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Jun 18, 2025 1 hr 23 min

The CEO of htmx likes codin' dirty

from Changelog Interviews

Jerod is joined by Carson Gross, the creator of htmx –a small, zero-dependency JavaScript library that he says, "completes HTML as a hypertext". Carson built it because he's big on hypermedia, he even wrote a book called Hypermedia Systems. Carson has a lot of strong opinions weakly held that we dive into in this conversation.

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  1. 0:00 This week on The Changelog
  2. 1:17 Sponsor: Retool
  3. 3:16 Start the show!
  4. 4:15 Getting htmx attention
  5. 9:08 Viewpoint origins
  6. 12:39 Hypermedia distilled
  7. 14:57 Why html lacks
  8. 18:49 What htmx adds
  9. 23:27 Echoes of jQuery
  10. 29:29 Sponsor: Depot
  11. 31:38 Gumroad didn't choose htmx
  12. 38:40 Making money
  13. 43:31 Codin' dirty
  14. 48:37 Big functions
  15. 51:56 Types of tests
  16. 1:02:38 If/else over polymorphism
  17. 1:04:48 Pattern matching
  18. 1:07:53 Sponsor: Outshift by Cisco
  19. 1:08:58 Vendoring
  20. 1:12:13 Big opportunity
  21. 1:18:04 htmx 2.0
  22. 1:20:31 Connecting with Carson
  23. 1:21:37 Closing thoughts

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