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EPISODE · Jun 20, 2025 · 53 MIN

The Economics of Paying People to Have Kids with Catherine Pakaluk

from The Narrative · host Center for Christian Virtue

Why aren’t Americans having babies, and can anything really change that?Economist and author Catherine Pakaluk joins CCV Policy Director David Mahan and Communications Director Mike Andrews to talk about her book Hannah’s Children, the roots of the birth dearth, and why baby bonuses and pro-natalist policies often fall short.Listen in for Catherine's take on how the state can become more pro-family through fixing housing, rethinking education, and restructuring welfare.Before the conversation, CCV President Aaron Baer joins David to break down a huge win at the US Supreme Court—the first major legal loss for the LGBT movement—and share highlights from the Fatherhood Commission press conference at the Ohio Statehouse, featuring leaders like former Florida Speaker Chris Sprowls, former NFL Viking Jack Brewer, and former Ohio State Buckeye Team Captain Kamryn Babb. Learn more about the Hope and a Future report at CCV.org/Hope.More about Catherine PakalukCatherine Ruth Pakaluk is an American economist and social philosopher at The Catholic University of America in Washington, DC.Catherine is author of the acclaimed ethnography Hannah’s Children: The Women Quietly Defying the Birth Dearth. Her work has been featured in The New Yorker, Slate, The Atlantic, The Wall Street Journal, Fox News, and more.She holds a Ph.D. in economics from Harvard University. The mother of eight children, she is married to American philosopher Michael Pakaluk. They split their time between suburban Maryland and New Hampshire’s White Mountains. 

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