EPISODE · Aug 18, 2021 · 1H 4M
The Curious Case of Business Ethics | Feat. Robert Chesnut (Former General Council of AirBnB)
from Utopia is Now · host Xavier Logan-Sievers
Rob is the former General Counsel and Chief Ethics Officer of Airbnb. Rob is a graduate of Harvard Law School and the University of Virginia. He worked for 14 years with the U.S. Justice Department. In 1999, Rob left the U.S. Attorney’s Office and moved to California to become eBay’s third attorney, handling a wide variety of litigation, IP and regulatory/compliance matters for the company globally. Later in his career, Rob joined Airbnb as General Counsel in the spring of 2016, where he grew the legal team from 30 to over 150 legal professionals in 20 offices around the world. Links _______________________ Find Rob & his book: https://www.intentionalintegrity.com/ Join our community: https://forms.gle/3gmq2WahzJZZ9Bny9 Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3jkFkD3 Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3A4PPjZ Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/2SwB9Jr Instagram/Twitter/Linkedin: @utopiaisnow Timestamps _______________________ 0:00 - Intro 2:29 - Diogenes the Cynic and the business world 5:00 - What the hell is a Chief Ethics Officer? 10:11 - Why did Rob become a Chief Ethics Officer? 14:21 - Rob's gripes with Milton Friedman 19:13 - How Important is a motive when doing the right thing? 23:51 - Rob's definition of ethics 27:01 - To what extent do companies, like Airbnb, do the right thing as a means to an end, rather than an end in itself 29:47- Shashwats Story & the business culture of India 37:49 - Where do we draw the line and hold people accountable for ethical quandaries? 42:57 - How to create a more empathetic legal system and navigate 'grey' ethical spaces? 46:41- How do we incentive ethical leadership? 50:39 - How do we create an ethical environment? 58:24 - How can we find the courage to be ethical leaders? 1:01:15 - What is Rob's Utopia? Mentioned _______________________ 1) Diogenes the Cynic 2) Brian Chesky 3)#MeToo Movement 4) Milton Freedman 5) Conscious Capitalism 6) Stakeholder Capitalism 7) Alex Edmans 8) Give and Take by Adam Grant 9) The Power of Ethics by Susan Liautaud 10) Gunda's (Hindi word for gangsters) 11) Free Will by Sam Harris 12) Paul Millerd 13) Mahatma Gandhi Credits _______________________ Cover Art: Airbnb Logo Music: A Journey Through The Universe – Lesion X
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Rob is the former General Counsel and Chief Ethics Officer of Airbnb. Rob is a graduate of Harvard Law School and the University of Virginia. He worked for 14 years with the U.S. Justice Department. In 1999, Rob left the U.S. Attorney’s Office and moved to California to become eBay’s third attorney, handling a wide variety of litigation, IP and regulatory/compliance matters for the company globally. Later in his career, Rob joined Airbnb as General Counsel in the spring of 2016, where he grew the legal team from 30 to over 150 legal professionals in 20 offices around the world. Links _______________________ Find Rob & his book: https://www.intentionalintegrity.com/ Join our community: https://forms.gle/3gmq2WahzJZZ9Bny9 Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3jkFkD3 Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3A4PPjZ Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/2SwB9Jr Instagram/Twitter/Linkedin: @utopiaisnow Timestamps _______________________ 0:00 - Intro 2:29 - Diogenes the Cynic and the business world 5:00 - What the hell is a Chief Ethics Officer? 10:11 - Why did Rob become a Chief Ethics Officer? 14:21 - Rob's gripes with Milton Friedman 19:13 - How Important is a motive when doing the right thing? 23:51 - Rob's definition of ethics 27:01 - To what extent do companies, like Airbnb, do the right thing as a means to an end, rather than an end in itself 29:47- Shashwats Story & the business culture of India 37:49 - Where do we draw the line and hold people accountable for ethical quandaries? 42:57 - How to create a more empathetic legal system and navigate 'grey' ethical spaces? 46:41- How do we incentive ethical leadership? 50:39 - How do we create an ethical environment? 58:24 - How can we find the courage to be ethical leaders? 1:01:15 - What is Rob's Utopia? Mentioned _______________________ 1) Diogenes the Cynic 2) Brian Chesky 3)#MeToo Movement 4) Milton Freedman 5) Conscious Capitalism 6) Stakeholder Capitalism 7) Alex Edmans 8) Give and Take by Adam Grant 9) The Power of Ethics by Susan Liautaud 10) Gunda's (Hindi word for gangsters) 11) Free Will by Sam Harris 12) Paul Millerd 13) Mahatma Gandhi Credits _______________________ Cover Art: Airbnb Logo Music: A Journey Through The Universe – Lesion X
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