The Conversations We're Not Having About Sex

In the second part of our conversation with sex worker advocate Jenna Love and sexologist Dr Giselle Woodley, we examine what meaningful change actually looks like. From the classroom to the courtroom, we explore how evidence-based approaches can reshape our understanding of sexuality education and sex work policy. This episode cuts through moral panic to reveal what young people are actually experiencing and what research tells us works.This EpisodeJenna Love and Dr Giselle Woodley continue their candid discussion about:The critical gaps in current sexuality education and why teachers avoid talking about sexWhat teenagers really tell researchers about pornography and pleasureHow policy makers ignore research in favour of "vibes-based" decision makingWhy decriminalisation works and the voices often excluded from policy discussionsPractical ways to support comprehensive sexuality education and sex worker rightsMoving beyond fear-based approaches to embrace curiosity and evidenceQuotable Moments"If we were able to take away the morality and the vibes and just look at the facts, we'd be able to see that the sexual risks are not inherently higher or worse than other things." - Jenna Love"What about the beautiful side of sex? Imagine if we had these conversations... You can really connect with someone, you can be vulnerable and be yourself and have beautiful, pleasurable experiences." - Dr Giselle Woodley"I would love it if our approach was broadly more evidence-based and less vibes-based in a lot of ways." - Jenna Love"When you are talking about any marginalized community, I think the key is to think about rather than 'how can I use my voice?' - it's 'how can I uplift their voice?'" - Jenna Love"It's really important to meet people where they're at. Not everyone's gonna go to a rally, but I think speaking up in whatever capacity you can is really important." - Dr Giselle Woodley"We really go to 'that's not working, that's harmful - ban, protect, regulate.' That shows no understanding of the plethora of experiences or the nuance." - Dr Giselle Woodley"A lot of teens are saying to us that unfortunately, consent education is only talking about sex in the context of sexual assault or unwanted sex." - Dr Giselle Woodley"I'd really like more curiosity and I'd like less calls for regulation. Because if we come to things with curiosity, then we're going to learn something from people we don't normally engage with." - Dr Giselle WoodleyKey InsightsThis episode reveals the disconnect between research findings and policy implementation, particularly around social media bans and sexuality education. Both guests emphasise how evidence-based approaches consistently show better outcomes than prohibition-based policies, whether in sex work or digital literacy education.Connect With Our GuestsJenna Love: President of Scarlet Alliance, co-host of Somebody You Love podcastDr. Giselle Woodley: Lecturer/Research Fellow at Edith Cowan University, co-founder of Bloom-EdConnect With UsFollow She Speaks on Instagram: @shespeakswellbeingstrategiesVisit our website: www.shespeakswellbeing.comA Note on ContentThis episode discusses sex work, sexuality, and related topics openly and thoughtfully. It's designed for mature audiences seeking evidence-based conversations that challenge assumptions and centre lived experience. While we discuss sensitive topics, we approach them with respect, nuance, and care.