The Bulwark Pope

from The Secret Podcast · host Jonathan V. Last and Sarah Longwell

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.thebulwark.comSarah and JVL talk about Judge Box O’Wine and Pope Leo XIV. Warning: It’s a lot of pope and Catholic talk. Also: It’s complicated. The pope doesn’t map onto American politics and wasn’t chosen as a rebuke to Donald Trump.But that doesn’t mean that Trump will be able to resist turning him into an antagonist and an anti-Trump symbol. JVL wrote about this in a late-night Triad, here:It’s a great show and a long show. Talk about it in the comments.The Secret Podcast is exclusively for members of Bulwark+ featuring JVL and Sarah Longwell. To watch or listen to this episode and join the conversation in the comments become a Bulwark+ member today.

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