The CEO of htmx likes codin' dirty
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Jerod is joined by Carson Gross, the creator of htmx –a small, zero-dependency JavaScript library that he says, "completes HTML as a hypertext". Carson built it because he's big on hypermedia, he even wrote a book called Hypermedia Systems. Carson has a lot of strong opinions weakly held that we dive into in this conversation.
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- 0:00 This week on The Changelog
- 1:17 Sponsor: Retool
- 3:16 Start the show!
- 4:15 Getting htmx attention
- 9:08 Viewpoint origins
- 12:39 Hypermedia distilled
- 14:57 Why html lacks
- 18:49 What htmx adds
- 23:27 Echoes of jQuery
- 29:29 Sponsor: Depot
- 31:38 Gumroad didn't choose htmx
- 38:40 Making money
- 43:31 Codin' dirty
- 48:37 Big functions
- 51:56 Types of tests
- 1:02:38 If/else over polymorphism
- 1:04:48 Pattern matching
- 1:07:53 Sponsor: Outshift by Cisco
- 1:08:58 Vendoring
- 1:12:13 Big opportunity
- 1:18:04 htmx 2.0
- 1:20:31 Connecting with Carson
- 1:21:37 Closing thoughts
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This episode was published on June 18, 2025.
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