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Oct 13, 2026 37 min

The Evaluation and Measurement One

from The Women Talking About Learning Podcast

You can contact Women Talking About Learning through our website https://womentalkingaboutlearning.com You can buy us a coffee to support Women Talking About Learning via Ko-Fi https://ko-fi.com/wtalpod Or you can email us via [email protected] Measuring learning impact is one of the oldest conversations in L&D and still one of the least resolved. This episode gets into what useful evaluation actually looks like, why so much measurement stops at the wrong point, and what it takes to tell a credible story about what learning achieves. Full episode resources at https://womentalkingaboutlearning.com Guests: Emma Klosson has spent 25 years in learning and development, working both in-house and for learning providers to create solutions for some of the world’s leading brands. Throughout her career she has been focused on proving the impact of learning, and that focus on evaluation is at the heart of her work today. Emma is the founder of Rooftop Recognition, a boutique consultancy helping L&D, HR and edtech teams win industry awards by telling compelling, evidence-backed stories of their success. As a judge for major industry programmes including the Learning Technologies Awards, she knows what makes an entry stand out. https://rooftoprecognition.com https://linkedin.com/in/emmaklosson Heidi Kirby is an L&D strategist, consultant and founder of Useful Stuff. With a PhD in instructional design and technology and a career spanning college English classrooms, NASA and corporate L&D leadership, she specialises in helping organisations design learning that changes people rather than just checks a box. She is the creator of FUSE, a Framework for Useful Learning Evaluation, which integrates evaluation into the design process from the start and includes measures that leaders actually care about. https://getusefulstuff.com https://linkedin.com/in/heidiekirby Thank you for listening.

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