The Creator of AGI, the Sophia Robot Told Me the Future | Ben Goertzel & Ivan Patriki On the Margin

Ben Goertzel coined the term "AGI" in a 2005 book, founded the field's first annual conference, and led the AI team that built Sophia, the humanoid robot granted citizenship by Saudi Arabia. He now runs an open-source AGI project and SingularityNET, a blockchain network built on the bet that artificial general intelligence should never be owned by a handful of Silicon Valley labs.Goertzel and Boaz Sobrado get into all of it.We cover:How Ben Goertzel coined the term "AGI" in a 2005 book that put it on the mapLeading the AI team behind Sophia, the robot granted Saudi citizenship"The creation of machines as smart as people... is almost inevitable"Why superintelligence could end in "utopia or annihilation"Ray Kurzweil's 2029 prediction, and why Goertzel thinks we're on trackWhich jobs get automated first once human-level AGI arrives (plumbers, roofers, electricians)The one category of job that may never go away: human-to-human connection"It'd be a great birthday present to get your kid" - on AI robot girlfriendsCosmism, panpsychism, and why he thinks a superintelligence could already surround usThe "longevity escape velocity" pill and living for millions of yearsWhy he'd kill a rogue AGI to save his wife and kidsWhy he thinks Sam Altman and Elon Musk both quietly abandoned "open" AIBuilding AGI on a decentralized network spanning 50 countries and 10,000 people"He was also funding Marvin Minsky and Noam Chomsky"Launching Omega Claw, his new open-source persistent AI agentRESOURCES & LINKS:SingularityNET: https://singularitynet.ioMORE OF BEN GOERTZEL:Twitter/X: https://x.com/bengoertzelLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bengoertzelMORE OF ON THE MARGIN:Website: https://www.themargin.tvSpotify:Main Site: https://www.on-the-margin.comMORE OF BOAZ SOBRADO:Twitter: https://x.com/sobradobInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/sobradobWebsite: https://themargin.tv/boaz-sobradoMORE OF IVAN PATRIKI:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/artiztSubstack: https://substack.com/@artiztTwitter: https://x.com/Ivan_patrikiInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/artizt/?hl=enTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ascendedTelegram: https://t.me/ivanpatrikiTIMESTAMPS0:00 - Cold open: "How important is it that humans survive?".0:53 - Welcome, calling in from an island off Seattle.1:12 - Transhumanist, cosmist, AGI builder: what Ben Goertzel actually does.2:40 - Mathematics PhD to Hyperion: how his AGI project works.4:16 - Coining "AGI" and leading the team behind Sophia the robot.6:47 - "Almost inevitable": why human-level AGI is coming.7:50 - Utopia or annihilation: the existential risk case for superintelligence.12:29 - 2029 prediction, and which jobs get automated first.16:15 - What young people should study to survive AGI.19:42 - The jobs that survive: human-to-human connection.21:19 - "When do I get an AI robot girlfriend?".22:34 - Is building AGI the closest thing to building God?.29:43 - The longevity escape velocity pill and living for millions of years.34:20 - Would Putin rule for a thousand years with AGI on his side?.36:31 - Why decentralized, open-source AGI is the real safeguard.38:18 - Does humanity even need to keep existing?.43:05 - Cosmism, panpsychism, and remote viewing, explained.49:02 - Is AI doom just a scare tactic for investors?53:09 - What actually separates AGI from Claude and ChatGPT.1:02:36 - Nuclear bombs, AI governance, and a one-world government.1:08:04 - How Ben actually makes money off SingularityNET.1:11:36 - Sam Altman, Elon Musk, and the death of "open" AI.1:15:11 - Jeffrey Epstein funded his AI research for 17 years.1:18:24 - "Did you ever go to the island?".1:20:22 - Final advice: build your own AI agent army. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.on-the-margin.com