EPISODE · Nov 13, 2025 · 24 MIN
The Brutal Truth About Running Layoffs
from “HR Heretics” | How CPOs, CHROs, Founders, and Boards Build High Performing Companies · host HR Heretics
On today’s Dear Heretics segment, Nolan and Kelli tackle a question on navigating layoffs, revealing hard-won lessons from cutting deep, treating people humanely, and avoiding rookie RIF mistakes.Support our Sponsor:Metaview is the AI platform built for recruiting. Check it out: https://www.metaview.ai/heretics* Our suite of AI agents work across your hiring process to save time, boost decision quality, and elevate the candidate experience.* Learn why team builders at 3,000+ cutting-edge companies like Brex, Deel, and Quora can’t live without Metaview.* It only takes minutes to get up and running.KEEP UP WITH NOLAN + KELLI ON LINKEDINNolan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/__For coaching and advising inquire at https://kellidragovich.com/—TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Intro(03:22) Dear Heretics: What to Know Before Your First RIF(05:10) The Carta Layoff Playbook: Cut Deep, Stay Humane, Do It Once(09:19) Sponsor: Metaview(10:41) Change Management: Why Before and After Matter Most(15:00) Opt-In Severance and Tucking In Top Performers(19:00) Designing for Trust Over Fear(22:04) Leadership Accountability and the Golden Rule(24:11) Wrap This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit hrheretics.substack.com
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