The Champ, The Prem, and the future of English club rugby

An episode of the The Ruck podcast, hosted by The Times, titled "The Champ, The Prem, and the future of English club rugby" was published on September 30, 2025 and runs 66 minutes.

September 30, 2025 ·66m · The Ruck

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Promotion and relegation, franchising and the rugby pyramid; these are all issues that are so fundamental to the state of English rugby, and things so few people agree on. So, to tackle these meaty topics Will and Alex go to Twickenham to meet Simon Gillham, the chair of the new Tier 2 board, and vice-president of French Pro D2 side Brive. Can the Champ, which relaunches this weekend, and the Prem finally get on, coexist and thrive together? How could promotion to the top flight work? Will London Irish return like Worcester Warriors have? And Will there be an end to "self-interest" on all sides? We discuss it all, and rattle through the news from the opening round of the Prem, plus the finale of The Rugby Championship. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Promotion and relegation, franchising and the rugby pyramid; these are all issues that are so fundamental to the state of English rugby, and things so few people agree on.

So, to tackle these meaty topics Will and Alex go to Twickenham to meet Simon Gillham, the chair of the new Tier 2 board, and vice-president of French Pro D2 side Brive.

Can the Champ, which relaunches this weekend, and the Prem finally get on, coexist and thrive together?

How could promotion to the top flight work? Will London Irish return like Worcester Warriors have?

And Will there be an end to "self-interest" on all sides? We discuss it all, and rattle through the news from the opening round of the Prem, plus the finale of The Rugby Championship.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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