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EPISODE · Jun 2, 2026 · 34 MIN

The Difference Between Hiring Help and Hiring Leadership (With Gillian Perkins)

from The Online Business Manager Show with Sarah Noked · host Sarah Noked

In this episode of The OBM Show, I’m joined by longtime entrepreneur and educator Gillian Perkins for a conversation about what operational leadership actually looks like inside a scaling business.Because at a certain point in growth, business owners stop needing more help…and start needing someone who can help hold the business together operationally.Gillian has worked alongside the same OBM for nearly eight years, and this conversation pulls back the curtain on what that long-term partnership has really looked like behind the scenes.One of my favorite moments in the episode is when Gillian describes her OBM as her “work mom.”The person saying:“No, we’re not switching platforms again.”“Remember the goals you set this quarter.”“You need systems before you need more growth.”And honestly? That description perfectly captures the value a strong OBM brings to a business.Because great OBMs are not simply there to complete tasks.They are there to:• create operational structure• protect priorities• manage moving pieces• make confident recommendations• bring consistency to growth• help visionary CEOs stay focused on the bigger pictureIf your business is growing but everything still feels heavily dependent on you, this episode will completely shift the way you think about operational leadership and the role a strong OBM can play inside a business.Connect with Gillian:https://startupsociety.com/Thanks for tuning in to The OBM Show - your go-to podcast for Online Business Managers and entrepreneurs who want to scale strategically and sustainably.If this episode resonated with you, be sure to follow the show and leave a review. It helps more aspiring and established Online Business Managers find this content and grow their businesses with confidence.✨ Ready to take the next step? Grab your free OBM Starter Kit → obmschool.com/starter Explore more tools and trainings → obmschool.com/resources Learn about becoming a CPD-certified Accredited Online Business Manager → obmaccreditation.com🧭 Not sure where to start?Find out your OBM Archetype and get personalized next steps → obmschool.com/quiz📺 Prefer to watch? Subscribe to our Youtube Channel and hit the bell icon to get notified when we drop a new video → youtube.com/@SarahNokedOBMUntil next time, keep building the business behind the business.

In this episode of The OBM Show, I’m joined by longtime entrepreneur and educator Gillian Perkins for a conversation about what operational leadership actually looks like inside a scaling business. Because at a certain point in growth, business owners stop needing more help… and start needing someone who can help hold the business together operationally. Gillian has worked alongside the same OBM for nearly eight years, and this conversation pulls back the curtain on what that long-term partne...

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