward, a potential contraction, yes, but more specifically what he calls the "higher ledge problem." The longer governments and central banks artificially suppress natural market behavior, the bigger the eventual correction. We've had artificially cheap money for so long that a lot of people have forgotten money has a price. That price is interest. Ron Paul said it, it's true, and the bond market apparently agrees. The tech concentration angle is worth watching too. When almost all the real growth in the stock market is sitting in one sector, a tightening environment hits differently than it would in a diversified market. If corporate bond exposure in tech is as deep as we suspect, that's a compounding risk nobody's pricing in. And then, because we always end on something you can actually do, Rob walks through why rising rates are actually a tailwind for properly structured IBC policies. The dividend structures on dividend-paying whole life improve when rates climb. More importantly, the people who are well-capitalized right now are the ones who'll be playing offense when everyone else is scrambling. You want to be that person. Free toolkit at PerfectSpiralCapital.com/podcast. And stay tuned, there's something new coming for those of you who already have a policy and aren't sure what to do with it next.

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