The Cecil Hotel

The dead of night as people sleep. That's when the spirits creep. As the bell tolls three, dark things take power. We like to call it the supernatural hour.

Welcome to Supernatural Hour. I am Raven. Before I introduce our other hosts, we do have a guest host here today. His name is Buddy.

He's a six year old Doxygen. We're gonna give him a try out here in basement CDB games. I don't think he's gonna say much though. He's kind of licking himself right now.

Well, as long as no one rings the doorbell, I think we'll be okay. And if the doorbell is rang, you will know it. All right then. He seems very dossy.

He's an attack dog. He is. Yeah, he'll bark here. He'll treat you like evil incarnate when he first come in and then five minutes later he's your best friend and has no idea what personal space is.

So he's weird. So anyway. But we also have... I'm Tim.

And Chad. Excellent. Excellent. So today we are, first of all, apologies about last week's podcast.

I had a scheduling staff who mostly is called on. I was an idiot and double booked and it just didn't go well, obviously. So but we're here today. So before we tell you what we're gonna talk about, let's talk about Rock Canyon.

Well, Tim wasn't able to be there, which was really sad. But it actually turned out to be really good. Everybody that was there really enjoyed it. None of us investigated there before.

We only knew it was haunted because it was listed on a handful of content sites on the internet. And Chad and I went there a few weeks before and kind of scattered it out to make sure that it would be feasible to do as a kind of a group excursion, had it split up into three areas, so that we could social distance and have areas that we could rotate like you normally do when you come and investigate with us, apps for normal services. And you know, everybody that came, we said, okay, this is new for all of us. We're kind of all guinea pigs.

So let's do this and see how it happens. Everybody had a lot of activity. Everybody really enjoyed it. I think it's definitely someplace we'll go back to.

I think in future events, because of some of the feedback we got, kind of the south area that we had assigned, I think we'll let that be optional because they, hey, you know, this is what's going on over there. Yeah, it just wasn't conducive for a group gathering area. It was more of a trail when people came by, they kind of had to walk through the people that were investigating. Yeah, kind of narrow, they couldn't really spread out very much.

The spirit that is there doesn't really want to talk to anybody, and it tends to be the longest to get to. So, but there was activity in a different area that was closer. Anyway, so if you missed it, come back, it'll be even better because what we've narrowed down kind of where the activity is and it's not. And I'm actually looking forward to going back and doing that again.

Yeah, we talked to a lot of the people that had participated and they really enjoyed the venue and the event. I thought it was very successful. Yeah, just some of the highlights. Some of the more sensitive folk heard, there's a lot of Native American activity there.

They actually heard some Native American drumming going on. A lot of activity with Native American spirits by the creek. The girl that's by the creek was some girls that had bodies that had been found there or passed away there. I don't remember exactly, but there were some more modern women.

It was really successful. I think our only thing is we didn't have lights and so it kind of got dark when we saw one town. But next time it was the second longest day of the year. Yeah, you know, you could get dark until like forever, but when I got dark, it was dark.

So, and then I have to give a little shout out to the people that were rock climbing, not from our group, it's like, dude, it's like super dark. You rock climbing. Y'all gonna die. Hence, it's haunted.

So, if you missed it, watch forward. It's definitely one that we will do again. It was a lot of fun. Well, that's cool.

I'm glad that everyone was able to make it that made it and that's no one got hurt because that's the most important thing is especially when you go into somewhere where we're not familiar with, you just want to make sure that everyone has fun and is safe. Right. So, you know, it's called rock canyon trail. It is a hiking trail, but it's, you know, there are loose rocks.

They're, you know, drop offs. I want to say, we'll drop offs. I mean, if you fell down, some of them might break an arm or twist it legally good, but I think you kind of have to try to do that. And we had some people there that were a little older.

Everybody wasn't triathletes and everyone seemed to handle the terrain just like so. We had about 30 people ranging from probably mid 70s down into 18, 18, 19. Yeah, there were couple of teenagers there. 18, 19 year olds to yeah, probably mid 70s and everybody had a good time.

So, residential, um, didn't you go on one recently? I'm going on one right after we finish order. I'll try this today. Yes.

So, this is actually a follow up to the investigation I talked about on our last episode. And I'm a little perturbed with another team, but I'm not going to go into too many details because I want to be better than that and not do exactly what they were doing to me. So, um, they, one thing I do ask though to other teams out there, please be professional when you are dealing with clients and you're in their homes. One thing that this guy did tell me is he felt the team brought some negative energy into the home and it kind of made him feel uncomfortable.

And to the homeowners, like if you're calling people to come out to your home, uh, if it's us or if it's somebody else, you don't feel comfortable with the people that are in your home. It's your home. Um, if they're in there and they're doing something that you don't agree with or you don't like or it just doesn't make you feel comfortable, you are more than welcome to ask if it's us or anybody else asks him to leave. It's your house.

Um, that's one thing that he said he wished he did with the other team to ask him to leave, um, but he didn't. And, and I just want to use that as an example. Like we're here to help you and if you don't feel that we can give you that help, you're more than welcome to ask his to leave. Just tell us you don't feel comfortable or whatever.

And we'll go like, it's your house. You know, we're not in charge. You are. Yeah.

And if there's, you know, if there's negative feelings with us or any team, for whatever reason, that's not going to solve the problem. It's just going to happen. We fully realize that, you know, we're not the best team for everybody. We're not going to be everybody's perfect fit.

There might be something about us that you don't agree with. And that's okay. We want you to bring people into your home that make you feel comfortable and make you feel safe and they're going to help fix the problem. Um, like I said, whether it's us or if it's somebody else, I mean, there's plenty of teams here in Utah, uh, Logan, you have a very rare pair of normal, run by my good friend at Shane.

Um, amazing man. Um, they're fantastic. I love that team. I love everybody on there.

They are one of my favorite teams to work with. Uh, there's also, I believe there's a team Sappa still kicking around and doing residential's. I know there's spirits are us that kind of work down the Provo, a pace and area. Um, just to name a few.

These are all teams that have been doing this for years and teams that I trust, right? I wouldn't be mentioning them. Um, but like I said, there's, there's plenty of teams out there. Find the one that you feel is best suited for you.

So what do you think about that wisp? They're all right. I am wearing one of their shirts right now. So, they're okay.

Um, so we did a residential in South Jordan last week. And, um, it's a family that, everybody in the family, to me, seemed to be just a little bit sensitive, you know, and some more than others. Um, when we went there, there was a mom, the dad, the daughter, and then they had a son. And he wasn't actually there, but, um, you know, he is there.

20, she's young, 20, and he comes in and out. Right. And they didn't really tell me any specific things that I remember as far as, you know, the movie or it was mostly just, you know, some bad feelings and heavy pressure. I think the dad, I think they did occasionally see some shadow figures, um, but it was mostly just a heavy presence.

So after doing the investigation, we determined that there was a male spirit upstairs in the boys room and then a type three spirit downstairs in the girls room. And, um, in the girls room, there was a great big mirror for the ceiling, you know, like the closet closet, dormers, closet, dormers and, um, so overlooking the bed. Overlooking bed. So that was a scare the crap.

I used to have an apartment where the closet doors were mirrors and I hated it. I ended up towards the end of my time living in my apartment. I slept in the living room on a blowout bed, air mattress. Yeah.

So, you know, we explained a little bit about the mirrors and we said, you know, these are, you know, it'd be expensive to replace. So we, um, we cleansed, there was a portal in the mirror and we suggested that they put up a curtain rod or, you know, something to cover those at least while she was sleeping. So they're going to do that. Um, so I think it was pretty successful.

We were able to get everything out and, um, I mean, this family, they're, they're, they're, they're, you know, well, they didn't feel good about something they would say each and, um, they knew some stuff to do. So, yeah. And she was very sensitive. Yes.

So, but we were able to get that taken care of and be seen happy. So, um, we have another one scheduled for next week. Um, and if you're interested in a residential, um, we usually pre-coronavirus, we would bring four to five people out, kind of depending on, you know, what was going on and who was available. But we're trying to social distance, um, trying to keep those smaller groups, so we're only bringing three people out, um, you know, kind of kind of rotates through all of the investigators to make sure everyone gets a turn.

So if you're one of our investigators listening, don't forget, you'll get a turn eventually. Um, but residential's are starting to come in and it's, it's COVID is eating up a little bit and, um, at least in some places. So if you've got something that's going bump in the night at your house and you need some help, look at this call. We'll come out.

Unless it's an actual person, the call the police. Yeah. Yeah. We don't, we don't know people who need to wear cigarettes.

So our topic today is the Cecil Hotel. And if you've never heard of the Cecil Hotel, you need to first of all listen to our podcast because it's fascinating. But then I would suggest watching YouTube videos because this is a very, very interesting, very storied, very, very haunted place for lots of reasons. So the Cecil Hotel was, and I'm getting a little, you know, doing my research, a little bit of complete information.

Um, it was either built in 1927 or 1924. You can't see. Yeah. No one knows what this place was built.

I'm sure someone does, but anyway, mid to early 1920s. Um, it was actually built by a very famous, you know, big wig hotelier. And he spent a million dollars and a million dollars in the 1920s was not a money. Oh, I was worried that it might have been fake money back then.

It was real money. I think one of the documentaries I was watching this morning said it was about 10 to 15 million dollars, uh, current. Yeah. I mean, it's, and if you look at pictures of it, you go back in the heyday.

I mean, it had the, the, you know, the condition, envision the Titanic, you know, in the movie, you know, the big Oculus staircase, you know, palm trees. Or Deco. Very cool. I mean, this was a big to do.

This place was built, it's not for just your average Joe. This was built for celebrities and wealthy businessmen and, and the social elites. This was a fancy place. Yeah, it was 700 rooms.

Yeah, it was a destination hotel. It's not hey, we're going to LA what hotel is available as we are going to the Cecil Hotel. Um, you went to go there. Um, but sadly, after they built it, guess what happened?

1920s? 1929 happened. The depression hits and that area of LA became known as Skid Row and the hotel tanked and the hotel became more, uh, hang out for drug dealers and prostitution and the ill reputable folks. So I didn't write down the fellow's name to go up with his dream, you know, boom, literally overnight kind of imploded.

William Banks hammer. Yes, I have hands and my mind. I wonder if I'm going to. It's possible you should do interest and words, words are hard.

Yup. It's our colors. They smell funny. Um, ancestry.com.

I should check that out. We'll do genealogy. I mean, genealogy alone is fascinating. You learn a lot of cool stuff about your, your history.

You really don't know. We do genealogy. So I have to post some of these pictures on Facebook because the lobby of the Cecil Hotel looks freaking amazing. It does.

I mean, it's marble folks. It's not just stained glass windows. That's a really cool staircase. All the art deco, the marble flooring's got inlays.

Beautiful. Um, at least it's rich. Yeah, Raven. When we were watching some of the documentaries on it, she's like, I was thinking it was going to be like a dumpy place.

You know, look at the pictures of it now, uh, video and stuff. The outside kind of does look like a dumpy place to be honest with you. Yeah. Well, they've since rebranded it.

I think they rebranded it in 2011. Um, it still says Cecil Hotel on it, but it's like the old, you know, the old sign. And now it's called Stay on Maine. Um, what kind of stuff do we build up to a new patient?

Um, sorry, I was getting a little too excited. And they call it the Stay on Maine now. You can, you can go there. It might be closed.

Um, I know that they're doing like a hundred and ten million dollar renovation on it. They're going to make it into apartments. Um, but considering the history there, which we're getting to after having build up. Because the history they changed it, they wanted to separate themselves from the haunted history that is Cecil Hotel.

I'm wondering if you get a apartment there. They're gonna have a lot of WISPs people in California and go centers when it's not crazy. Maybe. So why?

Um, 1931, as far as I can find, is the first death and it was a fellow by the name of W. K. Norton. He was 46 years old and he actually checked in, um, under an alias and they found him dead, um, from taking poison capsules in his room.

Um, so that kind of started the whole downward spiral of this hotel. Um, so they decided that there was about 16 roughly, give or take, that they know of accidents, murders, suicides, and then some that were just unknown. They just found people that were dead and they don't know if it was, I mean, obviously it's going to be one of those three, but they, um, they don't know exactly what it was. Some of the other people that they found out, I guess in 1934 there was an army sergeant named Louis D.

Borden who had come on throat. Yeah, that'd be fun. And then there was about four years later, there was someone named Roy Thompson, who was also in the Marine Corps. He jumped from top of the Cecil and they found him on the skylight of a building next door.

Yeah. And the Cecil Hotel, actually it's famous for, I think it became a destination hotel for people that wanted to jump to their death. Um, because a lady named Helen Gurney in 1954 jumped. Um, Julia Moore jumped in 62 and then, um, I hate to say this is my favorite because jumping to your death isn't this a terrible thing.

But as far as story goes, the most interesting story is a gal named Pauline Aten, also in 1962. She had a kind of a falling out with her husband. Um, and she decided to end it by jumping and she actually fell on and killed the pedestrian. And when police first, um, arrived on scene, they thought that maybe they had jumped together and kind of a, you know, suicide pact, but the pedestrian still had his shoes on and they determined that had he actually jumped, his shoes probably would have fallen off.

I don't know what the things behind that. They're saying the impact from when he hit the ground would have caused his shoes to fly off. Okay, that makes sense. That's what I heard.

Um, but there's also another crazy story that happened before that in 1944. Uh, there's a 19 year old named Dorothy Jean Persil. She walked about the middle night and she was having stomach pains. You know, she was staying with her, I think it was her boyfriend or her friend.

I don't know who was. Uh, his name has been the line. Um, she ended up going to the bathroom, uh, because she didn't want to wake him up. And when she went in there, she ended up giving birth to a baby boy.

And she had no idea. She was pregnant. She had no idea. No clue.

I've been pregnant before. And I know that there's a lot of stories. I don't doubt people that genuinely don't know their pregnancy. I'm not making fun of anybody that doesn't know that.

But the way I am, oh my gosh, I knew I was pregnant. So the people that don't know, I was like, I don't know. But yeah, she didn't know. She had no idea.

And she thought the baby still weren't. She didn't know that it was live when she hucked it out the window. See, even if your child is deceased, when it's born, it's still born. Why huck it out the window?

I'm gonna blank it and go bury it. She threw her live baby out the window. And I guess during the trial, they decided she wasn't guilty and, uh, claimed that she was insane, more or less, and they admitted her to a hospital for a second-degree treatment. Yeah, well, I think so.

How can your baby out the window just doesn't seem like? Oh, I did. Right. So, um, a couple of other notable people, not unless you've ever heard of the gal named the black Dahlia.

Um, she was an actress, uh, back at that time. I wrote it. Wasn't her name, Elizabeth Short? Yes.

So, um, she wasn't actually killed in the hotel, but she, they, um, her, her death was very sensationalized because she was found in a park very, very close to the Cecil Hotel. And people say that they had seen her at the hotel just hours before she had died. So no one knows if her killer was there, you know, and maybe the only connection to the black Dahlia was that she went there and had a drink and then left and who knows what happened. But her death was very sensationalized for a couple reasons when it still unsolved too.

It was very, very gruesome. Very similar to Jack the Ripper. Yes. It was very much a Jack the Ripper ish type of death.

That's one we can actually get into more detail. We have that on our list of, uh, pop topics as the black Dahlia. Right. So we won't go into it too much now, but that was a very notable one.

So I quoted that wrong on the, um, the man with the shoes. It was, I was wrong about the impact. It was what he said. The determined is to choose what fallen off while he was falling.

Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. I just know that his shoes were still on and the police said if you jumped his shoes with a fallen off, the impact sounds good to me. I think so.

We can go with impact. It's one of the two issues wrong. They shouldn't have been. I have no preference.

Um, so a couple of other notable fellows, um, two serial killers actually lived there. The first was Richard Ramirez, which you probably know better as the Night Stalker. And so he would have been more like the 1985-ish era. Um, and you know what?

He was 85, 86, somewhere like terrorized. I think he ended up murdering a total 13 people while he was living at the Cecil. Yeah. And here's the interesting thing.

People just, you know, people are interesting. Good, bad, weird. He, um, uh, liked him said that he lived there. He would go out and kill people.

He'd get all bloody. He'd walk back to the hotel. He'd take his bloody clothes off, throw them in the dumpster. He would walk through the hotel lobby naked oftentimes and no one patted an eye.

That was kind of the, the, just how everything was going down in that part of town that people were like, Oh, hey, Nick and bloody guy. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, with skit roe being right there. Like he said, it was not unusual or uncommon for half Nick and junkies to just be walking around in the hotel.

Yeah. So no one bad at a night. And like, Oh, hey, look, he's naked again. So yeah, that's not weird.

I have a hard time looking at this guy's picture and like, there's just the energy that comes off of this man is just bad night. Like I started watching an interview that someone was doing with him while he was in prison and just how calm and collected he was and his responses. Um, he even asked him. He's like, did you kill those 13 people?

And he's like, that would be irresponsible for me to answer that question because of the appeal that I have going on next question. Yeah. And they asked him if he was evil and his response was well, everybody's evil. It just depends on how evil you are.

Like it just, just the tone of his voice, his mannerisms, it just didn't seem right. Like, I mean, I guess if you watch any of those shows that were the interview serial killers, they're all, they're all the same. They just, they all seem to lack that empathy. They don't seem to really care or feel bad about what they did.

And this man is just, it's just one of them. And it's just very creepy. Just a few minutes of that interview I watched, they couldn't watch anymore just because just the vibes I got from this guy. We're sleepy.

No, Chad, you were watching one. Same one. I think the same one. Because I didn't start watching this one until something else.

And you changed it like a 10 or 15 minutes like that one. Yeah, I wanted to learn about Cecil and this was a part of that. But when I say gave me the creeps, it, you could tell that he that he was evil and you could tell that. And what I didn't like about it was how the news thing here was sensationalizing it.

And you know, he was making this as a, you know, that it's about him. And it was sensationalizing that I didn't want to be since sensationalized what he had done. So I turned it off the media since sensationalized things. You're crazy.

Yeah, no, he just, he's just a little bit. I watch he seemed very proud of himself. I mean, he declared himself a Satanist and that he was, I don't know what his reasoning behind him doing what he did. But like, he didn't seem to show normal emotions, normally any remorse.

Like he just, it was creepy. So let's move on. So I'm not happy. No, there was one other serial killer that called the Cecil, his Australian dude.

Yeah. So his name was Jack Bluntervanger. He was Australian. Austrian.

Austrian. He is from Austria. I was going to say it sounds like a German name, but Austrian makes sense because there are some quotes. He actually picked this Cecil hotel because Richard Ramirez lived there.

And when you look at his picture, he doesn't look creepy though. He looks like the dude next door that he liked to kill prostitutes. He looked like a, I mean, from the, from the little bit of clips that I saw, he looked just like any other normal like businessman. Well, I think I thought he was from Australia because Austrian Australia looked the same, but he kind of, excuse me, he kind of has a crocodile then the eash look, like maybe a younger crocodile I can see that.

But he was there on business. He was a journalist, I believe. I think he was there doing a story. I don't know if it was on Ramirez or I would need to go back and look at this, but I think because this kind of stood out.

I think he was doing a story on people that killed prostitutes, but yet he was killing prostitutes himself. I could have that a little wrong, but that's kind of what I think we remember because I remember thinking about that's kind of my wrong. It's really getting into the research for your work. Right.

And this would have been about 91. So just, you know, not too much longer after Ramirez. It was only like five or six years later. It wasn't.

Yeah, kind of in the same time area. And when the video I was watching, the guy basically said the odds of two serial killers being in the same place within years of each other. It's very rare because I believe in the US alone, the police say that there's maybe 25 to 37 active serial killers in the states at one time out of the millions and millions of people that live in the US. So the odds of two of them being the same place aren't very good.

So yeah, a lot of people said that they think the Cecil Hotel is cursed just because of everything that goes on. And yeah, everything that has gone on there, it seems pretty legit. So it says they kind of closed it down as a hotel, you know, because it's not, you know, the economy is not very good. There's a lot of stuff going on.

So they closed it down for a while and then they turned it, and I think it was at the time that the serial killers were there. They actually turned it into a single resident occupancy housing. So it wasn't so much a hotel as it was, but it was like more like you could live there. It wasn't a hit at the end of the night and go see the same in tomorrow and go home.

It was more long term type of a thing. And then in 2007, the owners decided to kind of reinvest in it and they turned it more into a hostel, you know, hoping to get more of a touristy vibe, because LA in that certain area was starting to open up a little bit. And people started to see ghosts there. I can only imagine why.

With all the tragedy and deaths that went on there, yeah, it's reasonable that people would see or experience paranormal activity. Yeah, I'm just kind of looking at my notes and we know we've covered you know, silly people's throats poisoning, but I mean, shot himself. I mean, it's just jumping to your doe. Right.

But the most recent thing before we can talk about some of the ghost stuff is there's been a couple cases before we get into that one. Just real quick, there was a local woman that was staying at the sea so her name was Goldie Osgoode and she was actually found dead in her room and her room had been ransacked. They say that she had been raped before she suffered a fail stabbing and beating. There was one suspect that they had found walking with bloods and clothing nearby, but he was later cleared of her killing and was never convicted.

So there is there's there's I mean, the Black doll, he was one of them. They like you said, they thought she might have stayed there or gotten a drink there. They know they've actually been able to confirm that. It could have been a bar nearby.

They could have been some of the look like her. They have no idea, but she was found near little delt. So but the more famous one that you were alluding to and this one is this is because of this case, I was made aware of the sea. So I didn't know it existed until I found this case.

Actually, when I first joined the team, six and a half years ago or six years ago, whenever it was, is when I first found out about this case. And the weird thing was this, when I found out about it, it was actually on the anniversary of her death. It was it was, it was because I believe she died in January 28th. And it was I think the 29th the very next day when the story just popped up on my Facebook feeder, however the hell I found it.

But I just thought it was very fascinating that I was made aware aware of this particular story on the anniversary of her death. That's kind of crazy. I wonder what does this mean? Yeah.

And so when this happened, and we'll tell you what happened if you haven't heard it yet, but this was when it was in kind of a hostile mode and hostile, not not hostile, but when it was like a hostile. And the other thing cleaned it up and a lot of young people were coming to stay there, going to go to school or just a sight see. And so this guy's name was... Oh, Lisa Lamb.

There you go. So would you like to tell us? So this is kind of your part of this story. So when I first found about this, I saw the video because the video was just maybe this is browsing ghost videos on Facebook, I found this.

I found out on Facebook, YouTube, the other popular thing. So the video shows her acting very strangely in the hotel's elevator. You watch her walk in and just mash all the buttons, light everything up. And then she kind of steps back a little bit, and then she steps forward a little bit and hooks her head out of the hotel, out of the elevator real quick and looks around, jumps back in the elevator.

Yeah, I mean, she looks like she was being chased or something like, you know, and she doesn't... It's not like, oh, there's going to be a scene there. I mean, I don't know what she's looking for. Kind of paranoid.

A paranoid kind of a look. And you can find this on YouTube if you want to see this. Oh, it's all over the place. Just YouTube, Lisa Lamb.

That's E-L-I-S-A-L-M. Lisa Lamb. Or the Cecil Hotel. Or the Cecil Hotel.

It's going to come up. I just Google her search for Cecil Hotel and it was like the third video in talking about what happened with her. Because it's creepy. There's a lot of controversy on this on whether or not it was paranormal related or if it was a product of her mental state.

Because she was suffering from mental health issues and she wasn't on a lot of antidepressants and some other medicines and stuff like that. But just watching the video, the first time I just got these really creepy vibes and I actually posted it on our team's Facebook group page. And I asked the brandies what they thought about it and both of them came back with that there was definitely an inhuman presence with her at the time of the video. And I truly believe that.

Just based on what I saw, the way she was acting, yes, it could be attributed to her mental health issues. The thing that got me really creeped out is when she stepped off of the elevator and her hands started bending backwards in an unnatural way. If you watch it, there is a part where she's like doing some weird things with her hands. But to me, it looks like her fingers start bending back towards her wrist, which is not natural.

That's not something that's supposed to happen. And everyone seems kind of overlooked that. And they say that she was just acting weird because of the medication that she was on or that she forgot to take her medication or something like that. She may have been, she might have been or being manipulated or controlled.

But just kind of watching the video, one of the things that came to mind is when she stood back in the corner, elevators usually don't just stay open that long on their own unless you hit the button to make it stay open. So it kind of seemed like to me, she was kind of standing back away from the door now after she started pressing on the buttons and the door should closed. I never did. Yeah, it stayed open for a long time.

I mean, even after she left, like she didn't even get, she didn't even stay on the elevator, she'd see her on the video walking away. And it was still quite some time after she walked away before the elevator finally closed. To me, that was just very weird. Yeah, it did.

So I mean, I watched these videos of people trying to explain it away using science, which I get it. That's what skeptics are going to do. And that's what we try to do. But when you look at facts like that, when you're looking at the bigger picture, not just the person's mental health state, you're going to notice things like that.

Like the elevator not closing right away or her fingers bending in ways that they shouldn't bend. Like it just, there was just so much stuff in this video that just, it didn't sit right. It didn't feel right. And yeah, like I said, she did have mental health issues.

They, when they finally found her body, you know, they did a toxicology report, they found a lot of drugs in her system. Now, the one video just mentioned there's a lot of drugs in her system, which kind of makes sense. If you're on prescription medication, you're going to find that in your system. What they didn't find was anything other than what she'd been prescribed.

There was no marijuana, no cocaine, no heroin, no meth, none of those. So nothing that wasn't expected to be in there. Yeah, pretty much everything that they found in the toxicology report is stuff that should have been there because she was on antidepressants and other medications. So the interesting thing is how she was found.

For a long time, for a while, she was just missing. And the guests after, you know, time started complaining that their water was a funny color and that their water tasted funny. And so they went up on the roof and looked in the water towers on top of the roof and they got her body there. There was like a whole like two week long search for her.

When she was from Canada, her parents had immigrated to Canada from Hong Kong. And you know, she was feeling, I guess, lonely and stressed out with schoolwork and stuff. Like she ended up dropping a couple of her classes because it was just too much for her to handle. And she felt like the best thing to do for her was to get away and just travel and see things and kind of more of us press the reset button.

That's exactly what she did. It ended up that, you know, not so well for her. It didn't have the exact outcome that she had hoped, unfortunately. And she had started traveling in St.

California. She started in San Diego and then eventually made her way up to LA and then she planned on going to cover what city was next. But she had it all planned out. Her parents knew about the whole thing.

She was on the phone with them several times a day like, Hey, this is where I'm out just checking in, letting you know I'm safe and I went not. And I believe at one point they had said she had reported her phone missing. They still never found the phone. It's gone.

So what happened was, like, she was set to check out, I think on the 28th of January and she never did. And she had been call her parents like she had been. She had been concerned, rightfully so. You know, I'm sure you would do the same with your kids because they're calling you several times a day, letting you know what their plans are for the day where they're going, when they're going to be there, when they're going to call you next, like just constantly updating you several times throughout the day.

And also, they just stop calling. You're going to be concerned. So she launched a phone investigation with a place where we're posting flyers of her pictures of her on the news and posting flyers all over the city trying to alert the people of the situation and see if anyone found her, especially since the, I don't think the police noted the time that she had the mental health issues her parents apparently felled to reveal that information to the cops. I guess they got upset about it.

I don't know if that really would have mattered. The fact that they're plastering her plastering her picture all over the place, trying to look for her. And what could find her and tell like you said, people were experiencing problems with their water tasting funny, smelling funny, looking funny like it was black. Right.

And I have to tell you, because, and it's a terrible situation. So you know, don't mistake this, but pardon me thought, you know, those were people that were drinking that water. They actually did test it and they didn't find any harmful bacteria in the water. I mean, it looked bad.

It smelled bad for obvious reasons, which is tragic. I believe all this happened in 2013. Yes. So it's fairly recent.

Yes. So yeah, and the last death that you know of, but I could find out about was in 2015, it was a man that committed suicide. We were doing other information about that. You know, the fascinating thing, I thought, that's at least lamb.

And I know people made other connections because they did some toxicology test or whatever it was called on, or called the lamb, at least that's just pure coincidence on that one. But the fact that the founder in the water tanks that were supposed to be sealed off on a roof that was alarmed, basically, there should have should not have been a way for her to get into the tanks. I believe they found her without any clothes on in the water tank. They never did find her clothes.

They ruled it as the death as an accidental drowning or an accident due to drowning. There was a lot of speculation on how she got up there, that setting off the alarms and how she got into the water tanks. And I did see another video that someone posted after the whole thing happened, and they recorded themselves walking up the stairs, going up onto the roof without any alarm going off. And you think at this point, like, if you're all over in the news about this stuff like this, you would take majors to fix the problem.

Yeah, so it didn't happen again, because you're always going to get that copycat person that wants attention. But someone like legit was showing like how she could have done it. And from and I didn't see this video until recently, but from what I just said, all the tanks were sealed, but there was no weight in. Like, they had to cut the side of the tank to get her out.

When the person showed how easy it was to just get on the roof and walk up, I mean, there was a ladder popped up on the side of one of the water tanks. And there was a small like shack that is right next to them that you can get on top of the shack and then get on top of the water tanks. And they showed that the lids on some of the tanks were open. So it was possible for her to get in there on her own.

However, what we don't know is did she do it because she was having some kind of mental breakdown? Or was she being coaxed and led by something paranormal? I don't know that will ever know. But to me, it's very fascinating.

And just going off the video alone of her in the elevator, my personal opinion on the situation is that she was being influenced by something inhuman. And it was preying on the fact that she was alone. She was probably scared. You know, she had issues with depression and mental health.

And that's the type of things that those entities prey on. And they come after that and they attack that. Because they know you're a little bit more vulnerable. So it would have been extremely easy for something that could have been in the hotel.

That could have been brought there by Ramirez or the other guy, Uto Wiser, whatever his name was. I can't remember. Right. And then, you know, we've talked a little bit here about the different stages of possession.

And you know, it starts out, you know, it becomes your friend and then it turns on you. It could have been, you know, maybe they've been working on her for quite a while and it just got to the point where it turned. Yeah, it could have been, they could have been completely something that had followed her from Canada. Like, we have no idea.

But in my personal opinion, it was something inhuman that led her to her death. I can't prove that, but that's what I believe. Right. And I have no reason to doubt you.

So as far as paranormal activity aside from that, guests have said that they've got cold spots. They've seen shadowing figures. If you go to YouTube and type in Cecil Hotel and Ghost outside window, you'll see at least one like a news clip. There's a young boy, he's probably 10, 10 to 14 years old, who's kind of interested in the paranormal.

And he took the picture of the Cecil Hotel and the picture, it kind of looked like a ghost about ready to jump. People say that they have a feeling they've been watched and some people have claimed to see a woman that looks like the Black Dahlia wandering in the halls. So, like I said, I believe it's closed for some renovations. I did see that when I was doing research.

I didn't click to see when it was. We watched a YouTube video quite recently that I was a girl walking around and they'd fixed it up and it didn't look like the 1920s opulence, but it looked nice. You know, I was expecting to see, you know, that old tacky, casino hallway carpet and peeling wallpaper, but it actually, it actually looked quite nice. And I don't know what time period that video was, but you know, if you're just in a check it out, maybe you could get in that area and see check it out.

I'd like to go up there, but I don't know if it's on my list. I'm not sure either, but it's definitely on my list of places that I want to check out. I mean, this place is because of its history and the stories that go around with it. It actually spawned in that anthology series, American Horror Story.

I believe it was season five. It was a whole season. Yeah, season five called Hotel. The inspiration for that entire season was this hotel.

It's just so crazy on all the different things that happened there. It's sad and interesting that it was built to be this opulent destination, place for the wealthy and the movie stars and the rich. And it just turned on the dime literally overnight to be in the exact opposite. You know, Skid Row, housing prostitutes and drug dealers and serial fillers and there's never no how life's going to swing on you sometimes.

So if that stuff wasn't crazy enough, you ready for some more crazy stuff? Of course. The Weird Wacky Paranormal. The Weird Wild Stuff.

So I actually wasn't looking for this. It kind of found me and I was listening to it. I told Chad I'm like, well, there's my wacky news for the next podcast. I just was like handed to me.

So if you think about two people and you know, Peanut Butter goes with Jelly and you know, if you were to think of like the two most opposite people you could think of that would hang out and be friends, probably on your list could be Harry Houdini and Arthur Conan Doyle. Who? The guy that wrote the Sherlock Holmes? Yes.

Yeah, that's... Would you pick two of them together? No, in a million years. No, no, but well they were.

So apparently in... I bet you didn't know I knew that. Trying to see them right down the year. Yes.

In 1920, they kind of hooked up and they became friends. And the reason they became friends, one thing I have to remember is about this time, you know, the late 1800s, early 1900s, early 1900s, spiritualism was really taken up to... Big, big movement. You know, kind of another that started, but think of you know, you've all heard Abraham Lincoln and very interested in the paranormal and his wife.

Yeah, he ended with him. He did. I saw that. I think we talked about this on him.

Wasn't a documentary that we... I think we did. But Mary Todd Lincoln was very much in the spiritualism and trying to contact your son. So I mean, it's a big way.

It went on first for many, many years. So it's still going on. You got to remember, I mean, I'm sure everyone else who heard Houdini is the magician. And he was a Hungarian immigrant.

I'm not terribly well educated. And then there's Arthur Conan Doyle, who's like the Scottish gentleman, you know, educated in private schools and very Victorian and proper. But it came together. And the reason why is Arthur Conan Doyle's son, Kingston, passed away.

And so, and we're just gonna call him Doyle. Start up to say his whole name a whole time. And Doyle was very interested in being able to... He wanted to be able to talk to him.

You know, he believed in an afterlife. He wanted to be able to talk to his son. And Houdini was very interested in the afterlife because he wanted to talk to his mom. But having, you know, being a stage magician and knowing all the little tricks and sleight of hands and all the stage, he was really, really skeptical.

But he had that belief and he wanted to believe it. So he would go to mediums and he would really pick apart what they did. And he wanted to find a real medium that he could use to contact his mother. And he kept, you know, but he was our...

He was, you know, the skeptic. The open-minded skeptic. And he could go, you know, he could go, you know, this is the one. And, nope, you're nice on that.

And I know what you're doing. And so he was, even though he wanted to believe in the medium, and he wanted to find the one, he went out, you know, the fakes. So Arthur Conan Doyle's wife and a believer named Jean, she decided to become a medium. And you gotta remember, at this time, everyone was a medium.

Everyone was becoming a medium. It was like the hot thing to do. Let's still go on. Everyone's on medium.

It's like Oprah Winfrey's just handing out mediums shipped everybody. You're a medium. You're a medium. Everybody's a medium.

Well, it's not right. It's true. We know it. It's just a verbal name, right?

So, I mean, even Rudyard Kipling, if you're aware of who he is, he's the one who wrote Gugadein. I don't know. His wife was a medium. I mean, if you were cool, you were a medium, I then.

So Houdini kind of hooks up with Arthur Conan Doyle. And... As friends. As friends.

Not lovers, not friends. So, you know, and they're going to mediums stuff together. They're going to seance. And the seance is a big thing.

And Arthur Conan Doyle's wife decides that she's a medium. And invites him over. And Doyle's wife apparently contacted Houdini's mother. Oh, that's what it's called.

But Houdini Auditor. And this is kind of when their friendship started today. And I'm making this really short, but they hung out for several years and went to different places together. And Houdini's trying to debunk it.

And Arthur Conan Doyle is like throwing millions of dollars into research. You know, really the today's dollars trying to improve it, it's correct. And anyway, so Houdini goes to the seance of Jean Doyle. And she writes out like 15 pages of things that Houdini's mother's apparently.

For association. Telling him. And writing. And this is when their friendship kind of started to fall apart.

Because Houdini's looking at these 15 pages of perfect English. And he's like, my mom's English is crap. This would not be her time. She spoke Yiddish.

She was Jewish. She spoke another language or English was very broken. And so, you know, here he is telling his friend that you know, your wife's a hack. You know, Arthur Doyle's not like, oh, well, cool.

Yeah, she doesn't mean. Yeah. So their friendship started to deteriorate. In addition, that it was all about Christian kind of stuff.

And his mother was very Jewish. There's two other things that you get. No, but those are the main things. And so their friendship started to deteriorate.

Well, kind of the last straw was they went to a, you know, because Arthur Conan Doyle is really true. Really build it up and things like so and so on. They went to a medium. And this is where the really wacky comes in.

They went to a medium. Her name was Marjorie Crandon. And she was a Boston medium. And she would conduct silences very scantily clad.

And on occasion, she could produce ecoplasm out of her vagina. I'll say it just out of her another way since she would have ecoplasm come forth. I'm just going to move that there. So, I want to say so much, but this is a family show.

So, ecoplasm out of your private parts. So, that just really led to a rift and he was like, you got to freaking kidney. And Arthur Doyle is like, oh, this is so good. Anyway, so their friendship fell apart and it never did to them, never to get back together.

So they kind of hooked up on this thing to figure it out in 1920. Pudini died of a ruptured, the appendix ruptured something in 1926 there from doing a magic trick. A magic trick. Well, it's it's he did a thing where, you know, he'd always help people be punching the stomach and it'll hurt.

And I mean, the secret ride that was obviously he knew the punch was coming. So it flexes muscles and it would absorb the impact. Someone surprised him one day when he was like taking an nap or something and just all unpunched him and the stomach causing internal injuries and he died during a trick because of that. So, that was that was the one secret Houdini that was revealed.

I mean, that's how he took the punches. Yeah. So, Arthur Conan Doyle, Harry Houdini, was best with lads until the scantily clad Boston medium started shooting at the plasma maneuver. So, that's not weird.

Why? I don't know what it was. Well, that's weird wild stuff. I got a little bit more about Houdini and his wife when Houdini died.

For 10 years, I think it was 10 years, his wife continued to try to contact him through mediums and through different things to try to prove this because Houdini said if he could contact her, he would. They had talked about this and they had a code word that they were going to use to verify the communication between the two of them. And only the two of them knew about the code word. And she went to salonses.

She had a regular salons every year for 10 years, I think it was on his death and different things. And she never got the code word from any of the mediums or any of the things. And I think she'd written it in the candle. I mean, there's a whole lot of things along that.

But yeah, she determined after 10 years that, you know, if it could have been a communication, it would have been. That's interesting. I did not know that. Yeah, very interesting.

So, you know, that was his moving on and trying to make the communication. I think if you look at those Victorian Dickensie era, I think that's one of the most bizarre interesting paranormal sounds. The 1800s were definitely crazy with that. Like I said, the spiritualist movement.

That's we covered a little bit about that on our episode with the Ouija boards and how they became popular. And yeah, there was just a whole lot of stuff that went on back then. But yeah, that's crazy. I did not know that you could find a hunter mediums in Boston.

Not that I want one. That's weird. So that's I guess going to lead us into our sort of the week. Does it make a puzzle?

No, because I could play some reason a real thing, in my opinion. Yeah, that's just all sorts of special. I bet that lady and I have this one. I want to have been best friends because they're both crazy.

Anyway, this week I have chosen Perido for no reason other than the August first time. That's kind of a good news coming. Yes. So I'm being selfish this week.