The Farm of Lancaster Co.

Come walk down the winding path. Don't mind the spooks and monsters. They stay hidden within the trees. There are mysteries in this world that you need to know and paranormal truths that need to be told.

Come step up into the Caravan while we share tales of old as well as new accounts about things you thought only existed in your nightmares. Hello and welcome back inside of the Caravan Library of Lore. I'm your host, Vance Nesbitt. Jennifer Anne is off tonight.

She's actually on a black ops mission, top secret, but I might divulge a little bit as to what it is that she's up to later on in the show. Like I said, it's Tuesday and tonight we are being joined by a show friend once again, Lon Strickler over at Phantoms and Monsters. Lon Strickler is an accomplished author and we're going to talk about his latest book that's coming out called the Mothman Dynasty. You can also find Lon as a co host over at Arkane Radio with Sean Forker and Butch Wotowski.

Each one of these individuals brings their own personal experience and expertise to the Arcane Radio show, which you can find their show [email protected] There's been a few things that Lon has put together called the task force, the Phantoms and Monsters Task Force, in which I'm a part of being that I live in the Chicago area here. And it was compiled just to have a little bit more in the field research and a little bit closer relationship to those that may have had an experience regarding whatever this flying humanoid is that has been seen in a flap in the city of Chicago. And being part of that, it seems as though some politics gets involved when this type of thing happens. And it does happen from time to time, being that it's this type of a community where a couple of defectors might run off and take that information and call it their own and then try to publicize it themselves.

At the Caravan Library of Lore, we stay out of politics, whether it be governmental or internal politics. It's just something that we try to stay away from. However, there's a couple of points that I want to bring up with Elan, also about what has been going on. But I want you to stick around and listen to what's been going on in Lancaster county in Pennsylvania.

We called it the Farm, very reminiscent of the Skinwalker Ranch in Utah. If that whole subject of Skinwalker fascinated you, stick around and listen to what's been going on at the Farm from Lon Strickler as well. So thanks a lot for joining us, and thank you all for joining us. I know that, like I just said, we don't do much in politics on this show.

I stay away from it as I just. I stay away from it because everybody's entitled to their own opinion. However, speaking of politics, it does seem that the task force has had its share of politics as of late, especially for some that have taken information and run with it and then not really share the credit with where that information is coming from. Yeah, I was.

You know, I think Tobias is more upset than anybody because, I mean, he's known her, he works with her, and that kind of threw in for a loop device or manual. No, the bias. Yeah, well, I know he was upset, and I know that manual put up a post, too, and. Yeah, you know, rightfully so.

You know, if you don't say something, then it's just. You're just gonna keep getting taken advantage of if you don't say anything. So, you know, I was checking her out for a while, and, you know, when I. I did hear the show, then she was scheduling up for another show, Midnight the Desert with Heather Wade.

And the night before the show, I got hold of Heather and told her what was going on. I don't know if Allison did the show or not, but I haven't heard any recordings about it, so I don't know either. Although I have not looked into it to see if she did actually record. But good for you for being able to get in touch with Heather.

I know that you've been in this circus for a lot longer than I have, and, you know, people like myself and, you know, just take it for what it's worth. People like myself and people like Jennifer, we do look up to you because you have been around the block a few times so that we can get a little bit more reliable information. And so, thankfully, you did have that ability to get in touch with Heather. I do like that show Midnight in the Desert.

And of course, you know, Art Bell, you know, being the one to start this whole really paranormal audio broadcast ball to roll how many years ago. You know, it's just a. I don't know what the right word is to use, but it is a stay in this community. And I think it's all of our responsibility to keep other radio broadcasts in the subject matter and podcasts that are dealing in the subject matter and try to keep each other in line so that, you know, one doesn't trip off and really start, you know, taking a lot of information and, you know, plagiarizing it.

And I don't think that that's fair. But so good for you for being able to contact. Yeah, I just wasn't gonna put up with it because her and I had an issue early. She started getting all her friends, your brother, and some other people into the task force, is adding them on.

And I added her because, you know, she was doing, you know, the videos, and I was giving her the benefit of the doubt. I told her, I said, you know, right. You know, I'm doing this because you haven't taken the effort to do the videos, and I will link them to the map. But I'm putting you in the task force so you can see what's going on and we don't.

But she took advantage of it, and she started adding people, and then I removed them. And I told her, I said, look, this isn't gonna work. I said, you know, I. You know, but, you know, she had to buy it, too, as well.

But I knew Tobias and know we had talked before, so that ain't proud of that. But anyway, I told her. So I said, look, you know, you're not an investigator in this task force. All you're doing is you are making the videos, and I appreciate that you're promoting it.

But, you know. But then she started, you know, when she did some interviews on some radio shows, mostly small shows, but she got on there with Jim Heater and with Sam Aronto, and she started bringing, with Sam that this was all a croc. You know, the whole thing was a croc. Right.

That's when I had to step in. Yeah, well, you know, I. I just will take the whole train and go right back to the very front end of the training. All of this started from witness reports.

So to say that that's a bunch of crack is really. You're not insulting Juan Strickler or myself or anybody else that is trying to research this. Actually doing is you're attacking those that came forward and had the courage come forward and say something about something that they saw. Now, none of them are putting their hand on whatever religious artifact they are to swear that this is what they saw.

They're just coming forth of their own free will. And to attack somebody like that inadvertently is what she's doing, and it's what they're doing by saying, I think this is just a crack. You and I aren't doing this to create any kind of publicity whatsoever. This came across your desk just like it came across my desk.

And I look at it. And I go, wow, this is really interesting. Let's talk about it. And from there, you're going to be accused of, you know, discussing things that aren't true.

We don't know. And I am not. I am not going to be the person, and I don't think you are the person either, or other trusted sources, especially in the task force, that are going to come forth and say, no, this person's full of it because we weren't there. Now, if you were there with that person and they saw something you didn't, well, then you have more of a reason that, you know, say, hey, maybe you're, you know, or you misidentified or, you know, you could be a little bit more of a critic that way, but without being there.

And, you know, just like this one of this last incident that took place where this creature landed on the hood of the car and, you know, Emmanuel said, yeah, there were scratches on the hood of the car. Something happened. Something happened. And I found it rather fascinating to the fact that, you know, the story seemed logical.

It seemed like it could definitely happen. But again, I wasn't there. But, you know, when it comes across my desk and I see it, I'm like, well, this is really interesting. Let's talk about it.

Have you had any, any other reports just within the last day or two? No. No, we haven't got out of Chicago. Nothing.

I mean, that was the last one. And, you know, other than that one or the woman said this thing's been following her all these years, but, you know, other than that, we haven't gotten anything. I think we're probably done for this season. I mean, you know, I think this may be a seasonal thing.

Well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised if it takes back up in spring. Well, you know, this time, you know. Well, that would be really kind of unique, you know. And keep in mind, too, to our listeners, you know, when you say we might be done with it for this year, it's not like it's on a scheduled season, but a lot of people spend a lot more time indoors because it's colder out and they're not out on the riverwalk as much to observe.

It doesn't mean that the activity has declined at all. It just means a lot more people are spending time indoors or in their vehicles where it's warmer and you're not looking up in the skies as much or being in those locations where some of these sightings have taken place. So we kind of, kind of keep that into perspective. As well.

I have certainly done my recent amount of travels through that area several times, and I pulled over and I just observed to see if I saw anything unusual. And of course, you know, you would have been the first one I would have, you know, given the information to had I come across anything interesting. But I saw that you did put up a post about the flashes of light in the skies within the last week and a half, two weeks. And I did a little bit of research.

I didn't find anybody that was tangible to reach out to as a witness to what it was that they saw. But going back to a little bit of research, you know, we had the Lenoid meteor shower in this area during that week. Now, maybe a larger meteor created a flash. You know, who knows?

I mean, let's throw everything on the table, see what the possibilities are. But to find so much association between this flying humanoid entity and flashes of light or orbs or some other aerial phenomena that seems to kind of coincide. Not all the time, but it seems to coincide. Even if the witness saw the humanoid figure, they may have missed, you know, an orb or something earlier.

So, again, let's just put it all into that sphere of possibility. But now I haven't gotten any returns as of late as to what those flashes are and if there was anything connected to it, but I did find that rather interesting, too. Well, you know, we did have the one sighting in the Montrose beach sighting, and that was accompanied by a green orb. Being green very well could have been a meteor, a meteorite going across the sky or.

Right, whatever. But, yeah, these. These flashes of light and. And then the orange orbs down in the southern part of the city or south of the city.

I. I do find that a little interesting because. And of course, there were several that happened when this. We started working on this.

This case. And then over the past week or so, there have been several more sightings in that area and in northern Indiana. So I don't know if there's connection or not. You know, Chicago's got a long history of UFO activity as well.

So, you know, it may be coincidental, but, you know, I'm looking at everything, you know. Oh, I'm looking at everything, too. And here's the funny thing, which you know this as well as I do. We've looked into this for how many years, and yet our book of answers is still empty.

We don't have those answers yet. Even on, you know, the multiple sightings where you have, you know, a thousand people or even 100 people that all saw the Same thing. And you're still coming up with zero answers. You know, look at the six, seven years ago with the UFO that was hovering over the control tower at o'.

Hare. You know, there were a lot of witnesses to that, and yet it just kind of got shut down and said it was a cloud formation or a weather anomaly. I didn't see it, but yeah, I got a feeling there was more to that than, you know, at the end. The FDA and the airport never going to even admit to the.

To be a threat or something like going through a cloud. I don't really buy into that. Yeah, no, I agree with you. I think that there was something to it.

And, you know, the day that that happened and to listen to the reports on television media, they just made a mockery out of it. Yeah. And, you know, the reporters couldn't get through the report without, you know, just kind of making jokes and smiles. And I still see that to this day, even with some of the Bigfoot sightings that have come to the forefront.

And then, you know, it makes its way across the television screen and they say just go ahead and make a complete, total mockery out of it, and it's to be expected. You know, I think that's probably part of the agenda is to, you know, keep downplaying this. You know, you people are losing your mind. This really doesn't exist.

I don't think that there's a playbook in the media room. But when you're subject to downplaying a subject like that for so long, you just kind of fall right into that position when you're trying to report the story that. That whatever, it's a fairy tale. Not necessarily because, you know, they're not exposed to the witnesses like you and myself are.

And to see the reaction, okay, yes, definitely something happened here. And look at this. There's some photographic evidence. So unfortunately.

But yes, I tend to agree with you. I think the FAA probably got involved to shut it down to say that it was a weather event. But I have seen my share of UFOs in this area, and it's only because I do spend more time looking up than I do looking down. And some of it I can explain after a moment or two going, oh, wait, that's just sun reflecting off an airplane that's banking into o'.

Hare. Okay, I'm good with that. But there's been some things I have seen that were clearly under intelligent control that are just not conventional flying aircraft. And, you know, fortunately, this last event that I did experience, I experienced it with one other person.

And the two of us saw it and one got so upset by it that he dialed 911. Six of these things shot due east and four of them shot straight up in the air. But they were in the area for probably all three minutes before they parted way. And for the speed that these things moved at, there's no way that this was in, in the area in which I live in.

This is not a military controlled area whatsoever. There's nothing really sensitive. The only thing that's close by is the Fermilab, which is the Department of Energy, and they have the collider. But you know, for military installation it's not, it is a protected area, but I just don't draw the correlation between the two whatsoever.

But yeah, of course that collider has been shut down now for, for several years, supposedly. You know, so their last experiment there, it's not shut down. I mean, it's still a very active lab. Yeah, three, four times a week.

Right. But they just brought in. Oh geez, four years, five years ago, they just brought in a. And it was a huge process because they brought it in off a barge on the Mississippi river and then they had it trucked over and they could only truck this thing at less than 20 miles an hour.

But it was a gigantic magnet and it was part of the accelerator program. But putting that entire project together is, you know, it's years in the process to do that. So it will still be an active collider. But it wasn't that long ago that they did experiment on, you know, what they called the God Particle project, which is to try to recreate the Big Bang.

And they said that they were successful, but that's about all the information that was subject to the public. But it is still a very active laboratory and who knows what other experiments goes on. Just because they're not, you know, colliding atoms doesn't mean that they're not into, you know, a handful of other things. And I don't want to get into, you know, stranger things either with that Department of Energy.

But you know, it opens up your mind to say, yeah, you know, they're kind of into some strange stuff. You know, it was, it was right outside the south gates Affirmilab, where I had an experience by seeing two school buses pass me and both drivers were identical to each other. And I laughed. You know, I shared this with Shannon Mongrel on into the radio.

And the first driver I saw drive by and I was, you know, driving in the opposite direction. I just Happened to glance and elderly gentleman and he had, you know, those big senior citizen wraparound sunglasses and a ball cap and a blue coat and a gray beard. But his long gray beard, you know, it came down to mid chest, you know, and it was just kind of an unusual looking character to be driving a bus. And right behind him was a car and another bus.

And as the second bus passed, I glanced over and it's the same individual driving that bus. And the first thought I said to myself was, well, that's weird. Twin brothers drive a buses strip. But if I look in the rearview mirror, there was only one bus and it freaked me out.

And I pulled over and I stuck my head out the window. There was only one bus. Even though I visibly saw two, it was, it was the craziest thing. And it was right there at the southern gate.

And I never put the two and two together until Shannon myself talked about it. And she put on a show. She's like, well, I'm wondering if, you know, the lad had some sort of experiment going on. I have no idea.

It was, it shook me though. It really did. It kind of shook me there for a couple of days afterwards I shared with only a couple other people about what I experienced because I knew I wouldn't be mocked for it. But you know, to this day I'm still profound and to this day I still drive through that area and I watch real closely as to what's going on in my surroundings to see if I see anything.

I checked out. But yeah, when he dialed 911 on that UFO experience with a female officer and she came out and you know, she saw standing out by the road and she's like, are you the two to call? And I'm like, well he called, I didn't. But you know, he was, he was clearly shook because we both saw the same thing.

And she's like, you know, son of a gun. This is something that she's been looking to witness herself, you know, for all these years. But you know, she did a brief report and thanked us for at least sharing it with her. So yes, you are correct.

Chicago does have a handful of UFO sightings. And whether that has any link to this fine humanoid, I, I don't know. I can't see that. It wouldn't, it would seem logical to me.

You know, there's just a lot going around there and you know, we don't have the answers now. We've got a few working theories. It's all, it's all gonna be detailed in the book. You know, so, you know, I try to explain as much as I can of what the group was thinking and maybe some of the theory we were putting out there, some of the other anecdotal evidence we were getting as far as with the sightings and trying to put two and two together.

But unfortunately we just really haven't got concrete answers. And the way this thing is kind of weaning off now, which I believe is probably the weather most likely, because like you said, less people are out. And this thing may be sensitive to the weather for whatever reason, but I believe when spring comes, maybe not next year, but maybe a year or two or so, what after this thing's gonna pick up again. And, you know, I think there's something deliberate involved with this.

It just seems like that, you know, it seems like we've got. We've got more than one entity that has been appearing, though they're very close in nature. But there are some differences. It's not a Mothman.

It's, you know, it may be something related and maybe something entirely different. I've always thought that the Mothman, in fact was an extra dimensional type being a summon being of some type. If that's what's going on here, then fine. But I, you know, I really can't pinpoint what's going on.

But, you know, I'm hopeful the book is going to help explain what we were thinking, you know, how we were approaching this and what people thought about it and what may happen in the future. Right. Do you have a tentative release date for the book? Well, we're gonna try to get it out before for Christmas, but I can't be positive about that.

You know, we're working on it. I mean, there's a few things we've got to do with it. It's gonna, the editing has got to be done, right. So that it, you know, it kind of follows the timeline though.

I think I've done as best I can personally as far as doing that. It's gonna, it's gonna be structured a little bit differently than most books. You know, it's not gonna be like a novel or anything. This is gonna be kind of put out there as things happen and as, you know, with other examples of similar type of sightings or at other places or other type of sightings within Chicago area.

So there's gonna be a lot in there. I mean, you know, people are gonna be able to draw some comparisons and for the most part, it's all original stuff. I mean, I do go into some historical aspects to find humanoid phenomena, maybe a few religious theories behind it, although I don't go into that that much. But it's gonna be, you know, I'm trying to make it as tangible as possible.

Right. And open minded people will take a lot from it. Well, I'm sure that they will, especially those that are buying a book. You know, Monsters Among Us by Linda Gottfried is doing her really well.

And that's all that is. It's a collaboration. And I'm sure you're familiar with the book, being that we're all friends. Yeah, it is.

It's a wonderful collaboration of stories and experiences that people have had. It's not written in a novel. It's just here's what happened and this is the information that was given. You can make of it whatever you want to make of it.

But you know, like I said to you earlier, you know, the book itself, just looking at the COVID is going to be able to jump off the shelf and catch people's eyes to say, well, this looks really interesting. I mean, you know, I'm not really writing it to. For anything else other than it being a guide to what has been going on. It's not gonna be laid out like my other books because my other books were, like you said, a conglomeration of sightings, you know, and I did them year by year.

So it's kind of written up as things that I got that year. Well, this is gonna be a little different. Of course it's gonna have all the cases and all the sightings and encounters with this phenomena, but there's gonna be a few other things in there that are original that have been sent to me and tie into a lot of what has been going on and what kind of theories we have been picking up along the way. So, you know, it's gonna be interesting.

I think people are gonna enjoy it. Well, I'm waiting a bit, waiting to get my copy. So I am, I truly am. I love to read.

So yeah, it'll be interesting thing. You know, Juan, I wanted to kind of pull off just a little bit off of this. Being that you're a co host at Arcane Radio, I believe it may have been three or four shows in the past that I listened to. And you and Butch, where you two were talking about the farm out by you and that Butch had gone out to the farm.

Could you kind of give us what the whole story is of what's going on at this farm and some of the experiences that have gone on there? Because I would like some of our Listeners to be able to tie into that and then they can follow up by going over to Arcane radio and listening to it themselves. But yeah, what's going on with the farm? Well, this was a report that Stan Gordon had received from northern Lancaster county, which is near, actually very near Butch.

It's about an hour and a half from me and Stan sent it. Stan called me and let me know about it. Told him that, you know, he told the witness that he gave it to us so we could go and check it out. So anyway, this gentleman was staying at a.

An old farmhouse in an area not far from 11 pen. People know where that's at? It's a north, it's in the northern part of Lancaster county in Susquehanna Valley, Pennsylvania. Well, anyway, this is what he had been reporting was a group of UFO sightings that he had been seeing coming from a group of mountains to the north and flying over to some heights south of him.

So going over the farm itself. And this farm sits in a fairly good sized valley and there are other forms in the valley and some residents, residential areas. So he was concerned about that. And as well, at the same time Butch was taking a lot of reports around his area.

A lot of different UFO activity. There's been a lot of sightings of triangle shaped craft, a lot of orbs being seen. We had taken some photographs or had some photographs of these, the donut shaped type craft that were fairly high up. But when you, when you got some definition to it, you could see it had like, it was shaped like a halo basically.

So it was a lot of different stuff people see anyway, which went over to this location and he met with the witness and they were out there in the back part of the house in the farm where they were actually building a 300 foot long chicken house. It's, it's gonna be part of a new business that's being started where they raise chicks. And when they started grading the land, all this stuff started happening. So this gentleman talked to me, I thought I talked to him for books went out and he told me that he has been witnessing these beings, what he thought were beings that were, had that type of glassing look to him like you know, the predator look where it's, it's, it's cloaked and he's been seeing these things and you know, so I told Butcher Bass, hey, you know, you might want to go out there with this guy and check this out with him now which went out there and he witnessed it himself.

He saw two of these, the so called beans or two of these anomalies, ones on top of the chicken house, and there was another by doorway. So, you know, he had gone out there several times. So eventually, in I guess it was maybe mid February, my son and I drove up there and, you know, we were talking to. Well, by that time, the witness, I knew that he was gone.

The guy who lived in the house, he owned the property. He was still there. And, you know, we talked to him about it. He was really.

I don't really think he was that interested in what's been going on, though he was a nice enough guy to let Butch keep coming on the property, investigating it. So anyway, we talked him for a while. So we went out there. I mean, it was cold too.

It was cold at night, probably at least 20 degrees, if not less. And we were out there freezing. We were out there and we walked around the back and, you know, Butch told me, he said, that's, you know, she had the chicken house, said what had been going on. So he had a.

He had a FLIR device and he was, you know, he was keeping it on that area. And as he had done before, these two anomalies kept showing up in the same place. But it was weird because their temperature, the temperature of these two anomalies was like in the mid-20s Fahrenheit, but the surrounding area was cold, but not as cold as these two anomalies, which was weird to me. You know, he took a temperature reading on the ground, which was probably, I think, I remember, between 40 and 50 degrees.

I would walk in front of him towards the chicken house. He was getting my 65 off of me. And anyway, to my left, there was a huge pile of dirt from when they did the grading. I mean, this thing was just 50 foot high.

It's huge. And to the right of us is a whole farm pond. The area itself has got a lot of springs and such, so this was settling pond. So while standing there, I.

I started picking up sounds in my right side. And they sounded just like drumming sounds and chanting. And, you know, I went back. My son and butcher back were behind me, and I told him about it.

I said, I don't know what. What that was, but that was very unusual. I said, something's going on here. As far as.

I'm not saying it's absolutely indigenous or native American or anything like that, but we need to do some research. So we started doing research in the area. And it's been an area that's been known for native activity, Native people's activity. Well, of course, Pennsylvania Tech, you know, they've had several groups of native people all through the state many, many years, you know, and of course.

But I just had this feeling this thing was more ancient than that. It's really strange, but I just had this feeling. So what I did, I have a friend by name, Delicious. She lives in Sydney, Australia.

Her and I have worked together on cases involving where we use remote viewing. So I asked her if her and her group could possibly do an RV of this, of this location for me. So I gave her, I gave the coordinates as far as psychic coordinates. It's a series of numbers that I give.

It's basically given to her. So they make a pickup on the location. Though I didn't get into location, any of the background or anything that's going on. I wanted to see what you pick up and people that are familiar with mobile or those who are maybe not.

It's, you know, it's, it's a subconscious fact finding endeavor basically. But it does involve some psychic, you know, psychic, psychic abilities. And it does later go into a psychic phase, what I call a psychic phase. And if you're intuitive or you're psychic and you're involved as far as, you know, working the RV in this group, I think had about five people.

In course, everybody does the actual RV at the same time and they're in different parts of, of Australia. I think some of these people were worldwide, but you know, most of them are doing RVs with people at very long range locations. And eventually we take all the information put together and discern what was, what was going on, kind of like a debriefing and you come up with a report of your fines. Well, that's what happened here.

So when the lease gave us the report, it turns out that it definitely indigenous, most likely ancient. I had a sense that this, and I'm not saying it was a burial ground, but I think it was an area because I had done personal RV on the location and she confirmed it, that it was some type of, possibly a ceremonial or from the information that we discerned from some of the research, it could have been a cremation site for warriors. Now the cesspool hack Indians though there's not a whole lot of information available about them, but they were known to cremate the remains of certain warriors or leaders. And, and I think it probably goes back further than that, but that's where we are.

And basically we feel that these, these two entities that are at the location are basically sentries or guardians of some type of. But they remain. They have moved around a bit, but they still remain there. The pile of dirt, I believe, possibly contains some of the remains.

Because Butcher said he saw only anomalies on the dirt pile recently. He still goes out there. So as far as the UFO activity, there's something connected there that she got a sense and her. Some other team got a sense that something was looking down on this location.

Now, another aspect of this case is I was supposed to go. My son and I were supposed to go over there the Saturday before the Sunday that we went. And for whatever reason, I was received a message to not go there. Now, I don't know.

I mean, you know, I am somewhat. I am intuitive. I mean, I've been. And I know that I've been intuitive since I've been 8 years old, and I do pick up a few things.

But I, you know, we first go there Saturday. I called Butcher, said, you know, the night before, I said, look, I'm not coming over there. I'm being told not to move there. Well, that Saturday, a major storm hit.

And I mean, there were like, there were tornado activity in the area and hit this valley where this farm was. But the strange thing about it was there was a lot of damage around the farm in other farms and other residents, like trees are pulled up, silos were dumped there, some trucks were flipped over, but this form sustained no damage. And in fact, there was a pile of leaves behind this house that was. Has been there for ever since the fall before.

And it didn't even move at all. It's just like this. This whole area was protected from the storm. It went around it on both sides, which was really strange.

A protective dome, something like that. You know, the way it was told to me by the lease is that there was some type of protection from above, almost like there was opening from above that was watching down on this location. So a couple of weeks after that, maybe a month or so after that, the guy lives at the house. He's got dogs.

So he had the dogs out. They were walking around the pond. And when he was coming back, he started hearing his drumming and chanting himself. Wow.

You know, and I told Butch about it. He butchered me, because Butch, I told him, when I heard, he said, well, you know, Lon was standing out there, and the palm was to his right, and from his right side he was hearing his drumming and this chanting. So there's something going on there. Now, Butch has been in and out there a couple times, and in fact, there's another location not far from there where there's some similar activity going on.

We don't really check that out yet. We're just waiting for some, you know, the ability to get in there. But, you know, I don't know what is going on there, but there's definitely some psychological something that's spiritual but connected to some of the activity that's being seen above it. And, you know, there's, you know, has there been any, any Native culture left in that area, you know, ancestors or anything of, you know, first nations people that might still be in the area that have extended any kind of warning that, you know, now we stay out of that area or.

Yeah, I, I, we looked into that, and there's nothing. Okay. The last native people who lived in that area were moved out maybe in the early 1700s. You know, it's an area that has had a lot of different tribes inhabit.

The Susquehannock, the Susquehannock were originally there, then the Lenno Lenape or the Delaware Indians were there, then the Shawnee and then the Nanakuk, and nothing's there now. So, you know, there's the only thing there is whatever energy has been left there. Right. I only asked that question, you know, because, and I'm sure I'm not the first one to draw correlation similarities between that activity and what happened at Skinwalker.

Although at Skinwalker, you know, the tribal lore is, no, you, we don't even, you stay out of that area. It doesn't offer any information as to what it is, but they know you stay out of that area. But I find it rather interesting that the same effect happened when you start disturbing the earth, this activity starts to come up in a bound. And, you know, there were a lot of witness sightings to things that were just unexplainable.

And I know that there's been other locations throughout, you know, the continental US plus worldwide. But at least in continental US where it seems like the same type of activity, you disturb the ground and you just, you're kind of like, antagonizing whatever it is that's keeping an eye over that ground. So you have to find out what the history is. This is what actually transpired at that ground, however many thousands of years ago.

Who knows? But, well, you know, we find a lot of things like this out in the Four Corners area and into New Mexico. And, you know, any areas that were indigenous and, you know, still have reservations for the Navajo and Apache, Hopi, and of course, Northern Air and Utah get the Utes. So, you know, there's, you know, the Pueblo Peoples Basically Yanasasi.

You know, it's a lot of. There are a lot of locations that are well known to the people through their history, through their lore that, you know, you don't mess with. And there's a lot of strange stuff, just like Chocolate's Canyon. I mean, you know, you hear about people that go out there and just experience all kinds of weird stuff.

Not only UFO activity but spirit activity, see unknown type of beings, a lot of crazy stuff. Right. You know, when you talk to the, when you talk to the people. I've been familiar with many my investigations in that area with J.C.

johnson and recording his investigations and others in the connection they have with the Navajo community. It's not easy to get information from the, from the tribe or especially older members of the tribe. But you know, there are some hints of things you do get some of the, some of the anomalies they do describe. Of course it's all mixed in with their lore and their history.

And of course, you know that it falls into the occult as well with the witches and the skinwalkers and it's, you know, it's all tied in and it seems like all these tribes in that area, well, I mean it's a four state area. You know, they all seem to be very similar in scope to what has been going on or what people describe. And yeah, but the skinwalker ranch, that's an area that you do not even go near. They.

It's been known for centuries that that is not an area that passed through. And the fact that some of the anomalies and some of the activity that has been seen there, though it's been much less over recent years, it's just unexplained. Doesn't that make sense? It makes perfect sense to me that the activity is kind of dropped because those that pulled out of there.

Yeah. You know, and okay, once you're out of there, I think things just kind of tend to settle down a little bit until there's a little bit more raping of the land or whatever and it might ramp up again. And if you're messing with something that you don't know what you're messing with, I, I would strongly suggest you don't do that. You have no idea what you're messing with.

So a lot of stories about a lot of places in New Mexico in that area where people are going into it, things that start happening and yeah, you're right. I mean, there just seem to be certain areas. And of course that includes skinwalker and where, you know, people go into these areas, not respecting the energy around them. And they're gonna see things and experience things that they just don't understand.

So. Right. I think that's a lot of good. You know, along the same thing with that, having, you know, conversation with Linda Godfrey.

And of course, she's not too far from me. She's. Well, okay, she's not that far from me. But in the area in which he talks about and where she lives, There was a.

An air force base that was going to be put in years ago. And now there's been an anomaly seen in and around that area. And this includes Prairie Road, but Also, you know, 12 miles east of there, there's been a lot of witnesses, anomalies, cryptid beans, you know, the upright canid, Bigfoot sightings. And when this area was being manipulated to become an air force base, they had done a lot of underground tunneling, obviously, because a lot of bases gonna be underground.

And when they were going to start pouring for the runways, the whole project got shut down. They completely got shut down. They plugged up all the tunnels. And it was just speculated through, you know, one person saying something to somebody else, and kind of the word gets out is that no, the what's in the underground is not to be out.

Just close the whole project up altogether. And I think these locations exist everywhere, which just until you start destroying the land around it, is when you really find out what you're messing with. And so. And you know, it's right in my backyard too.

I've been up there several times, but, you know, I never tried to access anything because Linda was actually the one to let me know what the history was behind that. And I'm kind of glad she told me that after I was there. I mean, that one at all. And I run into, you know, an upright dog, man or walking canine or whatever.

That's. No, we run into the same thing around here. I mean, Pennsylvania itself is kind of long history of weird activity. And the government and military have used a lot of different locations, Especially during the World War II.

I mean, a lot of different locations for industry and for secret research and such. And it seems that these areas to this day still still seem to have the residual from being disturbed or things going on there. And you know, especially with the more recent activity in central Pennsylvania with this upright canine activity, you know, it's not as much as it was not near what was going on. For about a year and a half, though, we were getting a lot of reports in the area what we designated as a Lichen Loop, which extends from Clearfield county, the area of north of Clearfield county down southeast into southern York county and southern Lancaster County.

And I mean, it's a wide area, but it seems that the majority of these reports and other reports in the past kind of fall in that area. You know, so it's, you know, why it happened and, you know, the reason behind it. You know, we're not quite sure, but it was quite interesting to be getting these reports in that group, like maybe not unlike what's going on in Chicago. I mean, you know, it seems that, you know, it was unusual to get a group of reports like that in Pennsylvania with these upright canines.

And then maybe a year and a half later, we're getting a group of sightings in Chicago. I mean, what's next? I mean, right. Is this going to just go be a trend to where, you know, a certain area becomes hot for whatever reason and all this unexplained activity starts picking up?

I mean, that's something. And that's something I'm really aware of and others are aware of. And, you know, why we're keeping our ear to the rail and trying to get an idea. Very true.

You know, what's the, you know, like you said, with the recent sightings in Chicago, and of course, you know, the longer we dwell on it, we come up with some, you know, good ideas of what the possibility could be. And there has been a lot of. And it's kind of ties back into the farm and skinwalker thing, but there has been a lot of tearing up of open land along the lakefront, still within the city of Chicago, but it was designated as Park District property. And then the Lupus Museum was supposed to go in there.

And of course, Chicago lost the bid for that. But, you know, the big equipment has still gone into that area because the park district wants to develop that area. And then all of a sudden, now we get a lot of this flying humanoid activity. Could that all be tied into.

Again, you disturb the land and you're kind of releasing some kind of entity or energy or who knows what, you know. But again, it's just another rabbit hole that we could go down to try to explore it. But are we going to come out with an answer? Who knows, until you actually go down that rabbit hole.

But, you know, I find it interesting, kind of similar to what I think I sent to you. You know, it's like you open your door in the summertime and a fly comes in. Well, it only came in because you let it in unbeknownst to you, you let it in and then, you know, whether it's in a panic mode to get out or get back to its familiarity or it's just angry, who knows? I'm not a fly, nor do I want to be a fly, but it's certainly not the most pleasant of creatures to come into your house.

There's a lot worse. I suppose another thing as well that I believe may actually be tied into this, that, you know, the activity of similar type beings just hasn't been concentrated. I mean, I've gotten. I have gotten a couple reports from Pasco County, Florida of a similar being has been killing deer.

And it's been seen. I mean, along this highway. This. This being kills these deer and stacks them up and like guarding over it while people are going by.

And this happens late at night. They've seen this thing. I got two reports now and I've got people looking at it. I got a similar report down in near Austin, Texas of another being that the red eyes and whole shamili.

Just like what's going on in Chicago. Up in Milwaukee, there have been some sightings of a similar being, though I don't have the detail as a report to another researcher, but he mentioned to me. So I mean, this isn't something that is just going on Chicago. I mean, this is going on all around, but people are noticing it and they're reporting it.

And, you know, we've been getting. I've been getting a lot of strange stories. I mean, the pterodactyl, pterosaur activity, something similar to what you described, that gentleman you had on your show. You know, that's been going on for a while around Chicago.

So, you know, and of course, there's other areas where it's been going on as well. Right? No, I. Again, that's why we do this line.

We're just looking for an answer. And, you know, even if we get just a crumb of an answer, that's, you know, that's an accomplishment and that's all that we're doing behind the microphone here and putting the word out there. But it's. It's fascinating.

I love this whole subject thing. Whether I find the answer or not, I'm just. It's a part of me and I know it's a part of you. It's been a part of you for many, many years.

And glad that we're smart enough to know that there's something going on and it's worth looking into. Mothman dynasty, Chicago's winged humanoids. We'll be posting that on the Caravan of War when that book gets released. And, of course, I'm sure you will, too.

Long see the book's available. Buy your copy now. Everybody's gonna know about it. Believe me, I'm gonna.

Well, we'll certainly let everybody know about it. Jennifer Anne was unavailable to join us this evening. She's in the process of moving from one location to another temporarily while they put her residence under construction. So she was unavailable to join us.

But I know that she gives her best to you. She's a fan also, just like myself, of phantoms and monsters and arcane radio. And best wishes to Sean and Butch, because I think the three of you guys do a fantastic job, even though with the bumpy roads, because we've had our bumpy roads too, by, you know, putting the show together. But once the show does get put together, it's a very enjoyable listen.

And, of course, we'll just keep promoting that as well. Well, we may be having some changes coming down the road, too. Exciting changes. So, yeah, you know, there's gonna be something going on.

Is going on. It's in the. It's in the ether. But we're trying to expand the show a bit.

I'll just keep that ball rolling and, of course, keep us posted and we'll keep everybody else posted, too. But I appreciate it. Thanks a lot. I greatly appreciate you joining us on the caravan tonight because some of this whole farm thing, that's crazy.

It really is crazy. And here it is right in your own backyard. So. And, you know, the Mothman thing or Owl man or flying humanoid, whatever it is.

I had a dream the other night. I think it was two nights ago. One of those realistic dreams where. Yeah.

And I was looking out a window of a building. I was in downtown Chicago, and I'm looking in the river and I see something swimming in the river. And it crawls out and it's pulling itself up along the building by the sidewalk. And it turns around and looks at me.

It's this flying humanoid thing. It was the craziest thing, and that was it. I immediately woke up and I'm sweating. I'm like, okay, I need to maybe pack off of it.

Yeah, you've been reading too much. Now it's coming after me in my brain. So you gotta be careful. But again, thanks, Lon.

I greatly appreciate it. No problem. Anytime. We will talk soon.

Thanks, Juan. Bye. Bye, Sam.