The DC TV Talk Supercast - Spring 2017 Edition

Greetings and salutations and welcome to what we're calling the DC Supercast This is a special podcast that has been kind of put together by the hosts of Legends TV talk Which would be Kyle Krausey Matt Bell and yours truly will Benson We've decided to go ahead and interview the other TV talk show hosts And let them kind of wax a little bit about what they think might be coming up for their shows here in the home stretch of the TV season It's gonna be we're gonna be talking to Frank the host of Supergirl TV talk We'll be talking to Bo the host of Flash TV talk and we're actually gonna interview Kyle Krausey our own host from Legends TV talk He's kind of our biggest fan of Arrow So we thought we'd give him a shot and talk to us a little bit more about Arrow But first Bell Kyle and I sat down with Frank one of the hosts of the great podcast Supergirl TV talk He goes over thoughts of what this season have been how the changes for moving networks from CBS to the CW have gone And what he'd like to see come up next season. This is not a podcast or interview you want to miss So we're gonna switch right over now to Frank from Supergirl TV talk take away All right, so we are here live with Frank. He's one of the hosts of Supergirl TV talk Frank. Are you there?

Sure am. Hey guys. Hey So and Bell's gonna be in and out here, but we wanted to talk to Frank a little bit about Supergirl He's a host of Supergirl TV talk with him and Tim correct and Tim is somewhere singing final countdown over Europe. That's my understanding.

Yes Like a pied Piper leading his students across Europe and singing the final countdown. I'm not sure why he's a piper Pretty much. Yeah, it's a pleasure to be joining you guys. Thanks so much Well, we love to have you.

I mean, you know supergirl TV talks one of my you know I spent two hours a day in the car. So it's one of my weeklies I have a few you know flash TV talk supergirl TV talk Nerdist and you know so and I mean, you know as we're going on hiatus I don't know what I'm gonna do over the summer But I wanted to kind of get you know get with you and I wasn't get with Tim But you know you had to go be European I wanted to talk to you guys about like you know We're coming into the finale season here We've got like what four or five weeks when they come back in April 24th, right 25th Yeah, we've got we will have four episodes starting in late April going into into mace meeps into late May and that'll be it So now when you guys record you guys almost record like right after right we usually record Tuesday night the night after but But we have been known to record right away minutes after episode ends You know for special occasions or when when it's most convenient But yeah, usually for like premieres for alleys we tend to do them the same night. All right Well, so let's I'm looking right here and supergirl returns April 24th. So they should have a new cast by April 25th, right?

Right around there. Yeah, okay, please. We've seen something new so it all depends on when Tim comes back, isn't it? If he comes back, let's face it we have a new never mind Well, I just want to let me ask you this now I mean, okay this year supergirl.

There's been major changes from season one to season two You know they switched, you know when they film from that late of Vancouver They switched networks from CBS to CW. What do you think about the move like what do you think overall season two? What have been your thoughts? It's definitely a very different feel on the CW than it was in CBS I mean on CBS it was very very season one was very focused on Cara and the supporting characters were just that supporting characters and while they had their Their story line the story lines their story arcs that that were sort of supporting They were not their own characters quite as much as they are this season so I like that Alex has had her own arc and Win and like all these characters and even John have had these stories of their own that are being told, you know More fully more fully formed.

So I like that Though that's something that I do like on the other hand, you know, there is something to be said for there was more Cara More of the time in season one whereas she because the other characters are more prominent now There are times when she kind of takes a little bit of a sideline So there's you know a little bit of good and bad overall I've enjoyed season two, you know, immensely and I think that it was it was the right move It puts it in the same format sort of as flash and arrow and legends and in terms of the stories are formatted similarly And you end up with you end up with a really good show a really fun show So it's more like you're kind of you're kind of down with like what some people have thought with regards to supergirl becoming more of You know moving towards the CW mindset of first season being the hero by him herself and season to be more about team Supergirl this year or see team flash team Yeah, you're good with that. I'm all right with it You know so far because it's been a lot of fun like I said to see Alex see when these characters who are Really really fun in the way they're fleshed out And so yeah, I'm all right with it being sort of team supergirl because she's still very clearly at the helm You know, she's she's the leader without without a doubt So I don't I've heard the complaints in the commentary that oh, she's you know a secondary character in her own show I don't agree with that I think she very much very clearly you know the lead character But there happened to be other characters as well and more of that Excellent, well, I know Cadmus is the big bad for the season How do you think the season will end and with that in with that in mind? I mean news broke today I mean hours before the of this that Superman will be coming back for the season to finale So what do you think his role will be in the finale? My hope is that his role will be a Supporting one.

I mean superman is my favorite my favorite, you know, comic character Well time don't get me wrong, but this is supergirl show and they've been really good about his couple appearances at the beginning of the season They've been really good about making sure that he didn't overshadow her And you know she has saved him several times now between season one season two So I am really excited he's coming back. I think his role will be more of you know helping her letting her be the You know be the lead and he will be like there there to support her I I think that in an effort to take down Cadmus and this is not a this is not spoiler at all This is just my guess and my speculation I think an effort to take down Cadmus Monelle will end up sacrificing himself in some way and You know, I think I think he will either Either and I doubt he'll die. I think something will end up happening to him either. He'll have in the Phantom Zone or That's what's my thinking right there Or he'll go to the future and being with the Legion or be a founding member of the Legion or something something along those lines I would personally love to see him in the Phantom Zone.

That's that's my that's what I would like to have happen I think that then there's space for him to come back in some form and there's some sort of unrequited like oh I have to be in here because of lead poisoning and I have to stay here But you know we can't communicate with each other once in a while and you know the longing for each other type of thing is I'm interested in so I think that that could be cool to have him go back to his comic book roots and And I have him do it to save the planet or save Kara You know after having learned from her how to be a hero I think would be really really a good payoff for his character and has a role in that in in helping Kara save save the world save That might be what they have to go to him to get the famous own projector or however they choose to do it So yeah, so you would be you would you let's let's put this let's put this right out on the table Do you want a legion like you would you like to see a legion show like say season four of legend or season three of legends? And and all of a sudden they're like okay. We're done legion superheroes next year. Oh there.

I'm there I mean they've already shown us in Supergirl and on the flash that the show is Legion rings in both shows So we know it exists in this universe So I see absolutely no reason why not to have a legion I know I I am not a huge fan of Legion in Italy and I've said this on our show I you know I Legion stories are not always the most exciting to me whether in comics or or on TV You know whenever I've seen them in animation or like on small bill for example in live action So they're not always the most exciting to me But still I would love to see where this team You know this new producers of her lanting and Christberg and this whole team would where they would take a Legion show I think that really fun, especially if it was sort of a spin-off You know having one L or having some characters maybe characters from legends to you know kind of play a role there I love those characters too. So I look to see these characters You've come to know in love place and kind of a role with the Legion that it really fun So what would you like to see them differently in season three of Supergirl? I mean, I'd really like to see I'd really like to see some something They did really well in season one was bringing in some of Supergirl's specific villains That are kind of paired with her and and they just got a pretty small you know specific Supergirl rogues gallery But I really like seeing Silver Banshee and you know some of those characters appear in season one and I'd like to see that come back in season three not if they didn't they didn't they did more Superman villains in season two you know with michis bitalik and Matallow and I would even say leave a loser like she's She's sticking around to which which points I've been fascinated by her because I have not been able to tell is she gonna She evil I just cannot you know nail down because one minute I think she's evil next minute. I think she's good I think there have been signs on both sides of that to keep us guessing So I'm glad she'll be staying for season three That's been confirmed and I'd like to get to the bottom of her arc and finally I'd like to see Maxwell Lord come back with the Omegahedron and pay that off very much Well speaking about season three going off of Bell's question James James has not had that much screen time this season So do you feel that James is a needed character going forward into season three?

You know that's a tough question I'm James is one of my favorite characters. I feel like he's being underutilized I feel like he has so much to offer the history of you know Jimmy Olsen is Such a rich history that I feel really really should be explored more There's so much there's so many stories that can be retold and adapted in this format that are that aren't right now And I'm I am a little sad that we haven't seen a lot of in season two that he kind of took back seat because his you know Main role in season one was to be Was to be this Just love interest. Yeah. Thank you for for Cara and once that storyline went away And they decided to be friends he kind of just disappeared and you know He's been doing the guardian thing But but I haven't been really satisfied with that storyline and he hasn't he's been pretty absent for a lot of time So I do feel he's needed because I think you need him to be that tie back to the Superman mythos and he's he's the only character We have right now who's like part of the actual Superman team, you know like there's no love is there There's no but he's he is the tie so I love I love having him there And I wish that we had him as much as we didn't see someone so I hope that he Plays more role in season three well, let me ask you that I mean do you think then that the writers in trying to make in trying to change him from Jimmy to James and in trying to take This character who's always been a secondary kind of he's kind of in the forgive me for the you know for the he's been the victim Like he's been like the boyish girl in stereotypical 60s comics where he was always the one getting into trouble Because Lois Lane was this superhuman powerhouse and while she was still getting in trouble He was kind of acting more like the stereotypical damsel in distress, but he was a guy Yeah, I think changing him to James I mean I've often positive the fact that I think they wrote themselves in a corner and it's not Jimmy per se It's it's something different.

I mean what do you think about that? Is that kind of do you wonder about that at all thoughts? Yeah, I mean, you know Let's go back to the origin of the character the character started on the radio show the Superman Metro Superman radio show in the 40s because they felt like they needed to have a young character that the young male audience the boy You know young boys listening to the radio show every day could identify with Dick or so so exactly it was exactly the great and same thing So people felt like they needed to or the writers at the time felt like they needed to have his character And obviously then he played into the comics and he was on TV and eventually movies and everything else But I I I think You know, so yes the character has evolved there have been versions of this character though that are not sort of the damsel in distress You know there have been versions of this character I mean even as recently as lowson Clark in the 90s and even to some extent small bill like that you can tell stories about About Jimmy Olsen I mean you can tell him James whatever right you can tell stories where he doesn't have to be sort of the oh No, help me Superman. Here's my signal watch come find me right you can you can do fun storytelling with he's a supporting character You know at the game super nice to raise at the daily planet and then he's you know He's been he's been clogged to roommate at times things like that.

You can do fun stuff like that Where he doesn't need to be sort of a? Helpless person he can still keep some of the guardian stuff going around So I feel like there is a way to do it in which he doesn't need to be like that And then he can still play a larger role than he has been playing season two So I hope to see something like that. Maybe they do feel like they've written themselves into a corner I don't know I hope that if they do feel that way that they write themselves out Because I think he's a worthwhile character I think I would I would think part of their problem has been putting him in this position putting him in the cat-grant office Like they need that voice. That's what's never always provided But now he hasn't been around in a while yeah like They needed that voice back and he needs to kind of go back into being an underline You know and and that way he could be around when she's causing trouble as opposed to being the boss going what the heck's going on Car even though he's not a boss now, but you know it's an interesting concept an idea so yeah I think that maybe maybe what they should have done was you know have snapper come in at and replace Cat and her old job and be in her office and have James You know stay at the sort of the same the same level He was at and leave that leave that in place I feel like that's maybe would have been the better move But you know who might say I'm not I'm not right for the show and I really love what the writers have done So I'm not gonna criticize them, but my personal opinion.

Maybe that would work better in terms of like characters like It's that sky ha ha take you yeah Um, so Alex had a big big change this season in terms of coming out as gay. How do you feel about the changes? To her character hasn't been a win or has it been distracting to you in a hole total win total win for me I think that it was it was an unexpected move and it was such a good move because I mean look at if you look at Twitter You look at tumblr or even just like reading emails that we received to the podcast and even is built into like iTunes reviews too People are so people who I mean young young gay women who who enjoy the show who were already looking to superhero for a Female here they could look up to are now finding not only that super girls are here over them But that Alex is a hero for them and what she's gone through this season and I've gotten Dozens of emails this season from young gay women saying like you know Thank you so much for talking about Alex in a positive light and not just sort of you know Dumping on her and criticizing her or it's so important to have this kind of representation and to have it be positive and to have it be Not a big deal like the fact that when when she came out to the rest of the cast, you know in the alien cantina bar there Oh, okay, cool like moving on I love I love that She's accepted and she is a sort of a role model for for young women who are going through the same thing She is so I really value that you know, it's not it's not it's not the same personal significance to me Right that's not my experience, but I'm so happy for the to have to read all the feedback from people online and in our inbox From from people who really are affected by this. It's just a beautiful beautiful thing to see so it's only a win to me Do you want to see any more crossovers with the other CW shows now that it's on the same network?

Oh, man I just hate when all my favorite characters get together and there's really fun story Of course I want to see Like of course like that was as much as there was some weirdness with this year's big crossover of like it was only in like 30 seconds Of Supergirl and then it was in the flash and Arrow was the hundredth episode And then it kind of paid off in legend So it was sort of up and down and all over the place if you watch all four nights So it was super fun to see like the flash and Supergirl and green arrow fighting freaking aliens Like so so yes, I do want to see more of it I loved the duet crossover with the supergirl in the flash as well the musical crossover that was really fun That's something it's him and I called in our very very first episode of our podcast Literally in the title of the episode music was again. That was a fantastic episode It was it was so much it was so much fun like that we like jokingly called it and then it actually happened most years later It was not so that was really fun to watch though the big four night event is really fun to watch hopefully the next time They do it it will be a little more comprehensive and all the shows will get to participate And be part of the crossover a little more fully and the story will sort of you know flow better But but it was insanely fun just to watch something that when I was a kid Like I never would have dreamt of I mean even like five years ago I wouldn't dreamt of when smallville was on the air I frequently reference my book is it was my favorite it is like my favorite show ever And one of my favorite shows ever it um it was sort of like oh man They're gonna do a Justice League episode except you know, they're not really just to get and they have to wear like It's just so we're just gonna have them wear like hoodies that kind of look like the costumes Because you know it's like it doesn't say so we're not ready for like you know, it's too it's still to Audiences aren't ready for that yet, but like now look over how far we've come in in like 10 years where we have a comic book We come out on in theaters like every three years six months and and and CW has four DC comics shows, you know, what for for tonight's the week like that's uh, I don't know It's pretty great in my book. So yeah, I want to see more of this stuff because now we're at a place where this is possible with like amazing effects amazing Storywriting amazing directors being pulled in amazing talent, you know actors So so I'm all for it like like bring on the crossovers don't over do it I think one or two a year is a good pace and and and keep it to a good level of quality like they have and I want to See as much as they can give us all right. Well, that that's kind of what we have here Why don't you tell us about your podcast where they can find it when you guys record?

You know, give us a give us your super duper plug for super girl TV time All right, sounds good. You can find us at supergirl TV talk calm basically Tim and I get together every week after this new episode of super girl and we talked through it We read listen to emails we talked through the entire episode and stop along the way to You know sort of geek out and and you have our commentary on it you have our predictions for what we think is gonna happen next and We kind of cap things off at the end with talking about you know, whatever happened in the trailer for the following episode Maybe some speculation based on that kind of thing so it's a lot of fun We always love getting listen to emails and iTunes reviews videos on the show super girl TV talk calm We can follow us at TV super girl on Twitter And and those are those the main ways you go to super girl talk calm You'll find out how to send his emails and everything else right there We've got a new site that we're pretty happy with so check it out And you can of course find us on iTunes and Google play and you know satchel and everywhere else Alright, well, thanks so much Tim Kyle Bell everybody. Thanks. It's been fun We'll see you guys soon.

Thanks again. Thank you Frank. Thanks Frank. Thanks.

Bye All right, I want to thank you Tim for giving us that interview there We are now going to interview the incredible the abdible the effervescent Bo York from flash TV talk We got a chance to sit down with him a little bit to talk about what he thinks about season three where he sees things going in season four and Just general hilarity will always ensue Bo's been one of our greatest supporters here at Legends TV talk He even kind of hung out with us one point this season So we're gonna bring Bo in here now and I really think you're gonna enjoy this interview with him here is okay up next We're going to be speaking to Bo York He is the host along with our own Matt Bell flash TV talk which is the probably would you say Bo the premier flash? Podcast out there right now. I would say that we are the number one rated flash podcast that He's claimed that for sure well, that's awesome. So you know that in actuality I mean that's how I came to start doing this and I think Kyle too I mean we both did podcast before no no no no you can't blame me for this guys You were my inspiration, but you're my personal hero.

Oh, man. Okay. This is getting deep creepy and and flattering really quickly Yeah, don't worry. No worries.

No worries by the way. That was a lovely shirt you were wearing today, but um Sorry, I'm getting the camera. Are you pulling on me? What's going on?

Something like that. So we want to talk today Like I like I we've already interviewed supergirl Frank over supergirl And we're interviewing Kyle for to talk a little bit about arrow But we want to talk to you as we get ready for the the big spring push the big spring sweeps period as it were Leading up to the season finale of the flash We just kind of want to give you a chance to kind of talk a little bit about what you think's gonna happen Where you think things are gonna go how happy you are what you would like to see next year all that sort of stuff So I mean I want to start off by just kind of asking How do you feel this season about the flashpoint repercussions like the change in vibes history killer frost becoming part of this world? Kid flash and please don't think part of your world from over me now anything else it kind of the repercussions of flashpoint How do you feel about that this season? You know, I know a lot of people kind of going into it had some pretty high expectations It almost seemed like the excitement was it like prequel level Excitement where just everybody had kind of this notion of what they wanted flashpoint to be and you know I said several times going into the season that I did not expect You know us to be in like a flashpoint universe I knew what I wanted but I also knew what was more realistic and being like, you know Maybe if we're lucky a few episodes and you know They really took it in a very different direction and they made it their own that's something that the series and in fact Just kind of this universe this creative team has done over and over again as they've taken some excellent source material And they've really made it their own and that's not you know, that's not a bad thing in the slightest You know the repercussions of flashpoint have been interesting to follow and it's also What's the best way to say it's added to the lore of how the flash series is interpreting time travel and how that is impacting?

You know, we we see how the rules kind of change from time to time Specifically within the context of the flash and so as the rules change It's kind of the the wait is on us I guess as viewers to kind of piece together why they're different this time It's kind of you know if we saw it happen it must be true So now we have to kind of head cannon our way around you know So how does history change of this timeline yet? You know, you've art on was actually Harrison Wells even though he's eradicated from time You know, this is all of these levels and layers they've incorporated into this extremely messed up timeline and flashpoint Just kind of adds a new dimension into that and so yeah, I've actually really enjoyed it Do you feel it was used to write them out of a few corners? Okay, wow, that's a really good question Bell because it kind of feels like they didn't know how to get Caitlin from Caitlin to Killer Frost in a way that was organic or because they just didn't do it at the beginning How do you feel on the contrary? I think they could have used it to etch a sketch if you will do a new 52 type of you know It's time travel We don't have to explain it just everything's the way that we want it now But they have consistently not taken that route I mean, you know something that you guys have actually seen on legends is what appeared to be this amazing way of bringing you Barthan back a quote unquote amazing also, you know theoretically sort of like cheap of like here's the McGuffin device It's going to make all of all of the things back the way we want them to be but even with that device in play You know, they don't do it And so you know here with with flashpoint they had an opportunity to really make some things maybe clean some things up And I think the contrary is the situation rather than clean things up They made it even more messy and that's not a bad thing I think a messy a messy timeline messy characters make for good stories when they're crafted appropriately and when the landing is stuck And I think they have been building to stick the landing here with the story, you know Caitlin in particular You know, I think there's a natural story to get her killer frost You know all the only element that was needed was her metagen activated and so from that standpoint That's really the only thing that we saw happen You know, that's the one difference that happened in between pre flashpoint and post flashpoint and that honestly could have happened at any time Like you know, there could have been a explosion at star labs right next to the cooling system and you know, but I'm being bought You there so another another meteor shower is it where exactly?

Well, you know, speaking of kind of you know You're referencing smallville and how they did at the end of season four as kind of a way to refresh the bad guys You know, I've been kind of speculating for some time that something like a another particle accelerator Situation would probably happen around this time and it sort of did just in this case It was you know timelines converging and that sort of thing and alchemy and our own little McGuffin device over on a over on flash You got to have a McGuffin device. That's that's cool. We're familiar with that with legends Would you say flash is better this season or less season? Bell, how dare you?

Bell, you ignorant. No, I'm not gonna actually say that. Uh, yeah So hmm, I think so I think so I think that last season They there was a gear shift mid-season last season of season two There's a gear shift around the middle of the season and some of the bigger moves and later season didn't necessarily match up with what came before To the point where the ending felt very forced and somewhat trite You know the idea is like oh well, he's just crazy that seems kind of like a I don't know that that seems a little it cheapens The impact of the villain if at the end of it they've they've seemed kind of crafty and they've seemed like they've had this massive plan But when it all comes down to it, it's really just let's just race each other Um, it kind of felt like an Armageddon 2001 sort of thing maybe like they switched gears halfway through or well You know, I think and I could be wrong on this But but I got the sense that in season two they wanted to tell A story with jay garrick and with zoom and they decided to change things up and so they made jay garrick zoom Now some people are yelling at their iPod that wasn't jay garrick that was you know, how does all of that? And I know he was on his element, but he was you know, he was jay karrick on earth too as well So, you know one way or the other the way they told that story did not sit well with me The very concept that jay garrick's helmet is the helmet of a slica a murderer is really really unsettling On top of that the murderer who wore it got it from his abusive drunk father It like they tainted the jay garrick helmet, which was really in my opinion probably the most egregious thing the series has done Now that being said, it's one of the very few egregious things and what has been an amazing series So, you know, the ending in my opinion that insta the landing of season two and that kind of has repercussions for how I can go back and watch that season with enjoying that So season two as it stands right now in my opinion, not the best season of the flash This one right here has been fantastic I mean really like we've gotten some story elements and some characterizations that I think kind of harking back to Season one, you know the villains in particular alchemy and sabotar I would have never imagined those two to be as compelling as they they have made them You know, this even you know the notion of who is sabotar They do it to us every single season this big big mystery like who's the man behind the mask and uh and it works so well And so i'm really excited to find out who sabotar is going to be when it's all said and done Um, and yeah, so they've really built up the threat.

Uh, this feels even though yes in fact We are dealing with another speed in other evil speedster. There's something different this time Uh every single time it's been a little bit more different right it's up the ante every single time and uh this season in particular I think it's been a ton of fun Well speaking of the end of last season, how would you like this season end? um Man, that's a good question. Okay, so how would so how do I want it to end or how do I think it's gonna end?

Yeah, yeah both questions. I guess how how do you think it will end and how do you want it to end? Okay, so I think what's gonna happen I think we're gonna end on a pretty dark note Uh because I believe that iris will be saved but that joe is gonna end up sacrificing himself in the process I think that joe is gonna end up dying at the end of the season I really don't want that to happen, but I have a feeling that it is um three seasons three parents one each season Right Something to that but uh, yeah I guess it really would not be a season finale without a parent dying and in berry's arms for sure But beyond that he they've that character stories kind of told or at least from from the standpoint I mean he's he's too happy and when when characters get happy, that's when you know they're about to die Because that's that's where they just you know pull out pull out the audience's heart just you know squeeze That's just i'm about to retire. I'm just bought a boat and I'm move move down to florida It's my last day of work that nothing could happen today.

That type of thing. Yeah, exactly Family guy of course, um, but yeah, so I think that joe's gonna die I think it's gonna end on a really dark note from that standpoint Um, which I don't know that I necessarily want I like I do like the idea of ending on a little bit more of an uplifting note And I think that that can be done and still leave some pretty significant cliffhangers I think you know I think the fact that we know what we know that next season the the main villain is not going to be a speedster I think you know setting up something from that standpoint can be kind of a nice way to end the season without having to End on a funeral, but let's be honest. It's gonna end on a funeral So then let's keep going on this on the finale here. Okay, who do you think sabitar is?

Oh? Okay, so there's a lot of great theories out there And I see the merit in all of them You know one of the most popular theories is that that sabitar is berry from the future You know on the future flash it's quoted quite a bit I still think that there is a ton of evidence that supports the idea that sabitar is actually HR that he is Harrison wells of earth 19 I Realize that a lot of people don't like that idea because I think it's a little bit too much like oh tom cabin is the bad guy again Although I would you know I would argue that you know, we've never we've never seen this for one thing We've never seen an evil Harrison wells. We never actually seen an evil Harrison wells We've seen you know Eda Barthon portrayed you know pretending to be Harrison wells We saw Harrison wells of earth 2 who everybody thought was evil, but it was actually not Um, so you know there is always this the villain being tied to wells and so I get that people don't necessarily like that concept I just think there's a lot pointing to it being you know Harrison wells of earth 19 And so I'm still kind of I'm still kind of hanging my hat on that but I've seen a lot of great theories man I've seen a lot of great theories master on so okay, so which one you know pying the sky time if you were ready yet Which one would you make it would you get Harrison wells or would you make it somebody else? Oh man?

Um, you know, I it's funny. I guess if I was the one calling the shots I probably would not have tied sabotage directly to any one of these particular characters um Just because I think that there's something you know having kind of a freshness involved of it being kind of a holy unique Take on on maybe even like an evil speed force. Maybe something like the the negative speed forcing carnet You know we get this idea that sabotara has been around since the beginning and that he's the first speedster There's clearly a lot of lore that that I think that sabotara has kind of created around himself across all all earths We also get a sense in which sabotara appears to be outside of the multiverse Like he seems to exist outside of the multiverse because of whatever's coming his way um that doesn't answer your question Gideon you know what I make a giddy Because there's still kind of this big in my opinion question mark of like, you know The giddy that you've got on legends which giddy is that is that giddy in before flash season one is that giddy in after flash season one We know that Barry actually creates giddy in so you know, there is kind of in fact sabotara said very specifically You know you're there when I'm I'm made into what I am and so you know there there I don't know it's not giddy. I'm just saying like if I was the one call the shots I don't know maybe I would work that out just so we could close up some loopholes in there as well Okay, so let's say it's finale night and they reveal who sabotara is Well, actually probably do it the week before which character on the canvas would just annoy you where you get out of the mic The next night and just be like, oh, that's it.

I'm you know, I'm really annoyed like who would that be? I don't I can't say that I'd be annoyed by being anyone in particular Um just because I've enjoyed the ride so much Uh, you know as long as as long as I don't take j gerex helmet and you know what what the floor with it What if it's gerex helmet as sabotara? Oh my gosh. Oh, okay.

Yes. Yes. Yes. That would annoy me I think his armor is made out of oh my goodness.

Yes, that would be that would be problematic. Um, but no man So in terms of like white characters I annoyed as not the word I would use but if it ends up being a future Barry Allen I don't like the idea of future Barry as a villain I know that there's basis in the new 52 for that and you know, I understand where people are kind of pulling from I don't think it makes sense Especially in a um a character that is like basically We've got a character in sabotara that is a causal loop Like that that's been very much kind of the theme of who this character is so unlike you know Somebody like e-bar where he's very susceptible to what's going on in the present present time Sabotara is experiencing the present time as his past like he said very he says very specifically that he He is you know everything that he is happening is not just his distant past but it's his personal past And so he's interacting with his own timeline his own personal timeline So if it was to be Barry Allen that would be in order for Sabotara to be future Barry Allen then Barry would have to actually be Future sabotara and I I just can't go there and yeah, so I'm not I'm not down with the future Barry I get it and I think there's been some great arguments made You know obviously next episode that we're getting is the once in future flash So I think some of that speculation will be either cleared up or firmed up in that particular episode But yeah, that's the one that that I would not be a big fan of which probably means it's gonna be future Uh, so what would you like to see in season four since we know there's not a speedster villain? I you know, I love that they've they've done the detective aspect Over and over again, but I also get the idea that's a little repetitive for people I mean in my opinion, it's detective comments. There needs to be a detective story involved Um, but I do get that it's repetitive for a lot of people So I think maybe telling a different kind of narrative where it doesn't have to be You know, who is the man behind the mask or you know?

Um, I think that if you know what I would love to see I'd love to see the rogues playing a big role I would love to see Caitlyn as kind of either the primary villain or you know in league with the primary villains You know, I've wanted actually since the gikko this idea of maybe doing a captain cold killer frost type of relationship where Um, you know, he's almost like this. Oh, this this dark evil obi one can obi teaching her how to be evil because everything we've seen from Caitlyn Is about emotion right like it's all it's all this kind of like um She's almost like a hulk right like it's very impulse driven. It's very anger emotion coldness But there's not necessarily a plan. She's not really got a grasp of like what it is that she wants to do as a villain She she now kind of tunes out the rest of the world And she no longer has the empathy that she does in kind of her Caitlyn persona But what does that mean at the end of the day if Caitlyn has no morals What is it that she wants to accomplish and what is it gonna take for her to have to do that?

And so I think that she will need some guidance on her journey on on whatever her destiny holds as a villain And so having somebody like a captain cold come in and experienced, you know an experienced villain experience killer Um could be really compelling now in order to do that you gotta have captain cold back and therein lies a bit of a challenge Which is that you know, he's dead or doesn't exist or whatever we are Um, but yeah, I would love to see captain cold come back I'd love to see the rogues and I'd love to see Caitlyn Um kind of brought up and do that kind of almost a twist on the hero's journey and make it like the villains journey Okay, so when you said detective stuff for a second there I was wondering if you were trying to say like you want to see maybe like then move more towards law in order which I think jesse Al Martin would be like well, I did that but He's gonna be dead though. You know, yeah So would you like to see more police procedural type stuff? Maybe you know move a little bit in that realm is that would that solve that? You know the whole mystery aspect that they've been kind of building every season with a who the big bad is if they moved more towards a procedural type thing or No, I would say that I think that That pom you know I do miss Barry only ever did it once but he did this Sherlock thing when he was you know on a crime scene and he was kind of taking stock of what was there And you kind of saw the way his mind works and how he was assessing Uh, you know what the I can't even remember exactly what it was but almost like the measurement of the body or something of that nature And so whenever we get a chance to see Barry Allen, you know as just a really good Forensic scientists.

I think that that can be that can be really great And actually I was going back and um watching arrow season two for a special episode that we did called arrow tv talks season two Uh and in that watching Barry, you know operate on Oliver and you know, he even says very specifically I usually I usually work with dead bodies or I've only ever worked with dead bodies and uh, you know Just kind of seeing him in that kind of role. He was almost doing he was Caitlin snow You know, I mean like it seemed very Facilitated a Caitlin type of role and so now he's had to kind of work his way into more of an Oliver type role and Caitlin is kind of taking that that space But yeah, no, I think um seeing Barry getting back to Seeing him use some of those talents a little bit more be it on the job or otherwise. I think it'd be a really great thing I think it really comes down to emotion and um and feeling some connection with whoever the villain is or whatever the stakes may be You know one thing that arrow did very well in its first couple of seasons was really establishing These emotional ties between Oliver and and the villain that worked extremely well in season one for flash with the connection with You know e-bards connection that he had with flash and just the complexity that he had with Barry and Having to deal with the emotional like connection. He was building up for somewhat.

He hated so severely You know, it just that was that was that was great. He felt that Zoom was uh, you know, zoom you never really felt the emotion so to speak I feel like with what they were trying to do with you know, quote unquote jay And the the emotional connection he had with katelyn always came across as a little forced And so you never really quite felt it there. Actually, I feel more connected to the relationship that katelyn has currently with Uh with as much call of malcomy, but with julian, uh, then I did with that. Okay, I still call him malfoi Oh, hey, you know He does look like malfoi doesn't he Malfoi who's all grown up now, um So uh, but anyway, I think rather than just like going kind of cop procedural versus mystery or anything like that I think the main thing is to find a way to have the villains connected with the characters Um or pose an emotional threat beyond just the i'm gonna kill everybody you love because that's something that we've seen You know, that's something that we've seen before but have it mean something have whoever That big bad is gonna be have that person mean something Uh to to our heroes or have them mean something to the bad guy You know, the other the other factor too is that we're dealing with time travel And so that opens up for a lot of ways for characters to be connected to one another You know the fact that sabatar You know is experiencing his past in the present Me like it gives you kind of these deeper emotional connections to everything that's going on between him and everyone else around them because you buy That he is very connected like he refers to them very personally, you know He refers to walli as wallis, you know, and even just when they've got uh alchemy julian under interrogation The way in which he converses or sabotarken versus through him to everyone is very familiar And so they've done a really good job in this season with that and so I think as long as they continue to do that And maybe just change it change up a couple of things here and there.

Um, I think that can that can work really well Well, as we all know the the rogues are some of flash's greatest uh villains enemies. Oh, what rogue is your favorite? Oh, okay, so captain cold probably without question is my favorite rogue, um, you know, eeabard is Eabard and encoder are my two favorites like flash villains, but in terms of like, you know, textbook rogue I mean you gotta go captain cold all the way Okay, so season four next season usually they try to add one or two people to the mix Who would you like to see added to the show? Is there anyone you can think of because I I have a thought but I want to see if maybe you know Who would you like to see added to the show in season four?

You know berry Always had a solid relationship with how jordan from the comics And you know, I know they've been teasing out, you know how jordan and kind of you know very much kind of in the background But we've seen before that they do pay that off. Um, and and they'll they'll wait a while to pay off some of those little tiny references in the background And so I think that bringing in how jordan he doesn't have to be the green lantern in fact I would even say maybe have him involved Sparingly this season and then maybe in the future have him play more of a major role either in this this you know Maybe in flash maybe it's a legend who knows but I think I think how jordan would be a great character to bring in Um, the other the other person and I would love this to be involved in season if not next season in the next But we gotta get bar we gotta get barred allen right You know, I think that uh, you know There's one of the one of the great things that the show has done in terms of increasing kind of diversity Uh with with the west family is that they've they've changed the the allen family tree in terms of kind of like, you know Not just not just we get oh, you know, you know Now that you know if iris is a you know an african-american woman and you know Her father's an african-american man, you know you start and kind of do the math even before they introduce walli and you realize oh kid flash is gonna be You know, we're gonna get a black kid flash right and then like you know For those of us who continue to do the math and be like oh wait a minute That actually means that that bar is gonna be black as well And so we've actually got a you know some a very diverse flash family Right in a way that we've never seen before and so I think that there's kind of an aspect of Um, maybe wanting to keep bart a little bit closer to the chest because they've been toying around especially this season with a will they won't They with berry and iris and so you know to have uh, you know to have bart on the scene is gonna confirm a lot of things Um, you know in terms of who exactly his parentage is And so I think that you know one of the things that as we finish out this season with what I hope will kind of be a solidifying of berry and iris You know, we don't have to have a will they won't they anymore after the season I think they've done a really great job with it now We can kind of move forward with that solid relationship and so I think having them maybe even as they're planning their wedding Meet their grandson could be a really interesting and uh, it kind of funny funny thing You know what I mean? And so I think there's a lot a lot of fun to be had there and so yeah I I really want to see bart allen play play into this, you know We've got to have the big moments where we have airy walli bart and jay Uh, you know teaming up and you know what's beautiful about that And the way that they've told this story is that the flash family is truly a flash family We have a walli and again, this is about the show runners really making it their own We have a walli who's not just enough you but is actually, you know an adopted brother of berry And they they share so much more of a family connection than then walli in berry had in my opinion Are the original walli rather from the comics had that niv berry so they've got a stronger bond there They've made jay garrick not just this flash of another of another earth But the doppelganger of his father like there is there is on some Multiversal level a biological connection between berry and jay garrick and then of course on top of that bart allen Who's always been you know kind of tied more directly in terms of berry's lineage Uh, this is just it's such a amazing way they've woven the flash family to be even more of a family Uh, then than just in name only and so I love that I love that you know, we have to be building to that moment So whether that's this season this coming season rather or next season we just got to have bart allen Oh man, you know what let me change my answer for how I want this season ends I want bart to pop up the berry. I want bart to like, you know, it's your kids marty They're from the parents, you know or something like that.

You know, I'm gonna have that. I'm gonna go Well, what you don't know who I was trying to think of though I kind of want to see allen gated man like I want to see a Ralph and a really okay I mean because they were so associated with berry allen like, you know, they were very tight That's that's a difficult power set to pull off on telive That's just a difficult power set to make look right no matter what actually right But I just there's because that would also bring back the detective story because again allen gated man is very much like Batman light You know with that and we get the nose so Not the right under parade, but I think they actually might be dead in this universe No, yeah, I think when um Oh, yeah, that does kind of bring it down. The bart thong was talking to blackout. I think it was the episode the first season When flash lost his power to the first time because he got It by lightning by that one guy camera, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah He did list off a bunch of names that I think one of them was roughed in me Ah, I gotta go back and look at that that that makes me sad I mean I love the idea of bart too, but I've always had a thing for rough and so so I agree with you. I just it's just sad that they killed them off right away I mean they're fine elongated man, you know Is it a long gated man or elongated man? It's elongated Long gated man, but then you've also got plastic that as well. So there's good.

You imagine imagine sisco naming him Or just yelling at him about the name like really that's what you went with yeah, I don't know man That's tough. That's a tough move set or power set to show showcase and the character I don't know that there's enough equity there unless unless you go with like a um You know if you wanted to go with a uh was identity crisis type of story arc Oh, oh, I mean you you could kind of lay some groundwork there But I would even argue that you can go you could do that story without having to have a long Adman and so you could use other writers Um, well, one of the major things that happened this season was the big crossover with all four shows With the invasion and then later on in the season was the crossover with supergirl with the musical episode How do you personally feel about the crossovers and what would you like to see them do with it in the future? Would you like to see more or would you like to see less? You know the first ever crossover was really solid.

I thought um I know it had its critics Especially on the way that they kind of handled uh rainbow raider and you know kind of wrapped him up in like two seconds at the very taillands That's a character by the way. I hope we see again because I think they're barely Just scratched the surface with what they could do with rainbow raider um the The crossover episodes in my opinion work better When they serve to move both stories forward and they don't take a break to go do something separate Altogether, um, that's really tricky to do. I mean the more the more shows we have the the trickier it becomes uh You know the other factor too is just the the relationships that exist like the berry Oliver relationship I totally love I like their dynamic. I think it works really well.

The berry cara dynamic is one of the best in the entire universe Um, they've nailed this brother sister thing between these two characters like the chemistry between them is amazing Uh, in fact, probably he probably has better chemistry with her than he does with most people Uh, you know most of his friends from his own universe Well different though. I would I would actually argue the chemistry that he's got a ton of chemistry with iris But that's like intense romantic chemistry like with cara. There's no romance between them It's very much a he's got a better sibling chemistry with her than he does with iris And that's probably for the best when it's all said right. Well, I was gonna say it's like, you know Yeah, they can never move from brother and sister chemistry to romantic.

I mean, how would that ever work? That just got awkward the problem But the problem overall I think is really about kind of the large crossover I think that because flash is dealing with time and because legends is dealing with time Uh, and the fact that they're both dealing with time in very different ways creates a lot of problems And so you know like this big crossover that we've got this this last past season was heavily problematic Especially because everybody was on berry alan's case for changing the universe when you're you guys over on legends, man They do that like you know every single Thursday or whenever that show was coming on back then before it moved time slots You know what I mean? Like and i'm like we broke down to source to LA. Oh wait.

Oh, oh, oh berry broke time because Cisco's was rich for two seconds and now he's not oh, it's fine. Oh, berry berry so wrong freaking legends has you know pyramids and aliens and You know pyruks in uh in central city or wherever they were at the end of the season So, you know, I think I think people need to cut very some slack from that standpoint legends of tomorrow that the self-imposed guardians of time are like they are supervillains in my opinion Wow They are super known They're being led by an assassin uh they eradicated the governing body that existed to protect time and ever since and they've been wrecking it Legends of tomorrow is by very definition of anybody outside looking in a team of supervillains Wow It's certainly going to look at it's prove me wrong. That's actually makes sense. I really can't argue the boy.

They're lovable. You know, but uh It was meck. Oh, he's the most lovable of them all. And so there you go.

I mean, yeah, they're super villains. Obviously they're trying they're trying but right Yeah, uh, that's just how I feel. That's just how I feel man. They could have uh, I'm still a little bitter that the legends did not end with a Resurrected cold and eobard.

I was I was really pulling for that and so y'all's finale I was I was I was a cool a cool moment the way that it ended but you know the fact that when it was all said and done we We didn't get to keep our toys at the end of it. That's um, they basically I just sketch it was like there was no reason for the season at all They put everybody back where they were. Yeah It's like, yeah, so what on this great ride and now we're back. Yeah, the rip is gone and we broke time and everybody's back when they belong And eobards either dead or alive.

We still don't know the fight scene was excellent and actually I love the moment between malcom and damian where they were like, you know, let's let's get back to basics And he pulls out his bow and pulls out his sword and I'm like, oh, that's awesome. Like, yes, actually I remember right before they said that I was like, why Malcolm doesn't need to be using guns. Come on now. He's the dark archer Well, um, that's about all the time we've got for this.

What's uh, real quick. Why don't you tell everybody where they can find you guys when you record, you know Uh, what's your you know, tell us about flash tv talk flash tv talk. That's right. The number one rated podcast for the CW television hit series the flash Uh, find all links to it flash tv talk.com But hey the way that you need to be listening to it is on the satchel podcast player Just go to satchel player dot com download that if you're not already It's a great player for a lot of different reasons.

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He'll be he's here. So Uh, you can follow bell at ring that bell, uh, you know, I spell my name be he spells his name B-E-L-L we make it complicated because that's what we started doing on another podcast called panel the screen Yes, we have two so check those out wonderful Well, oh, I want to thank you for just uh, you know coming in and talking to us a little bit about you about your show I want you to get the flash. Uh, hopefully we might try to do this again come towards fall You know get everybody psyched for the new season, um, but I can't recommend enough if you're listening to this You should be downloading flash tv talk however you're downloading podcast Thanks again, bow and bell and uh, and thanks kyle. We'll uh, we'll see you guys next time All right, well, hey, I just cut this in or otherwise, but I do want to say one more time I've I've said it before I'll say it again Uh, you guys have doing an amazing job with with legends tv talk I've been blown away Uh, you are the reason that I came back to watch legends over and over again because I was enjoying else podcast so much So thank y'all for the good work that y'all do with the legends tv talking for the dctv fandom at large you guys are awesome All right.

Thanks both. We'll see you soon Okay, I want to thank uh bow there for him coming in interviewing with us for a little bit Up next in our final interview with the night We actually went ahead and asked our co-hosts from legends tv talk to sit down with us and kind of I don't want to say we'll Get us over to arrow But just uh, talk to us a little bit about what it is arrow, you know, it's gonna be doing this season Uh, it turned into almost the sales pitch on his part to kind of bring us back into the fold You know arrow was the first show I think all of us started watching They let all of us to go to flash and legends tv talk arrow is really the foundation that this whole universe has been built on So it's kind of neat. It's kind of interesting to hear I hope you guys are going to like it So here is my awesome co-host kyle kraussi to kind of sit down with us and go over why we Should all sit and watch arrow so here's kyle for you All right, we are speaking live now with kyle krauss and uh, he is the co-host of course of legends tv talk your favorite podcast And he's also semi regular co-host of the atomic geekton podcast kyle. How you doing tonight?

I am doing well. Uh, don't do do not mind the uh squeaky noise. That's my dog in the background. Oh, we're very professional here.

No worries Very much indeed So um, so tell tell us a little bit here. Um, you know, obviously there's no regular arrow tv talk I know a bow and bell have kind of been uh doing it like here and there and they're doing it this season at the time But I mean you're kind of the arrow guy. Um, you know, I've kind of semi given up I'm sure I'll what I tend to do now is I binge it during the summer because watching it during the week I just get frustrated and annoyed sometimes but uh, you know, arrow's been the show with what seems like the steepest decline in the ratings What would you say would count for that? Uh, well a lot of the steep in the climate ratings I definitely believe has been the eliciting storyline and how it just moved from Just it being a focus on Oliver and felicity instead of the overall Story so they kind of see w didn't a bet.

Yeah, they see they see w did a lot. Yes. I I I've yeah, I've stuck with it. I've never missed an episode Um Everyone everyone was like always like oh season three and four were really terrible.

I'm like, what what are you talking about? There were some really good episodes. Everyone's forgetting that in the beginning of season three They they brought in wildcat. They brought in the the start of black and airy and they had a regular team arrow So there's there's a lot two of that people are forgetting and in season four You got the dramatic costume change which looks which looked a lot like um the new 52 style of it, right?

And then you also got introduced to magic and you said constantine in there and you have fixed it So there was a lot to it, but yes, a lot of a lot of it was the story revolving around alicity now that has since stopped and there's The ratings have gone up a little bit. Uh, people have are beginning to say that You know season five is getting back to its roots. Uh much like it's almost on car with season two Okay, well, I I can agree with you there. I mean speaking for me I think the problem I've always had with arrow is and I mean even this season, okay?

I mean I watched it during the um during the uh crossover obviously But it seems like what arrow does best is it starts well like you said they introduced wild uh they they worked You know laurel into the black canary role and you know season three and four they started well And then what happened was it seemed like again? They shift focus to the alicity storyline and they start to fizzle and then they lose focus and they'll go You know follow digl to the middle of iraq for some reason which seems to carry something I mean do you think that maybe there's the seasons too long? I mean do you think maybe they should lower down the you know number of episodes? I mean, how do you think things could be fixed?

I guess it's a really good question I mean because we haven't had alicity this year supposedly even though they're now the will there won't they? I mean, what do you think? A lot of people have been wanting to have like all these types of shows do like the Netflix model do 13 episodes and Then that's it for the season that gets the story done better I I like the longer seasons. I mean we get to stay with these characters longer and we get the develop we get the develop it more um Yeah, I I personally I would I like the longer seasons Especially like say I don't like for season four if they had a shorter season I don't think they'd be able to do constancy and they wouldn't be able to do vixen They wouldn't have been able to do the hundredth episode which brought back a lot of characters that have died So having having longer episodes I think is a must or at least a show like this Now I worked on legends a lot because that that was always going to be a shorter shorter episodes show Oh, right absolutely.

So then given that what would you say your favorite season is and why why season two? Um, it's everyone's favorite season. Yeah, um, that's stroke and wade wilson played a big part in olivers life on the island And then substantially off the island, uh, which made him a big thread to him and the city uh he had to he had to almost Almost go on the verge of killing slayed again quote-unquote to get the job done, but he had um, Felicity Use a use a mere crew deep power in arrow to, um level the playing field Which turned out to be one of the greatest fight scenes of that whole season And then you also get the you also get the introduction of sera's black and airy and you get rory roy roy roy as um As quote unquote speedy red arrow and arsenal Uh Coming to fruition and then I mean you also get the mask from berry allen you also get berry allen too So yeah, that's why season two is probably my favorite So, how do you feel about the newer characters this year? Uh, they're kind of shaking up the team.

What do you feel about that? Well, at first when they announced all these characters, I was like, okay, sweet. They're adding more DC characters wild dog. I've never I had never heard of before.

He's an old 80th hero He's an old 80th hero and then he's dressed just like that. Yeah, which is great. They they had um I mean just like they do with the comics, which is great. I love it.

I love it when they When they do that some of it doesn't always um work well the translation of costumes to tv but it worked for that and when they introduced reg man I mean again I had to look him up because I'm like I have no idea who this person is mr Terrific I knew about because he was he was on the justice league unlimited animated show so I knew that was and then Um, they had Artemis who I knew about because she was on teen titans. Yes, this is a completely different Artemis But I still I still had um background with the character and now they brought in uh, died of Drake Which is the golden age black and air which I'm like when that reveal happened on tv I'm just like holy crap. They know this is one way to bring back black and airy in In a good in a good way. Do I miss laurel?

Yeah, I I'm one of those people that actually did like laurel throughout the whole throughout the whole series And now that she's I mean now that katie kassy is coming back as black siren for season six I'm excited to see more of her on my television So so that you would say are you saying that you're officially shipping allia data? No, no I'm not shipping anyone because I'm not I don't work for the cw I don't have to ship. Oh, come on. You got it.

You got to ship something. I mean, that's that's bell saying you got to ship something Okay, the amaze. Oh, I'll ship the amaze. Oh Do records there you go.

Um No, I don't want to ship allian Dina because I those Those two characters aren't meant to be together. I will what? Not dina Drake. Well, I mean, there is no dina laurel lance anymore.

She's I will ship I will ship the heck out of laurel and all of her because those two are meant to be together now I foresee that as a problem act for earth one laurel to be with all of her but earth two laurel could definitely happen Yeah, well, I mean, I don't know I for me personally it's like, you know, this seems this version of black and airy seems more Black canaryish than laurel ever really did as far as the black and airy I like the spunky Uh, you know, not a lawyer more of a you know more rough a little rougher on the edges I could picture this one wearing fishnets and try to fight and fish nets at go go boots I was just gonna say they're missing the fishments and then bang you got her none. Yeah, so I mean for me personally I mean, there's a part of me. It's like but I'm an old green arrow comic guy like I mean I guess I wonder sometimes with the show if you know and I'll ask you this Do you think that maybe arrow could benefit from a shift in the tone moving away from this being more of the Batman of this universe To maybe more of the tone of the comic current comic in the older version of him which was he was far more social justice warrior He was much more liberal. He was much more like he was going after corporate fat cats And he was always screaming and hollering about how you know society is treating the downtrodden in the poor and the weak and You know being street level, you know, do you think maybe arrow could benefit as a show?

If they shift their tone to something a little bit more like that or do you think it would be too jarring to the base? I think it would be too jarring. Um if they if they shifted the tone to the hard traveling heroes with green lantern Well, that's it. That's the tone I'm talking about.

It's the same type of tone You did it for that, but they would have to have it with a haljour to Can't I don't think I don't think it will work now If if at the end of season four last year or at the end of season three, they moved they did they moved off the coast city Yep, yeah, they moved off the coast city and then if they were to have a like their dinners with um haljourton and Carole No, paris. I while I blanked their name. That's not that I love green green lantern If that was the happen that I could see the tone being like that, but they didn't do that So I don't right I don't think that shift will happen. Could it benefit it?

I don't think they want to shift their tone because they have they have flash as their their uh, their light So they need some of that be in the dark, which is which is this universe is there right now And I definitely get that I'm not so sure steven mel could pull that off anyway. I'd say the truth I couldn't see him. I think he could I mean you've have you seen the new turtles? No He's he plays a pretty light-hearted Casey Jones, okay Well, it wasn't more, you know the the version of green arrow that I'm used to and I mean I've just been rereading uh when they brought him back in the early 2000s when Kevin Smith wrote it and then Brad melter and then Jada or jutty habitat.

Yeah, jutty widdick and That version of ovali is I mean they really captured the essence of him That's my version of ovali because I've I went out and actually got that whole entire run before Yeah, before they went over to green arrow and black and re right and then I was picked up uh like jussellie cry for justice and the rise and fall of green arrow And such a great book. Those were those are fantastic books and those are fantastic storylines So I love I love that tone. He's still he's still more hard-hitting And he's not like oh, you know, yeah, I guess it's kind of what I was looking for too was like You know my when I say social justice warrior. I mean he's still ollie He's angry and he he loses his temper and he rails against the establishment Uh, you know like that issue of with kammit smith where they went to the watchtower And you know from start to finish that whole thing was great where he's like he's getting sick from the teleporters Like he used to do and then you know wonder woman gives him a kiss and you know march a manhooder's like Let me breathe your brain.

He's like nay He doesn't take much to figure out what's on my mind right now there john hold on, you know, it just I miss that I mean there's a certain aspect of humor To olliver queen that this version of olliver doesn't have he's not a lot of you know Whitty I mean he's kind of almost iron-manishing the comics that you know snarky, you know But right type of thing that olliver this olliver doesn't have uh, you know, so I just it's one of those things like I really kind of I miss that voice of olliver It's what I missed in new 52 when they recreated him and bringing him back to that now in the comics I'm reading green arrow again, you know Because they kind of brought him back. Yeah, so I mean but getting back to arrow So another hero another 80s hero, uh, they brought him in and they actually brought in his alter ego And they brought in the character of adrienne chase And then you know they did the spoiler they did the whole big switch there with making him the big bad of the season And instead of making him vigilante they made him prometheus What do you think about that? How do you feel about adrienne chase being in the big bad and is it kind of more is it kind of like flash season two where you think Maybe they were going somewhere else and then all of a sudden decided, uh, let's switch up I loved that reveal uh when that happened because no one was expecting it I was expecting him like, um, adrienne to be the vigilante just like everyone was But then when he took off his mask and it was adrienne being prometheus And i was like holy crap. They they did it They they kept it hidden from us just like they kind of did with uh flash and uh zoom in jake aric quote unquote jake aric So I love that.

Um, I I was okay I'm definitely okay with him not being vigilante because that just means that there's another character out there who's vigilante and that he's Someone out there that will eventually get to i haven't heard anything about them unmasking vigilante anytime soon Who do you think it might be? My guess it's probably someone on the uh, the uh, acu team that star city that uh mayor queen started up when he became mayor I kind of wondered if it wasn't uh lance I know lance. I would like it. I'd say I like it I'd just say it you know I had a feeling when they were I mean during the beginning of the season they were um There was like lance had a throwing star Yep on his table when he woke up from a blackout and i'm thinking oh that would be that would be pretty amazing to see uh quin lance as vermithias When he's on during his during his blackouts when he's drunk they didn't go that route But it would still would have been an amazing thing to do right.

I totally agree. How do you think the season's gonna end? Um well, uh quote from uh, mark guginheim saying that star cities safe this season Nothing was gonna happen in star city. It's not even the season finale is not gonna even be on or involved in star cities There's no terrorist attack or anything.

Um, and they recently came out with so people will stop moving out in may Yeah, yeah, that may be safe for them. Uh, I mean he recently came out and said okay, so 23 It's called leon you so I think the season finale is gonna end on leon you Um, and I think there's gonna be some well, they've already announced it. I mean terminators That stroke, uh, I haven't seen it announced but I saw from set photos that kept the boomerang is also returning To help with vermithias. I think Cool.

So I think it's all it's gonna be like a free for all i'm not a free for all but uh, um, talia and Adrian versus all of her Uh, that stroke and kept the boomerang all on leon you and i'm thinking that uh I think that uh, maybe death stroke will kill uh, prometheus and Captain boomerang and prometheus will be just let go. They'll be able to escape the island. So that'll give them something to do in season six Right, so which yeah I would love to see that happen. So so that is that what you want to see for next year or something like that?

Is that you know pines lifetime? What would you want to see? I would love to see almost something like with the robes what what could possibly happen on the flash with a big Supervilling group. I would love to see like all just mayhem in star city again with a whole bunch of villains steaming up together being sort of like an injustice league So to say or legion of boomer Didn't we try that?

Well, you know it technically it's been uh written out of history. So yeah, it can be done again So if you could get any new character brought to the show next year, who would it be? New or returning character new or returning but like somebody coming back either coming back to the show or somebody from like the dc universe proper brought over Ted cord Ted cord i'm looking at a good Maybe just kind of what they did with ray palmer in season three But I would love to have him be an out be a lot more of an ally than um What ray what ray was then he turned against them then he turned then he didn't help him again But I would love like to see Ted cord with his with his blue beetle and his blue beetle ship coming in right? Well the bug you gotta have the bug.

Yeah, let's get out the book. Well and not only that in the comics I mean cord had a thing for oracle. So you for barber you when she even when she was in the chair And you know, let's face it Felicity really she's bad. Really?

No, she's really oracle. Yeah, she's really oracle right, but she's really like the barber gorton Totally believable. I can't believe I never thought of this. It's totally believable where she he could even be her boy You know the guy she chasing her a boyfriend or whatever you have Ted cord show up and you know Well, they kind of did that with ray though.

I that would kind of suck. Oh Also a superhero Oh, and they kind of did it with kurtis. Here's my new friend. He's also a superhero Yeah, but he was cursed never went after Felicity.

Oh no, no, I'm not sure how I feel about that like I mean I like I love mr. Terrific and I like you know the comic version of him kurtis. I'm you know, he's not you know, he's not Steven, you know, no, he's not you know, and it's kind of like that Yeah, and the character Steven hold has got such a just in it over. Well.

I mean just the overwhelming positivity and the brainpower and the Always keeping yeah, he's keeping his cool at all times. He's just like yeah. What's going on? Look at my spears So it would be I mean but I mean on the other hand, I mean I like this version.

It's just different So let me ask you this now. We're going into season six. I think bell had a question here about the flashbacks bell So now that the flashbacks are coming to a close. How do you think that arrows going to adjust to that?

Well, the the five-year span flashbacks are gonna end but the flashbacks of other characters are not going to okay So they're gonna incorporate stuff like they've done in the past like with uh felicities, uh hacker days or john's uh service days They've They don't flashback to that so I could see them doing it every once in a while where when we come scary. Right. Yeah, they'll do that Maybe I can't even say they'll do a flashboard because that's lost and that that's a flash to go But yeah, the flashbacks of like having it be in every single episode is not gonna It's not gonna be it's not gonna be there. They're gonna be there, but not every single episode And so I mean, you know the big question obviously, I mean It seems like every year fewer and fewer people with you know, like we talked about the beginning How much longer do you think the show can go on how many more how many more years do you have how many how much legs does they have?

So I mean personally, I would never want the show to go off the air but it it will eventually go off the air I'm thinking I'm thinking maybe season seven be the last season. Uh, they wrap up the story and then maybe deal in the character They'll keep them around for um So Yeah, I'm I mean, yeah again. I would never want to see the show end because I was very skeptic at the very beginning I saw the very first episode or right before the very first episode. I'm like You know what this doesn't look like my green arrow that I'm used to Um, I'll give it a shot and then when I saw the first episode, I'm like, all right I need to watch more of this this this this needs to happen like almost every single day But of course it was a weekly show so yeah, so I mean yeah So almost five six years that I've been with this that I've been watching the show and I love every single minute of it Well, yeah, I can tell and I mean it's it is a good show like I said I'll probably catch up with it over the summer here But that we're pretty much out of time now So uh, why don't you go ahead and tell uh tell the good folks at home where they can they can find your podcasts that you're doing Obviously legends devie dock where we're gonna be honest, you know Pretty much a hiatus.

We'll have a few things here or there Uh, but uh, you know tell us a little bit more about the atomic eat them Well, uh the atomic eat them podcast is um Is a pretty uh hodgepodge of a uh of a show talk about a whole bunch of different topics Ranging from favorite books favorite movies childhood memories and everything. Um, it's a weekly podcast Um that you can find on satchel iTunes google play Um, and it's Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty amazing Show that I'm I'm glad to be part of now. Uh, then you can also I mean find me on twitter at cowlcrows89 Um, I try to tweet as much as I can I retweet a lot that I find interesting and amazing. So Yeah, that's me Well, awesome.

Kyle. I want to thank you for uh sticking around and uh talk to us a little bit about arrow Uh, we'll see you obviously. I'll talk to you again next year for legends tv talk and uh, thanks again brother. Thank you All right.

Take care. Thank you There you have it We have come to the end of the dc supercast for the spring of 2017 I want to thank you all for tuning in and listening today Uh, it was an honor to speak to all of our guests today from uh frank from super girl tv talk to bow from flash tv talk And for kyle and bell who are also my co-hosts on legends tv talk And even for my buddy tim who co-hosts the weekend geek podcast of will and tim I want to say thank you guys very much. We really enjoyed giving you guys legends tv talk this year and we're looking forward to next year We'll be back. Hopefully at some point this summer talk about comic-con and maybe do another one of these before the fall So with that i'm going to say take care and we will see you guys again soon.

Thank you again. Bye. Bye