Hey weirdos. I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid and you know that I almost said I was Elena And I know who I am but I do I know exactly who I am and that bitch still that We might be a little punchy it's been a couple weeks here has I mean the whole world is going I mean hats off to all of you and especially let me Elena take a giant 10 gallon hat off for all the teachers out there Because same every single one of you every single one of you Mm-hmm deserves like a billion dollar raise and I hope that all the parents that are dealing with homeschooling their children first of all like elbow bumps Tolly you yeah, we're all in this together. Yeah, it's it's hard. It is being a teacher is not an innate ability I have I wanted to be a teacher like I when I started college before I dropped out I was doing early childhood education and let me tell you I should have been a teacher because she's great at it Thank you very much, but she is I love your children and they're awesome, but teaching is hard It's hard.
So I just wanted to quickly say like teachers are the best if you know a teacher just you know Yeah, give them a smile good morning to teachers and teachers Oh my good morning to all you and that's why we're a little late with these episodes last couple weeks We're just trying to like transition into this yeah because you know preschool was a thing that was supposed to be giving me more time Yeah, thanks And now covid has decided that it's going to give me less time I think we talked about it too much pre-pandemic sure did we would be sitting together planning on episodes and we'd be like Oh my god, like next year's gonna be so great. They're there for like a few days of three hours It was gonna be way more hours than it was the first year of pre-k for three days instead of two Oh, it was gonna be great and then obviously, you know that changed with the rest of the world So yeah, I just want to let you know that's why we've been a little off on the schedule We want to get back on track with it and we will so just hang tight I know a lot of you were like don't worry about it and we appreciate that So thank you for hanging in there and like letting us figure out how to do all the things But guys are the chesticles. Yes, and you guys are a huge priority the show is a huge priority It's just you know, we just got to figure out all the moving parts that are happening right now You guys are like my top two priorities Elena's children and the weirdest and any fit somewhere in there But yeah, so I just wanted to like point that out that that's why we've been a little willy-nilly with these Yeah, but you get an episode on Friday and then you get an episode Saturday this week and then next week We are going to try to get back on that Thursday Saturday is going to be easiest for us to maintain because we also have you know Creme countdown the other things that we're just trying to make sure we have a day for everything So Thursday Saturday is our goal. We are gonna try to do that.
So again, thank you guys so much for hanging in there We really do appreciate your patience. You're awesome. Oh my god I was gonna say to you I SM and then I was like thinking of all the other like how to abbreviate all the other things you said And you're like thank you guys so much for being there We really appreciate you and I was like well, never mind sorry I just got to T YS and that's all it's fine. Well, this is like kind of a mini even though we don't do those anymore But we still leave the music and get into it.
I would like to start this off by giving you a very large trigger warning Yeah, if Necrophilia is not something that you'd like to listen to today that bums you out Which it bums many out bums me out before I was a true crime host. I like when listen episodes like that Oh, really? That's my job. That's interesting.
Yeah, it's a lot to swallow. Sure is and choice of words. Yeah I'm actually horrible choice of words anyways, so yeah If that's not something that you're into like maybe skip this one and back later We'll understand and just trigger warning in general for like the horrible miss of this is a rough case guys But it's one that connects to something else that I think is pretty interesting. Yes, exactly And you know what every everybody's story deserves to be told so exactly without further ado on July 22nd 1995 Elise Marie Pollard was heading to bed Never head to bed.
No, it's not a bed. It usually doesn't end well. No she had hung up with her family that night They'd all watch TV together. They like had a pretty good night And then she was hitting the hay and she yelled out to them.
I love you and go in bed. Oh, so and she's just going to bed Well, as far as her parents knew she went to sleep They didn't know that right after yelling good night to them She turned into her room and packed her bed full of pillows no and then covered those pillows up to make it look like she really wasn't that Bed before she snuck out of her French doors that were in her room for the very last time. Okay, join me parents and all our blood pressures So I'm all painlessly rising. I remember it's so funny I remember being a teenager and like watching movies and being like I want French doors in my room I understand why hello.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, my grandparents So at least was 15 like I said and she had recently hit that kind of like rebellious stage that I personally hit what I was I'm about to reach a little bit before that, but I feel like a lot of times like 15 is kind of age where this kind of face starts to settle in Yeah, you're right before the sweet 16. Yeah, you're starting to your crystal crystal wild in light There you go She started smoking weed and she tried alcohol and she was sneaking out more and more and her parents were really worried And then they got even more worried when they got a call from her school one day And the school explained that she was noticeably under some kind of influence Oh, no, and she was being suspended So the I guess the story was that like she smoked weed and like drinks and alcohol that day before school and then like When school I know I really remember kids doing that though. It's a busy morning You know, you just never know what the day will bring I microwave my coffee like ten times in the morning because I can't even manage to drink that whole thing Yeah, I don't know how I survived being like a child. I never drank before school, but I definitely smoked before school a lot Wow, yeah, it's impressive.
Thanks her parents David Lee sand I heard in some like sources Lisa and but the way it spelled I'm pretty sure it's Lee sand. Oh, okay Lee sand. Oh, he's an her mom They immediately put her these down the great parents because this is what I'm gonna do if my kids do the shit I did what they put her in a substance abuse program right away good And they tried to talk to her about what was going on But it just she was telling them like no like nothing's happening like I'm fine And that's when it's so hard when people are like communication is key and it's like yes But what if they won't communicate with you right? It must be so hard to be honest.
It didn't really seem like much was going on like she was a really good soccer player She was still playing soccer at school She did really well in school her two best friends were like good girls like they weren't known to party or anything like that Like she was like the wild child of the three of them Hmm, so they were like what is going on like why and even her friends were worried about the things that she was starting to get into Wow, so I think she just was thinking it was boring to be good She made a choice, you know, so the next morning David Lee sand realized that Elise was not in her bed And they obviously freaked the fuck out because I got that feeling she had snuck out before and they had caught her But she always came back like she would have never been gone all night into the morning Oh, no So they went to the police and they explained what was going on how were they were the whole deal and the police were obviously concerned Because this is a 15 year old girl, but they definitely ended up treating like this treating this case like more of a runaway I was just kind of saying that I can see why they immediately went to that right right? She's 15 right exactly and I would think of this you said exactly what I was gonna say because I understand why they would think that Because she is starting to do all this crazy stuff, so they're like well You don't like you she's doing all this crazy stuff So who's to say that she wouldn't run away? Yeah, exactly and you're starting now that the parents were starting to you know Actually give consequences and start like putting her Push back on you it's like pushing back on these bad things that would be the time where she'd be like fucking I'm gonna run away exactly right I can kind of see it But I mean her family like they were like maybe that's the case but they didn't really think so they were like no something Sinister has happened to you know your kid well and when especially I think obviously dads too But I think especially moms yeah have that gut feeling when something is wrong. Yeah, and you know what I think dads get it too I do too.
Yeah, but my hat on that one really bite my hat dad's get it too mama's and dadas know yeah They did especially if you're close with your kid like they seemed like they had a good family Dynamic it's always like if you're close with your kid You know your kid right and there was the other thing that they were kind of like pointing towards was that there was a lot of exciting things going on At least his life like like I said she was playing soccer She had friends at school But also they were planning to move to a new town and Elise was particularly really excited because she was sick of they lived in a royal Grande. Oh great. I say that right. Yeah, okay.
Okay, grande for a good. Yeah, exactly So they were moving because I think they're moving for like a couple different reasons But one of the big reasons was like they were like let's get her in a different school system Yeah, let's try this somewhere else right. Let's give this another go and she was excited She was like getting bored of where she lived and she was like cool like let's do it And she was pretty social and like a free spirit So she wasn't worried about moving and making new friends or anything like that It sounds like she that wasn't a problem for her You know and she was also the oldest of four kids and she was really close with her siblings So they were like she wouldn't have ran away from and left her siblings and like not told to them or something like that And even though she did think that her parents were overreacting to her recent extracurricular activities She again was close with her parents too and didn't really have a reason to run away. Yeah So of course a missing 15 year old girl from California had everybody talking of course and like coming up with different theories and yada yada yada yada And soon all these tips started to fly in and a lot of people were calling like specifically giving this tip that they saw Elise and South San Luis abispo.
Did I say that? Yeah, I think you said that well sounds good to me. Everybody was saying that We're from Massachusetts. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Everything is hard. You guys got crazy names for your town. So we smell Worcester exactly We all got crazy names. Yeah, exactly.
So everyone was saying that they saw her and San Luis abispo and Search is they would do searches out there and nothing would turn out like they were like if she's here She's doing a damn good job of hiding out so that like nothing was going on But the sad thing is that it was giving the family a ton of hope that she really was still out there And they're like okay, so maybe she did run away like people are seeing her all these people are calling saying they saw her and it's like Like which is shitty because all those people that called and said they saw her did not actually see her And I'm sure maybe it was a mistake of like a look alike But I'm sure like maybe be sure maybe like maybe just if you're gonna call it a tip to the police Maybe be sure take a beat. Yeah, definitely just go was that someone or was it just a girl with blonde hair Like maybe say cross your teeth and dot your eyes. Yeah, really cross those teeth Yeah, like maybe engrave them into a stone card It's really there, you know and this is sad her grandmother who she was named after so grandma Elise was Sent out a plea directly to granddaughter Elise and said please come home Like we can figure everything out while we figure things out like about why you left and like what's happened Like you can stay with me until everything's figured out like just come home. Oh, they like pain So so sad like enveloped my soul for them.
I know that's just so so weeks and months went by and there was absolutely No sign of Elise other than these stupid tips. So then almost nine months later Nine months of nine months of nine months this teenager walks into the police station his name's Royce Casey And he confesses to Elise's murder. Damn just walks in the five months later Nine months later walks straight into the police station and tells them everything that had happened exactly where she was He ended up eventually leading them to her body and he told them all about the other two teens that he committed this horrific crime with What kind of like grand spirit came to him and was like you put a fat motherfucker? He found religion Yeah, I was gonna say something he found something he found religion and he got real scared damn And we're gonna get into why he was so fucking scared damn So these two other teens that he murdered Elise with were Jacob D'Lashmatte I think is how you say it and Joseph Fiorella.
He's a dick so doesn't matter what it's all through The last name is Joseph Dickhead. Yes. Yeah, did it month did it month? There you go So the three of them were known in the area as like just like dicks and like burnouts basically Okay, like I always think of mean girls when I say that yeah, she goes through like the lunch tables They would be at the burnouts.
What you would think like the burnouts. They're usually just like very chill and nice Well, they were they were a little more than these three. I was gonna say these three must have been there also like on meth Okay, so they're not just like stoners like no no no they're they bring stoner to a different level Yeah, they really I'm gonna tell you all about it. They were professional professional They did actually a different kind of business card.
Oh shit, so they stopped going to school a long time ago So they actually weren't sitting at any lunch table to be shocked and they regularly did drugs like speed. Oh acid very young acid very young Yeah, meth and even enjoyed the occasional sniff of glue. Oh, just the occasional sniff I need to know how people if you've ever sniffed glue I need to know like why how how what happens? Like I feel like my eyes and head hurt like just thinking about it I want to know if you whip out the Elmer's glue if you take off the cap and like you just sit there and Sniffing glue is or do you like heat it up or is that just code for something out like is sniffing glue?
Like do you heat it up and get the fumes that way because I feel like it's sniffing glue But it's like get kindergartners would be fucked up constantly We might want to go check on the girls if they're doing it I'm gonna say this like you know a whole class of pre-k kids that are just like are like the girl ration out over here and like Billy Madison when the teachers just Like rubbing the glue on herself like she's sniffing glue Well, and all of us dipped our fingers and Elmer's glue and then let it dry So the background still do it off and feel that sensation that you will never feel and for anything else in your life People on TikTok are doing that to their faces. I mean, okay, and I kind of wanted to I mean get it I guess but like that seems dangerous if you're thinking of glue that way But I have to imagine you keep in order to break down all the things you need to break down to get the fumes You would need for this you would have to heat it up You know how like recently you started having to show your idea if you got like an equal or something like that Happened like in recent years. Yeah, what if you had to start showing your idea to get Elmer's glue? You're like I have a school project and I'm 16 16 You might like you might heat it up.
Well, let us know because we really don't know no and I'm genuinely curious and it's honestly not Something I feel like I have time to look up because it's just my significant I thought you were gonna say it's honestly not something that like I'm at this point in my life gonna try No, it's not but I'm not gonna look it up. So if somebody That would be great. I'll look up so much other things, but I'm not looking up how you sniff glue so much on that So many other things not so I don't I have a lot of fuck up shit on my Google I don't need to add I already have the FBI probably like sitting there watching my shit already I don't need to add I don't need to stop that glory at Glargit. Talk it next time I want to do it Yeah, I don't need to add how to have glue so that's you just to get back into it in case you forgot cuz sometimes people forget when we digress They did drugs like speed acid meth occasionally sniffing glue and they also smoked weed which it's like why don't you just do that?
It's fun enough as is and they drink a ton. Okay, so the brain is depleting Yeah, there's oh, and I also think they did coke which like all right. Yeah, it's holes in the brain Wow precious few neurons up in there It's a neuron graveyard in there our IP Wow, and they were also known to hang out at this old drainage pipe called the pipe of death That sounds awesome And it's actually really sad because it was called the pipe of death because a kid had actually died there earlier He like I think he fell to his death What the fuck and they like to hang out there because everything about this is just horrible. Yeah, are you ready for this?
No, so Joe Fierella was the youngest one in the group at 14 years old He was 14 at the time that at least disappeared here straight up Jacob Didu-Shenut was 15 children and Royce Casey the one who turned himself in at the time that this happened was 16 years old children Like what the fuck you're all like freshman to juniors in high school That's crazy. We're going to shit that they were doing yeah, you add on top of it murder. Well, yeah They're frontal lobes probably just never fucking fused. Oh, they're frontal lobes pieced out a long time ago They dipped cuz your friend's a little is not even developed until you're 25 They're frontal lobe just like in it just like concat caved in on itself.
It's not doing this So it's nuts to me. So like I said, Joe Fierella is the youngest in the group at 14 and he's the ringleader Oh, wow now all of them had recently become interested in Satanism And I just want to say before I get into any of this that this is like whatever they did as to like worship Satan Yeah, like they're like bastardized version of what they saw as a type of religion We have talked about it before but just in case you're new here Satanism sounds cool as hell otherwise in the real version of it Where they don't actually worship Satan. Yeah, but I don't want to like offend any actual like Which I think people listening if you've listened to us before you know how we have we have distinguished between yes People's perceptions of it and how some people take it to a dark place. Yes the real what it actually is But I just want to say that yeah, so they'd recently become interested in Satanism and they were all members of the church of Satan like according to themselves Okay, in fact hard-carrying members.
Well, you would yes, you would talk about it's really funny I do that's my next sentence. They had all talked I didn't write card-carrying members, but they had all ordered cards on the internet for a hundred bucks apiece to prove their legions Wowzer, all right because I don't know if that's like what you do But that's what I'm not sure if questions for some reason they could whip it out and be like I hail Satan Yeah, it's like excuse me. I am a member of the church of Satan Yes, and what I did write was weird flex, but okay very weird flex That's probably in all of my scripts at some point just weird flex but okay Because that's kind of like that just that honestly should be like one of the mottos of this podcast is like all these cases are usually a One-pointer another weird flex, but okay, but okay or sometimes weird flex not okay not okay There was also another site that they like to go to called male meldica. I think it's how you say it meldica.
Yeah, mal-maldicta That's probably too much emphasis on the dick Anyways, they ordered a knife there that they would decide to commit the perfect sacrifice of a virgin with oh, that's yeah Okay, that's what I ordered. That's why I got my fucking queasen art set I ordered them to make a better mince Yeah, when I cut garlic or onion, but do you or or the basil or the basil the beel But you do you I'm like it purposely giggling because it's a very uncomfortable case So we're just making jokes to make ourselves not don't I hate every part of this yeah It's terrible so the sacrifice of a virgin was something that all three of them had been obsessed lately with talking about and They would talk about it so often like it had already happened that like people around them started to be like I think they like killed a virgin Like they really kill a virgin like it was like talking the town But everybody's like they didn't actually kill a virgin and they have their children But Joe was really obsessed with the idea like a lot more so than anybody else it seems I also wonder if they were virgins themselves and I like if one of them suggested like can't we just kill one of you two So I was a little later I'd be like let's just kill one of you two well so I have that question later okay good I'm glad it comes back in a great way. Oh good. Yeah, I love this Joe was obsessed with it I'm assuming he was a virgin because like he looks like a little shit and he was 14 so I don't know whatever He started reading a lot of Alistair Crowley books.
Oh, okay, you know that guy that this is very cliche all of us Yes, I was thinking of like I was actually thinking of Damien I guess he was interested in like reading all of the different things exactly And he this is when I stopped thinking about Damien Knuckles because I know this didn't happen But he Joe did this ritual all the time and I think it's from one of Alistair Crowley's books apparently where you catch a frog And you crucify it like Jesus was crucified to the cross. Oh crucified the frog like that and then you cook it and you eat it Oh Yes Okay And then after you eat it you're supposed to feel the effects of the great spiritual power that it leaves coursing through your blood and veins and Everywhere from the frog. Yeah, it's it's I mean frog legs are a delicacy. I don't really know why it doesn't make sense to you Yeah, I know I'm very I'm just that's not even a weird floss I'm not off that level.
I suppose I'm definitely not about however So he was doing this a ton like he was frog catching left and right crucifying cooking and eating and yeah I couldn't find anything really about where their parents were because that's it. Yeah, that's I was like so wait Yeah, first of all, we don't know crucifying these frogs like these several just you have many crosses on which to crucify tiny frogs I don't know and then where is he cooking them? Is he cooking them on a little stove that he's made outside or on a fire? I just don't know how do you does he have a meat thermometer because I feel like there's a lot of you know Maybe you just charge them.
I feel like it'd be really hard to do that for food poisoning here And then you're just throwing up the great spirit I think that when you decide to eat a frog I think that you just like cross off the part where you're worried about getting poisoned But if you have to you're supposed to be you know absorbing the great spirit if you're vomiting up the great spirit Maybe that's why we eat so many of them. Yeah, maybe he was just trying But it's like just you could have got to meet them on well And maybe that's why he decided that he wanted more power and that's one of the reasons that he decided to sacrifice an actual virgin Big jump. I don't know Like I said, he wanted more power and actually one of the reasons that he wanted more power was because it was gonna make their band a lot better Yeah, yeah, I said yeah, I see that. Yeah, I can see those things connecting.
I see it of course Yeah, how are coursing through you your bands gonna get better more, you know wattage for your amps? I get it I think they thought so I got it and I meant to tell you this case is actually like what Jennifer's body was like loosely inspired by That's one of my like that's a crazy crazy thing about this case. I have no idea Yeah, I did not I read briefly that Jennifer's body was based off of some case here It is I always thought it was based off of you know a murder But like not the not actually a band looking for more power by sacrificing a sacrificing a virgin Yeah, not the motive. I didn't think the motive was there I thought that was somebody a writer's brain was not was not was not was a pre-chained brain So that's why they wanted to get the power to make the band better So the three of them and actually this other kid Travis Williams they were all and been he was like into all the stuff They were doing they were in a band together called hatred.
Oh my god because they hated everyone except Satan we are hatred And this is hatred. Oh Actually, I taste blood. No, I don't I don't I'm kidding. It's uh, so their music that they were doing was modeled after Slayer Oh, okay, and if you're like if you don't know what that is It's an American heavy metal band and they have some wild lyrics which most like heavy metal bands do Yeah, it's just like part of metal I mean look at we talked about the Smiths a few weeks ago.
They literally wrote a song about like the dead children I mean, I'm not metal, but like you know what I'm saying like that happens with music. Yeah, it's like I always hate when it's like Which I'm sure you'll talk about yeah, we're gonna do it So joke up telling them all that if they sacrifice a real virgin instead of all these frogs that they would become Unstoppable and get hella famous because Especially their guitar playing was gonna get so much better. We all know how you know frogs and guitar playing just they go hand in hand Well, no, they don't that's why they needed to do the real virgin Oh, I forgot you need the virgin yes I forgot about that because the frogs were only gonna do so much for the guitar playing So it sounds like the frogs were just gonna add to maybe like the wattage of their amps a little bit Yes, but the virgin was really they thought that they were it was gonna bring them to like levels of actual thing Yeah, virgins are known for their guitar playing. Yes, I suppose yeah So this is what they have to do They had to find the perfect virgin with blonde hair and blue eyes.
I'm good. I'm good Brown eyes and apparently that was preferable like the blonde hair blue eyes thing and Joe already had a perfect candidate in mind He was like obsessed with Elise like obsessed and she would be quote He said the ultimate sin against God and get them their quote ticket to hell hate all of it because they want to go to hell Of course they need to meet a very metal. Yeah, like that's where they're gonna perform So Jacob to do she not that says new to do actually new Elise from the substance abuse class He had to go and say one and they met there and they like I don't know if they talked there or if they just like became acquainted But they also like saw each other at school when did you not decided to go? And I also read in some sources, but not all that they rode the school bus together Oh, okay, but I know that they weren't really going to school like Jacob and his crew So I don't know like so like I said they weren't friends But they knew of each other and they had talked on a couple occasions and like obviously that was gonna have to change They were gonna have to talk if they were gonna get more acquainted.
So Jacob knew Obviously after attending these substance abuse classes that Elise liked to smoke weed Okay, he at least knew that about her Yeah, and I guess she had somewhat of a reputation for hanging out with older guys who would like smoke her up for free Which like I feel like most 15 year olds who are rebellious also have their reputation same So that's what he told you I don't know anything about that So that's what he told you he was like I can figure out how to get her with us and next to Satanism Slayer and in saying guitar powers at least became his new obsession Oh, no Joe's new obsession and you would think that they're doing this all like version thing and they need the perfect version and blue Blonde hair blue eyes and it's like you think she wouldn't be the perfect because she's like naughty literally I was doing my hair this morning and I was thinking that and I was like She's into like some of the stuff that you guys are into which is like bad and she's like, you know, yeah By and it's like wouldn't you get like a very pure version like somebody who's some church going to like a goody goody goody too Right, exactly. That's what I mean preferably don't get anybody But I'm just saying exactly seem to be not really adhering to their own yet And I have my thoughts as to why they think yeah, and I think most people do yeah So like I said they had to become more friendly with her So they started talking to her more and more and they offered her some pot and she accepted and she went to smoke with them At the pipe of death So she started hanging out there with them I guess like every now and then and when they were around her they plotted and planned ways to kill her and sacrifice her body to the Devil Wow, so they would hang out with her and then they get finished hanging out with her like whatever leave And then they would go talk about like how they were gonna kill her like these kids were that's horrifying I'm like we need to bond with her before we viciously murder her and sacrifice her to Satan Right, and they had tried at one point earlier to kill her I read two different accounts on how this all went down so it both involved in a basement I read that the first one is that Travis Williams that kid who they sometimes hung out with he pretended to have fallen down into the Embankment but he was holding a knife and they ran to see if Elise would go help and she went down and saw Travis holding the Knife and the three other boys started yelling do it do it do it Then he like froze and couldn't do it Thank God, but the other story says that they pushed Elise down in embankment and it was near her house So her mom happened to be walking by and heard the whole commotion and then when she asked Elise like what the fuck was that All about Elise was just like oh like those boys just like to mess with me like it's nothing. Oh, I hate I hate all of it So I feel I feel like it was probably the first one Yeah, because they had been plotting this for a long time Yeah, and I think Travis was involved at that point and I think that when she had gone missing her mom Probably would have said something about these boys for sure. Yeah, they were bothering her very right and then they pushed her down In banking pushing down an embankment also doesn't seem like a sacrificing of origin kind of death No, the knife seems like it has to be involved here exactly if they're really like pretending to be like sacrificial and like ceremonial I know I agree completely yeah But on a Lisa side I honestly think that she just thought that they were all becoming friends and she liked a sense of rebellion around the whole thing Because you think when like the cool bad kids like invite you to hang out your like oh shit like your part Yeah, sometimes being bad is fun when you're younger.
Yeah, and it's just anytime you're accepted into anything Right, you think it's cool when you're younger and these boys were outcasts like and I think she kind of like she liked anybody Like she would hang out with anybody, but I also think because she was in her rebellious stage And she was just a super trusting person in general after she disappeared her dad said about her quote Elise was very trusting that was the root of the problem She never thought there could be anything wrong with anybody. Oh, which is just that makes me sad I just think of her so just the day before she went missing Elise was hanging out with her friends at another friend's house with a bunch of people like I was party yeah, it didn't hang out with friends There were a lot of people there. It was music. Yeah, okay.
It sounds like a part of music lots of music And Jacob to do she not was there and he told her that he had just got some like wicked good weed chronic and he got some acid and That he would do it with her if she wanted and she apparently agreed and they exchanged I know in the exchange numbers So the next night he called her two times to invite her out and he told her where to meet and that was the same night that she told Her parents good night. I love you and packed her bed with the pillows. No her parents remember these phone calls She got two phone calls she hung out for a little tiny bit longer and then she went to bed Isn't that just like this like a turnaround said I love you good night packed her packed her bed with the pillows and left her house for the very Last time no that like destroys me in this whole time her parents think that she's gone to Just going to bed or in for like the eight months afterwards thought that maybe maybe maybe she was a runaway This is our I mean this is gonna make me even crazier with the girls because I'm already there for I go into their room multiple times The night yeah, I think that's just like what you do is just total paranoia I'm gonna never gonna sleep because I'm just gonna be like constantly stop I am constantly leaning over them just being like you're so beautiful or like whenever I babysit I like constantly go up there and like hold my finger under the nose especially when they babies yeah So at least I had it out to meet with the three boys together They all smoked in some sources I read that they dropped acid But another sources it didn't say that so okay I can only confirm that they smoked together and then the guy suggested going to this eucalyptus fields to folk to smoke some more and just like hang out And also I feel like that sounds like so fun if you were at that's actually all that was gonna happen Yeah, but this field just smoke like that's cool. It does it sounds cool But it wasn't oh and if you're wondering where Travis Williams was on that night He actually couldn't make it because he had just been arrested for shooting an elderly woman.
Oh, yeah So that's where he was that I in jail for shooting a fucking elderly woman here I was thinking Travis not being able to do the like thing with the knife in the embankment I was like oh so Travis is the one that's like oh I have a conch that's why I put that in there Yeah, no, he was he holy shit. He didn't panic. I guess when it came to the elderly Wow. Yeah So I said these kids are fucking assholes.
It's insane. I guess water she gets seeks its own level. It does wow So anyway when they all got there They were just like hanging out just probably like passing around a joint or whatever And then suddenly one of the boys pulled Elise by her hair to her feet and knocked her down on her back And if you've stuck around this long and you're like kind of like maybe not feeling this This is probably the time for you to go. I love you so much.
Have a good night So they grab her by her hair pull her to her feet and then push her back down onto her back now Jacob takes off his belt and wraps it Around her and begins to strangle her with it while Royce Casey held her down and then Jofi Arela was the first to stab her with the knife Directly into her throat. Oh Stabbed her directly into her throat. Oh my god Then the three of them took turns passing the knife around and stabbing her in the throat. Oh my god Just like continued to stab her Royce Casey later told the police that this is so sad she continually called out for her mom Which ruins me and she prayed to God the whole time like please make this stop Oh my god, oh my god Meanwhile she's a little fucking way right now.
You go lip disfield like there's like they're probably middle of nowhere alone with these Daimans with these actual demons from holy shit It's not even one call the demons from hell cuz that's what they wanted to be yeah exactly Oh my god, and then this is really fucking horrible when they felt like she wasn't dying quickly enough. They stomped on her neck I I'm wow and then wow big time trigger warning when they were finally sure that she was dead they defiled her corpse Of course they did yeah, and there's evidence to suggest that they actually came back on multiple occasions to continue to do so What's the fuck yeah, so they they like bunty. I was just gonna say what do you got like wild they buntyed it? Oh, so Royce Casey fucked.
Oh, it's her. It's so beyond fucked Yeah, so Royce Casey and the ones after killing Elise stopped hanging out with Jacob and Joe and found religion because if you're ever Gonna find religion you should probably do it after you murder somebody brutal What a great time to find it yeah, of course when you need to be just forgiven of everything I mean it probably had a lot to do with his guilty house conscience Yeah, I would suppose so and he apparently he said he was having visions of Elise and Elise flashbacks good And I guess I'll say at the end or I'll put in the show I can't remember the book that I read but he the day that he confessed he saw like a missing poster of Elise And that's when he like really decided to go to Ali's which I hope Elise was haunting the motherfucking shit I actually just got chills and I think she was I hope she was and I'm glad that she was yeah I would I hope she fucking destroyed him so not only was that fucking him up But he was also worried that Joe and Jacob might actually come for him next yeah if they're willing to do that because I'm assuming if he was so worried that they were coming from him before him that he was virgin Oh, there you go And you know how they love to band Slayer I guess there's a line in one of Slayer songs that says you're either with us or against us and like they took like these kids took slayers like Lyrics that are supposed to be like art and like I guess fun. Yeah, it's like they just took them to the end It's a persona right like these metal bands have a persona like comedians have a persona Exactly like you don't anybody who actually is like wow that's who they are as people. It's like no all right sit down They'd be in jail sit down.
We gotta we gotta teach you some things right So but he knew how serious they took it and he was like oh fuck like I gotta do something about this I don't know what took him so long that I'm like you know at the end of that night It should have been pretty clear like they're pretty willing to do anything and they bonded with this girl Yeah, they're willing to do it so you think you're any different no you're not and you're being led by a fucking 14 year old You have a lot of you have a long list of worries. We got everything a lot So it was March 13th 1996 when he actually went to the police to tell them everything like I said He led them to Elise's body that had been in the eucalyptus field for more than eight months now eight months She obviously was very badly decomposed But a forensic pathologist was able to able to determine excuse me that none of her wounds were fatal and she actually died from bleeding out Yeah, that is horrific stabbed 12 times strangled stomped on her neck and then defiled her corpse So they raped her and she was still alive probably dying dying they raped her dying body and then raped her corpse Not that well yeah horrific. That's a lot to handle. It really is a lot deep breath every collective deep breath a lot So Jacob D'Lashmont and Joe Fierrilla were arrested like right after voice had been interrogated and they all admitted like pretty much right away Like yeah, we did this and we had been planning this for a while.
What the fuck? I think they wanted to be like yeah We're like Satan is so scared. It doesn't matter cuz we're gonna hail any demons like okay fuck up Joe admitted to that he was the one who had the idea in the first place and he really wanted to align himself And he wanted like his bros to be aligned with Satan But he said everyone was equally willing and ready to do this wow and that's true actually because Rose Casey I feel like sometimes like when people listen they're like well at least he like turned himself in Yeah, it's like no no because this was in his diary. Oh no.
Oh god. I'm fighting on the other side now I'm gonna do your best. I'm fighting on the other side now allied with the jerken souls Satan's raised and shall conquer and reign in the Bible It says that in the end Lucifer will bring out his best in everything music love murder All the psychocerial killers and rapists didn't know that if they actually just build an altar of sacrifice and kill the person on the altar and then have repeated sex with the curbs virgin meat is the ultimate sacrifice Yeah, yikes if all this of all the serial killers just knew that you just had to make an offer and then defile the corpse if all of them Just it you know what these literal infant children. I let they knew that they know it Why the fact didn't anybody else know it what they've discovered it what so they were tried very quickly and wow sentenced good And we're gonna talk about at least his grandma Elise at the trial.
I love this woman Elise Walter said I wish I had known what they were planning. I would have rung their scrawny little necks Oh my god. Yes, so all three of them were sentenced to 25 years to life in prison and they all went to different detention centers around California So they couldn't bro it out. They couldn't bro it up They do have chances for parole though Which is like fucked up and actually one of them recently had a chance at parole in 2020 But I don't know I couldn't find anything extra on like afterwards But I wonder if covid had anything to do with like positive.
Oh, so all right well, there's something That's all right into California that we don't want them let out. Yeah, fuck that like you should have no possibility of all But I think it was because they were so young of course even though people did push for them to be tried as adults That's a pretty adult crime that they did certainly is Elise's family was not just happy with the killers in prison though And you know what their parents so we could we're gonna say what we think about like this whole thing But at the end of the day these are her parents and I don't blame them for anything They did absolutely not so at the trial all three of the kids talked about how the music heavily influenced them probably blame insanity or some Sure, yeah, that's we're just pass the book on Slayer or if it inspired you that much then you are a weak-minded person Oh, just wait, so specifically slayer music. So of course I know this parents actually filed two lawsuits against them One was against the band itself and their record label for unlawfully marketing and distributing harmful and obscene products to minors And the specific lyrics that they pointed out. I'm just gonna read a quick expert excerpt Errotic sensations tingle my spine a dead body lying next to mine smooth blue black lips I start salivating as we kiss mine forever the sweet death.
I cannot forget your soft breaths panting excitedly with my hands around your neck I love you. I love you how I love to kill you. I mean, okay, so it's definitely fucked up But here's the thing it's again. I don't blame the parents for whatever they wanted to do after this because I can't even I would probably do the same thing But I would more be concentrating on the parents of the kids because it's not slayers fault that they bought their album It's the kids the parents fault that they're listening to the album.
Yes, well cuz slayer has no responsibility to parent kids They took they took that route to because there's two different lawsuits Lisa's father told the LA Times Slayer and others in the industry have developed sophisticated strategies to sell death metal music to adolescent boys They don't care whether the violent misogynistic messages and these lyrics cause children to do harmful things They couldn't care less about what their fans did to our daughter all they care about his money Okay, which you know, not super fair, but I it's like it's horrible what happened to their daughter So yeah, and that's all I would be gonna hire ups in the music business. I'll do care about his money So it's like yeah, you are you are talking the truth, right? So slayers drummer responded by saying they're trying to blame the whole thing on us that's such nonsense if you're gonna do something stupid Like that you should get in trouble for it true, which I agree with that. Yeah, I can agree with that Both lawsuits against the band were thrown out because they were protected by the First Amendment.
Yeah, there's it's free speech There's not much again. They didn't incite Right, these kids wanted to do this exactly the first judge was a little rude about his decision He was like and this is a quote where you draw the line you might as well start looking through the library at every book on the shelf It's like well, I would for reasons why my daughter was murdered. Yeah, it's like is that is that correct? Kind of yeah, it's like you don't need to say it goes with saying yeah, it goes without saying It's like you don't need to say it to grieving parents.
No these parents I could not fathom know what they're going through and then the second judge said Slayer lyrics are repulsive and profane But they do not direct or instruct listeners to commit the acts that resulted in the vicious torture murder of Elise Pauler exactly And that is true the final words from deduce nut de la de la schma and Jofi Arela De la schma told them Washington Post at least was murdered because Jofi Arela was obsessed with her and obsessed with killing her and I read this article that was like yeah, and he probably just wanted to have sex with her and that was the only way he knew how did they have sex? No, no, he raped her, but that's exactly what it was He didn't get it consentually, so he was gonna take it exactly and it's like I just can't there also Also, we are fucking repulsive. Oh, just wait until I post their damn photo and you it's scary as you look at Joe Fierrell And he looks like a fucking baby he does and not a very ugly baby, you know Like one of like overcooked yeah, but he was the fucking ringleader and you look at him and you're like what you what you are Listening to this little fetus baby face idiot. What is wrong with you?
So baby face idiot himself said to entertainment weekly. It's almost embarrassing that I was so influenced by the music It started to influence the way I looked at things. It's almost a bit not quite It's not quite embarrassing that I was so influenced by the music like who I want it I wish I and I don't know what the follow-up question was but I hope it was but it is really fucking embarrassing that you murdered someone right And defiled at corpse right like I'm ashamed of that because this kid say he's literally like who I was so close to being embarrassed there For a second but like about the music just came close. Oh, what about the girl whose life you took?
Yeah, no, we're not even thinking about that. No, I just I don't want to think of music as influencing me No, and he has gone back and forth for like years at this point about like the music influenced me No, it didn't have anything to do with it I just wanted to sacrifice a virgin it was all about the devil and it's like okay Which if you go back and forth then the music didn't influence you no because it's clear You just said it wanted to do it. So you did it. Exactly.
That's what it is That's it black and white that's exactly what shows the music thing as a scapegoat because that was the cool thing to do for a while Was blame heavy metal music. Oh, especially I mean 1995. Yeah, absolutely Oh, right there Oh, and honestly, I really hate to end on a sad note, but everybody lost here absolutely Lisa's parents ended up having like a super hard time and remember they had three other kids Yeah, they ended up on welfare because the family like lost their jobs because they weren't able to go into work because they've had such horrific PTSD And actually the father Dave's PTSD PTSD excuse me led to a road rage incident That's like I think it's still ongoing Oh, what's going on with that and the saddest thing of all is that it was ruled that they be paid restitution They've never received a dime. Are you kidding me?
They've never received a dime in restitution. That's fucked. Isn't that horrific? Oh my god So this is just all around the most horrific case it truly is I know and for I mean it kind of sucks that inspired Jennifer's body, but I mean, but it's like, you know art imitating life It is imitating art imitating life.
That's the case. That's that Unbelievable. I know that's a truly truly horrific case. It's just so sad.
It really is like from every angle It really is and it's and it's you know, you can see too with Jennifer's body I'm like thinking about it. I'm like they made Jennifer like a character is you know like a caricature of oh, yes Like the hyper rebellious. Yeah, and she was friends with like a goody-two-two's girl Which she was friends with two good girls. That's interesting.
The only thing they didn't do was get her blonde hair Blue eyes. Wow if anything you think that they would have picked a man's life That's character. I know but maybe they didn't want to make it like a full. Yeah, which now Thank you, which thank you for not making it like a total just like right off of it That's wrong.
Nobody needs that because it's like they you know scream was based off of the Gainesville River Yeah, and it's like very loose, but you can see it right, you know And then did Cassie Joe's daughter did that happen before screamer after scream that happened after scream? They were inspired by scream. Okay, or it's the same kind of thing. They said they were inspired by scream But they were but they're just they're just acting.
Yeah, they're just evil dicks. That's all it is. Yeah. Wow wait until you see the picture of them They're repulsive.
I just like them up. It's it's just I saw you and I was like really really responsive Like really and Elise by the way beautiful gorgeous beautiful like beyond they are lucky that she spent one second in their presence It's like honestly. Oh, it's so gross. Wow.
Well, thank you for that Nightmare your most in area. No problem. Anytime you get that I like giving you nightmares. Yeah, that's a rough one Well for the for a long time there you were the one giving me night Yeah, whenever you involve like a teenage girl that I'm like, okay.
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